Thread 718319216

This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip.

its believable that the normandy crew swapped to the latest firearms some time after ME1
Less believable is the entire galaxy making the swap. Was there a weapons trade-in program?

>>718319572
it's not an innovation, it's a step backwards

>>718319216 (OP)
Reminder that this is the game where Bioware coined the term
"We want the Call of Duty audience"

>>718319216 (OP)
That game has no sequels

>>718319961
It's a step forward, because you don't have to wait 5 seconds for
>BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP
and continue firing immediately.
>>718320715
>not a term
Good job, ESL-kun.

>>718319216 (OP)
>Unironically triggered spergs to hard that they still to this day can't shut up about it.
Maybe Bioware is based after all.

>>718321276
You're a retarded gorilla nigger and are not arguing in good faith. A small reduction in volume of fire is a viable tradeoff for removing the logistical trail using personal weapons completely for 99% of military scenarios. That is if we don't just acknowledge the fact you can mod your weapons to fire forever.
It would only be an improvement if it still allowed the weapons to fire without a heat sink, but the sink would be a powerup to increase effective rate of fire.

>>718321519
>you can mod your weapons to fire forever
And they'll be weaker than your PC. When you have high powered mods in, you have to dramatically slow your rate of fire.

>>718319216 (OP)
unironically this was one of my favourite changes. I like managing ammo and seeing the counter go down or up like some autist so whole unlimited ammo from ME1 I didnt like

>>718321623
What's wrong with my personnel carrier?

>>718321624
Overheat and charge guns are always gay.
>pistol from Unreal
>first gun from the Starship Troopers FPS
>etc
The blaster from Quake 2 was gay as well, but it didn't have a cooldown. It was just unlimited ammo for faggots and went pkyew pkyew instead of BANG BANG.

Mass Effect 4 will be a return to form

>>718319216 (OP)
>this thread doesn't have a future

>>718319961
>it's not an innovation, it's a step backwards
Reddit tier. It's an innovation because why the fuck would they possibly take a step backwards? You'd have to have been there to know that and Shepard wasn't; so naturally he would assume it was an innovation. He shouldn't know why the gun isn't firing. Probably assume that (somehow) someone managed to fire it enough times that it actually requires a manual reload, something that happens in ME lore but so rarely because the bullets are the size of sand grains that the only example of it in lore is Shepard in the War Hero backstory.

>>718319216 (OP)
that pistol is the nortubel of mass effect

>>718324552
>calls every change in the world an innovation
>calls me a redditor
ironic...

>>718324630
>has the reading comprehension of a redditor
>surprised he's called one

Shepard wouldn't know it was a step backward or even why the gun isn't firing. That's all! That's all that is being said.

Why did they switch from a single internal heat sink with self-cooling systems to endless disposable heat sinks that are seemingly incapable of ever cooling down and therefore are rendered unusable after firing a few shots? Why can't the gun use the same self-cooling systems previous weapons already had to cool its current heat sink if a new thermal clip isn't available?
I think someone is profiting off of selling new thermal clips.

>>718321276
You are such a disingenuous cock-gobbling faggot

>>718324850
But I'm merely disputing that it might be an innovation.
You're the one projecting your redditness.

>ME2 introduces Thanix Cannons.
>Weapon reverse engineered from Collector technology
>Which is itself engineered from Reaper tech
>ME3 has "thanix missiles"
>Didn't consider just slapping the cannons on tanks, and literally everything else big enough to carry it

We could've had mammoths in Mass Effect, but the writers dropped the ball.

>>718324932
>telling the truth
>disingenuous
>doesn't specify his complaint because he's a faggot with no argument

>>718319961
In ME1 the shards of metal shaved off the magazine were so small that guns had functionally unlimited ammo. A few years after that advancement in armor became significant enough that more material needed to get shaved off the magazine for more mass/penetration power, resulting in guns no longer having unlimited ammo.

>>718324863
So they could suck off codbros
They weren't fine with rpg fans playing their games, codbros were way too important to miss out on
So they fucked it all

>>718325436
Were you born this retarded or are you just twisting thing up to defend why they fucked with their lore this bad?
If what you said is true, then every enemy shouldve been a bullet sponge
The function of the heat sink is explained well enough in fanfic 2 to disregard your shitty explainer anyway

it was for gameplay reasons, do we really need to look at the lore implications?

>>718325882
I get that
But, do we need to rehash how close they are to their grave with their improved gameplay or is the implication enough already?
You dont want me as a customer, then fuck you and your game

>>718325882
what does it add to the gameplay?
running around like a headless chicken mid combat as a sniper because you can only hold like 20 rounds doesn't enhance the game experience in any way.

>>718324863
In a perfect world it would be like how Helldivers 2 handles it where heat dissipates naturally but if you max out you must swap it because you totally burned it out, and if you're at high heat you can tactical reload without having burned out because it's much faster than waiting for natural cooling.

>>718325882
They wrote a lore entry about it, so I think that at least should be up for criticism.

Why even defend it when Bioware outright admitted that it was done to appeal to the shooter audience at EA's command?

>>718321276
Found the Call of Duty audience
They aren't sending their best

>>718326110
I'm not that cunt trying to defend the franchise killer, but....
The gameplay became closer to a true fps, with shitty ammo management
Gameplay improved cause there's an additional resource to manage during combat, but got shittier too as ammo clips are just there thrown about nonsensically even where they shouldn't be any just because
The point was to get codbros to buy their rpg since
>”RPG nerds in the basement would always buy the next bioware game. - EA executives"

> Neat little TPS/RPG hybrid with some fun mechanics. Unique and has it's own personality and identity.
> Sequel shits on everything you did and turns it into a generic third person shooter.

ME2 is up there with Xenoblade 2 and PSO2 in terms of disappointing sequels.

>>718326428
Because it's a paid for shill post by the trannies still working at biowhore making me5

>>718326346
That's how it originally was setup, the coding wazs still there and someone found out it could be turned back on with an ini file tweak. IIRC it was disabled because testers were too retarded to grasp the concept.

>>718326908
Its a mod on nexus with slight changes iirc
Same for me3

>>718326496
>Call of Duty invented reloading
>fag who wants turn based clickemups thinks action is bad
Go back to Muchi Puchi Panic! DX Ex//:Dream Re:Fire Heart Story Power Battle 53rd Sign.

>>718324552
>Have guns that canonically have (near) infinite ammo.
>Gun can overheat if you go too gung ho, but it will cool down after a few seconds and you can always just have a second gun.
>Overheating isn't an issue outside of extreme circumstances anyway.
>>Hey, you know what would be better? What if the heatsink was made really cheap and shitty so that the heat from every shot permanently damaged it and you could only fire a handful of rounds before needing to put a new heatsink in, regardless of how long ago you fired it?

>>718327348
In the first mass effect you could hold up to FOUR weapons so over heating was hardly an issue anyway.

>>718321276
>Instead of waiting 5 seconds for the gun to cool only when it is spam fired, we made it so you MUST wait 3.5 seconds to pop out the old heatsink 100% of the time.
On top of that, Zaeed's loyalty mission showed that the mechanism for ejecting the heatsink can jam. It makes the guns objectively less functional and less reliable. It can not be defended.

>>718327470
That's part of the point. Imagine having two assault rifles that have infinite ammo and then your higher ups tell you to use this new gun that can only fire up to 60 rounds (total) before the heatsink is toast and needs to be relplaced and you can't carry more than 4 extra heatsinks at a time.

>>718327890
I hope they can defend it, and include it other shit in their next game
I want the fire over bioware to burn bright, and all night long

>>718319216 (OP)
ME2 had problems but aside from the stupidity of thermal clips I did like the changes in gameplay. Each class was truly unique and Vanguard was fun as fuck. Unfortunately instead of fixing the bad and keeping the good in ME2 it seems like Bioware just doubled down on the bad for ME3.

>>718328298
>Each class was truly unique and Vanguard was fun as fuck.
You didn't play anything besides vanguard amd soldier. The other classes were gimped as fuck due to the GCD bullshit combined with limited ammo and no weapon customization.

>they think there will be another mass effect game
lmao

>>718328298
Its because people didnt boycott their shitty decisions regarding the story and lore destruction they engaged in hard enough due to the good parts
They replaced the original plans, fucked over the lore, and destroyed every single story thread setup in me1 to make a companion fucking simulator with vanguard mixed in
All they did in me3 was continue on that trend, rpg fags would buy anything bioware shat out anyway as per their reports

>>718328596
Not op
Vanguard was truly epic, and I like its variant in me3 more (never played andromeda or the multiplayer)
Everything else I despise

>>718328596
>playing something other than Soldier
Do pussies really?

>>718328905
Only pussies play soldier

>>718329069
Beginning of the cucking of shepbro in all its glory which continues through to me3

>>718328976
Only pussies play magic users. Go be Gandalf the Gay in another game.

>>718328905
>90% damage reduction ability
>Calling others pussies

>>718329237
Shepbro can't be anything but a manguard
Hope the fags still employed at bioware charge into me5 dick first like I did and get blown up like they shouldve been when they released da2/me2

Mass Effect 1 was my first RPG so I'll always have a soft fuzzy memory of it. And the writing was much better. I didn't skip any of the dialogue on my first playthough. Noveria is comfy.

I think I'll do another trilogy insanity run except this time I'll be a soldier. Any fun weapon power interactions you can do in ME3? It's the only game where I don't know what I'm doing.

>>718329248
>puts on muscle
>weakens blunt force trauma and prevents bone breaks on impact
>is a pussy compared to a lanklet who eats broccoli

>>718328596
He's right though, each class was unique. Sentinels had tech armour and even though adepts got nerfed they were still strong enough to easily clear the game on insanity. Infiltrator had perma stealth and the widow could one shot almost every enemy in the game.

>>718329690
You can't do powers in me3, only your companions can, javiks dark channel, liaras warp and singularity, talis drones and ai hacking, eddies powers all work fine, but dont set up combos without you being a power yourself
Why would you put yourself through that? Its a good shooter, but not that good
Hell, go play Helldiver/call of duty/battle whatever if that's what you really want

>>718328741
>They replaced the original plans, fucked over the lore, and destroyed every single story thread setup in me1
They literally did the opposite of that and ME2 is regarded as the best in the series. It only got better since ME1

>>718331071
Your neo-vagina has less rot in it than that opinion
Have fun while bioware lies down in its grave finally like it shouldve after releasing me2/da2

its weird how bioware/ea still has paid shills defending this shit

>>718331781
What's hilarious is that they spend their money on gas lighting us rather than hiring writers
And its even more pathetic if these shills are doing it for free

I don't even want to see a modern day take on Sheppard.
My ME1 and 2 shep was already ruined by the third game railroading.

The problem started with me2 fren
Until you realize that, shepbro will forever haunt these halls like an undead spirit

>>718319572
>>"this pistol doesn't have an innovation that happened while I was dead"

so then why did they have thermal clips on the shipwreck colony from 20 years prior?

>>718330372
>You can't do powers in me3
Surely solider has something to combo and do cool shit with? I heard incediary ammo with the particle rifle can be amusing. As for why I've already played through insanity as both infiltrator and adept. I guess I could go vanguard but I just wanna gun shit down with assault rifles. I stick to the same class through the trilogy and cba to deal with pistols and smgs as a sentinel in ME2.

>>718321262
It really doesn't, just a bunch of third person shooter spinoffs.

People think gaming is too saturated well I tell you there is nothing else out there to play after ME1, nothing exists. The next best thing is go actually backwards, replay kotor again or something but it's been so long now.

>>718326665
???
Both games are primarily third person shooters. And both are about equal in terms of RPG mechanics, unless you think having random lootslop weapons somehow makes ME1 more of an RPG

I swear ME1fags are so delusional, with the way they talk about these games you'd think ME1 was a Fallout 1 style CRPG or something lmao

>>718332827
Its called manguard
Ive never changed classes either midway through
And you do plenty of gunning down shit since its entire shtick is charging (like blinking in dishonored) to an enemy, and then blasting them with a shotgun
In me1, charge doesnt exist....... But by planet three of the main quest, I was able to just walk up to enemies and shoot them with my shotgun without a problem
Ignore every other power on your own bar (your companions will pay support with theirs in me2)
Then you get to me3 where using other powers at times will not debilitate your ability to charge and nova. Pull is for enemies with shields, shockwave can be ignored entirely, lash is fun to whip around occasionally, reave are both good for nerfing a large crowd from cover... Never thought to use other powers, even carnage isnt worth it as it put you on a cooldown

>>718333709
retarded thermal clips aside, ME1 had RPG writing while ME2 had shooter writing. the difference is night and day.

>>718333830
I've tried it before but parts of 2 feel like pulling teeth when you're relying on shotguns. The one that always comes to mind is the geth right before you grab Tali.

>>718330303
>adepts got nerfed they were still strong enough to easily clear the game on insanity.
Adepts were useless until you removed armour from the enemy, you're a faggot and so is the faggot that decided to add that shit to the sequel.

>>718333891
Writing is the only thing ME1 has over ME2.

>>718335048
nah even gameplay wise ME2 is just chest-high wall corridorslop.

>>718335048
ME2 only impoved the writing and expanded the world

>>718333891
>>718335195
Happy to see some sense on this board. "ME1 is the worst ME LMAO" seems to be the prevalent sentiment on /v/, which is just baffling to me.

>>718334578
You dont need tp charge every time
Iirc youre on higher ground there, stay hunkered down, and spam lagion/+talis drones, then use their ai hacking to turn the bots against each other till the areas clear
Manguard needs you to use your brain occasionally ...and this game is unfortunately modeled after a cover shooter

>>718333891
ME1 has some of the most thoughtfully-written lore entries I've ever read. I would urge people to read all the codex entries and planet descriptions; the way the writers have grounded the lore in plausible science is really impressive.

>>718319216 (OP)
Mass Effect 2 was already dogshit

>>718334578
I think the worst section is probably the first Collector base with the platforms, it's the only place in the game that has people shooting you that you can't Charge to so you'll have to fight them more or less with just a Heavy Pistol and it's frustrating. The rest of the stuff can be managed by Charging into appropriate positions with cover to keep you alive until your CD comes back up to get your shield recharge from the next Charge.

>>718319216 (OP)
They honestly should have not even bothered trying to explian it.
They were never going to be able to write a justification that made any logical sense.

Should have just left it as a retcon and move on.

I always loved the goofy comebacks shepard had to the reporter

>>718321276
>shooting like a retard until gun overheats
>cry about it like a retarded faggot

Why didnt they just make it both? Let the guns overheat but also let you swap clips if you want a faster reload?

Is Mass Effect 4 going to get cancelled?

>>718333416
Going from kotor to mass effect 1 was magical.

>>718336015
>fire 3 explosive rounds
>gun overheats
>3 round burst is shooting like a retard
Imagine being you.

>>718319216 (OP)
The downfall of Mass Effect started here. Slowly it would snowball into ME3's ending but you couldn't see that at the time. In retrospect it's very clear.

>>718334578
>>718335728
I'm really sorry, I spaced out and thought you meant when tali finds her dead father
Do her recruitment after every other person is on the team and preferably after the retarded man gaslights you into going to the collector ship to get the only gun you need, the claymore
After that, you'll have enough points to get your cooldown to the minimum with your class ability and charge at level 4
>get reagar into the fight
>go through the left quickly by charging from one geth to another instead of taking cover
>make it to the colossus and keep charging onto it
>move around to avoid rockets and aim every single shot at the colossus only
Ive done it with kal reagar still alive at the end twice now, if you do it earlier with either your charge/main power at anything less than 4, its almost impossible

>>718336253
Probably already was

>>718336691
>to get the only gun you need, the claymore
Based. I fucking love the Claymore.

>>718336253
god willing

>>718336691
>after every other person
Yeah I learned that the hard way after rushing her. I didn't have the claymore which made things even worse and soured me on that entire experience. I'll give another try somewhere down the line but that single encounter killed any enjoyment I had with the class.
>make it to the colossus and keep charging onto it
The issue is that on LE the colossus has a minigun attack it's been programmed to spam out. You cannot reliably spam charge onto him to finish the job and get it to about half hp before dying, the infinite geth spawning doesn't help. I usually just run up the right side and kill the colossus with the heavy collector rifle from where it can't hit me back now.

>>718337601
You might be right about everything you've said there, but with almost every single upgrade for shepbro (which is possible after collector ship mission with shops and mission drops) and your powers at level 4, it's completely doable
I was stumped at that fight too....came back later with maybe 3-4 loyalty missions done, everyone recruited and collector ship completed... And my shields held out barely if and when I got into the rhythm despite everything
It took a few tries, but its doable, barely
I'm pretty sure I was told by a friend to do it like you did too, and iirc, I was as arrogant back then and hell bent on charging till my dick fell off as I am today
>>718337145
Amem
Using anything other than a claymore on vanguard makes no sense
However, in me3 you get the lancer in the fanservice dlc, its a rifle with no ammo like in me1, it can be used to great effectiveness with a fully maxed out cryo ammo power