Thread 718339689

Why are there American people who pretend to like this series?

No idea, it's weird.

I really like the first five and 11, though. 7 and 8 are ok. 6 and 9 can go fuck off. Not looking forward to 12.

I like the aesthetics and monster design (mostly) but god damn the games are trash.
I would've played more in the 90s or 2000s if I had more access/time to play them, but turn based shit now is a drag.
And no I won't use speed up mods because that's retarded.
Pic related was a blast though.

>>718340356
>"God these games are such a slog"
>Posts a game that's longer and grindier with worse content than most games in the series.
Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

>>718339689 (OP)
Damn OP

>>718340476
Monster tamers are different than 4 dudes in a row.

>>718341486
Come on, man. Only two of the first five games are that. And one of them is you + three chaps you built yourself. And the other isn't four dudes until the back half.

I don't care how much of a Pokemon boner you have, trying to pass off Terry's Wonderland as a good time when you're shitting on the very concept of turn based battles and complaining about tedium is nonsense. You know better.

1-2 idk, waiting on remaster
3 remaster was good
4 is great
5 is FUCKING GOD TIER
6 is good
7 is boring dogshit
8 is amazing
9 is mid
10 (LOL)
11 is good

>>718341812
>You know better.
You're wrong. Pokemon is vastly different from a traditional rpg. The games are still slow (and easy) but it's very different in approach.

>>718340545
This.
5=9>4>7>8>3>11>1>2>6
Never played 10.
Also if 5 and 9 are 10/10 then 6 is a 9.1/10.

>>718339783
>reddit spacing

>>718343168
Idk man 9 is just not that amazing. Story isn't great, looks like shit, music is mediocre compared to others, and this is someone who grew up with it and probably put a thousand hours into it. Gameplay is kino incarnate though
8>5>11>4=3>9>7>1>6>2

>>718340356
DQM series is pretty shit apart from Joker 1 and 2.

>>718339689 (OP)
I started dq in 2020. 8. 1-3. 4-6. 7. 11. 9, took 4 times until it clicked. Replayed the series a lot. 7 over 5 times. I've come to resent 11 over time. It's last on my list.
7,5,8,6,4, 2=3=1, 9, 11

why is the series garnering such b8 OPs lately
for a while it was rather calm in this regard

anyway,
i recommend trying the newest monsters entry. has its flaws, but i genuinely enjoyed playing and breeding.

>>718344898
>lately
it's summer.

>>718345029
ah
favorite dq?

>>718345029
Summerfags were proven by moot to not exist.

>>718345120
i like 5: debora edition

Kino.

>>718345183
moot claimed that the number of posters didn't change, but he never addressed the demonstrable drop in overall post quality.

>>718339689 (OP)
I'm not pretending, I love DQ.
I guess we're posting rankings
7 = 8 > 11 > 4 > 9 = 10 > 3 = 6 > 5 > 1 > 2

1 kino
2 kino if you don't use a guide
3 kino
4 GOLDEN GOD
5 kino
6 lesser kino
7 boring dogshit
8 lesser kino
9 kino
10 boring dogshit(yes I played it)
11 GOLDEN GOD
I didn't really like Monsters
Builders is a must play

dq11 is the worst jrpg ive ever played, id rather replay ff13, at least it has good music

>>718345356
nice
7 here

>>718345867
4 is fine

having to play "the beginning of a DQ game" like 4 times before the game actually starts is a major drag

3 > 4 > 5 > 1 > 2
I dropped 6 halfway
planning to pick up 11 soon.

Just beat 6. I liked exploring and grinding up jobs but it feels like they forgot to put in 80% of the story past the intro. Game feels aimless and overly long because of it even though it wasn't that much longer than 5. Did anyone else screw themselves out of recruiting Amos or am I just retarded?

>>718346361
Nah I'm a sucker for that shit. I love it

Here are my options:
1-3 superfami remake with fan translations
4-6 ds
7-8 3ds
9 ds
10 n/a
11 pc?

Are these acceptable versions of each game?

>>718346461
6s bigger problem on SNES(I can't speak to the DS game) is that it's an annoying slog of unlocking some new shit just to find its fucking useless because the next place you need to go is in the other world, and the NPCs do a terrible job of telling you where it is you're supposed to go, and they keep bait and switching between who the real true final boss bad guy is until the last hour or two of the game.

>>718346476
it's neat in terms of presentation especially for 1990 or whenever it came out but mechanically the beginning of a DQ game is the worst part since there's really nothing you can do except grind and attack

>>718339689 (OP)
I seem to prefer the spin offs over the mainline games, but I've also not committed to most of the mainline games. Played some of 3, and finished 8 and 11, but I get so much mileage out of the Builders games and, more recently, the Treasures game.
They're cute games with generally strong gameplay, and I like the artstyle.

Americans have better taste in Japanese games and culture than Japanese people do. For example, Mario and Sonic in the 16 bit era were mostly enjoyed by Americans. Not "the West", no, Europeans are retarded and hate kino. But only because Americans are awesome and chad as fuck did we get all the great Sonic and Mario games. Nintendo 64 failed in every region except North America, where it was wildly popular. And rightfully so, because it was way better.

>>718346659
That's a fair point, that said I love the characters in 4 so much that it's a treat to play through their distinct intro chapters for the entire back half of the game to be this reservoir dogs group of heroes with unique motivations all coming together for a common goal that singularly achieves each of their individual goals

>>718346461
>Did anyone else screw themselves out of recruiting Amos or am I just retarded?
it's easy to miss the trigger if you're not overly thorough during his scenario, you're not missing much however, he's more of a secret extra easter egg kind of character than anything, I did get him by accident but there's not much of a point to him other than the novelty of recruiting a character that you weren't expecting

>>718345359
This and Jokers are the only DQ games you need

>>718346558
NES version of 4
PS2 version of 5 with beautiful orchestrated soundtrack

>>718347053
I never liked the NES versions and for that I played 4 DS with the partychat patch
Hard agree with V PS2

>>718339689 (OP)
I love class switching and I love dq9

I'm being filtered

>its another 'final boss casts disruptive wave that undoes all of my buffs and his debuffs, gives himself a second turn to buff himself and also attacks me' episode
DQ has immaculate combat besides this one fucking thing

They're fine comfort food, they don't have to be some weirdly revolutionary thing. Final Fantasy tried that, and look how that ended up.

>>718347548
Attack more, buff less

>>718347548
can't be too greedy with buffs/debuffs late game, disruptive wave should be a free action in your favor

>>718346558
7 PS1 and 8 PS2 instead
11 original on PS4 is superior to S on a first playthrough.

>>718349735
>11 original on PS4
Why PS4 specifically? At least on PC you could mod that version for the orchestral music

>>718346558
Also
>10 n/a
You can play 10 in English via a fan mod if you live in America or use a VPN. The VPN could be iffy, but the people at Square are okay with the mod to play 10 in English, the current director of 10 even follows the lead dev of the mod on twitter.

>>718349952
Does the original still exist on PC? I thought it got replaced like Dark Souls 1 and other games typically do. If you can get your hands on the original version on PC, then yeah that's fine

>>718350053
Ah yeah, it did get replaced by S, I remembered there being keys available after the fact still but it seems they're sold out. Looking into it though, seems there is a mod to port over the original assets into S for what it's worth https://sites.google.com/view/dqxi-commands/faqs/about-project-rebuild

>>718350506
Well the better models and stuff are nice, but it sucks you're gonna have to put up with the extra content in the second half of the game that kills the pace and spoils you on stuff that you're supposed to be wondering about, instead of letting you guess.

It's got weird trans shit in it now so the troons psychotically defend it and pretend that they buy copies when they obviously don't. They stopped putting the trailers in the American nintendo directs so expect it to become japan only again, probably after twelve.

>>718349952
He's talking about how the original release's graphics were better than S's reduced ones caused by being a separate version of the game made for Switch first and ported outwards. But honestly, as much as the Lightmass graphics changed how the game looked quite a bit, I'd say S shouldn't be seen as a poor substitute given the wealth of content and changes.

>>718350983
XII is going to be the last DQ anyways, so it doesn't really matter.

>>718351064
I wasn't talking about the graphics at all actually, I was referring to the very unnecessary content added into act 2 that ruins elements of the story at that point.

>>718350878
Oh, not a fan of the extra content then? I thought it was a graphical thing since that's what I see most people vouch for when it comes to the older version. I think I'll disagree on the extra content killing the pace, personally, but I think it's a matter of perspective then. I think it helps with the build up for the second act, and leaves you wondering if the characters got up to anything else after you stopped controlling them, kinda like DQ4's early chapters did. But, fair enough, everyone's got their own preferences.
>>718351064
Oh no that's what I thought too, though I'll say for me having only the synth music available does lower the appeal of the PS4 version specifically compared to almost any other version, hence mentioning the orchestral mod on PC. I think there's a couple tracks I prefer the sound of synth (namely the regular battle theme), but I think orchestral is much better over all.

>>718351107
>XII is going to be the last DQ
I'm not super knowledgeable about this series so I'm curious why that would be the case.

>>718351225
>I think it helps with the build up for the second act, and leaves you wondering if the characters got up to anything else after you stopped controlling them
Personally I felt like there was a lot more to wonder about when they didn't show it, and let the world feel hopeless. Plus since you see everyone else before getting to meet back up with them, it puts the expectation in your head that something different happened to either Serena or Veronica, which makes Veronica's death much less of a sudden gut punch.

>>718351380
Sugiyama and Toriyama both passed away, Horii is old and the only one remaining of the trio that made DQ what it is, so XII is taking extra long to honor those who passed on, but also because its very likely going to be Horii's final game before he retires, lest he suddenly kick the bucket too during development of the next one.

>>718351452
That's fair enough, I can see the hopeless world angle, but in my eyes I think building up the few pieces of staggering hope in that world before the party's all back together, and seeing how that happened for yourself rather than just hearing about it helps it feel more personal. As for the sisters, if anything I felt the fact they're omitted keeps you more on edge about it personally, left you wondering just why you wouldn't get to see them when you saw everyone else, only to then finding out what actually happened. The glaring absence builds up tension more than anything, but fair enough on the suddenness in vanilla helping it feel like more of a punch. I think there's value to both approaches.

Is the remake of III good?

>>718351841
If you like HD-2D its pretty good

>>718339689 (OP)
>>718340545
11 was good.
>>718344221
>>718343590
11>1

>>718351841
It's fine, expands some stuff, a new class around taming monsters, a little extra endgame thing with that you can tackle if you want, adds some extra lore to tie into 1&2. At its heart it's still 3, so if you like 3, it's really just the presentation and quality of life that is the big decider there.

>>718351841
if you've played the game before sure, if not I'd play the prior versions instead

>>718351225
Yeah I totally get where you're coming from, and I do like that take-comparing it to DQ4's structure is honestly a good point. I think it's one of those cases where how much you enjoy it depends on how attached you are to the "mystery" of events unfolding off-screen. I just felt like some scenes gave too much away or resolved arcs too neatly when it would’ve been more impactful to leave them ambiguous until later. But hey, I can’t argue with the added content being *well made*, just felt a little too tidy for my taste pacing-wise. Still a damn solid version overall.

>>718339689 (OP)
>Why are there American people
A blight the existence of which is forever a mystery

>>718339689 (OP)
Such a deep and complex series haha

>>718353863
>Be fat
>Stupid
>Still the most powerful nation in the world
I love being an American. Secondly, I love hearing people like you cry about us everyday.

>>718352149
Why do you say that?

5>>>>4>6>8>>>>7
havent played the others

>>718339689 (OP)
DQ is just way too plain. Like they were perpetually stuck as Final Fantasy 1 to 3.

>>718340476
Combining monsters into more powerful monsters is one hell of a dopamine hit. Kids will forgive a lot just for that stuff.

Hopefully they don't waste time remaking the DS games/remakes. Just throw them in a collection with some QoL additions and not horrible translation. Remaster 7 and 8 to look as good as 11, based off the 3Ds versions of course. 10 as a single player game would be cool too. Just make these games accessible on modern platforms god damn

>>718339689 (OP)
It's a basic RPG with simple gameplay.
Sometimes that's all you want/need.

>>718358139
>10 as a single player game would be cool too. Just make these games accessible on modern platforms god damn
Oh they already did that. We just didn't get it. Because of course we didn't. https://youtu.be/bi-AZSUzOn4

>>718358539
>NOOOO WHY ISNT DQ SELLING IN THE WEST
>*Gives us shit midi music for the western releases,give the games horrible translations, barely ever release the games,don't advertise them etc..*
>SIGH guess nobody wants these games sigh....

>>718358743
At this point I think Japanese studios in general just kinda really fucking hate the idea of localizing things where it makes sense. DQX Offline would be a great tide-over title during this whole retro renaissance the industry is sucking down, but nope, can't have nice things, much less DQX itself.

>>718339689 (OP)
Anyone beat DQ11 in 2D? Is it worth it?

>>718351568
sadly DQ is too big of a name in japan so what will happen after Hori retires is that the franchise will just be handled by others

>>718339689 (OP)
Not angling for arguements, but if I really, really enjoyed 11 then which one should I play next? And how should I play it?
I've consistently heard great things about 5. It isn't on the switch, though. Will I need to emulate it?

>play DQ with fan translation
>look at wiki
>every single name was changed in the english version for no reason, even ones that had perfectly normal non-japanese names
why do they do this? why?

>>718359926
You should play the PS2 version of 8 next.

>>718360472
DQ sold like shit in the West, so they thought giving everyone the most annoying accents known to man would make it stand out more in the Western market, or something. That and a lot of the humor doesn't really translate well so they just replace it with le funny accents instead.

>>718360817
Worked for xenoblade.

>>718359926
DQ's basic gameplay had been pretty consistent throughout the series, so you should be good there. DQ1 is something you play as a historical curiosity, though, It's just a lot of grind.

Why the hell are they remaking 7 instead of giving us a definitive version of 8 or 5

>>718360882
Xenoblade 2's dub was so bad that it finally made me start learning Japanese.

>>718339689 (OP)
>it's impossible that anyone could like something I don't like...
Why are autistic weirdos like this?

>>718360904
>he wants a 3rd remake of DQV
cmon man

>>718358539
the offline version of 10 sucks ass. just play 10 online with the fan translation, in a couple weeks the free trial is expanding from the 1st expansion to the 3rd expansion, so that's literally hundreds of hours of free play

>>718360979
>he wants a second remake of 7

>>718361060
yeah, maybe this time we'll get a good game. you have 3 good versions of DQV already, DQ7 has 0

What are the games with actual party members instead of boring avatars? 11 was fantastic but 9 was dog shit and I dropped it after a few hours. Haven't played the rest.

>>718361392
4
5
6
7
8

>>718361392
I played 1 and it wasn't for me. Perfect, my list is now 50% bigger.
11>9>1
>>718360927
If the Welsh cat did nothing for you, you have no soul.

>>718340356
Whitoids really thought this shit was more appealing than Toriyama's designs

I played some DQ3 HD-2D today and I'm enjoying it, but it leaves me wondering why they went with the weird belt-scrolling camera instead of top-down. I guess that's just the "thing" with doing HD2D since that's how Octopath Traveler was?

>>718344898
>why is the series garnering such b8 OPs lately
Paid advertising by SE.

>>718359261
>after Hori retires is that the franchise will just be handled by others
He quite literally owns the IP newfag

>>718358743
>>*Gives us shit midi music for the western releases
People keep saying this in spite of XI having midi in ALL regions, and every other instance except one being the same shit.
>give the games horrible translations
A literal non-factor considering every remotely successful DQ game had said translations, and shit like Ace Attorney is extremely popular in spite of having even more over the top translations.
>barely ever release the games
Literal falsehood.
>don't advertise them
There was an E3 wherein SE advertised DQXI S and Builders 2 about five fucking times in the same night.

>>718362234
you're right anon once he retires he can never license out the IP or continue to allow armor project to work on the franchise. he's taking his ball and going home while obliterating his company on the way out

>>718362445
In all likelihood, mainline DQ will end with him, which is all that really matters.
Spin-offs and remakes (probably) will continue, but it's doubtful that they'll suddenly start doing a DQXIII with none of the original staff after 40 years.

>>718340356
>>718339689 (OP)
was my first game when I was like 5-6, loved it
didn't play others until later, 4/5/11
tried 6/7, didnt care
I like the hero vs demon lord trope and I think 4 did that best while 5 had the best protag story

7 is good and I'm tired of pretending it's not

Since Horii acknowledged that the silent protagonist is fucking retarded at this point, I hope DQ12's protagonist is at least more expressive. The Luminary dragged down every cutscene with his blank stare.

>>718361049
>the offline version of 10 sucks ass.
Huh, why's that? I played Offline a bit with my mediocre Japanese and it seemed fairly decent, basically just classic DQ with overworld encounters for the most part. I don't tend to enjoy online games all too much, so Offline as an option is more appealing to me.

>>718345359
Stops being fun when you realize can just shoot yourself into their tank and slaughter their entire crew on CD while your team does all the tanking

>>718350983
I don't know why localizers decided to be fucking retarded about this since there are "she slimes" (originally red slimes) that are male and one of the fucking games even notes this, so it's just extra retarded.

I fucking hate SE's localization department and want to bury every last one of them alive in cement.

>>718339689 (OP)
Playing 3-HD, it's legit good but my biggest complaint is the god damn music, would it hurt them to add some variety? Why do they do this? Is it that they wanted to stay as close to the original as they could? Why not add all OST variations as an option? (NES, SNES, GBC), is it because of Sugiyama's shenanigans?

I feel DQ is best when it focuses on gameplay and blank slates characters (1,3,9) rather than story (4,7,8).
DQVIII is fucking overrated, it did NOTHING for the genre, generic as fuck, characters barely talk after they join except for Yangus and the King and on PS2 there were a LOT of solid JRPGS so I am unsure as to why it stood out, I feel that XI is better save for the godawful field and battle music.

>>718343168
I feel IX is the best and found III much better than VIII and IV by a long shot.

>>718364050
>Why not add all OST variations as an option? (NES, SNES, GBC), is it because of Sugiyama's shenanigans?
Welcome to Square Enix shenanigans in general. They've been incredibly inconsistent when it comes to giving the option to use classic music when they remake/remaster a game. Off the top of my head...
Doesn't have a classic music toggle
>NieR Replicant 1.2whatever
>Dragon Quest 3 HD2D
>Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters (originally)
>Live A Live
Has classic music toggle
>Trials of Mana
>Super Mario RPG
>Romancing SaGa 2 (they went out of their way to arrange brand-new tracks created for the remake in the classic style too which I think is very commendable)
>Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters (post console release)
>Legend of Mana
Feels like they're flipping a coin to choose which games get it as an option and which ones don't, shit's weird.

Are either of the musou games any good?

>>718364050
If 8 is overrated then 11 is even worse.

>>718339783
fuck off. 9 is the fucking TITS. I purposefully took bus rides just so my dsi could ping a bunch of people and get all the fucking cool maps

>>718344221
>started in 2020
>replayed 7 over 5 times
Holy autismo, who the fuck replays a 100 hours offline JRPG in such a short timeframe?

>>718341486
>4 dudes in a row
It's 4 niggas in a row. Say it right.

>>718345183
>>718345440
As far as I'm aware, summerfag originated because of somebody who said "I'm not new, I've been here all summer" not because of an alleged increase in retards during the summer. That interpretation was after the fact. I think, iirc.

I wonder if instead of a mainline game after XII we'll get a new series with a new team to continue Dragon Quest.

>>718343168
I like 6 is better than 1 and 2 for sure, I mean c'mon.

>>718343168
You should really try DQX if you liked 9

>>718370936
Forgot to mention, there's a fan english translation available for the online version. You don't have to play with anyone either, you can set up a party of NPCs to level with you.
https://dqxabbey.com/pages/getting_started.html

>>718370269
after xii
i request ebin mashup of
>monsters
>builders
>treasures
>mystery dungeon

>>718339689 (OP)
8 and 11 are enjoyable even if you don't like JRPGs.
Nowadays there's DQ heroes 2, and DQ builders 2.

From 1 to 7 I don't know.

How do you people bitch about Final Fantasy needing to return to turn based but at the same time bitch about Dragon Quest

>>718345359
Great game but absurdly easy to the point of requiring heavy handicaps.

>>718339689 (OP)
I've played 9, 11, and I'm currently playing 3. I kinda hate how the HD-2D look though and i kinda wish the remake had just been the SNES port.

9>11>3

>>718339689 (OP)
It’s better than Ultima.

>>718339689 (OP)
Weebs don't actually like video games, games are social to them. So they like whatever you are required to like to fit in with a certain group, like jrpg weebs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po2KYy6MgfE
>she's not just some bonus or post game thing, the princess of cannock really is full featured as a party member

>>718378463
This, they always trash their own games

>>718342121
>5 is FUCKING GOD TIER

>>718347053
>NES version of 4
>PS2 version of 5
I honestly prefer the DS versions of both

>>718343947
Joker 1 is the worst DQM, you're crazy.
J2, J3, and the remakes of 1 and 2 are great, though.

>>718342967
I guess I was wrong. You don't know better.
Sad stuff.

>>718362879
On the PS4 version, on the N3DS the hero has a lot of expressions on par with the other characters, not talking though.