Thread 718286572

hes right about random crits

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Remove random crits
From TF2

>>718286728
Why
You HAVE your servers without them, people who like them can play in servers with them, everyone who isn't a pissy spiteful bitch has what they want

>>718286572 (OP)
I have a right to random crits

boring sweaty compfaggot gets one shot by a f2p and complains you people abstract fun out of every game out of your pathetic whining because you people don't know what that is in your miserable lives.

so? what does it matter?
valve wont update the game so who cares

>>718286829
Because nobody wants to play them.
Because the tard in the OP quite literally has a career because he knows a Mario Plushie show guy, and iDubbbz
Yes, that iDubbbz.

>>718286572 (OP)
He is a retarded leftoid and a tranny lover, his opinion is worthless

It's 2025 and shitters are still crying about random crits?!

>>718287698
You don't understand it's hypothetically stealing kills from him in a game he doesn't even like.

>>718287769
Praying is a stealth kill? ok got it, SATAN

>>718286572 (OP)
I will post it again:
complaining about random crits is confessing that your ego cant handle dying in a fucking team objective game with infinite respawns. the assertion that they MUST be removed is the same as the assertion that the sniper's SMG MUST do 5 more damage than it does, or the demo's run speed MUST be 5% faster than it is, otherwise the game is UNFUCKINGPLAYABLE. its such a tiny nothing issue that amounts to a negligible balance complaint and the fact is the people who complain about random crits are the same weird kids who spike their controllers when they lose at smash brothers.

>>718286572 (OP)
Reminder that this faggot is in iDubbbz and his BPD wife's "podcast".

>>718290068
he's playing the long game
he's gonna snake idubbbz and take anisa after the inevitable divorce

>>718286572 (OP)
Grunkle Dane is a hardcore far-left shitlib, his opinions are worthless.

>>718290174
God please let it happen, it'd be so funny.

Reminder

>>718286847
He has a right to idubbbz' wife

>>718290174
you know when you think about it, Idubbbz should change his name since it was based on his old initials, (i.w.) now that he's taken his wife's last name in marriage
he really ought to be Ijizzzz now

Just play Overwatch

>>718289610
its a pretty simple formula. It doesnt feel good to get a random crit cause you didnt play well to get it, and it feels bad to die by one because your opponent didn't do anything to.

it being a "small issue" doesnt matter, especially cause its not small, it happens multiple times per match

He didn't start playing until well after TF2's golden age, and I'm sorry but that disqualifies you from having anything meaningful to say about what makes TF2 good or bad

Critical hits add a spice of much-needed randomness to tf2 to keep it from getting stale. It means you generally need to stay on your toes, and can't ever be 'completely sure' of your odds in any given situation. TF2 is generally a very chaotic and funny game, with a light, comedic tone and style, and the added randomness and intentional unfairness of random critical hits fits that. It makes fights less predictable, gives lighter classes a better chance in melee combat, and, of course, lets F2Ps score a kill against a 4000+ hour golden pan sweatlord with a lucky crocket in right place at the right time. Oh, and reflecting a crocket then schadenfreuding afterwards is a cathartic sensation no other game can really deliver. If you don't like randomness and chaos then TF2 probably isn't the game for you and you should play something else.

>>718286572 (OP)
Anyone else notice his "live" commentaries involve him mimicking OneyPlays style of humor?

>>718291995
Dane just doesn't get this. In his crit video, he breaks down an interaction between Demo and Soldier like a fucking spreadsheet.

>>718290512
Man I started playing tf2 a month after release and I still wouldn't call myself a veteran because it was on the ps3 orange box before getting a graphics card like 2 years later. I cant fathom the sheer ego required to think arriving five years late to the party is veterancy and makes you an authority on the game.

>>718292457
...and uses pokemon as a format that has random crits and noone in comp pokemon complains about random crits there

Let it go, retards.

>>718286572 (OP)
Nah keep the random crits. They're bullshit but it's also really funny when you kill someone with a crit bison or something so they should stay.

>>718293238
>only 600 hours
cute

>kills TF2 with his dogshit takes
>kills Deadlock with the leaks
What's his endgame?

random crits break stalements and give newer players a chance against long time players
simple as

>>718286572 (OP)
>trannydane
Opinion discarded.

yeah random volatility can make pvp more fun sometimes but "sometimes one guy just instantly wins the fight for no reason" isn't it, at least not in a game like TF2 where that often decides a protracted game

>>718290174
>he's playing the long game

>>718286572 (OP)
you don't have to like uncle dane as a person or a player or like his videos to recognize that his arguments for removing random crits have basically never been countered in any meaningful way
the strongest argument against removing them has always been "why does it matter? they don't happen often enough to effect the bigger picture so why bother?" but if you're going to appeal to triviality like that you're also admitting it doesn't matter if they do ever get removed, and clearly one side cares a lot more about playing with their preference than the other, so it's a no brainer
any other argument is shit like "it gives new players a chance" which sounds reasonable before you think about it for longer than 2 seconds. But this is /v/ where people believe sniper is overpowered because they can't figure out how to not walk in a straight line so i guess that's a lot to ask

>>718294068
They're fun.

>>718286572 (OP)
Random crits? More like random NIGGERS amirite?
>>718290068
Jesus

>>718290512
TF2 should have been an esport. It's basically boomer overwatch.

>>718286572 (OP)
Random crits happen in real life.

>>718294068
>word salad
Kill yourself

>>718294106
I disagree. They're not fun to get because any kills feel unearned, they're not fun to be on the receiving end of because being nuked in a way you couldn't predict isn't engaging gameplay. Either way it's the game tilting the playing board which lessens the impact of your input as a player. Luckily, they're uncommon so this random interference by the game doesn't apply to every fight.
...But that loops back to the only valid argument being "this doesn't happen enough to overall effect the whole gameplay experience." Which means removing them wouldn't be taking away something integral, just as much as their continued presence isn't dealbreaking.
>>718294529
I don't know man. If you had trouble comprehending anything I said I think you might actually just be retarded. Or maybe you just see more than 4 words and your little primate brain gives up immediately

>>718294815
>not fun to get because any kills feel unearned
That's quite literally what makes them fun. It's fucking hilarious to yoink a kill you didn't deserve and imagine the guy on the other end stewing in rage.

>>718294068
They were countered immediately because his argument is shit
>TAKE THE GAME MORE SERIOUSLY
no

>>718294068
It literally comes down to
>I think they're funny
The entire argument turns into 2 retards fighting over who's definition of fun is more valid

>>718294914
>>718295126
If that were true than we'd be seeing a lot more players downloading things like speedhacks and aimbots and wallhacks etc etc etc. I won't say there ISN'T an audience of people that find it fun to play the game in a way that is undeserved, while reveling in the dissatisfaction of the enemy gamers, but considering it's only a small portion of the playerbase that go out of their way to play the game like that, a mechanic designed to appeal to that sensibility is mostly out of place.
>>718294946
>TAKE THE GAME MORE SERIOUSLY
Nobody's asking you to do that, so problem solved. Again, this is an appeal to triviality, which goes both ways. If you don't want to take the game seriously, you don't have to take part in discussions about the game's design and what they could change and keep. Random crits or not, it shouldn't matter to you, because you don't take this game seriously, do you?

>>718293402
>still gets timeloop threads 9 years later
how does he do it

No random crits people are the same joyless type that turn off items in smash bros, right?

Crit ramp up is a good thing, actually

>>718295245
>a mechanic designed to appeal to that sensibility is mostly out of place
Good thing it doesn't considering I've never felt the need to cheat in videogames.

>>718294106
>>718295126
You can think they're fun, and thats fine, but thats not an argument. You could add a mechanic in any game, where every bullet has a 1% chance to kill you and people would be arguing its fun too. Not the guy your responding too, but I just think its bad game design, doesnt mean its not funny sometimes.

>>718286829
because it costs him a lot of money to keep bots running to try sabotage normal servers and push them to his "bot free no crits" grooming servers

>>718291024
>it doesn't feel good to get a random crit
yeah it feels GREAT to get that random crit and see 3 people die at once

>>718294068
hes never made a meaningful argument to remove them in the first place

>>718295757
I fully believe this with no evidence needed, other than his friendship with idubbbz

>>718295521
That's my point, yeah. If it were commonly understood that people have fun in videogames by getting incredibly unfair advantages which screw over other players completely, and imagining those players seething in rage from getting screwed over, we'd probably see a lot of people feel the need to cheat. But that doesn't happen, for the most part. A vast majority of people derive satisfaction in getting results in the game directly tied to their input, and the reaction of their enemies doesn't mean a whole lot. That isn't to say there's NO enjoyment in making other people seethe; trashtalking is a tradition for a reason; but I think most people want skills to back up their trashtalk, not luck.

>>718294068
crits are a core part of the game and its balance, to the point that many weapons have critting disabled as part of their balancing
its like trying to autistically claim that projectile speed is a bad mechanic so everything, even soldier's rockets should be hitscan, its retarded and goes against the game's design

>>718295990
I mean it's the only rational explanation you could come to.

>>718286572 (OP)
>remove ra- *crocket appears*
>AIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
>CRITICAL HIT!!!
>>718294068
It keeps engagements from getting stale and too predictable. Crits incentivize the usage of melee weapons due to their higher crit rate, leading to more varied combat encounters.

Crits in a shooter are toddler shit and this board only defends them out of spiteful contrarianism

>>718293606
They reinforce stalemates because of crit ramp and not affecting buildings
Attackers are more likely to be bunched up and take more damage feeding the defenders' crit ramps

>>718293606
Oh and for every random crit that newbies actually hit they also get smashed with 4
They have worse aim, the enemy has better aim and the crit ramp shits on them

>>718294068
The only random crits that should be removed are for Sniper's melees.

>>718296294
You crit trannies didn't even watch the video
He literally addresses this
Name one weapon where no random crits actually balances the weapons to the point where they're measurably stronger in a no crit scenario

>>718292457
>In his crit video, he breaks down an interaction between Demo and Soldier like a fucking spreadsheet.
This is an issue with most chucklefucks who think they know game balance, they do not acknowledge human players and base their decision on dry ideal scenarios where everyone acts like a bot.

>>718293139
>No one in Pokémon complains about crits going through defensive boosts
>No one in Pokémon complains about random secondary effects like stat drops and statuses
>No one in Pokémon complains about misses

>>718286572 (OP)
>urmm no, if we pause here in this footage i recorded on a random 24/7 pub server and analyze here you can see, uhhh, the soldier shoots me randomly down a hallway with a crit then i go respawn and continue playing the game, taking all this data uhhh *pushes up glasses* into consideration according to my calculations;
>i didn't like that, mommy had to change my diaper when that happened, so crits are clearly, uuerrmm, bad game design

what an absolute fucking loser

>>718299339
Smogonfags are not human

Yay more random shit.

incel dane groomed me

Random crits are fine. TF2 is not meant to be a serious or competitive shooter.
Go fuck yourself if you are retarded enough to advocate against random crits.
Just go play in your shitty containment community servers.

>>718292663
i started playing on pc a day after release and im mid at best

why do you guys call dane a groomer? i cant find fucking anything on it.

Uncle Dane is just a youtuber pointing out he obvious. Random crits were rightfully hated since the beginning and was adjusted because the rates were just ridiculous.

>predditor comptroons parroting youtuber opinions
The real midwits

i like playing mvm!