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Do you like the invasion mechanic?

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>>718351826 (OP)
It's my favorite video game feature ever, I wish more games had it.

>>718351826 (OP)
I wish it happened organically, like the game randomly decides 2 players in the same area need to fight to the death for one to advance. I hate how 'meta' invasions are with intentionally exploitative builds meant to fuck with brand new players. It's like WoWs world PvP, in theory it's 2 players of relatively equal footing bumping into eachother and fighting it out, but in practice it's dickhead stealthniggers oneshotting noobs

>>718351826 (OP)
The invasion mechanic is the only reason I liked Dark Souls 1. I fucking loved getting invaded. I got to see weird builds, I liked when they used the map and enemy placement against me. It was to the point I did not feel an area was complete until I was invaded 4 or 5 times in it. Then they fucking ruined invasions and all the fun in the game went away. The enemy AI is dogshit and easily dealt with. Even most of the bosses I beat on the first attempt and promptly forgot about. The only challenge in the game was people invading me.

>>718351826 (OP)
it is such a small convenience dying in these games. at most you lose like 5 minutes of progress

>>718351826 (OP)
Why doesn't this Redditard play in offline mode or just not use the multiplayer enabling item?

>>718351826 (OP)
No as all nu-invaders are cringe min-maxers.

>>718351826 (OP)
I don't.
>why
Cheating and hacking. If you're going to dangle some fun as shit mode right in front of me only to fuck it up by letting cheaters go free and not segregating third worlders to their own region then you should just save resources and skip the whole thing.

>>718351826 (OP)
That's the only thing I did back then

>>718352281
I don't even remember getting invaded in my first playthrough of Dark Souls until Anor Londo, and then ONLY after I beat up the illusion of the sister that opened up invasions by her simps. Got the same guy three times in a row. Dude gave up after the third.

I didn't get another invasion until Newgame+ and to be fair it was right away in the undead berg. Guy just died to lazy dark bead spam.
>>718352342
He probably still wants to co-op with people just not get invaded.

He's right you know. Half my invasions were hackers and I'm lucky I didn't get my save bricked. I will never play with hacking fromnegroes again.

>get literally 0 invasions in Elden Ring
>turns out you can't get invaded unless you summon friends
Kinda retarded ngl

>>718352421
80% of those hours are waiting to find someone to connect to

>>718352526
>He probably still wants to co-op with people just not get invaded.
Mechanics have trade-offs. His fault for thinking every single aspect of the game should be available to someone who isn't interested in "mastering the mechanics".

>>718352627
You can bait invasions when solo. Use the tongue.

>>718351826 (OP)
I love invading people like him. Where you can tell they are raging. The whole point of invading is that you don't want me there.

>>718352672
The game was popping off constantly during its time

Most of my experience with invaders is with hackers

>>718353003
I really loved Fromsoft multiplayer until I tried the games on PC

>>718352775
What a cunt, i enjoyed being invaded.
I loved that in ds that they most of the time used emote first it was very cool.
Also its just another dead, its game where you die often why death from other players piss them off

>>718352526
It was the opposite for me. I got invaded a ton at the beginning and then it dropped off to the point I had to sit around and wait sine I did not want to leave the area until getting invaded. I think I was invaded 20 or so times on the wall before I got through it.

>>718351826 (OP)
Extremely. Maybe once in a while an invader frustrates me, but no more than the rest of the game. Usually I find them memorable in a good way. I love them even moreso as the invader, as many of the spells and weapons in these games are better utilized against other players than enemies anyhow.
>>718352081
I agree.

I hated invasions when I first started DS1 but I've come to enjoy both invading and getting invaded. It can be pretty frustrating in someone's first souls game but once you realize you don't lose much when dying they stop being frustrating and after a while invasions really help break up the monotony of fighting a bunch of predictable enemies.
I always thought it was ironic how plebbitors want to beat Dark Souls or Elden Ring so they can act like they beat some hardcore leet game and be a true gamer but they hate it when they get invaded which makes the game harder and in turn would make it a greater accomplishment to beat. And the funniest part about that is that invasions are entirely opt-in and are just a way to counterbalance co-op carrying you through the entire game. These fags just want (completely meaningless) gamer cred that they don't even want to work for.

>>718351826 (OP)
>IM A DAD IM A DAD IM A DAD

Whatever you whiny faggot just play in offline mode

it's a highly reactive game with dogshit netcode that results in your hits being so delayed that you just swing at shadows and pray they connect
it's mild entertainment that i do a few times through a playthrough but that's all

>>718354481
Dad gamers have ruined a lot of shit. Why can't they just play a different game?

>>718351826 (OP)
i fucking hate gamerdads but invaders are niggers

>>718351826 (OP)
I never really enjoyed any of my victories with or against it in ds1

hey now I'm a gamer with kids if I can't play a game due to other responsibilities I just don't fucking play it I don't sit and whine about it until they change it for me

I play an ironman on OSRS. My account progresses slowly, I don't scream and piss and beg them to increase my droprates or give me catchup mechanics. The grind is a fun part of the game and the only reason it's exciting to progress is because it took work to get there.

Don't like invasions? Don't play dark souls, or do what everyone else does and just put up with it.

It's interesting but ultimately it's clear that it's a bad mechanic.

>>718351826 (OP)
The positioning of the black/red shading makes the thumbnail look like a seifuku

>invade Tomb of the Giants
>not using any of the light items so I can hide in the shadows
>stumbling around in the dark looking for the host
>stand still
>hear his character fucking breathing behind me
>turn around, he emerges from the dark and we start fighting
No other game will ever compare

It's funny because invaders are just leeches, same as MMO griefers.

>>718351826 (OP)
This is true and it's the main reason why fighting games are a dead cope genre.

>>718355203
Wrong thread?

>>718351826 (OP)
Only whitoid sissy boys hate invasions

>>718352775
I love running away for as long as possible before disconnecting to maximize the amount of invader time I waste. I don't even play co-op I just love wasting invader's times. Cry about it.

>>718355146
Eh, I've had those same experiences in Escape From Tarkov, Left 4 Dead, Dead Space, and even Hunt: Showdown.

>>718355589
Didnt run so good in post you replied to, whiteboi

>>718355589
i used to just wait in front of fog gates

>>718355460
>>718355749
Average invasionfaggot is an AGP transvestive addicted to interracial porn btw

>>718355589
>I wasted my time to waste the invader's time
This isn't the flex you think it is. You could have fought like a man, win or lose, and been back to what you were doing in much less time.

>>718352747
I don't know if it was when it was still broken but I played through the entire game with it turned on and didn't get a single invader.

>>718351826 (OP)
I did back in the day, but nowadays I just play offline.

>>718356263
not really. if the player dies, theyd have to clear out the enemies again. disconnecting is just getting booted to the main menu. like 20 seconds

>>718356263
Knowing that you are actively making someone else mad by denying them their goal is way more fun than anything else dark souls has to offer. In Elden Ring I invite invaders with the sole purpose of running away as long as possible and get paragraph-length hate comments on my steam profile. It's totally worth it.

>>718356373
>Knowing that you are actively making someone else mad by denying them their goal is way more fun than anything else dark souls has to offer
So you like invading too

>>718356654
I've never invaded someone and had them subsequently leave a hate comment on my profile. In my experience, people who invade get way more angry being fucked with than people who get invaded. It's likely downstream of the build autism and made up rules like "you must be level 163.4 with no more than 41 points in vigor to invade or I will report you to my discord".

>>718356812
>I've never invaded someone and had them subsequently leave a hate comment on my profile
I have. I had it both ways.

>>718356373
So like in-
>>718356654 what he said.

>>718352775
Based disconnectchad. Pvpiggers seething.

I also don't run away because I'm good at these games and most invaders are shitters. People that can't handle being invaded make no sense to me.

>>718351826 (OP)
I stopped playing Souls games after DS3 but I liked invasions.
I enjoyed both invading and getting invaded, mostly in Bloodborne.

I still don't get why you fags are so furious about people like that guy in the OP existing.
I'd rather invade a challenging player than a 45 years old dad struggling to hold the controller. Add an option to disable invasions and the whole thing gets more interesting.

>>718351826 (OP)
I like invasions for the first year or so after the game is out. After that people min max just to grief you and it's gay. Ds2 was the exception, PvP is a blast to this day.

>>718357047
Because they are mentally retarded. Not because they are bad at the game or anything, because their baboon brains only see invaders as a blockade from the game rather than them being part of the game.

The invade mechanic is cool as fuck, the community is filled with subhumans which completely fuck it up.

>real world responsibilities
I love this non-argument meme that everyone keeps regurgitating
>b-but it doesn't respect your time-
Just play a different game lmao not everything is made for you to play

>>718356263
>>718355749
redtroons SEETHING

Fun in theory, in reality it's always gonna be plagued by sweaty retard faggots who make it their job to invade instead of just playing with the feature naturally.

>>718351826 (OP)
No. I hate people and I don't want to play video games with them

>>718351826 (OP)
Its a great mechanic, the fear of invasion I had to accept when turning myself human for buffs or summons. It was a good counter balance. And stuff like forest covenant was awesome, it was one thing DS2 did well by doing 2 covenants like that with Rat and Bells. Bells was some of the most fun I have still ever had in any DS game

>>718354825

Why can't you just go to the designated PVP arena? Oh right, because you're trash and afraid of a fair fight.

>>718357378
>I just heckin' run away!
this you?

>>718357608
PVP ≠ Invasions. Invasions are organic and more interesting.

Elden Ring is dead because there aren't invasions without summons/taunting.

DS3 is still active today because it has invasions.

>>718357608
Straight up pvp arenas offer a different experience from invasions. Your "hurr durr no u" argument also doesn't make any amount of sense, that anon is reasonably asking people to find an experience that's more fit for them while your retarded ass is telling him to go out of his way to not use the feature that is fit for his exact tastes.

>>718351826 (OP)
Weekend Warrior Dad Gamers are hilariously pathetic

>>718351826 (OP)
The most fun I've ever had playing a soulslike was being a Forest Hunter in DS1, so yes

Been doing my 2nd solo DS1 playthrough and found the dickwraiths. Tried invading for the first time the other day and it's extremely fun, even when I lose. I've been hanging around oolacile long enough by now that i could have been halfway through NG+ by now, but this is just more fun

>>718352747
kinky

>>718356263
It wasn't about playing the game. It was about punishing the invader.

>>718357192
A bad part of the game, bad game design, needs to be removed from all games

>>718351826 (OP)
PvP should be opt-in and designed to be fair for all players involved. Invasions are obviously not that. I think it's alright if both parties opt-in, even if it's not my thing people can play whatever they want, but I don't see the point of a PvP system where the attacker not only gets the privilege of deciding when he gets to attack, building and gearing his character for PvP specifically but then on top of that all the enemies in the level are also on his side. I've played relatively sweaty, competitive games and I have fun in those but invasions are just completely whack and unfair by design, I see no reason to partake in such a system. If the competition isn't fair then I'm not interested, it just seems like a malicious system meant to shit on the player being invaded. Maybe I'm too much of a "sweat" in my soul and need my PvP to be proper and fair where everyone tries to win and as such I can't see the "fun" in abusing unprepared players or something.

>>718358329
>It wasn't about playing the game
Exactly, people that can't handle invasions should just play a different game. Souls just isn't for people like them.

>>718351826 (OP)
>>718354481
>>718354825
Why are gamerdads such pussies

>>718355749

>YOU CAN'T JUST RUIN MY INVASION
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>718357935
>Straight up pvp arenas offer a different experience from invasions.
Yeah, one not for cowards.

>>718351826 (OP)
no because my stupid ass always wants to troll which makes me die. im too pure of a kitten to kill other invaders ;-;

>>718358470

>cowards

You think you're a tough guy playing a video game, nerd?

>>718358470
The guy who can't handle invasions and has to disconnect from the game because of it is the real coward. If you weren't a coward you would stand and fight.

>>718357830
Elden Ring is an order of magnitude more alive than DS3, you're hallucinating.

>>718351826 (OP)
It's an opt-in mechanic. If you don't like invasions then don't make yourself human.

>>718357157
It's because they invade in order to bully weak and unprepared players. If the ones they invade are prepared and waiting then these invaders cry and shit themselves. You can see this kind of overwhelming salt in ER especially, where people make co-op parties and Taunter's Tongue specifically to fight invaders and all the invaders do is shit themselves and cry about "gank parties" and how they prefer "natural" invasions where a natural invasion is a couple of noobs playing the game for the first time and then get eviscerated in PvP they didn't even know was coming. It's just shitters complaining about any changes in the system that don't tip the scales in their favor.

>>718355589
>I'll waste his time by wasting my own time and then letting him win, that'll show him!

>>718357157
Sea of Thieves made the "invader" playerbase fight each other in a game mode and the seething rage was so bad the game mode was permanently deleted. These people only want to curbstomp casuals.

i dident even realize i had gotten invaded most of teh time in dark souls 1,2,3. invasions were so rare when i played them. i just kept playing normally and even mistook invader players for NPCs. sometimes i only realized i'd been invaaded when invader died to random crap like fall dmg.
i got invaded a loooot in elden ring because i used Taunter Tongue. it was fun.
i never tried invading it seems like a waste of time

>>718359193
Do you think maybe there might be an experience in between invading coughing babies with cerebral palsy and invading gank squads with over levelled phantoms who spam nuclear rockets at you in an open field after they've killed every enemy in a 20 mile radius?

>>718358769
And yet online is dead.

Every single time I got invaded I just kept progressing through the level and ignoring the invader because they were shitters 99% of the time. I only bothered with invaders when I was doing co-op or specifically in an invader area, like the Forest or the Aldritch thingie in 3.

>>718351826 (OP)
it is great. fighting against real people is always more engaging than finding how to break an enemy's AI. "but muh free time, i have REAL responsibilities" is such a cope. you are playing a game. regardless of if you see the credits or not, you played the game and decided to spend your free time clicking buttons. if you want to fill your free time with a totally frictionless experience that does not require you to think or engage with the media, go watch some reality TV or something. games should not be dumbed down because YOU didn't get your life on track and now only can play an hour a week and think you deserve to be able to beat a game that everyone else likes (that many of them like FOR the PVP aspect) in your small amount of free time. they should not be dumbed down because YOU are too lazy to figure out how to win.

>>718359689
I just played it for the first time and was constantly summoned, regularly fought invaders while I was a summon, even got randomly summoned as a blue
It's really not dead at all

My modus operandi has always been:
>Invader is thematic, cosplaying or otherwise is trying to make it interesting? Fight him
>Invader is a twink? Waste his time before alt + f4 when he thinks he's found me
>Invader is a metatranny? Whip out my Silver Knight Spear, Lance, Lothric Spear and endlessly poke and poke and poke until he seethes
>Invader is a pussy? Just beat the level while he sniffs the assholes of the enemies he's hiding behind

>>718360126
how do you know someone is a cute skinny male just based on their in-game character?

>>718351826 (OP)
I enjoy them in games like Dark Souls. It's essential for a truly oppressive atmosphere.

>>718360265
>implying other games besides dark souls has invasions

>>718360393
RE6 has invasions

>>718351826 (OP)
I hardly ever even think about it. When it happened sure it was scary or frustrating, but it happens so rarely it never occurred when I was particularly vulnerable like I had a big pile of souls to collect or I just got past something I was struggling with. They usually happen during low impact parts of the game. And when you do die you just move on and keep going like dying to anything in the game.

Elden Ring's early pvp was fun just because I could make a level 20 twink with bloodhound and surprise the fuck out of anyone I was invading. It was hilarious how often the surprise of teleporting just let me wombo combo people.

>>718351826 (OP)
only when i do it.

>>718355749
lmao seething nigger

>>718351826 (OP)
It's a cool feature, but in practice it just invites people who are there for PvP to shit on people who aren't. If you go into the game with the expectation that you'll be fighting other players it would be a lot better, but most people are just there for the PvE and get blindsided by some fucker who optimized his build to take a hot steaming shit on people of that specific level bracket.

>>718359627
Based clueless anon

>>718351826 (OP)
it's shit. Pairing together people who are built for pve and people built for pvp isn't a fair fight. I can only imagine people who enjoy bullying the weak would enjoy it.
And to top it all off the netcode is shit and the game is based on spamming i-frames so the fights aren't satisfying at all even if your opponent isn't specifically speced for pvp.

>>718351826 (OP)
I love invading some loser with real life responsibilities and ruining his game

>>718351826 (OP)
Only when I cheat to fuck with the host until they ragequit. Or invading pvp tryhards who get so butt blasted they try to add me and send me angry spam lol.

>Invading and killing some guy donning the gold-hemmed armor, knight shield and drake sword
Yawn.
>Gatecrashing muh heckin' honorable redditors united fight club WITH NO SURVIVORS
BASED.

>>718351826 (OP)
yeah it's fun
the kind of people that complain about it are the same kind that say the game should have an easy mode, except maybe even worse since it's the fault of their own actions that they're interacting with the invasion mechanic in the first place, this isn't demons souls where the game puts you into an invadable state every time you kill a boss

It's really neat, but the PvP is shit in almost all of the Souls games so it ends up being shit. That and because it's almost all twinks.

>>718351826 (OP)
It's fun when a game is first released when everyone is figuring everything out and it's very chaotic. I especially like parts like the Old Monk fight in Demons Souls that is a pvp boss fight. But once the game is out for awhile, it comes either min/max twinks, gank squads, or fight club meta build try hards and it sucks because these games aren't really fun enough from an action game perspective and also the net code usually sucks and there can be a lot of phantom backstabbing and disconnects.

>>718351826 (OP)
Yes but the combat was always shit

Just a rotating cyclone of backstabbing
Nobody ever fought "properly"
Total crap

i miss being a grapist

>>718363067
dont think ive ever seen someone interrupt a fight club without getting blown the fuck out instantly by a bunch of annoyed sweaty boys.

>>718352526
>I don't even remember getting invaded in my first playthrough of Dark Souls until Anor Londo
If you were on PC Dark Souls 1 back then was Games for Windows Live and it was an awful service.

I have a full time job and a family and probably get about 5 hours of gaming a week and I'm fucking TIRED OF CASUALS FAGGOTS COMPLAINING ABOUT DIFFICULTY
GAMING IS MY MAIN FUCKING HOBBY AND IM TIRED OF CASUAL FAGGOTS TRYING TO RUIN THE 5 FUCKING HOURS A WEEK I GET TO ENJOY IT
That's said, people obsessed with Souls invasions are dumb as fuck lol

>>718363404
The trick is to pester them with Greatbows from afar and annoy them until someone branches off to hunt you, then two while the host lingers back, maybe all three, then play the long game, maybe push them off cliffs. It's all about setting the bait and getting them to bite.

>>718351826 (OP)
I have about 1600 hours combined in DS1&remaster, DS2&scholar, DS3 and ER and i’ve never been invaded

>>718351826 (OP)
It was great and one of a kind but the mechanic was butchered as the series went on, Demon's Souls did it best by being pure and simple.

>>718351826 (OP)
>DS3
>fight club
>ez wins with Astora Greatsword
>parryfags BTFO
>win my 8th fight in a row
>everyone gangs up on me immediately after
no clue if I did something specific or it was because they thought i was cheating or something. I also remember getting pieced up by someone so badly, I used whatever the grovel gesture was next to a ledge and he took pity on me by kicking me off. All in all, invasions have always been ass and I have no sympathy for the invaders in ER. you get what you deserve, faggots

>>718351826 (OP)
When the game had just came out and people invading and being invaded had about the same levels of game knowledge it was pretty fun to see and go along with. After a bit though it just became guys so insanely optimized for the area it wasn't even that fun, and every bandaid fix like soul memory didn't really help.

>>718363596
I really don't like your pic.

>>718351826 (OP)
>camping 3-2
>seeing how many newbies i can kick off the stairs at the start
>got my scraping spear and babys nail equipped
oh yeah, gaming time

I liked it in Demons Souls but in every other game after - except the goat DaS2 (PBUH) - they've made them worse.

You spawn closer to the host.
You spawn in retarded spots.
There's no shortcuts that let you fuck with the invader or fuck with the host.
Enemies get more retarded movesets so invaders are either turbo twinks or pussies.
Levels are too small so invading is two dudes in a 10x5 room.

>>718353063
I remember ds 2 invaders were very respectful and would emote when they first saw you. They'd even spam the block button to challenge you

>>718358436
Because they don't feel like putting up with TWO sets of children.

>>718351826 (OP)
>Do you like the invasion mechanic?
Solo is fine. Fucking AWFUL when I'm playing with friends or family. Fuckers always run, try to cheat or play cowardly from range while hiding behind mobs. Make the game worse. We're having fun here, stop shitting & spitting in my path you fucking faggot.

>>718351826 (OP)
Yes they're great. Don't know why they moved away from invasions in Elden Ring.

>>718351826 (OP)
Poor lil blk boy got invaded by a BWC Lord of cinder…

>>718355460
>OP is a blk boy
>b-but White people!
Poor blind blk boy…

>>718352281
>tfw buddy and I got invaded by a hacker outside Ornstein and Smough's arena
>dude was trash
>unlimited health but couldn't land a hit on us
>just cornered him and staggerlocked him with alternating full stam dumps
>or take turns backstabbing
>summoned Solaire too just to rub more salt into him
>do this until we get bored and finally let him kill us
Probably the most fun I've had in a Souls game.

>>718352730
I just want to get my dad through the game before Alzheimer's takes him :(

>>718367445
Well then you better kill the handful of reds there lord-protector.

>>718351826 (OP)
Yes. I played DS1 a ton because 1v1 invading was fun af. Can't even argue it wasn't consensual since you had to use Humanity in order to be invaded.

I have 9 hours played of Elden Ring because the game felt boring as fuck without invasions.

Invasions are the only fun online aspect of Souls. PvP arenas in Souls are dogshit because the netcode can't hold up for half assed fighting game matches. Hiding on a ledge using a greatbow with knockback to wipe out a crew crossing a bridge will never not be satisfying.

>>718351826 (OP)
I'm a total jobber, so I assume most of the people that I invade and kick my ass (usually with some other people) feel pretty good about my failed efforts.

>>718351826 (OP)
no, because im trying to enjoy my single player game and progress further in it, not deal with some retard. if i wanted to play a multiplayer game i would.

>>718352627
Oh shit, so that's why I never got them. Can you just summon friends whenever?

>>718351826 (OP)
>getting invaded by some dude who wants to dive at me like a maniac
Fun time
>getting invaded by a guy who just chip-damages me forever and keeps running behind bad guys if he thinks he might be in trouble
Annoying but it's a fun change of pace
>getting invaded by a twink who's exploiting glitches, niche but powerful gear I can't get yet, and an obscure/very lategame weapon with whacky hit boxes
Not any fun at all.

Invasions itself aren't really the problem, it's just that the skill floor and ceiling are so far removed from each other that, after a very early point in the game's lifecycle, most players just rolling through the game are going to get nothin' personnel'd every single time they get invaded because the casual online players are going to have left. Once the sweats become the dominant part of the population the Invasion system kinda just doesn't work for casuals.

>>718355589
I fvking kneel

>>718351826 (OP)
It's easily one of the best features of the games. The fact so few games refuse to understand this is a travesty.
>>718352747
The tongue ensures you are constantly invaded with no rest. I want a natural middle ground of the tension being there as a possibility but not guaranteed.
I feel like a nice middle ground would've been to let solo hosts use their spirits when they get invaded instead of just disabling invasions for them completely unless they activate the nonstop invasions item.

>>718355715
>Slop

>>718351826 (OP)
Why is his reddit pfp brown?

>>718368576
the tongue invasions were NOT nonstop, there is a grace period between each invasions of five minutes or so.

>>718368291
The actual problem is metafags on both sides. They kill the system and make it unfun. A hapless host will turn into a password summon faggot camping around after encountering a well built twink, a fun cosplay invader turns into that obnoxious faggot exploiting everything after running into too many groups of said faggots. It just goes on.
Metafags ruin everything.

Isn't it funny that invasions is the most unique feature in soul game. But none of the hundreds of soullikes copied it. They activity avoid putting invasions in.

>>718368781
oh shut up, nobody playing through the game is "metafagging" with the intent to ruin an invader's time.

>>718368832
What exactly do you think people with a full party of meaty password phantoms who sit around an area with all the enemies dead and no intention of going to the boss are doing exactly? Having a picnic?

>"as a casual gamer"

Why even chime in with an opinion if you know you don't mean anything compared to people that actually play the game to learn and master everything about it?

>>718351826 (OP)
in general no
and especially not in a game where there is such a thing as a difference between pve and pvp build optimization. if it was something like >>718352229
says it would be a lot better

>>718352342
probably because the cross game messages are kino, and hopefully not because he is a coop casual. souls games are meant to be solod

>>718351826 (OP)
Mechanic as a whole is ok, but hard to get right.
Getting invaded by twink fagot with maxed out pyro hand and +10/+15 everything lese in Undead burg is not fun.
That said I spent a considerable time invading with pic related and it was really fun.

I don't really engage with it but I think that anybody who says a game should change because "muh real life responsibilities" should be euthanized in the most painful way possible

>>718351826 (OP)
i like getting invaded but i dont like the shitty netcode or the meta around them.

>>718369325
Cosplay invasions are always the best.

>>718351826 (OP)
Invasion gets better when you look at it like a form of pve rather than pvp.

>>718368831
To be fair most of the time the whole multiplayer part is missing, not just invasions.

Fromsoft never innovates with their multiplayer system, Elden Ring should have had seamless multiplayer with a bunch of retards from different factions running around raping and eating peoples poop or working together instead of the dark souls shit.

sniper elite 5 did it perfectly
>game starts, do you want to allow invasions, yes/no
even better, you can still invade others who allow it

>>718351826 (OP)
i like it in theory, but in practice its ALWAYS a super sweat abusing game mechanics to just kill you without actually entering a fight.
what i really enjoyed was the organized fight clubs in 3, where you would summon a red, blue, yellow and purple phantom, let them duel, and the winner got to murder the host for the token, since if someone acted like a cunt they would get ganked by the rest of the phantoms AND the host.

>>718369771
Dojo busting was fun in it's own right though.

>>718368112
wtf is this guys stamina? im so fucking sick and tired of enemies just spamming their moves over and over

>>718351826 (OP)
Explain how the response comment is somehow unreasonable for him trying to play the game’s single-player/campaign content without sounding like a basement-dwelling loser.
>unplug the internet
That’s an unreasonable ask.
I don’t think anyone here can.

soulscasuals hating on invasions is probably the biggest self report they have

>>718351826 (OP)
Any potential value is stripped away by the reality of players being fags.

>>718368781
>actual problem is metafags
true for every PvP game nowadays. Invasions are no different and its why it became more and more scuffed with every entry to the point that its entirely optional in ER and most people don't even engage with it.

>>718369973
>retard front-loads the argument with ad-hominem because he knows he's going to get wrecked
lel
List ONE From souls game that allows invasions that also doesn't have means to turn them off.

>>718370149
DS2 actually. The others have to opt in to the online elements though yes.
Merely mentioning DS2 will trigger some schizo though.

>>718370214
You can't play off-line in DS2?
Really?

I spawned in hacked items for invaders to get their accounts fucked, it was my favorite thing to do across the series.

>>718370214
looks like ds2 really is the only good one
>>718369973
>I don’t think anyone here can.
everyone can unplug the cable

>>718351826 (OP)
They're good.
They're minibosses that will either fuck you up or you'll feel like a champ for besting.
Instead of being shit on by a Crucible Knight or whatever, you get another player, who is much more unique.

>>718370246
I mean of course a way to disable invasions while keeping messages and bloodstains around. You can of course always play offline. In demons you needed a body to get invaded, in dark souls you needed humanity etc. In 2 you could just always be invaded if you're online. Part of why it's the best one frankly.
I'm not the person freaking out about invasions, I love them. Just sayin.

>>718370214
You can burn an effigy to block invaders or just play offline.

>>718370347
>who is much more unique
So fucking tired of this gay argument
>heh...a real ningen is always more challenging than an ai...
No they aren't you fucking faggot.

>>718355589
The disconnect screen gives me more dopamine than any amount of souls.

>>718351826 (OP)
There are about 8 games I can think of with this mechanic, and 6 of them are made by one company
Niggers who don't like invasions can fuck off to one of the million other games with more traditional multiplayer systems

>>718370384
I actually forgot about that function of effigys. It's still the odd one out though given how that only limits them for a little while.

>>718351826 (OP)
It was a neat novel idea to have another player provide a dynamic experience but it got turned into faggotry by the hardcore mlg audience.

>>718370496
Half an hour is not 'little while' for casual player 'finding small pockets of time to play a game'.

>>718370428
The AI in these games is strong because they have very high stats.
A Crucible Knight has fuck you poise and does fuck you damage, so they're tough.
But they're not dynamic. Never are. You basically know what to expect within an encounter or two.
NPC invaders are predictable just the same. You know how they'll input read or what distances will trigger what routines.

But players are fun because each is an individual that will do things that you can't predict.
They're probably weaker than the regular boss enemies in a given area, but they're more fluid and unpredictable which makes them hard just he same.

>>718351826 (OP)
The AC6 invasion mod showed that the game was severely lacking for not having it to some extent

>>718351826 (OP)
Like everything, it was a good idea that was utterly ruined by faggots

>>718370542
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here anon. Have you been drinking?

>>718351826 (OP)
Invasions in concept are god but the PVP in these games is so stupid that I don't understand how anyone could find it remotely fun.

>>718370632
Did you try 'reading comprehension' weapon skill?
Read the comment in OP's picture till the end.

>>718351826 (OP)
No but I don't disable it / play offline. When I encounter an invasion I wait a bit and then just unplug so he gets disconnected and wasted his time. Get fucked lmao

Yes but the last game with proper invasion was Dark Souls 2. The "invasions" that remain in modern Soulslop are a castrated shadow of their former glory.

>>718370732
I saw it was a reddit post and opted not to read it.

>>718354696
>friend loved invading
>probably 2-3k hours ds1 and ds2 each, mostly invadind with strata he found online
>try to get him into a half dozen well balanced competitive games
>"bro, you already know the meta, this isn't fair!"
>he says to my kirby in melee, after trying to teach him fox, Martha, sheik, and puff
>"they (the other team) are cheating"
>as he feeds the other team in smite
>"they should take out rocket jumping"
>yep. He said this about Titty Fuckers 2
Invasions are fun, but a strange crowd gets fixated on them. Nothing wrong with wanting to stomp noobs, but I think most people want a goal outside of 'make the other guy mad'. This was around 2016, and while he slowly got tired of working the salt mine I still love melee and tf2 because of the intrinsic fun of a triple knee (falcon main, fuck Kirby) or a double donk

>>718370893
Your friend sounds like one of those fag invaders who did nothing but invade with the most optimal builds. I find that misses the spirit of invading.

how wuld this thread have turned out if it was just a red guy and not a twitter screen shot?

>>718370893
People think "making the other player mad" = killing them. People remember Maldron from DS2 because he embodied dick-ass invader mentallity, not because he kicked their fucking ass over and over again. That's what every invader should aspire to be.

I enjoy invading. I both enjoy getting invaded and invading. My fondest memories of Dark Souls 1 back when I played it for the first time was being invaded.
I enjoyed it the most in Dark Souls 3. That felt like the perfect mix of fairness. Elden Ring is a bit more skewed in the hosts way due to how many ranged and constant harrassment options there are available to just about everybuild and how powerful they all are, which promotes spamming and even more so, makes them near impossible to beat if they're at least somewhat competent.
That being said - I do enjoy invading in Elden Ring too. It's just that invading in Elden Ring tends to typically favor one-shot type builds because you need to remove their phantoms as soon as possible if you want to stand a chance in ganks.

>>718370893
>invadind, strata, martha
Fuck me, both for being up this late and phoneposting
>>718371439
I would agree. I've only played BB and it always felt great. Like a fight between a JoJo character and a schizo alcoholic where I could be either description
>>718371652
Idk who that is but that sounds lame. Having to revert to being a dick in a videogame cause you want to be one IRL but don't like the consequences is for pussies. Like that reddit fag that beat elden bosses for people to feel like a hero

>>718357635
Using the well, what is it pose for its true purpose; pissing off players

>>718357830
uoh

>>718352081
It was going to be in doom eternal and then they dropped it :(

>>718372571
>uoh
That's an 18 year old hag

Invasions are only fun during the first week of a new game's release. Nobody knows anything about the game. They're just invading to be assholes. After the first week is when the "meta" is developed and fags look up twink builds to maximize damage at the lowest level possible to grief the most people.

>>718358470
>whiny carebear calls people who fight 1v3 gankfests cowards

>>718351826 (OP)
no because it never works right. i wish there was a "pvp on" button in the menu that would send pvpers to pvp land, so everyone could just knock the shit out of each other all day long the second they start playing, then turn it off when they want to explore. every bonfire should just show a big "pvp on/off" button so you always know.

>>718364808
>scraping spear and babys nail
such hilariously cunty weapons.

>>718369596
i finished the game on the hardest difficulty and all the invasions i got were on lower difficulties so shooting was a breeze

>>718351826 (OP)
>nooo you have to let me play in YOUR game, I spent so many hours prowling the wiki trying to get the perfect meta twink build for this area, you have to let me kill youuuu
lol redfags

>>718351826 (OP)
not with that fucking netcode

>>718351826 (OP)
if i wanted PvP, i'd play a multiplayer game. I just stick to offline with these types of games

>>718359689
Why do you lie about easily verifiable things?

>>718351826 (OP)
Invasions good on paper but sucks to deal with since your opponent is always have an upper hand against you - he minimaxed his built especially for PvP, he knows locations, all your enemies are on his side. So it's never fun and never be balanced. I rather have invasions like in RE6 where you control one of the enemies or a group so you could build a trap for the player.