Thread 718295193

>https://gameinformer.com/exclusive-interview/2025/08/15/what-makes-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-a-bloodlines-game
>The game still has factions to manage, choices to make, and rules to abide by, even if this sequel seems to be more linear than its predecessor
first game was linear as fuck was it not?

I just hope it turns out to be fun

>>718295193 (OP)
First game has a focus on sidequests, the linear (until you decide who to side with) main plot is used as excuse to send you to the places with all the cool side content. This new game seems more like an action adventure with big focus on the main plot and combat while sidequests being filler fetchquest garbage.

>>718296509
There hasn't been a single fetch quest shown or mentioned... And most quests in vtmb were glorified fetch quests

Outer Worlds 2 and vtmb 2 in a month and a half, boyos! We eating good.

Nothing.

This game will, for me, live and die by the tone. Atmosphere. Vibe. Whatever you want to call it. I want those seedy bars and clubs, the "fat larry"s, the Smiling Jacks and the Jeannettes. Barely dressed hookers, gangsters, junkies and other low life on every corner. Dudes in leather jackets wearing sunglasses at night, a smoke hanging off the lip. The kind of characters that seem like they would kill you, fuck you or drain you at any moment in equal odds. If the game doesn't hit that edgy goth tone it might as well not exist for me.

>>718295193 (OP)
>first game was linear as fuck was it not?
it's a hub based game. you get main plot quests and side quests you can do in no particular order.

The premise with the MC having a voice in their head makes me a little cautious.

>>718296927
>Barely dressed hookers
you'll get ugly clothed niggers instead, sorry

>>718296643
They haven't shown much at all, we can only guess by what they did, which were mostly linear action setpieces.

i still can't believe this game has shills here

More than half of the attributes in the original vtmb were fucking worthless. The best parts of the game were the immersive sim parts... Which this sequel seems to be focusing on. What's with all the bitching.

>>718297950
Least obvous shill. The "old game was shit actually" tactic never worked.

>>718298136
>"old game was shit actually"
No one said this.>>718298136

>>718297071
it doesn't

I'm really wanting this to subvert all expectations and actually be good. The lack of info either means they've been cooking up something good and know it or (more likely) the game is in a dogshit state and they're embarrassed to show us.

>>718298384
People have played the game and they have shown gameplay in their blog posts

>>718298446
Mmm? I only know about the gameplay they showcased last year, which didn't show a whole lot. Gonna have to check into more recent stuff they've put out

>>718296724
OW2 will be kino VTMB will be a mess

>>718298729
Both are gonna be shit and you know it

>>718295193 (OP)
>Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 is a sequel to a game from over 20 years ago, and as a result, the two RPGs don't look similar. The art is modernized, and between the combat overhaul, the more linear approach to storytelling, and a completely new developer, it does raise a big question: why call it Bloodlines 2? After all, if the new game is so different from the original, why tie it to that game instead of calling it something new?

>When I ask creative director Alex Skidmore why the game is called Bloodlines 2 instead of something else, he thinks for a while, then starts his answer by saying, "It's what we were asked to do." It's an honest response.

lol paradox

>>718298729
>VTMB will be a mess
just like the first one, love that

>>718298729
>>718298816
Kurwa.

>>718298826
>honest response
if he was really honest he'd have said "because the game wouldn't sell"

>>718298826
Yeah they never wanted to make this a true sequel, it was obvous from the start that these self indulgent assmunchers "know better" than rpg veterans on how to make a good game.

>>718298826
Paradox has already given up on the entire World of Darkness property. They even invoked "god willing" when talking about Bloodlines 2's success.

>>718298826
>>718298906
So it really isn't a "bloodlines" games at all but a chinese room vtm game then

>>718298826
as if anyone doubted this. remember, tcr inherited this project from hardsuit labs. it's not THEIR game.

>>718298895
No, bobr

>>718295193 (OP)
>first game was linear as fuck was it not?
Yes, it was extrenely linear with a bunch of active sidequests at the time
Journalists being retarded and clueless as usual

>>718299047
hsl's game sucked so its whatever

>>718298994
>So it really isn't a "bloodlines" games at all
Why?

>>718299047
It kinda is since they apparently scrapped most of what hardsuit had done

>>718298994
>So it really isn't a "bloodlines" games at all but a chinese room vtm game then
Which would have been fine if the game was called and advertised as something else. But you know as well as I do, like all other sequels that fail horrendously, that their only merit is that they're developing a successor to an already established, successful game.

>>718295193 (OP)
>first game was linear as fuck was it not?
/v/ thinks the original game had dozens of dialogue choices and viable pacifist route (when 20 minutes in you are forced to kill an asian vampire in a sidequest). /v/ is no better than gaming journalists and I bet any poser secondary who acts smug towards Bloodlines 2 but likely never played the original has no issue with Bethesda Fallouts

>>718299215
What do you think a Bloodlines game is?
>But you know as well as I do
That you fags are poser bandwagoners

>>718297950
No, they clearly want to make vampire cyberspunk or some dogshit dishonored clone.

>>718299241
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/716718287/#716722067
No, my issue is that the developers are using the worst shills of all time.
>>718299285
Kill yourself.

I can't believe Wesp was right again!

>>718297950
not more than half, but haggle and intimidate were useless, yes

>>718299321
Ok retarded poser who never played vtmb

>>718299321
>Le niggers!!!!
You cancerous /pol/faggots need to fuck off

>>718299241
>/v/ thinks the original game had dozens of dialogue choices and viable pacifist route
It literally does you dishonest shill. But for the sidequests which are easily 80% of the game. Example the guy you find in the downtown hospital. You can make him forget what he saw with disciplines, convince him to leave town via dialogue or send him down as food for pisha. Or just murder him in his apartment. Also you can just drive him mad as malk as a meme option. Fuck you lying piece of human waste.

>>718297950
>What's with all the bitching.
Posers and outrage drama addicts
They think this is the next TORtanic

>>718299435
The nigger in question was touted as the Jeanette equivalent.
Anyways, no. You go and stay go yourself.
>hurf durf anything i dont like is le /pol/

>>718299512
>The nigger in question was touted as the Jeanette equivalent.
No she wasn't, you lying bitch.

>>718299472
Why do we even call it TORtanic anyway?
TOR didn't sink, it went on to make fucking brazillions of money and everyone forgot they hated it at first.

>>718299364
Seduction is effectively useless too, since persuasion is so much better. Stupid how the game has three social skills but one is obviously the best. And increasing scholarship for it also gives you free research so it's even better.

>>718299512
No, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>718299452
cool, now what about the gangrel serial killer :)

>>718299537
>>718299583
(You)

>>718297950
>More than half of the attributes in the original vtmb were fucking worthless.
Objectively false.
>The best parts of the game were the immersive sim parts
Too bad there weren't any "immersive sim parts".

>>718299623
>Jeanette equivalent
>literally just owns a club
You're retarded and so is the shill.

>>718299452
>It literally does
No it doesn't
>But for the sidequests which are easily 80% of the game.
Nope
>Example the guy you find in the downtown hospital.
Cherrypicked, then the game forces you into combat sections, fetch quests, and basic dialogue options that amount to choosing who to kill at the end of the questline, completely sidestepping the attribute system in dialogues and leaving clan related dialogues as flavour or to skip some.
It even has several dialogue options to be pacifist or not eliminate target that go nowhere.
Dialogue remains completely not influential then. Nobody cares if you leave the werewolf alive or kill him from breaking the masquerade in the end because you still have to engage with the scrapyard boss fight.

>>718299623
boy do i have a bridge for you

>>718299609
You can talk him down and convince him to stop, let him stay vampire batman or fight him.

>>718299763
>LET GO
or
>LET GO
or
>FIGHT
lmao

>>718299763
>You can talk him down and convince him to stop
No, you can talk after you win and not finish him off
Same for any questline

Vtmb is in a similar place for me as the Silent Hill franchise; i absolutely love everything about it, but i don't think ive ever had fun actually playing it.

>>718299731
I can pick a ton more cherries for an entire basket. VV and the screenwriter, patty the ghoul, venus and the russian mob boss. I'm not going to argue with someone who is arguing in bad faith, subhuman marketer scum.

>>718299731
>Nobody cares if you leave the werewolf alive or kill him from breaking the masquerade in the end because you still have to engage with the scrapyard boss fight.

What the fuck are you even saying?

>>718299949
>VV and the screenwriter
KILL or LET GO
>patty the ghoul
KILL or LET GO
>venus and the russian mob boss
KILL ONE, LET GO THE OTHER
wow such variable quests
you can't even kill venus after killing boris for the sole ownership by the way

>>718299968
He thinks that because the whole scene isn't drastically different, the choices in it don't actually matter.

>>718300092
Nothing in his sentence makes any sense though. It's an A.I. attempting to post about the game and not being able to understand what's happening in it.

>>718299549
>seduction
>useless
Vampcel detected.

>>718300159
>It's an A.I.

It's LIKE an A.I.

>>718300092
If the amount of choice the player is given through dialogue in each quest is deciding wheter or not to kill or let live some NPC that will never show up in the story ever agin, then the dialogue is no more branching and gameplay influential than it is in Fallout 4, so absolutely not an RPG

Like it or not, the original VTMB was an Action RPG

Pic related, is an example, a side quest that you can skip in a bunch of ways, but where the meat of the gameplay is using the combat skills to solve a quest entirely about combat.

>>718300161
Eh i mean Seduction is acrually useless, not enough uses for it to be worth it.
Intimidation is better, but even then most of your dialogue options are just outright worse than the Persuasion ones.

>>718299364
Haggle saves money. You'd be surprised how useful that is for certain builds.

Intimidate is great. GTFO of here with that.

ONLY Inspection is literally useless.

>>718300278
>a combat section requires combat

NO FUCKING SHIT, RETARD.

>>718296724
I never finished Outer Worlds. Should I have?

>>718300356
No
It's just worse Borderlands.

>>718299731
>No it doesn't
Have you actually seen the dialogue branches in the dialogue editor? It's absolutely fucking insane how many choices this game has.

>>718300306
you can still end the game with thousands of dollars without haggle especially if you do venus' route

intimidate is useless, most of the intimidate checks lead to combat (santa monica beachhouse, chinatown spa locker room) or are downright useless (extorting more money from doctor malcolm)

inspection is useless after your first playthrough yes, i like the final nights solution to make the items invisible unless you have enough inspection

>>718300356
lmao nope
Obsidian really shit that bed with it

>>718300392
K, reinstalling. Probably have to start a new run since I don't remember anything from the game.

Don't know much abput 5th Edition lore, so Gehena was just a scam?

>>718300548
after the retcon they realized it was a self fulfilling prophecy, that the gehenna craze was the real apocalypse

>>718300351
Vtmb is choke full of combat sections
Most questlines and sidequests involve combat, which sometimes (but not always) you can approach with stealth and stealthkill
It's no grand ultra varied RPG.
You have to engage in combat and kill Chastity or the Cathayan with near no variation on how quests like this play out
You accidentally frenzy and suck dry the specialist you decided to save? It literally doesn't matter as he told you what you needed, and you would fail the quest and restart the checkpoint to the previous BOSS FIGHT otherwise.
It's a linear, cinematic ARPG with character building where you can make some choices that largely only affect your characterization

>>718300657
>It's a linear, cinematic ARPG with character building where you can make some choices that largely only affect your characterization
I love you /v/, never change

>>718300657
This is a fair assessment actually

what i will always appreciate about troika devs is that how your dialogue changes in their games (fallout, arcanum...)

i wonder how many people even knew that low humanity changes your dialogue and even speech checks lol

>>718300756
appearance level, gender and clan also change it

>>718300460
Your entire argument is just that not all skills are necessary to min-max the game.

You are retarded.

>>718300714
He is 100% correct
>>718300756
I wish it changed more radically, even at the cost of dialing back completely on attributes and expand clan and humanity dialogue options

>>718298906
No, that would imply the name was slapped on to an existing game they thought would do bad. The publishing strategy of "make and advertise a sequel to VTMB" long predates this iteration of the project, they're just the first seat-fillers to hand in a shippable product.

>>718300657
you have to have literal autism

>>718300460
Haggle is stupid in that it is useful to a new player who doesn't know where all the loot is/how to get things for free, except new players like that also don't know how to get the most experience/be efficient with it, so they can't really afford to pump haggle that much. It stops being useful the moment you can start affording to take it.

>>718299546
Because EA failed dismally at their original goal (leveraging IP to kill WoW and become the #1 MMO), it was only through happenstance that they successfully pivoted it to a modern live service title.

>>718300825
No? my argument is that intimidate and haggle are useless, why would you pick intimidate for the beachhouse where it forces combat on you, instead of seduction (astrolite + free feeding) or persuasion (astrolite)

of course there isnt a minmax way to play the game, but picking intimidate just because of "roleplay" is artificial and in only player's head

>>718300753
>>718300856
Did you fight the Giovanni?
Did you rat out Strauss or Mercurio?
What did you do about Pisha?

>>718300940
Maybe he does but it if you think about it a lot of quests in VTMB just have unavoidable combat shoehorned into them

>>718301018
>Did you fight the Giovanni?
Sometimes. I don't think killing Bruno gives XP though so I usually don't bother
>Did you rat out Strauss or Mercurio?
No, I wanted Mercurio as an endgame vendor
>What did you do about Pisha?
Marry

>>718300825
Nope, he is correct. What good Intimidate and Persuasion are exactly?
This webm is Dragon's Tail. You can seduce, persuade, use stealth (which I did) or intimidate to get to the second floor
Then you learn where to go and you start a shootout with all the goons you had so many options to bypass 20 seconds before, so I might have just bruteforced my way through it
It's cool because I like being a vampire pestilent magician with Uzis, not because I can use obfuscate or talk my way to getting to the second floor.

And yes, haggle is useless considering I had none for 3 playthroughs and had enough money regardless

>>718301185
Vtmb2 has customization options actually, which is great because I hated dressing with just an outfit for clan
Thanks TCR

>>718299435
>>718299472
>muh pol
>muh tortanic
It's funny how shills always refuse to actually fit in.

>>718301018
>Did you fight the Giovanni?
Yes, Mobsters get the rope
>Did you rat out Strauss or Mercurio?
Nah
>What did you do about Pisha?
She is my kind of sycho evil
>>718301313
Plap plap plap plap plap

>>718301313
AIEEE SHE'S TURNING ME COMMIE HELP ME STRAUSS!!!

>>718295193 (OP)
Anyway, they have to show something at Gamescom right?

>>718301402
>evil
Is a tiger evil for eating a calf that wanders into its den?

>>718301704
>compares herself to an animal who can't have complex thoughts other than feed fuck and sleep
what a philosopher

>>718301313
Impregnation

>>718301313
made for mating press

I'm only interested in this game beacuse of Christina Hendricks even if they nerfed her tits.

>>718302456
For me, its the nerd scientist girl with thick eyebrows (my weakness)

I think OW2 will be good. They learned their lessons from 1

>>718302605
They showed how much they learned in awoved, aka nothing. More like regressed further.

>>718302605
its going to be like avowed

>>718301313
Guys I think I'm a communist now
>>718302605
They probably did, hopefully.
It will still receive hostility Avowed (a good game) received. I remember when faggot Skyrim streamers were chimping out because you can't steal and kill npcs, even though these retards probably loved Shitcher 3 and Mass Effect

>>718295193 (OP)
>Chinese Room
>Game is linear and cinematic
Well yeah that's what they do. I lost interest years ago. Don't know why would anyone be hyped for this.

>>718303181
>>Game is linear and cinematic
Perfect fit for a Bloodlines sequel

>>718303368
This game had fun combat. CR doesn't do gameplay. You will be disappointed.

>>718303064
>(a good game)
heh nice one

>>718303493
From what we have seen it looks better than the Hardsuit Labs build and actualy fun
>Doesn't do combat
But anyone has to start from somewhere

>>718303542
>Let me tell you how bad the game I didn't play is

I really want that game to be good.
8 weeks to go. Then we'll know for sure.

I really need to create a win7 VM and replay the original with the deprecated True Patch, because my memories of my original playthrough are way too different from my lastest with wesp5's.
Hard too comment on the game when there's so many differences between versions.

>>718295193 (OP)
I thought gameinformer shut down? Or am i thinking about some other magazine now?

>>718300975
Yeah, you're retarded and possibly literally autistic.

>>718295407
I have only prayers left now. They will either suffice, or they won't.

>>718305412
>cant argue without namecalling
esl

Recently installed pic related. Last time I played it I dropped it after ~8 hours. Hopefully this time I at least manage to finish it.
Also Blood of the Dawnwalker gives me VtmR vibes

>>718305389
they were brought back some time ago

>>718305568
keep in mindthat you can toggle autofollow when you click that green dot next to health bar, it will save your ass in the church section later, other than that its an ok dungeon crawler, enjoy

>>718301313
What
Shouldn't there be some nigger vampire standing there, or was this just something the unofficial patch changed at some point

>>718305670
>cant remember Skelter's name
shiggy diggy brainrot, also yes UP swapped their places

>>718305412
The word you're looking for is analytical. Trouble is, anon is factually right, but missing the smokes-and-mirros element, which is integral part of the design for so many of those games.
For one, yes, too many intimidation checks end up with you fighting anyway with no significant gain from the skill. But you don't know that unless you've thoroughly played/analyzed the game, and enough end up working that if feels worthwhile by sole virtue of the roleplay element.
It might just be local color, but local color is primordial in a game that lives on its mood.

Conversely, we lack too much data on Bloodlines 2 to make any educated guess on those matters.

I told all you stupid fucking retards, ever since this shit was FIRST ANNOUNCED that the fact that they were calling it "Bloodlines 2" would inevitably lead to disaster.

It's a game series where every game is standalone and it goes:
Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines
Vampire the Masquerade: NEW FUCKING TITLE

That's literally all they every had to fucking do and I guarantee you that not only would the development have gone much better because they wouldn't have to cling to the fucking memberberries, but it would also have made general attitudes towards the project much more positive because it would be it's own unique thing, not a fucking cash grab piece of shit DESPERATELY trying to cash in on nostalgia that it cannot deliver on in any way. I fucking hope Sweden gets nuked and that the bomb hits Paradox HQ directly.

>>718305828
I mean, to a certain degree, I would understand why you can argue that calling it Bloodlines 2 makes sense since it's, very roughly, a similar style of game to VTMB. Redemption plays pretty differently, those pseudo-VN things are somewhat different, so it makes sense that this is the closest to Bloodlines.
Of course, everyone knows they're purely banking on nostalgia sales.

>>718305806
>smoke and mirrors element
yeah but that's the thing, is that good game design? When you first start the game, you can make this whole character background in your head about how your Ventrue was a businessman or a finance graduate and thats why he has points in Haggle, but in reality Haggle in game barely does anything, you can very well finish the game with boatloads of money without a single point in Haggle. Is that a good game design, or bad one?

>>718305976
This will not feel like Bloodlines any more than Bloodlines felt like Redemption.

>>718305828
Trouble is, Paradox sold Bloodlines 2 (which, to be faiir, made a modicum of sense when Mitsoda sold them the project), so they either had to reimburse everyone, call it quit and make a fresh start, or continue selling a Bloodlines game. Which would have been bold and courageous, but go sell that to investors...
The sad thing is that, I do believe /some/ people in higher up managerial position were happy to bring back VtM from an actual fan perspective, on top of making a business investment. But then the whole project ended up a mess. The HSL management really fucked EVERYONE over and Paradox wasn't compentent enough to notice or deal with it in time.

I feel like Paradox are way too invested in some kind of super secret marketing plan to realize that this game is going to leak. The DLC has already leaked. The cover art has leaked. The release date has leaked (October 21). It's only going to get worse from here. If they don't reopen preorders and release both a new story trailer and a deep dive gameplay trailer within the seven days, they're insane. My assumption is that they'll have something at the Gamescom opening night on the 19th, but who the fuck knows with Paradox. They seem completely unequipped to market a story driven game like this, because their entire target audience are autistic people, not general audience types.

>>718306228
This is a company that released Imperator: Rome in such a piece of shit state. The fact that they didn't release the HSL version as it is instead of completely axing the project should tell how fucked up it was lol

>>718306354
>My assumption is that they'll have something at the Gamescom opening night on the 19th, but who the fuck knows with Paradox.
They're not even on the Gamescom list, so a trailer at best

>>718305806
>analytical

No, that was not the word I was looking for lol.

>>718306056
"Good" game design is design that works for its intended audience.
Most players aren't harcore players with intimate knowledge of design elements and over-analytical level of attention to details.
Character creation front-loading a lot of the player investment in the PC works on general audience, and is generally not much of a flaw in and off itself for more demanding players, so it works for a game intended to be played by both. The real question being how disppointing its implementation will prove on repeated play-though - which most of the general audience won't ever notice. They hardly every finish games anyway.

>>718306056
>is that good game design?

Yes, you fucking faggot.

>>718306426
Paradox are listed as a Gamescom partner, but who knows what that actually means. In terms of public playtests, maybe PAX West?

>>718306354
My dude, my brother, my Caitiff. Paradox has given up on the brand.

>>718306693
The quarterly report said that Bloodlines 2 is Paradox's most expensive project, or at least the one that they've sunk the most money into on an ongoing basis. They need this thing to be a huge success. It has to be the Mass Effect 2, the Witcher 3 of Bloodlines games. They have two months to take this game from "I didn't know there was a sequel" to "I want this sequel".

This is from the opening sequence where Fabien helps you escape the police.

>>718299452
Confirmed for never playing the game. VTMB forces you into combat several times throughout the story. The sewers being widely recognized as the worst part of the game by a longshot.

>>718306581
>Most players aren't harcore players with intimate knowledge of design elements and over-analytical level of attention to details.
but does this make it okay for the game to lie to players? shouldnt it be the developers job that every skill should matter, not at a roleplay, make-believe level, but also on a gameplay level? the players should have enough intimidation checks, at least as many as perception or seduction checks, that lead to varied outcomes, and players who dont invest in haggle should at least have *some* difficulty in purchasing stuff

>>718306863
I notice that in recent screenshots, the main character doesn't have fingernail polish. I wonder if they've made fingernail polish customizable or turned it into a male/female thing.

>>718306863
I really like how vertical it looks.

>>718295193 (OP)
>When I ask creative director Alex Skidmore why the game is called Bloodlines 2...
>"It's what we were asked to do." It's an honest response.
>Bloodlines 2 was originally being made by Hardsuit Labs and got far enough in development to be shown at E3 2019, but the next two years were filled with delays, departures, and ultimately, the decision to remove Hardsuit Labs from the project entirely
>Still, I expect the changes may upset some diehard fans of the original, especially the fact that the base version of Bloodlines 2 only includes four clan options
>no Malk or Nosferatu
>more linear
>The latest gameplay video which is supposed to show changes still has poorly written dialogue in which the character goes "No no no no I WOULD'VE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT" like some Scooby-Doo villain and the main character is still oblivious to it
>Everything about Phyre, especially the retarded name
>So close to release and we don't have proper trailers and showcases
Absolutely nothing looks or feels good about any of this. There's no way they even cared about developing this.

>>718306992
>but does this make it okay for the game to lie to players?
Yes, as long as it works. Systemic balance is /inherently/ insignificant in this context. The haggle-investing player may be sitting on a load of useless money at the end of the game, while the one that barely invested in the skill has enough to buy the same gear but no surplus of money, but to many the narrative distinction matters as much, if not more, as the gameplay balance one.
As a designer, your purpose is to deliver the experience that players enjoy. RPGs being hybrid by nature (let's limit ourselves to the Forge NGS theory for now) means that you have several fronts to cover, and sometimes what doesn't satisfy ("is a lie") one the gaming/narrativist/simulationist aspects satisfies another.

>>718307110
Most likely I'd think the polish is tied to the current costume.

>>718307183
Same. Between the main street/back street and the higher ground/lower ground, I think the game may really haave something with its level design. Execution pending.

>>718307201
>>The latest gameplay video which is supposed to show changes still has poorly written dialogue in which the character goes "No no no no I WOULD'VE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT" like some Scooby-Doo villain and the main character is still oblivious to it
You mean Willem the Nosferatu? He's an autistic retard that doesn't seem to notice that his family died like a hundred fucking years ago.

>>718308106
Oddly, if you go back to the Legend of the Nomad dev diary, both male and female Phyre were wearing nail polish in the clothes they were buried. (Which I assume the player is wearing in the top screenshot.)
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/dev-diary-legend-of-the-nomad

>>718296927
you wanna know what vibe it's gonna have? same as any other realism inspired bobblehead bugeyed unreal engine slop

>>718308259
But then it's always been a WIP, so I'd take builds with a grain of salt the earlier you go back to.
For some reason, I'm reminded of the person that complained that the pearls on Lou's collar were not properly attached, and the TCR spokeperson answered that the WIP was not up to par and this would be corrected. As someone that doesn't really give a fuck about the technical aspects of graphical prowess, it felt like a really weird complaint.

>>718306812
>They have two months to take this game from "I didn't know there was a sequel" to "I want this sequel".

There is 0% chance of that happening.

VtmB was lightning in a bottle. I don't think there's a blueprint to the way it achieved to ooze so much atmosphere, so my expectations for this are six feet under.
Even if VtmB 2 is a good game on its own merits, it's never going to be a proper sequel to VtmB, because it's probably impossible to make one.

I'm never playing this.

>>718309395
To each their own, but that's a weird take to me "I'm not playing this game, even if it's good, because it has the wrong name". I do understand the being mad at the name misuse (if/when it proves such). But cutting off one's nose to spite one's face?
I'd understand /not buying/ even if good, but that's another matter.

>>718308840
>For some reason, I'm reminded of the person that complained that the pearls on Lou's collar were not properly attached, and the TCR spokeperson answered that the WIP was not up to par and this would be corrected.
Worse, Lou's jacket was completely bugged in some screenshots, clipping through her shoulders. But yea, obviously WIP stuff.
>>718309224
You really think that we're gonna see a situation where the game is ASTOUNDINGLY good, on the level of some of the best RPGs ever made, but due to botched marketing people don't know about it?

>>718309395
>VtmB was lightning in a bottle.

Troika was THAT talented. I don't think any aspect of the game is an accident or even improbability.

It's very strange that they allowed journalists to play the game for hours back in March, and then for hours in July, but neither of those teams was allowed to record footage. Their impressions were all very positive, so what was Paradox thinking?

>>718309705
>But cutting off one's nose to spite one's face?
It's not that dramatic dude, but maybe my tone came off a bit more harsh than I intended.
There's tons of games that are great that I haven't played. I'm in my mid 30s and gotten to a point where I don't care too much for modern games except things that resonate with my particular play history. VtmB is one of my favorite games from that time, but to me this sequel just doesn't look like it comes from the same place that made the original great. I could be wrong. If there's tons of buzz around it being a worthy sequel, maybe I'll be open to checking it out.

>>718310250
Talented yes, but it did come with some improbability. The music is one of the things that made VtmB shine. I remember reading about the guy who did the soundtrack. I think he was drugged up or fresh out of jail or something like that and he felt the need to push out some music as a way to handle his own shit, and that's how we got the soundtrack. IIRC he stopped making music afterwards. It's a perfect place perfect time kind of thing.

I have to say, the HSL cover worked better for me.

>>718301660
I assume so.

It's going to be extremely bad, and not just because of the inevitable disastrously buggy release

there are people on /v/ who didn't automatically disregard this shit game when one of the first pieces of information we had on it would be its focus on gender identity shit

i know the game has been rebooted and switched studios, but that just means it was doomed from day one anyway.

i remember all the left wing cope that people used to spam in VTMB2 threads

>>718310737
Was the updated Willem warehouse footage provided for them?

>>718315384
As far as I can tell it's b-roll provided by the devs, yea. The parts of the game that they played included the opening chapter, arriving at the apartment, meeting Lou, meeting the black chick at the club, that sorta thing. Willem's quest is actually a bit later.

>>718295193 (OP)
No boobs, no Kuei-jin...fuck this

>>718297950
Is this the same shill from months ago?

>>718295193 (OP)
>first game was linear as fuck was it not?
It did let you explore around and do sidequests. I assume...
>this sequel seems to be more linear than its predecessor
...means they're throwing that out and focusing entirely on the main story? Shame, if true.

>>718318378
>shill
I can't take that word seriously anymore given how liberally it's being thrown around.

>>718298729
>VTMB will be a mess
After everything that happened, I'd actually be surprised if it turns out to NOT be a mess.

>>718297950
>What's with all the bitching.
The game has been in clusterfuck dev hell for years with a revolving door of developers. So everyone's impression of the game is it's going to be a trainwreck.

>>718298826
The studio was contracted by paradox to make the game, so his response is correct. They didn't pitch the game, they signed on as the devs for the "bloodlines 2" someone else already promised and failed at.

>>718301313
>glances at your cock the moment she initiates dialogue

>>718298826
In other words, because of a time sink, right? "Bloodlines 2" has been in development for the past, what, 10 years? They probably feel like they have to shit out something, anything, just so they can finally put a closure on it and carry on.
The one thing I'm looking forward to is that What Happened guy on Youtube doing a video on it. It's going to be gloriously depressing.

>>718305568
>Redemption 2 never ever
At least the characters were made VtM canon, I guess, and appeared in other VtM stuff.

It's still astounds me that Brian Mitsoda chose genuinely the worst people imaginable to make Bloodlines 2 and ultimately caused Paradox to waste millions replacing his entire team with a bunch of random people with slightly more knowledge when it comes to videogames.

Like damn, it made me lose a whole lot of respect forvthe man.

>>718315640
>no chinks
Given where it's set, and the Chinatown buildings shown in some screenshots/teasers, I think there might be.

>>718320630
Remember: never think with your dick.
inb4 NOOOOO HE TOTALLY WASN'T FUCKING CARA "I COSPLAY AS BRIAN MITSODA" ELLISON REEEEEEE

>>718320776
Cara is the least of the issues, it's the HSL higher management that signed a check it couldn't cash and took down everyone along.

>>718295193 (OP)
>paying for people to shill this garbage here instead of competent devs that might save the game
What the fuck is this company thinking

>>718310875
>I'm in my mid 30s and gotten to a point where I don't care too much for games
proudly broken by capitalism award
>except things that resonate with my particular play history. VtmB is one of my favorite games from that time
i only care about games that resonate with my play history! there's a sequel to my favorite game coming out but i don't want to even give it a shot!
>The music is one of the things that made VtmB shine. I remember reading about the guy who did the soundtrack. - IIRC he stopped making music afterwards.
he literally announced THIS week his music is still in the game and wasn't removed when the game went from hardsuit to tcr which many people speculated on over the past 6 years

>>718299241
>forced
>in a side quest


Sounds like you made a choice there bucko

>>718295193 (OP)
*Gothic Sip*
>It doesn't need to release in Q1 2020, Q4 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
>It doesn't need a gothic atmosphere
>It doesn't need dark nightclubs with no RGB twitch thot lighting.
>It doesn't need Chiasm
>It doesn’t need Lacuna Coil
>It doesn’t need Darling Violetta
>It doesn’t need Type O Negative
>It doesn’t need sexy goth female vampires that I actually want to fuck and suck.
>It doesn’t need devs who actually give a fuck about VTMB
>It doesn’t need levels that force you to play them
>It doesn’t need the Tzimische
>It doesn’t need Malkavian's who are actually fun to play and have interesting dialogue
>It doesn’t need characters who have anatomically correct necks.
>It doesn’t need better facial animation than VTMB1
>It doesn't need less janky shooting or melee combat than VTMB1
>It doesn’t need at least the same number of clans if not more than VTMB1
>It doesn’t need writing and dark themes in the World of DARKNESS that doesn't give a fuck if it triggers you or not.
>It doesn’t need a team that’s not mentally ill who cry about their own body dysphoria like anyone gives a fuck.
>It doesn’t need Brian Mitsoda
>It doesn’t need Ka’ai Cluney.
>It doesn’t need Avellone
>It doesn’t need to follow the original concept of Thinbloods
>It doesn’t need young Damsel
>It doesn’t need writers whose job is not to cut up the project and throw it out the door
>It doesn’t need actual dialogue options instead of Fallout 4 dialogue
>It doesn’t need to not have a pre-defined character and a shitty-voiced protagonist
>It doesn’t need to not have Vampire Johnny Silverhand
>It doesn’t need an actual twist instead of FABIEN THE VOICE IN YOUR HEAD IS THE ELDER THE WHOLE TIME ZOINKS
>It doesn’t need to take inspiration from BLOODLINES 1
>It doesn't need to release in 2024
WE ARE NOW HERE
>It doesn’t need to release in the first half of 2025
Fucking kek, keep telling you it’s shit

>>718300278
I went with gun build in every play through I did of this game
No idea why chodes cry about the guns so much
You just put the points in the bag and fire from the effective ranges
This is why I also never had issues with the sewer section

>>718306354
You can really judge games by their cover
You will be correct 90% of the time
This looks like it will be soulless slop with fraudulent "choices"

>>718321972
Shazamposting stopped being funny like 3 years ago.

>>718309395
You are an ape
The game took so much from the aesthetic and atmosphere of the movies that were running late night at that time

Its literally a 2004 time capsule
There is no magic trick behind it
The culture was just more white and better so this was possible

>>718295193 (OP)
This is gonna be a trainwreck with front-loaded sales due to the IP, then drop like a stone due to negative word of mouth and then forgotten about by most folks in about two to three weeks, occasionally getting brought up once in awhile in template "Now that the dust settled, what went wrong" threads on /v/.

>>718309395
>VtmB was lightning in a bottle
look outside nigga, where are the goths and type o negative? they don't exist anymore. there's a lot to complain about V5 but most of the things you people mention (why doesn't a game set in 2025 have clubs playing lacuna coil and 90s industrial???) are because the world itself changed for the worse.
if you wish your were a vampire (and if you don't why would you care about wod) you should think about what being a vampire would be like in current day and not 1991 because unfortunately it really is current day and not 1991.

>>718300069
If your strategy for shilling the game is attacking the first one you're just giving me another reason to never buy the new one no matter how much you cry and bitch.

>>718323850
anon i don't think that's the shill
i think he might actually be a schizo

>>718306812
You're on drugs, the original was a well known massive flop. By virtue of being on PlayStation and Xbox it's going to sell more copies than any other VTM product, the VTM games have a ceiling

>>718320630
To be fair, Mitsoda is mostly just a writer. It was Ka'ai Cluney who wanted HSL to do it and then asked Mitsoda to help them pitch it to Paradox. I don't think Mitsoda was involved in picking anyone to work on the game except for Cara Ellison.

>>718323469
>where are the goths...they don't exist anymore.
They most certainly do. There's a goth club near me that is still quite active. It's still very popular in Europe, and even Mexico has a decent goth scene. Zoomers are interested in goth/industrial music sometimes as well with it trending on social media with them.

>>718295193 (OP)
>first game was linear as fuck was it not?
it was an immersive sim. it was linear in the sense that you progressed through the same set of levels each time you played it but it was geared towards replayability.

>>718295193 (OP)
>Woke shit
>Black people
>Trannies
Vtmb is dead, this is just some freak wearing its corpse playing pretend

>>718325461
The replayability came from the character classes 4 of the 6 offered the same experience. There was only 3 ways to solve each quest, stealth, violence or dialog

>>718326502
retarded secondary.

>>718323850
you can call me a shill or schizo, but you cant call me wrong :)

>>718320729
They are not declared in the game. I can't play for them, I can't follow my choice and serve my mistress Ming. There's no role-playing or connection to the previous game for me. Although the developers previously said that they would expand all clan structures in the game.

>>718327865
Bottom of the ocean with you, simp

>>718327979
>Best ending
This is about choice, not about the slave protagonist from the first game. There is nothing here.

>>718326862
You're technically right, but it's the flavor that mattered. A Nosferatu sneaking through a club's sewer access, a Malkavian talking nonsense that actually unveils lore, or a Tremere cheesing fights with blood magic all gave enough variance to not feel like the same playthrough. Yeah, most quest solutions boiled down to stealth, combat, or persuasion, but the tone shifted depending on your clan, dialogue, and the route you took there. It wasn’t about the mechanics being wildly different - it was about the vibe, the immersion, and the writing supporting your character’s identity. Something the new one looks allergic to.

Still trying to decipher what the trivial pursuit electrical engineering symbol is supposed to mean...

>>718295193 (OP)
This game is going to have so many masquerade
violations, its not even funny.

>>718321068
I'm not shilling you stupid retard, I found this article and decided to share it on 4chins to read some anons opinions and have a vtmb thread going, why is that so hard to understand? do you like ANY game at all?

>>718331194
>masquerade violations
Sounds like a WEG title.

>>718295193 (OP)
>paradox shill thread
You can tell it’s him because he keeps jerking off the same fucking game informer shit.

>>718331442
I'm back from the grave, read >>718331329

>>718331329
Kill yourself, shill

>>718331671
thanks for the bump, faggot

>>718302605
It sounds substantially better than 1 since it sounds like it has more depth but I still can't get over the fucking ugly aesthetics of it all, no idea what they were thinking of with that art direction.

>>718331552
>im not him im just some other retard that cares enough about this shit game and is getting hyper defensive over people calling out that it will fail and saying it’s shit
If you wanted to have a thread about VTMB, you would have made one about the game and not tried to shoehorn this shit in. But since you’re some histrionic retard that gets paid pennies to do damage control for the chink room and paradox you come up with the most batshit and blatant lies.

>>718331442
What can we post but publically available material? Not as if we had any other option.

>>718331795
I was so fucking disappointed by the lack of reactivity of the first. I've tried to play it three times and never could stomach it to the end.
Given Obsidian's recent track record, I have very little hopes for the sequel.

>>718305828
It actually made sense to call it Bloodlines 2 back when they were actually making it with the intention of it being an actual successor to the point they got some of the old crew back. Then they scrapped that version entirely including firing the old staff and had some walking sim dev make a shitty CP2077 wannabe.

>>718331854
there's not much left to talk about the first one, it's generally the same threads, at least this way we get some new people in here

>>718327979
I like this ending, the most logical outcome. She should kill you, but she spared your life in thankful for your help. The sarcophagus has an aura that no one can approach, own vacation for several hundred years until the coffin is raised again

>>718332036
>What can we
Oh look the shill realized he was btfo in pretending to not be the same retard that has been spamming this trash for weeks so now has to samefag like usual
>inb4 waaah schizo
Cool post a screencap
>inb4 nu uh
Cool so you can’t then since you’re samefagging. Using a browser extension or some shit to disable (You)s?

I hope the music is good. I mean both the background music and the nightclub songs.

>>718332038
>CP2077 wannabe.
Granted, that decision makes some sense, given CP2077 happens to be the modern game that hits closest to bloodlines, for better and worse.

>>718332115
>it's generally the same threads
And that’s why they’re good since it’s a good game that people like to talk about. But you don’t like that because it means that people will be aware that there is something that isn’t absolutely ass and therefore have higher standards when it comes to games and media.

>>718332239
>given CP2077 happens to be the modern game that hits closest to bloodlines
How? What parts of 2077 are close to Bloodlines?

>>718332178
You dumb fuck. I *am* another anon.
And I'll retiterate, what can those of us that want to talk about the game post but things made publically availabe? You paranoid dipshit.

>>718332036
Yeah, I didn't even finish the first but most of the stuff I've heard about 2 is making my perk my ears a bit. I'll probably do the same thing I did with the first one and just pirate it to see if they actually improved anything, it's a slim chance it actually delivers but at least it won't cost me anything and still have the potential to be pleasantly surprised.

>>718300356
It's not dogshit but it's also not worth your time
It's neutered, bland, inoffensive, not that engaging or interesting.
After finishing the game my only thought was "Man what a waste of time"

>>718332463
>You dumb fuck
Immediately gets overly defensive and mad, strike one
>I *am* another anon
Claims to be different person but can’t back it up, strike two.
>And I'll retiterate, what can those of us that want to talk about the game post but things made publically availabe
Repeats the same shit he said in another post that “wasn’t him”, strike three
>You paranoid
Tries making it seem like samefagging isn’t common, you’re already out. But thanks for doing every single retarded this you pathetic faggots always do. It’s a good example for newfags.

>>718332708
you really need to leave this site for a couple of days man

>>718332407
General construction of the game I'd say.
CP2077 often felt like a modern cargo cult emulation of Bloodlines to me, in that it suppressed all the would-be imsim inspired systemic things that were in gestation in Bloodlines and focused on the narrative display, kept mostly segregated from the gaming systems.

>>718332994
Says the faggot that’s constantly spamming threads to shill some shitty game. But good job immediately folding and trying to call me a loser after you were outed as a samefagging shill. How about you take your own advice? Oh wait you can’t since you’d be fired and then have to find some other demeaning wage slave job. Honestly you should, flipping burger is less pathetic than this.

>>718333117
retard

>>718333052
>General construction of the game I'd say
2077 is open world while Bloodlines is hub based for the most part. Not to mention the combat and exploration are totally different as well as the character and how they’re presented. V is a custom voiced protagonist while the Fledgling is partially custom.

>>718333203
Is that all it can say? Just impotently seething about it’s position in the world and how even people on an anonymous image board discussing games aren’t as pathetic since at least they have passion and aren’t doing it for some shitty wage slave job.

>>718333337
>since at least they have passion
that's the first thing I said you stupid moron >>718331552

>>718333557
>has to circle back around to shit that was already called out and he couldn’t defend
Is this the only job you can get because it allows you to play on the only thing that you consider a skill. Which is being the most bullheaded stubborn manchild that can never admit he’s wrong and immediately runs from anything that shows he wrong or that he can’t argue? Because I have no idea how anyone with a fully developed brain would think that doubling back not even an hour after failing to argue would in anyway be considered a good idea. Also if that is you then that means you are the samefag since I already replied with this >>718331854 and that was from the chain that you claimed “wasn’t you” but good job making even more clear you pathetic faggot.

>>718333274
CP 2077 is designed around discreet small hubs reincorporated into the bigger map - with strong limits about inter-structural interactions. As with Bloodlines, hardly anything has any reach deeper than its own subspace. Both show similar uses of set pieces to impart story. Bloodlines has better interaction between RPG gameplay elements and narrative, but not by much. Both work on mood built up byt set pieces to be wandered, and conversations as illusion of choice and narrative exploration.

Fuck, if I'm going to try and tackle that one in english, I'll need some coffee first. Apologies.

>>718333117
If you're the same anon - and it does seem like it - I'll reiterate what I was saying in a previous thread: if you're not trolling, get help. At the very least get some rest.
This is sad.

If you are indeed trolling, have fun, I guess.

Imagine being the sad piece of shit who has spent several years of their following this steaming turd, and then having to be even dumb enough to recreate this garbage world, for a shity videogame, that was nothing more than a glorified HL2 mod.

I hope this game fails.

having the two best clans and making them DLC is cancerous enough alone to avoid

>>718295193 (OP)
I really, really hope it never comes out because the first game was lightning in a bottle and replicating it would require a time machine. If VTMB2 does come out in this retarded day and age it's going to be, at best, mediocre and forgettable.

>>718334054
How many people are you larping as ITT? The best part is you already outed yourself as a same in your last reply by admitting that it was you that posted reply from another chain. But since I’m honest I’ll address this other shit
>CP 2077 is designed around discreet small hubs reincorporated into the bigger map
It’s not, this are districts in one larger city, they’re not separate and can be accessed by the player at anytime.
>Both show similar uses of set pieces to impart story
They don’t, one is about surviving and adapting to your knew role a a vampire while the other is about a guy that gets fucked up and has a engram of some dead retard in his head and he’s hoping to find a way to save himself and get rid of him.
>if I'm going to try and tackle that one in english
So you’re an ESL, thanks for admitting that. You a Swede that works directly for paradox or some brownoid they hired?
>If you're the same anon - and it does seem like it - I'll reiterate what I was saying in a previous thread
So you admit you have been doing this in other threads like I said. Just Stop, it’s not hard, or will you get fired?
>if you're not trolling, get help
Again very ironic since you spend all of your time shilling some shitty game on an anonymous image board. But i suppose this is the only cope you have either saying im trolling or crazy. What are you going to say you’re trolling next and act like a smug retard to make it so no one takes you seriously?

uh oh tardy melty

>>718334658
Yeah the paradox shill has been going full retard, he usually does in these threads.

>>718334707
no i meant the tardy above my post actually

>>718297950
Imagine being this much of a faggot.

>>718334791
I know, I always know you have to continue to larp as different people and say it’s retarded even though you can’t argue it and have to passive aggressively seethe.

I listen to bloodline 1's OST once in a while, getting rid of the guy who made that was such a retarded decision.

>>718334976
Rik Schaffer himself said he couldn't replicate what he did for the first game because his mind wasn't in that dark place anymore

But if you really want him, youre in luck, they kept some of his work from the previous iteration for this one

>>718334568▶
>So you’re an ESL
For the record, while the coffee is brewing: French, English fourth language self-taught through academia, which makes me dreary to re-read at the best of times, of which I apologize. Your answers about CP2077 totally miss the mark of what I was saying, but it's probably on me being unclear, here.

Have a setite for your pain.

>>718334976
I really hope people are guessing right with the "RS Radio" DLC being "Rik Schaffer Radio", as an excuse to reintroduce more of his tracks into the game.

>>718335357
So you’re just going to avoid how you outed yourself as a samefag yet again while getting defensive about being called an ESL, and then saying I’m wrong about 2077 even though it’s exactly what we were talking about.
>Have a setite for your pain
Do you think posting random art will just erase all the dumbshit you have said and done? Because you have outed yourself three times and just keep running away and ignoring everything like I said. Imagine being this pathetic that you have to make this your job, do you get paid to do this? Or are you like the jannies?

Strap me to a missile and fire it at Stockholm if they don't show anything at gamescom

>>718335357
>"RS Radio" DLC
Are multiple radio stations confirmed to be in the game?

>>718335650
I know that feel, kindred.

>>718335650
>Strap me to a missile and fire it at Stockholm
Say no more

>>718335892
The title of the DLC is the only reference we have that I know of a radio in the game.
I wouldn't expect there to be anything close to GTA radio stations in the game. Don't think it has the budget, not to mention you're a pedestrian. More probably something closer to the Deb of Night.

>>718336285
>More probably something closer to the Deb of Night.
yeah that would be cool too, or just radio talk shows in general, I started listening to old Art Bell shows recently and its the perfect vtm comfiness

>>718336285
>>718336456
Yeah all you need to do is preorder the game my fellow kindrederinos. Preordering is great since it helps the devs make quality content before the game is even out! Isn’t that great folks?

>>718336456
>Art Bell shows
Know nothng about that, will have to check more thoroughly than wikipedia later. Thanks.
I remember using Forever Knight's Lacroix (the other Lacroix)'s radio shows as background noise for VtM at some point, felt fitting yet funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U2cEdLnYXU

>>718336598
Have you heard of that new hip thing called piracy?

>>718337142
>Have you heard of that new hip thing called piracy?
Piracy? Why that’s unethical as it means people could lose their heckin jobs, I mean think off all the people on the marketing team?

I thought this shit was Morbius

>>718329919
At this point, I'm not sure it "means" anything, and is simply the most player-visible aspect of the markings.

>>718319067
to be fair, i peeped at her chest before even that, so there's that

>>718329919
that's the same mark on your hand, isnt it?

>>718337482
The use has been too deliberate in marketing material, I'll be surprised if there's no greater meaning attached.

>>718338396
Yes.

>>718310737
>Their impressions were all very positive, so what was Paradox thinking?
you're not allowed to show the game outside of our curated footage because it looks like fucking shit.
now give us a positive review or your blacklisted from even having early access to out titles ever again.

this applies to any game ever.
anything but raw, unedited gameplay outside cuts is a red flag.

>>718295193 (OP)
>game has factions, choices and rules
wow, I bet the game even has controls and graphics!

>>718307110
>numbers at the bottom of abilities
oh no, it's using 5th edition blood isn't it

>>718338779
I don't think the numbers are under powers, but the game's equivalent of potions (one of two things that REALLY worries me design-wise; the other being XP per kill).
That said, B2 doesn't use V5's Hunger system, it uses a "refill" system, in which you have to feed during combat to make powers available again.

>>718295193 (OP)
>What Makes VTMB 2 a "Bloodlines" Game?
Nothing.

>>718341204
Everything.

>>718341493
Wrong.

>>718341493
kek

The game might not be terrible when it releases, it might even be kind of fun at times. But there is no way in hell it's going to be as good or memorable as the original. It's going to be clean, sanitized and completely lacking in anything that might be deemed edgy or problematic.

>>718295193 (OP)
Man, this is the only game I wouldnt mind if they did aggressive nostalgia baiting marketing by playing Lacuna Coil in the trailer or showing old returning characters/environments. Just something that shows this game having a crumb of that gritty, gothic tone of the first one. From what I've seen so far it looks more like that shitty Vampyr game than Bloodlines.

I replayed Bloodlines not too long ago and it's full of irreverent, funny shit, it felt almost GTA-like in the way it parodied American culture at the time. I've seen none of that shit in the trailers and gameplay reveals of the sequel. People always get so hung up on the grungy, dark atmosphere that they forget this game could also be relentlessly funny at times.

>>718295193 (OP)
Well I certainly will not purchase on release, seems dodgy as fuck. Might get for 50% off in a year or so, but only IF /v/ says it's shit.
That is unless they got rid of the big titty vamp, then I'm skipping this altogether

>>718343721
Although to be fair, now that I look at them more closely that magazine in that picture might have been added by the plus patch or something like that. These ones though I'm pretty sure are in the original.

>>718343386
hey man, Vampyr wasn't that shit
it was no VtMB, but it had some nice moments

>>718344013
it had a great OST

>>718295193 (OP)
They should make a new game with my wife instead.

>vtmb2 thread
>rudy poster isnt here

>>718299078
Why dosent he share?

>>718320130
Redemption deserves a remake where they flesh out the passage of time better so Christof becomes a proper Elder by modern times.

>try the Werewolf VN's
>you play as a woman
>it's a ridiculously trite "we have to stop the evil capitalists from bulldozing the forest, xisters!" plot
>60 year old Polish tranny is a major character
>the Werewolf element exists ONLY to be a contrived female power fantasy where their impotent screeching actually makes men afraid
>98% of the game is about doing leftist social activism with a bunch of degenerate furries

What the fuck...

>>718345778
yeah thats what werewolf always was, furry ecoterrorists

>>718345778
First time learning about Werewolf? How much incest was in the VN?

>>718345778
Wow, a werewolf game about furries fighting corporations? This is really out of left field.

>>718343924
>magazine in that picture might have been added by the plus patch
Nah it's in the vanilla game.

>>718345778
Unironically Werewolf was always the faggy tabletop while Vampire was the cool one
Not as cool as Wraith, but hey, at least it wasn't I'm le speshul Mage

>>718345778
anon that's literally what Werewolf is.
Garou are half crazy leftist ecoterrorists and half crazy retardedly evil animals that kill each other and their allies for minimal shit.

and no, i'm pretty sure it wasn't an allegory to political parties, it's just their lore.

>>718345778
Remember, furry lore states they went full retard and killed like 90% of other shapeshifters (who's job was to keep nature balanced) and they're left to do everything while being severely retarded by birth. They're literally doomed to fail
>If humans discover them it's literally over
>Vampires can use endless waves of goons and political influence
>Mages have more important shit to do but could obliterate them
>Actually getting in Pentex's way instead of annoying them: pentex goon calls his boss who then calls his boss at The Syndicate who proceeds to use a hunter proxy / literal T800 or simply calls some goons at the CIA who call in a dronestrike and claim X terror group was 15 nanoseconda from 9/11 2.0

>>718295193 (OP)
The eyebrow scar meme is so tired