Thread 718329671

Is it just me, or is the writing (translation?) actually pretty bad?

eat your hamburgers apollo

>>718329671 (OP)
why did they changed the names? half of the wordplay is lost anyway and second half is total cringe

The writing and translation for the original trilogy is godtier.

DD/SoJ feel like a completely different franchise. Even if they are the same characters, they have different personalities and speak differently. I could never enjoy these.

I also kinda think I hate the presentation.

These types of games are usually make up for poor writing by being very charming and comfy, but this just feels an assault on the senses with the constant white flashes, screen shakes, whipping camera transitions, and the loud, shrill text sound effect. The font is extremely sterile and soulless and there is not even any way to adjust text speed, make it instant, or scroll back to previous text (a basic feature in every VN and adjacent game).

>>718329880
>The writing and translation for the original trilogy is godtier
Fucking LMAO

This is your mind on tranime

>>718330174
>Tranime

>>718331237
>homegrown organic 4chan term coined by oldfags to describe the rise of stinky brown people spamming tranny anime garbage
>this is bad for some reason because people didn't use the term before it was created

>>718331457
>the rise of stinky brown people spamming tranny anime garbage
This was an anime website ever since always newfag. You're a tourist trying to take over the website and you will never succeed.

>>718331237
>tranime been used since 2019
damn it's officially an oldfag term at this point

>>718331590
>smelly, brown turd world mutt trying to tell me that since the site used to have a few anime boards that it should now be a dumping ground for tranny moe, gacha, vtumor, moe garbage
Fuck off

>>718329880
>footfag has shit taste
like always

>>718332436
>moving goalposts
All I did was post Aqua. I did not post gacha or trannies or whatever else you are obsessed with. Now sit.

>>718329671 (OP)
It is
IIRC the very reason GBA versions (aka originals) were never localized is because Shu Takumi thought "no one in the West would actually enjoy these kind of games (read - VNs)"
So when they did decide to release them in the West they went overboard with localization (by trying to pander to western players) and moved the setting from Japan to America, which backfired with later installments (which is why people came up with Japanifornia joke)

>>718329671 (OP)
It's the fucking poster child of tranny rewrites

>>718333068
how did they localize Ryunosuke's game?
Did they change too much again?

>>718329671 (OP)
It's just you.
Sure, nowadays the switch in setting wouldn't be done, but hey this is a game from 2001, released in America in like 2006.
And I think that switch did a good job conveying more of the humor across.

I mean all of the names of the characters in Japanese are all word play to make a joke or say something about the character. That wouldn't come across if you just transliterated the names. So the pun approach allows foreign audiences to have a similar experience to those of Japan

>>718331457
Liar

>>718332436
>>718331457
>>718330174
Baiting or just retarded; either option is kinda cute though.

>>718329859
>why did they changed the names?
Because games are sold to make a profit. Selling a game about being a lawyer, in a genre which didn't exist outside of Japan at the time (it was 2005 when these games were brought overseas) was already a hard sale.
But doing that while it's specifically about a Japanese lawyer? Where nobody would understand the names? Yeah that would have bombed.

Besides, why not change the names? Some of the wordplay is conveyed this way, so what's the point of sticking to the Japanese?

>>718329671 (OP)
I’m a novelist and Trials and Tribulations is one of my favorite stories in anything ever.

Fight me.

>>718329671 (OP)
AA cases are only as good as their culprit. I barely remember any of the lead up to the final court session aside from the memes.

>>718333068
Why do you lie?
The first game was made to be translated, and even localized abroad. That's why outside of Maya's outfit, there is nothing specifically Japanese in Ace Attorney 1.
But Capcom didn't think it was worth it to bring it over then, since the GBA was a pretty niche machine, so why go through the effort to sell an incredibly niche game for it?

This is why games 2 and 3 (Justice For All and Trials & Tribulations) featured much more obvious examples of Japanese culture.

But by the time these games were ported to the DS, that made things a different story. The DS is one of the best selling game systems of all time, and was home to plenty of non-traditional genres of games. So AA was brought over then

>>718333550
NTA but honestly he's right tho. The overabundance of tranime shit that gets posted on this board is excessive and gets away of discussion of real games. I have no issue that there are boards like that on the site, but not everyone is interested in the creepy japanese side of the gaming industry

There´s a spanish translation of the GBA version of the first game that´s actually very accurate to the original japanese script and also has the characters use their japanese names. I gave it a try once, it´s pretty cool.

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/5728/

>>718333968
>The overabundance of tranime shit that gets posted on this board
Because you are on an anime website, fucking faggot.

>>718329671 (OP)
it has its moments. don't just write it off because it deviates from the original at points.
>inb4 milkshake brings boys to the yard joke
see, this is the kind of retarded nitpicking I'm talking about
>>718329859
because itonokogiri keisuke is hard to remember and pronounce and the pun would go over the head of foreigners?

>>718334069
>Because you are on an anime website
I'm on a video game board. Not a visual novel board, not a gacha board. Take your bullshit elsewhere fucking tourist.

>>718334149
gacha are videogames

>>718334149
>I'm on a video game board
On an anime website. Either stop being a fag or go back from where you came from, this isn't up to discussion.

>>718333068
Takumi made the first game vague enough about the setting on the chance that it might be localized, but after that didn't happen he went ahead and made the Japanese setting more obvious with the second game.
Fun fact, when the DS version was getting localized he wanted to do the English voice of Phoenix himself because he's his VA in the JP version

>>718334280
>go back from where you came from
I came from old /v/ where tranime slop wasn't infesting the board and making it hard for real gamers to get a genuine discussion in. I know you were still pissing and shitting your diaper at the time so you have no fucking clue what I'm referring to

>>718329671 (OP)
If you play the first game with the extra case, you've already seen basically everything the series has to offer. The cases are good to great, the characters are fun, the clues aren't retarded (all the time), and the whole experience is new enough that you're still happy. As the series goes on, eventually you get tired of the "try submitting every item to everyone" progression, the increasingly bullshit cases as the devs ran out of ideas, and watching a guy go "NOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOO!" for 3 minutes straight while he flips between one and a half static sprites, and unless your brain has already turned to mush, you realize you're not entertained and would be better off reading a normal VN. Or an actual book.

I guess you can play AA2 as well if you think Franziska is hot. I understand that.

>>718331590
4chan is not an anime website and the current state of /a/ illustrates that very well.
The only things that get discussed are normalfag shit that aired on American TV, and people only discuss it under the context of the dub.
>b-b-b-but seasonals!
It’s the same five or six guys.

>>718335568
>4chan is not an anime website
Saying that is genuinely a bannable offense, fyi.

>>718335568
That's because the seasonals are shit so there's nothing to talk about other than old stuff. Blame the industry.

>>718334280
This is the site that birthed the word “weeaboo” purely as a term of mockery, and moot himself cited Japnophiles as one of the cancers ruining the site as early as 2004.

>>718335568
>It’s the same five or six guys
I've been noticing this for a while on /a/

>>718335760
The “old stuff”, meaning a million Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball, and One Piece threads instead of actual older anime, good one.
Nobody in the history of this site who has made a statement along the lines of “New anime is shit, that’s why I watch old ones” actually watches anime in any meaningful capacity and “older anime” likely means YouTube clips of their favourite Toonamishit.
>>718335652
Please post the same decade old screenshot from /g/.

>>718335943
Well, some good stuff still comes out here and there. In the past few years there's a handful of shows I've liked.

>>718335943
>Nobody in the history of this site who has made a statement along the lines of “New anime is shit, that’s why I watch old ones” actually watches anime
I literally only watch oldkino I missed, and the occasional decent modern anime

>>718329671 (OP)
yeah the writing is pretty bad. I like the vibes and presentation though. The big IGI ARI or whatever that splashes over the screen with the SFX, then the BGM changes gears...

That's what it's all about imo, it's nice to get taken on a ride even if the subject matter is objectively pretty dumb

>>718336109
On average, there’s a decent amount of good anime every season. Low ends are usually in Summer/Fall with about 5-7 worthwhile shows (usually sequels), high ends in Winter/Spring with about 10-13 (usually originals).

>>718336134
>oldkino I missed
Please tell us all about how you just watched Yu Yu Hakusho (dubbed, of course).

>>718336219
I couldn't disagree more. It's not like I check the seasonal list religiously but most of the times I do there's not even one show I'm interested in. Not that there's anything objective here, it's just a matter of taste.

>>718336280
I watched Yu Yu Hakusho subbed. A few recent shows I watched were Shigurui and Video Girl Ai

>>718333978
No todos hablamos andaluz, Paco

I miss when 4chan posted good anime

>>718336309
I’d honestly say that’s more because you don’t actually like anime.
Every season has a good level of variety and even if one was just limited to originals, there’s a good balance between narou, cgdct, popular manga adaptations, and “arthouse” stuff taking up most of the lineup.
Like, there’s around 30+ new TV anime and ONAs a season, it’s more an inevitability a good chunk of it will just be good.

>>718336219
>there’s a decent amount of good anime every season
Good is pushing it. There's 5-10 mediocre shows and 1 or 2 actually good shows in a good season

>>718336462
>it’s more an inevitability a good chunk of it will just be good
sturgeon's law says otherwise

>>718336462
I do like anime, though. I've watched tons of it. I just have different standards and tastes than you, and you have difficulty comprehending this. I've spent a ton of time watching it and enjoying it, and I have a great appreciation for the art of animation.

>>718336459
Most “beloved” old 4chan anime were hated for a significant chunk of or their entire runs when they were airing.
Lucky Star posters in particular were Bronies before Bronies, and Haruhism made multiple boards unusable.

>>718333978
why do this? the DS translation is perfectly serviceable

>>718336479
Nah, not really.
>>718336553
I have only seen that used by people who want an excuse to not actually engage with a given medium while desperately trying to appear more intelligent for doing so.

>>718336573
Nah no matter how bad the industry gets, if you aren't shoveling the latest slop into your mouth then you aren't a real anime fan

>>718336573
>I have a great appreciation for the art of animation.
Saying this shows I was right actually. Anime is not the medium you go to if you like animation.

>>718336638
The fact that I don't like most slice of life automatically means like 80% of the shows of any given season aren't going to be something I'm interested in.

>>718336638
>don’t watch anime
>calls himself an anime fan

>>718336718
Americans when confronted with iyashikei.

>>718336621
>by people who want an excuse to not actually engage with a given medium
There are thousands of anime out there, even if only 10% of it were good there's still plenty to watch, so I don't know how that isn't "engaging with the medium" Since you say there's a decent amount of good anime every season, name all the ones you considered good last season.

If the Capcom localisation is so bad why has no one ever done a fan tl?

>>718336725
>if you aren't watching only the latest shit that gets released, most of which doesn't or won't get a real ending in the anime adaptation, then you aren't actually watching anime

>>718336459
Eeh, not really. Most of them were pretty bad in retrospect, some decent ones here and there and it's mostly the 90s classics anyway.

>>718333968
Please show me some actual discussion that doesn't devolve into incels like yourself screaming about /pol/ shit, trannies, and indians

fuck off with this off-topic discussion retards, go back to the shounen spic board >>>/a/

>>718337020
Wouldn't have happened if you didn't bitch about anime on an anime site filled with people who watch anime and have opinions on it.

>>718336809
If only 10% of anime were good, the majority of it would still be coming from the modern day since roughly half of all anime made came out after the year 2010.
Anyways, Spring 2025 anime were
>Shin Senpuu-den YAIBA
Wit studio re-adaptation of Gosho Aoyama’s original battle manga infused with his personal rewrites and Wit’s own flavor.
>Apocalypse Hotel
Another Cygames original that manages to be the most upbeat anime about humanity’s complete extinction(?).
>Ninkoro
Shaft classic in line with what their history would suggest, though the work it’s adapting leans more on their Gainax co-production history.
>Witch Watch
It’s no Gintama, but it’s a fine enough substitute for a comedy anime.
>My Hero Academia Vigilantes
Seems to be a JoJo S1 reunion work looking back, and that’s a lot of what makes the series work compared to the very sterile work bones often put into their other franchise titles, including the one this is descended from.

Off the top of my head.

>>718337093
This thread has proven that only two people here watch anime.

The last anime I watched was Pluto, which was pretty timely after having re-read Monster and 20th Century Boys. Then I decided I should read Billy Bat after I watched Pluto. I still need to check out the manga of Pluto too.

>>718337204
Try joining more threads then, newfag-kun.

>>718336909
>doesn’t or won’t get a real ending
Most one/two cour anime that aren’t already announcing a dozen sequels two weeks into release do tend to give the work a fitting ending. Recent one would be Ninkoro, which, despite being an ongoing manga, has a pretty seamless ending in the anime that doesn’t beget a season two.
I haven’t seen many anime that weren’t what I described at the start that also handicapped themselves by leaning on an ongoing manga to substitute their ending.

>>718337392
I join most of these and it often devolves into people talking about normalfag shit (ie Naruto) or holding up the most entry level “deep” anime possible as something significant (this time it was Video Girl Ai).

>>718337167
>>Shin Senpuu-den YAIBA
It has good animation, that's it
>>Ninkoro
It's literally the definition of average SoL slop, the fact you'd consider this good is proof your standard is incredibly low
>>Witch Watch
>it isn't as good as this old show that was better, but i'll settle because I have literally nothing else to watch
>>My Hero Academia Vigilantes
come on
Even if I accepted that all of these are good shows, these are 5 shows out of 30+ anime in a season. We'd get 5 or more good shows in a season in 2007, only difference is we get even more bullshit as well. Anime is worse, just accept it and deal with it

>>718337517
Turns out people watch anime for fun, not for internet cred.

>>718337517
>(this time it was Video Girl Ai)
Nigger I just said Video Girl Ai was a cool show I watched, the fact you'd consider it "deep" says more about you than it does about me

>>718337204
>>718337392
Anime nowadays is for normalfags only. Oldfag otakus moved on to light novels and visual novels. Anime is just entry-tier ads for the source material, which is better 99% of the time, or something a normalfag watches with his brain turned off.

>>718337778
Kinda like modern vidya.
But you probably haven't watched a lot of older stuff that you might enjoy.

>>718337867
Difference is /v/ has accepted the video game industry is fucked, /a/ is still in deep denial about it, or they get pandered to in a very specific way that they ignore all other elements of the shows they watch

>>718337586
>It has good animation. That’s it.
It’s also fun, which the more important part of an anime. It’s consistently high strung and full of energy and genuinely reminds me of TTGL or Code Geass (though without the gayshit) in terms of how focused on having fun it is.
>It's literally the definition of average SoL slop
Ninkoro is anything but average and this post already feels like it’s bitter about something.
Like, it’s a Shaft series carrying on the energy of works like Mahoromatic, Hidamari, or SZS. In fact, it carries a sense of sheer despair I haven’t felt since certain segments of SZS.
>come on
This is an incredibly weak rebuttal and I’m inclined to believe you never actually watched any of these or you watch anime as some kind of exercise in appearing a certain way.

>>718337645
So these people aren’t anime fans, they just like the shit they saw as a kid, thanks for agreeing with me.

>>718336589
autism
i love smart autism

>>718338010
>/a/ should be more like /v/ and only talk about twitter posts saying things are really shit and never actually form original opinions
Based!!!FACT!!!

>>718337778
this is true. watching anime feels like I’m watching AD for the original work. I’d rather read the source, which is much more engaging than just passively consuming it like a woman listening to music
reading and playing is better than just watching something

>>718338010
Some is still good, but not most of it.
But that aside, the thing with anime industry is that it cannot possibly fuck you over as hard as vidya industry does. Worst they can do is literally just making bad anime.

>>718338096
No one is agreeing with your retardation.

>>718338303
>passively consuming
That’s on you retard. You’re the one making how you engage with something a “passive” experience.
Anyways, most mangafags prove they barely engage with the manga whatsoever and primarily just speed read it one page at a time on their phone.

>>718338383
You’re implicitly agreeing, you’re just mad that I’m right.

>>718338681
Whatever you tell yourself to feel better I guess.

>>718338712
Hope you enjoy your Narutos.

>>718338043
>genuinely reminds me of TTGL or Code Geass
It reminds you of 2 better shows, I guess that's all you really need to be satisfied
>it’s a Shaft series carrying on the energy of works like Mahoromatic, Hidamari, or SZS
All better shows, that also weren't the best anime ever in the first place. Please I want you to tell me, what did you think made this show so good? I dropped it at episode 6, maybe I was just missing something but I don't have time to sit around watching 5/10 shows
>this post already feels like it’s bitter about something
>I’m inclined to believe you never actually watched any of these or you watch anime as some kind of exercise in appearing a certain way
>I literally can't fathom someone holding an opinion other than my own so I must psychoanalyze you as being disingenuous
Nah it's not that deep, I just think the 2020's have been a weak decade for anime, a whole lot of mediocrity and very few shows that will be remembered or discussed 10 years from now

>>718338762
Are the Narutos in the room with us right now?

>>718338781
>2 better shows
I mean, if you think Gayass is better than a lot of shit, that’s on you and your shit taste, but I raise the example to get the idea across for someone who hasn’t seen the series (You).
All you do is say “Yeah those older shows are better” but I sever ly doubt if you’ve seen any of them since all of your commentary is so vapid and so basic that I could switch out the names and the content would be completely unchanged.

>>718338806
Yeah, it’s fags like you who only watch shit like that.

>>718338568
its just the nature of the media. reading is an active hobby, like playing a video game. watching and listening are passive, like listening to music. there’s nothing that can change that.
sorry if that offends you for being a passive watcher of AD fanfics

>>718338990
>I mean, if you think Gayass is better than a lot of shit
I never said Geass was better than a lot of shit, it's actually very overrated by /a/. I was just saying it's better than Yaiba, well R1 at least, R2 really shat the bed. I guess you had to put words in my mouth so you can have a better reason to invalidate my opinion? Like I said, never claimed Geass was better than "a lot of shit"
>>718338990
>your commentary is so vapid and so basic
You also listed a bunch of shows you considered good and your main reasons for liking them were, "it reminded me of these other shows" or "It carries on the energy of other shows". I literally asked you what made Ninkoro good and you couldn't do it. I'm guessing you genuinely think it's better than Hidamari or SZS, which if that's the case we can stop the discussion here, no point in talking about this with someone so easily impressed

>>718339113
I mean you still have to read subs when watching anime, not sure what you mean then.

>>718339113
Reading itself is a passive experience the way most people engage with it.
Your brain autocompletes the words in your head for one thing, but the way people read manga is pretty much as passive as you can get.
Again, the majority of people I’ve seen on here read manga like this
>on their phone (not even a quarter of the size of a tankoban page)
>no real regard for TL quality
>one page only (even though manga compositions often invokes both pages)
>often these people will brag about “reading a chapter in three minutes”
It’s a joke.

>>718329671 (OP)
AA3 has a horrible translation. They got too wacky with it. 3-1 is just awful.

>>718339409
And I explained why I made those comparisons, because just saying “this is good” means nothing. A comparison serves to give an idea.
Anyways, you’re a complete normalfag who hasn’t seen any of these shows being talked about outside of maybe Gayass and TTGL. You outed yourself at various points in this post.

>>718339487
not only are you passively engaging, but you still have to read the fanfics of an american translator? grim...
>>718339505
let me use your quote then
>That’s on you retard. You’re the one making how you engage with something a “passive” experience.
also, at least they are getting the original experience, not a butchered adaptation of the work.

>>718339649
>being talked about outside of maybe Gayass and TTGL
What gives the indication that I seen TTGL but not Ninkoro? I literally haven't given any indication that I've seen TTGL, I guess it's arbitrary and only based on whatever is convenient to fit your narrative.
Ninkoro is a simple SoL anime with archetypal characters about a runaway ninja and an assassin. Every episode a ninja from the runaway ninja's clan comes to do harm to the runaway ninja and the assassin character kills them, it's like the shows only fucking gag. Also the leader of the runaway ninja's group is a side character along with her girlfriend.
I can see why you want so badly to retreat from this conversation, but I'll ask you again, what makes this show anything above average? What does it do so much better than Shaft's previous shows? What makes it special?

>>718339835
>the original experience
Again, one page at a time on a phone with shoddy at best TLs is probably the worst experience one could craft for themselves and that is what a majority of your people deem acceptable.

>>718340209
It sounds like Katanagatari but bad.

>>718340209
>retreat from this conversation
You’re the one who just goes “this is bad”, and then shows that you haven’t really seen anything I’ve talked about. Having a distaste for SoL while saying “Hidamari is better” really showcased that better than anything.

>>718340297
>shoddy at best TLs
so the same as any anime sub
>one page at a time on a phone
not everyone is a thrid without PC. I don’t know why you’re using normalfags as an example since they could also be counted for anime because they watch it at 2X speed
well... at least the manga readers are not watching fanfic of the work

>>718340559
>You’re the one who just goes “this is bad”
The only thing I've claimed is bad is Geass R2, these other shows I'm claiming are mediocre, not anything special. You really aren't fucking following the conversation are you? If your stance was strong you wouldn't have to make shit up constantly. It's actually kind of sad anon.
>Having a distaste for SoL while saying “Hidamari is better”
SoL anime aren't my favorite but some are better than others, that should be a given... I rather enjoy shows like Hidamari, K-On, Azumanga, Dragon Maid. But considering I'm not the biggest fan I only want to watch the best shit, not mediocre boring shit like Ninkoro which, you still have failed to explained to me why it's good. My guess is because you can't, but I'll stick around to see if you can prove me wrong. My guess is you'll say it looked pretty, which admittedly it did and is the only reason I made it 6 episodes in.

>>718340828
>so the same as any anime sub
Anime subs are on average far better than a manga fan translation, in addition to butchering the work less.
Subtitles are additive- they’re not altering what is being said in the sense that the spoken Japanese is still there. Manga translations innately have to remove the Japanese.
>not everyone is a thrid without PC. I don’t know why you’re using normalfags as an example since they could also be counted for anime because they watch it at 2X speed
I was using people I spoke to on this site as an example actually. That is how the majority of people here engage with manga.
>not watching fanfic of their work
Baki would love a word with you.

>>718340987
>the best shit
>Dragon Maid
>K-On
>calling Azumanga an SoL
Normalfag poser award is on its way.

>>718333273
He's still japanese and still travels to london, and all the names are intact EXCEPT for Sherlock himself

Supposedly this is a copyright issue with the Doyle estate where Sherlock himself is public domain but his friendlier personality is not (having only shown it in books not yet in PD) BUT Herlock Sholmes is already an established knockoff made up by Maurice Leblanc for his Arsene Lupin book so one could argue it's still faithful in a way

>>718341016
>That is how the majority of people here engage with manga.
/a/ has been dead for years, you can’t use what’s left of it as an example. also, the original content of this conversation wasn’t even about manga, it was about oldfags moving on to light novels and visual novels.

>>718341102
Being elitist on shows about underage characters doing mundane shit isn't the flex you think it is. If Ninkoro is what those types consider cream of the crop I'm comfortable being a normalfag.

>>718341512
That’s also people here dumbass.
And “oldfags” didn’t move onto LNs and VNs because those already existed and people still chose to watch the anime instead.
The only thing oldfags moved on from /a/.

>>718341546
You’re the one who raised fucking Dragon Maid and K-On as examples. Half convinced you just typed in “slice of life anime” chose the first three results.

>>718341619
>And “oldfags” didn’t move onto LNs and VNs because those already existed and people still chose to watch the anime instead.
dude /vn/ and /ln/ had to be moved to /jp/ because they were flooding /a/. you have no idea what you’re talking about.

>>718341712
>heh dude you don't enjoy the same stuff i do, you clearly don't watch anime
We get it anon, you've said it multiple times now. Why not search it up yourself to actually see if those are the first 3, because if they aren't it completely invalidates the point you made. But most of your posts have been invalid thus far, so at least you're being consistent

>>718341983
Because VN and LN have significant outside user bases. That happened long before /a/‘s own user base went into decline.

>>718341619
>The only thing oldfags moved on from /a/.
Can confirm. I'd rather discuss anime in other boards.

>>718333968
>>718334149
>>718334410
Old /v/ was filled with tons of pokemon posting and tons of casual anime reaction images. It's time to stop playing pretend.

>>718333817
>GBA
>Niche
Wtf bro? It sold over 80 million.
Less than original Gameboy but way more than NES.

>>718342675
There's no way you actually think this, right? Or maybe you haven't been here as long as you think you have.

>>718334545
Pretty much this. The first game on DS is an absolute classic top 100 game of all-time and it's all downhill from that moment onwards. Even the contradiction logic is better in the first game.

I don't think you realize how much exchange there was between all of the boards, especially on /v/, since it touched on so many topics.

>>718333817
>>718342958
And NTA but just to chime in those 80m GBAs were sold with like half the time on the market as the Game Boy. GBA was VERY successful as a handheld, it just got cut down in favor of the DS which did even greater numbers.

>>718343415
Yes, and it only got worse after gen 4.
With the B&W release the decision for the split was made.

>>718329880
hmm yes the godtier names of "Frank Sahwit" and "Sal Manella"

>>718329671 (OP)
>>718329859
Honestly, like, yeah, currently bad localizations are a problem, but having a knee-jerk reaction to all of them out of context is extremely retarded. Ace Attorney is an example of a good localization. Like, it's not a case of localizer changing character's name to be a reference to STD, actual thought was put into Ace Attorney localization, because puns in names are a huge part of the game's appeal and writing for the characters, they have to be translated, however, you can't have characters with English fucking names walking around in Japan, but if you don't adapt those names, then you literally just aren't doing your job at translating the game and conveying its appeal in another language.

>>718346339
There’s 25 Ace Attorney games?

>>718346569
I don't understand the question.

>>718346631
A11, A13, and A25

>>718346665
A stands for age. One of the hamburger localizers changed Esti Erhard's name into Esty Dee as a joke because her character arc is that she was boy crazy and wanted a husband not knowing that, ok, so in the game she was debuted in she was just a side-character, but in later games she becomes a fully fledged party member.

>>718346815
Ohhhhhhhhhhh

My japanese teacher agrees that the AA localization is terrible. The game is full of japanese stuff everywhere, related to buddhism and otaku culture. And yet they seriously keep pretending it takes place in america because now it's too late to stop. It's really fucking retarded when in every single case there just "happen" to be japanese stuff everywhere

>>718329880
Good feet shit opinion
>>718334073
>because itonokogiri keisuke is hard to remember and pronounce
How is Japanese harder to pronounce than English, it's read as it's written lmao

>>718347467
Kay - Sue - K - eh?

>>718347467
Funny enough, in japanese most characters just call him "Itonoko".

>>718347212
Ask your teacher how he would've tried to explain why there are people with English puns names in Japan and I can guarantee you he'll give you a dumber solution.

Also, Janet Hsu in her headcanon while localizing Ace Attorney explained that when she writes it she likes to pretend that America never went through "slap a jap" phase after WW2 and the cultural exchange was much accelerated.

>>718347615
/'keisɯke/

>>718347783
Just keep the japanese names, retard. Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde aren't called Dr Watashikorosu and Mr Kakureru in japanese. Just because someone might not know that "Naruhodou" means "I see" in japanese doesn't mean that you need to change the entire setting and context of a fucking story. What you're saying is ridiculous.

>>718348182
People just parrot what the translator said to save face from this embarrassing localization.
If they truly wanted to localize the puns Naruhodo would be called Roger (as in "roger, captain!")

>>718348431
His original name was Roger Wright you dumbass, they also had to include a reference to a mythical creature (Ryuichi) and no one in the West names their children fucking dragon.

The fact that the Investigations 2 fan-translation exists as it it's proof enough that the fandom loves Japanifornia.

JFA had a shoddy translation. I'm not just talking about actual errors (famously: The Miracle Never Happen) but also how the lines come off. I did a dub of 2-4 because I enjoy both Ace Attorney and voice acting, and a lot of the lines in 2-4, much moreso than anything I did in AA1 or AA3, felt unnatural.
Ace Attorney 1 is really well translated and one of the shining examples of localization that isn't hot garbage. AA3 has a generally good translation but has a few errors that hold it back from real greatness in my opinion.

>>718348182
NTA
You're a retard.

>>718329880
>footfag AND aquafag

>>718348182
Equating naming conventions in the West to naming conventions in the East, especially Japan, is beyond retarded. You are retarded.

>>718348762
Okay. How? Please explain how anything I said was wrong. You can't because it's literally just common sense.

>>718348959
How is comparing japanese pun names to english pun names retarded?

>>718349237
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde aren't puns for one.

>>718349394
That's your entire argument? That those obviously tongue in cheek names aren't funny enough compared to Naruhodo Ryuichi?

>>718349237
Because reader is not missing anything by not catching on to the meaning of the names of both Jekyll and Hyde, they are more or less just normal names. Ace Attorney names are fucking ridiculous even by the Japanese standards, they are meant to stand out, not translating them is intentionally foregoing the game's appeal. Most foreigners will get the idea behind Jekyll and Hyde regardless of the name.

>>718349583
that requires you to understand the Japanese language and let's be honest, the average consumer in 2004 isn't going to be able to do that.
I feel like people don't understand how things were back then because they're too young to have actually been there, and a sign that i'm a fucking fossil on this website.
>>718349672
And most people that aren't japanese are going to understand what Naruhodo Ryuichi means just from looking at it.
Why is this so hard to grasp?

>>718349583
Jekyll and Hyde are actual normal surnames that happen to have homophones. That also don't even make sense in the context of the story because Jekyll would be the violent personality if it was intentional.

Samefagging here because here's a question I have
Would you, back in 2004, understand these name puns in japanese, without having to look them up?
That's a leading question because we all know the answer is no.

>>718349980
>if it was intentional
Are you impying these names weren't intentional? The absolute state of localization defenders, jesus fucking christ

>>718349990
Five year old me didn't know how to read so probably not

>ITT Retards
The point of any localization is to make a game generally appealing for a mass market audience in a given culture.
Capcom decided that the game would be successful if the character names and topical elements were converted to be closer to American ideas. They were right.

An important thing to remember is, as always, you’re playing games intended for a young, casual audience that are being sold by a company that wants the title to reach hundreds of thousands of hands. AA would not be as successful if people couldn’t even remember most of the character names because they’re all immediately foreign and indistinct compared to “Phoenix Wright” and “Miles Edgeworth”.

>but this is bad!
Sure, but again, international company that wants a lot of money to justify releases. Video games are not an industry where a subset of a subset, that being Japanese game purists, could be catered to.

>>718350214
are we going to bring up that in Japanese the two characters get translated as "Jikiru" "Haido" or is that okay because it's japan who's changing names?
>>718350418
Also this, people do not understand how company's work or think.

That reminds me, early japanese translations of Sherlock Holmes changed the names to japanese ones.

>>718350580
that they did, i think it's really funny how
>Changes Japanese name to english name
>Zoomer Retards years later seeth and moan, posting retard threads like this one
>Changes English name to japanese one
>Crickets

>>718350214
The names happening to sound like kill and hide was most likely not intentional given which characters got which name and even if that was something the author had in mind it still wouldn't change the fact that it's so irrelevant most people wouldn't pick up on it unlike the Ace Attorney names.

>>718350418
>but this is bad!
>sure
All you need to know. Just because they did it because they thought it'd make more money doesn't mean that somehow you should defend it. It's still an awful translation. But at least you're honest about the reasons behind it. Instead of pretending it's trying to be faithful or professional in any way.

>>718351513
>retard doesn't know what professional means

>>718329671 (OP)
yes the localization is bad enough you can barely call it a translation and its to the extent that it sometimes effects the murder mystery gameplay. Its still pretty good because the game's concept is excellent but our version is undeniably an inferior one.

I love Ema!

>>718329880
>footchad
>aquachad
>objectively correct opinions

who the fuck cares about localizations or whatever
post AA girls

>>718351513
>It's still an awful translation. But at least you're honest about the reasons behind it. Instead of pretending it's trying to be faithful or professional in any way.
It literally is a textbook professional localization. This is the same shit they did to Pokemon, Macross, Dragon Ball Z, Digimon, Super Sentai, etc.

>>718351513
I like how you refuse to address when Japan changes names from other media to be more japanese.

>>718352485
have two of them.

>thread automatically ruined by aquafag spammer
Grim
>>718329786
Fpbp

franny pitsex

>>718329671 (OP)
the game relies heavily on japanese wordplay that has no direct translation in other languages. so you either learn japanese and get a japanese copy of the game or play a localized version of it. did they go overboard in some places? yeah. but they walked it back with each successive game in the series.

>>718348747
AA1 was translated by a different studio than the rest of them. Perhaps with JFA the new studio were still growing into their boots.

>>718350418
>>but this is bad!
Is it even bad?
I mean what are we losing here 'the intent of the artist?' that was inevitably going to be lost in any translation.
Either you fluently know Japanese, or you won't have the artist's intent.

Also, and I feel this way a lot of the time people here bitch about localization, this isn't fucking Don Quixote. This isn't some magnum opus people will want to study for generations, it's a murder mystery VN about lawyers. Or any other anime-type game.

If the localization isn't bad, what's the problem with it being different?

>>718353584
>I like how you refuse to address when Japan changes names from other media to be more japanese.
wow, almost like you're being completely disingenuous and using the sounds of the japanese syllabary to write names isn't the same as changing the name of the character.

>>718355095
>Either you fluently know Japanese, or you won't have the artist's intent.
Black and white thinking is a sign of autism
>This isn't some magnum opus people will want to study for generations, it's a murder mystery VN about lawyers. Or any other anime-type game.
So because you don't like anime then people aren't allowed to complain about bad translations? Retarded and completely arbitrary thinking

The fucking british characters in The Great Ace Attorney has names in the original version that are still japanese puns.

>>718355469
That's the thing anon, it's not a bad translation.

>>718355595
It is. See >>718348182

>>718355736
>see dumb bullshit that got completely shit on

>>718355841
So again you're not gonna bring a proper argument? "Some people may not understand the japanese pun names, this means we're gonna need to change the entire setting of the game and rewrite every character to be american now" wow, very faithful and great translation. I bet they teach that in english class. You're literally just defending the indefensible because this is the only version of the game you can play.

>>718356067
see >>718350418

>>718356431
See >>718351513

There's three japanese only musicals that uses the localization's names and setting (though the first one takes place in New York instead of Los Angeles).

>>718353584
>when Japan changes names from other media to be more japanese.
remember professor akuma? here you have him, ready to outwit space ninja gomes

>>718355469
Nigga, if the translation is bad, then yes. Complain away.
I specified that if the translation is good, or at least fine, then why give a shit?