Thread 718347014

the game was good but its bewildering that it developed such a cult for an 4/5 star game. its just bizarre

i've only ever beaten metroid 1 for the nes and the pre sotn castlevanias so i'll fully admit im not a genre expert

and my dumbass made this on the wrong board, my bad

Hollow Knigga

>>718347014 (OP)
it's good but it's not the greatest game to grace the genre like people make it out to be.

>>718347014 (OP)
Is OP me? Fully agree.

>>718347015
What board other than /v/ did you plan to make this on?

>>718347014 (OP)
Yeah, it was OK but nothing that warranted such a disproportionate amount of praise. But that blacksmith being gay really ruined it for me.

>>718347014 (OP)
It came out during a time when tripla A games were boring the fuck out of people. This was a lot of normie's first foray into what they'd consider an indie game, so they were mindblown that it dared ask you to consult the map and chart your own path (they never played Metroid)

I didn’t bother with the boss rush

>>718347458
There were lesbian bugs, too. Just saying.

>>718347585
That princess or whatever? Yeah, that also ruined it for me. Fucking making the bugs gay.

>>718347014 (OP)
Some of the worst map design in modernvanias, even for it's time. No idea how it got the praise it did.

>>718347014 (OP)
>Obnoxious map design (obtuse fast travel points, navigating convoluted obstacle courses multiple times just to traverse)
>Most bosses grant zero upgrades or minuscule rewards.
>Save points are MILES away from bosses
>Every reward (crests, idols, treasures) all just resort to Geo and nothing else
>Geo becomes worthless once you reach the middle-end of the game
>Can't see where you are on the map unless you use a compass charm (retarded)
>Nail upgrade guy is tucked away in a corner you can easily miss
>The game is retardedly hard, until you realize you can upgrade your nail which makes it stupid easy.

And worst of all: The story isn't presented well at all.
The entire game only starts to make sense at the very end, when you come across something that tells you that the pale king is trying to stop the infection, which is being caused by a light/moth God thing.
The game is pure gibberish until you figure that out and once you do, it still doesn't make sense.
Even the fucking 2 hour long lore video about the game still is like "The game doesn't say..." every three seconds. This is a retarded concept of worldbuilding. Just throw in a bunch of nonsense poems and idoms, then scatter dead bodies with cryptic messages around the game, and pretend like you made something deep.

>>718347014 (OP)
Now do the actual ending, the game is only just starting

>>718350915
>actual obstacles are scary
>complaining about an exploration game requiring a sense of direction
>obsession with story in video games
Sounds like a brain issue

I tried it out for a while and refunded it for Blasphemous.

>>718351162
good choice

>>718347014 (OP)
you have the keep in mind that when it released that nintendo had a huge drought of any games, let alone good games at the time. the switch was the reason why the game became such a huge hit, it barely had any PC sales at all despite being released for PC first.

>>718347014 (OP)
Is there a way to access royal waterways without a simple key?

>>718350915
weird, those are my complains about metroid also but it's still the bets game ever and can't do no wrong according to people

Most metroidvanias are casual dogshit. Only hollow knight and la mulana are good. People mistakenly think they are playing a platformer when they waste time on this genre, only to smash into really video games like these and get asshurt.

>>718351092
Obsession with story in video game is most definitely a brain issue on my end, but I feel like the game led me on with all of it's poems and ancient riddles and stupid shit like that only for there to be no explanation behind most of it. Even Skyrim, which is full of shit writing, still had tons of subtle ways of answering questions. Like that lighthouse rat murder quest on the icy coastline where you read about the dead fathers wishes while investigating and if you take the time to put his ashes in the fire so he can furfill them you get a sick spell.
That shit was fucking baller.
Why couldn't hollow knight have more of that?

Obstacles are scary the first time, but typically after you clear an obstacle course you are allowed to pass by without having to do it over and over and over again, right?
Then it just becomes tedious work.

>complaining about an exploration game requiring a sense of direction
In open world this is totally fine, but when you are a rat in a maze like in Hollow Knight, you have ZERO sense of direction the first time you play. You can't just be like "go down" because every way is blocked.
The only people who scoff at the idea of using the map are the people who have played the game 99999 times and have the muscle memory. Total BS.

Homies over hoes

>>718350915
>>Nail upgrade guy is tucked away in a corner you can easily miss
>>The game is retardedly hard, until you realize you can upgrade your nail which makes it stupid easy.
a story in two parts

>>718351509
>Obstacles are scary the first time, but typically after you clear an obstacle course you are allowed to pass by without having to do it over and over and over again, right?
>Then it just becomes tedious work.
There is an achievement to beat hollow knight in under 2 hours. The routing in this game is glorious. If you play crap like elder scrolls it's highly likely video games are just not for you.

>>718351542
if TC are smart they'll make a gift type of item a collectible that you can give to npcs for dialogue

>>718351254
Through the fungal wastes

>>718351357
The original metroid? Dude I agree that game is fucking trash.

Super Metroid is great though. Has better map and rewards though. Can still be cryptic but the map is a lot smaller and the game is a lot shorter so it doesn't anger me as much.
Better than HK for sure, but I get it if you don't like it.

It's crazy that /v/ is even dumber than normalfags now. Imagine complaining about this game then admitting you like skyrim. Old /v/ would roast the shit out of these retards.

>>718347014 (OP)
It's competently made. It does what Metroidvanias are supposed to do. Name one thing about you hate and it's practically guaranteed to be strictly a preference thing.
It's also artsy fartsy and capitalized on the market during somewhat of a drought.
4/5 is very solid for a popular game. Most retards flock to 2/5 garbage like Bald'n'Gay3 because they're so broken and demoralized that they'll eat their shit and ask for a refill just because someone was generous enough to sprinkle a pinch of salt on it.

cheap, accessible, meaty game that introduced a generation to metroidvanias. was 15 dollars on release, it's very good value and that spread it via word of mouth very fast.

Do you guys think the pale king is in charge of the new kingdom we explore in silksong? It’s heavily implied that he’s not dead and just fled like some jobber bitch after the CHADiance styled on him and his kingdom

seeing people complain about HK's map and mapping mechanics is both amusing and sad seeing as its the smartest thing the game did and I pray to god >silksong doubles down on it

>>718351593
>There is an achievement to beat hollow knight in under 2 hours
means literally nothing. There is an achievement in TheEndIsNigh to beat the intro level which is literally meant to be impossible.
The game took most people like 30 hours to beat the first time (with the true moth kill ending).

>If you play crap like elder scrolls
I'm tried of the casual skyrim slander, I don't care if it's an NPC game, that lighthouse quest got my dick hard.
You can shit on it all you want, but the fact that Skyrim of all games outpreformed hollow knight in that department really says something about it

>>718351765
>Old /v/ would absoltuely ADORE this chibi-art indie reddit game!

>>718352063
>I'm tried of the casual skyrim slande
No dude, if you like ANY elder scrolls game your opinion is not important. You are the equivalent of someone who reads genre fiction having an opinion on literature. Go to /ck/ and argue which fast food restaurant is the best, that's more your speed.

>>718352063
Not him but the lighthouse quest was indeed rather comfy. It was retarded, and even got annoying with how hard the game screamed the hints at you in the family's journals (nobody fucking writes their diaries in such an expositional manner, cringe trope), but the way the game structured the quest still felt like someone genuinely cared enough to make an adventure out of it. Reminds me of the ghoul quest for T-51b power armor in F3, also the only quest in that game that someone actually cared enough about to make decent.
Only shame was the fact that the final boss was just an upscaled chaurus instead of some incredibly grotesque uniquely modeled broodmother.

>>718352272
Midwits will enter their graves never grasping the divine truth of who admires simplicity and who admires complexity.

>>718352347
>comfy
Why do only people with severe brain damage use this word

>>718352470
It's an informative word that encompasses multiple game design aspects which are too complex to sit around explaining and expanding upon in a casual conversation and in fact nobody needs such explanations outside of low IQ autismos like yourself who can't grasp basic emotions and can't navigate abstract concepts that humans with triple digit IQ understand on a fundamental instinctual level.

>>718352469
How long did it take you to fish that turd out of the toilet? Now write a massive text wall doing mental gymnastics trying to explain why a fetch quest is somehow quality because it has a skeleton in a bathtub.

>>718352272
there's nothing wrong with enjoying genre fiction and I'm tired of pretending there is

>>718352589
It's a made up buzzword for people who can't articulate what they like about games because they just absent-mindedly consume them. You're not "comfortable" admitting you cynically view games as digital heroin and that you're repulsed by effort because your brain has withered and lacks elasticity. Much like a muscle, without stimulation the brain will wither and obstacles will cause it pain rather than joy. It just speaks to your general behavior.

>>718352272
>You are the equivalent of someone who reads genre fiction having an opinion on literature.
I fail to see anything wrong with this.

>>718352735
Genre fiction is for people who are too dumb to read history and mythology, and too normalfaggy to read manga as a pulp outlet. It's okay to watch a trashy movie once in awhile, anyone can enjoy a bit of schlock, but someone who's entire identity is consuming trash is an annoying and boring individual. It's like that here now.

>>718352589
it's actually the opposite of informative, it means nothing. It's like calling something fun or good, those are conclusions, not points to make in an argument. Just another phrased passed around by people who are already agree in agreement rather than a tool fit for discussion

>>718352941
>too dumb to read history and mythology
lol

>>718352617
>How long did it take you to fish that turd out of the toilet? Now write a massive text wall doing mental gymnastics trying to explain why a fetch quest is somehow quality because it has a skeleton in a bathtub.

>>718352941
>Genre fiction is for people who are too dumb to read history and mythology
I actually see it the opposite way.
To me, genre fiction is much more akin to mythology or history because it's all centered around plot and narrative rather than vague themes or vibes. You can have both, of course.

>someone who's entire identity is consuming trash is an annoying and boring individual
Get this fantasy you have of me out of your head.
It's not my entire identity, We just have a difference of opinion-
You say it;'s trash, I say it's better than whatever the fuck Hollow Knight is.

>>718347014 (OP)
11/10 artstyle and atmosphere, 5/10 gameplay

>>718352617
>why a fetch quest is somehow quality because it has a skeleton in a bathtub
LITERALLY HOLLOW KNIGHT.
The game just scatters dead bodies everywhere and acts like it's deep.

>>718353040
How is lotr a better adventure than Caesar's account of his war campaigns? It's just watered down faerie tales and mythology. Genre fiction will never be even 1% as good as the Iliad.

>>718353162
>genre fiction is much more akin to mythology or history because it's all centered around plot and narrative
Mythology is not focused on plot and narrative. Quite the opposite. No real literature is like that.

>>718353283
>How is lotr a better adventure than Caesar's account of his war campaigns

>>718352735
It's a waste of time, I agree it's ok in moderation but it's the equivalent of eating junkfood.

>>718353259
Hollow Knight understands that wiki lore is not important and what matters is that elements cohesively fit in an environment rather than hamfistedly scattering narrative bread crumbs everywhere to string along dysgenic trailer trash.

>>718352760
>can't articule
Don't need to*, assburgers-kun. The fact that you view everything as some kind of equation or technical question doesn't mean you're smart or analystical, it means you're a redditor who makes posts on his twitter page about how we're SKELETONS controlled by ELECTRICITY and we're all MADE OF CRUSHED STARS. Retard.
>>718352963
>it's actually the opposite of informative, it means nothing
It means nothing to you on account of your abysmal cognitive abilities.
>It's like calling something fun or good, those are conclusions, not points to make in an argument
That's a very informative way of letting me know you're a narcissist (also strictly a retard affliction on account of the smart people having enough intelligence to be self-aware), since you think the world revolves around you and everything is an argument if you want it to be an argument and everyone owes you an explanation. No, I wasn't presenting arguments to that anon as to why that quest is so good and well designed. I was agreeing with him on something we had in common. It wasn't about you, future transfem.
>Just another phrased passed around by people who are already agree in agreement rather than a tool fit for discussion
If you think discussion = argument, ALWAYS, you're too obnoxiously bitter, on top of being stupid and self-important, to be worthy of having discussions with.

>>718350915
>Can't see where you are on the map unless you use a compass charm
That's a good thing. Learn to read a map. Identify your location based on landmarks and the environment around you.

>>718353420
You're having a mental breakdown now.

>>718353420
Nah, he's right. The Gallic War is one of the craziest things I have ever read in my entire life.

SILKSONG
TOMORROW
HORNY'S GAME TOMORROW

>>718350915
>Can't see where you are on the map unless you use a compass charm (retarded)
There are several things in the game that should either be baseline or an intrinsic character upgrade outside of the charm system.

>>718353570
Disagree.
The 'wiki lore' isn't important in a game like Mario, where all you really need to know is that you're trying to rescue a princess from an evil guy, but in Hollow Knight I expect a little bit of throughline to keep me invested.

After you see the 10000th dead corpse on the floor, you kind of stop caring.
What's great about having narrative breadcrumbs everywhere is that you can slowly piece together what happened like a historical detective or investigator, which is awesome.
That's the kind of thing that makes you go "I wonder how this guy got here" or "I wonder how this happened". It's INTEGRAL to the experience here.

When you don't have anything besides dead bodies and vauge meaningless idoms, then you get Hollow Knight.

I can't think of a better way to kill your sense of adventure.

>>718353954
>I can't think of a better way to kill your sense of adventure
That's because you have bethesda brain rot and can only view world design elements as narrative setpieces.

>>718353585
you don't even know what the term means yourself, it is not a useful term

>>718354196
>Headcanon
Your thoughts and emotions aren't reality, AGPederast.

>>718353681
Idiot.
>You don't see the full fucking map at first
>You don't get the map for your specific area until you find Conifer
>Sometimes Cornifer cannot be reached at first, like in Fog Canyon, so your basically blind.
>If you miss buying the quill, which I did at first, you have nothing but a scribble on a page to go by until you do.

A much BETTER System would be to have the compass always on, but keep the map dependent on exploration and cornier.
That way, you can explore and venture while also mentally creating a map in your head instead of being completely lost with no idea where you are.
They could even have designed the map around it better too, since the sudden fall from the Fungal Wastes into Deepnest that I took would have been even cooler (my icon would have been SUPER deep below from the rest of the map, which is spooky).

>the schizo constantly crying about hollow knight is a bethestard
Pottery, it was a mistake to let these morons nest here