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Anonymous No.718362781 >>718362882 >>718363140 >>718363537 >>718364057 >>718364087 >>718364393 >>718365624 >>718365687 >>718365689 >>718366162 >>718370745 >>718370982 >>718372785 >>718373663 >>718374768 >>718375265 >>718375431
What do they eat? (And don't say molerats, this has been debunked.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDx579m1pAE
Anonymous No.718362882 >>718364925 >>718365539 >>718368212 >>718371629 >>718373310
>>718362781 (OP)
they eat molerats i've just rebunked it
Anonymous No.718363075 >>718363241 >>718368439
I know the player character is some weird autist who goes around eating snack crackers or whatever from hundreds of years ago, but within the Fallout universe all the radioactive shit has made animals grow extra large.

Like a ton of Fallout enemies are just "WHAT IF X BUT THEY WERE BIG?" like Radroaches.
Anonymous No.718363140 >>718363275 >>718371965
>>718362781 (OP)
>43 minutes
holy shit you realism fags are cancer
Anonymous No.718363241 >>718363741 >>718366660
>>718363075
>Wow. These crackers are incredible.
Anonymous No.718363247
you fucking retards realize how many calories uranium has?
Anonymous No.718363275 >>718363419 >>718371735
>>718363140
Maybe so, but it is so flagrant in Fallout that it feels impossible to actually roleplay. Fallout is an RPG, it should actually make the player feel as if they are a roleplayer in a game. Instead, they make hte world as unrealistic as possible, and make you and the other dipshits around you eat stale 200-year old cereal.
Anonymous No.718363419
>>718363275
1. fallout 3 is not an rpg
2. rpgs should be unrealistic. if you need realism to roleplay go find some likeminded fa/tg/uys
Anonymous No.718363537
>>718362781 (OP)
megaton could die of starvation for i all care
all i need is my wife moira(and that mr handy he's chill)
Anonymous No.718363620 >>718365147
Moira's Brown asshole
Anonymous No.718363741 >>718366478 >>718366660 >>718371849 >>718371853
>>718363241
Yes your average Fallout protagonist is eating food from hundreds of years ago like it's no big deal.

Like I know certain foods like SPAM is made to last long but 200+ years in the future is pushing it.
Anonymous No.718364057 >>718364167
>>718362781 (OP)
They eat whatever they sell at the brass lantern and moriarty's saloon. Are you stupid? You can literally go in game and buy food from them.
>where does it come from
Scavenged or hunted.
Anonymous No.718364087 >>718364147 >>718364201 >>718364328 >>718365306 >>718365396 >>718368072 >>718368395
>>718362781 (OP)
Fallout 3 makes the deliberate world-building/tonal choice to not explain where people get their food.
This was done to make the wasteland feel harsher and more dangerous. It's similar to how none of the Mad Max movies explain where people get food outside of maybe scavenging.

Fallout 3 doesn't use the same world-building style as New Vegas, or even 4. It doesn't opt to have logistics firmly explained.
This is a stylistic choice, not a mistake. If you don't like it, it's because you don't like the style, not because it's 'wrong.'

But realistically since Megaton is like 50 people, they probably scavenge and trade from out of the Capital Wasteland for food
Anonymous No.718364147 >>718364364
>>718364087
>This is a stylistic choice, not a mistake.
One of the biggest copes I've ever seen.
I don't know how you can believe Bethesda doesn't make mistakes when it's extremely apparent in every aspect of every single one of their games.
Anonymous No.718364167 >>718364458
>>718364057
There is trading going on, too.
The punga fruit can be bought from many vendors, and that's grown in Point Lookout.
Presumably mutfruit, and the flour needed for noodles and Mirelurk cakes are also imported from less irradiated parts of the wasteland
Anonymous No.718364201 >>718364449
>>718364087
>This is a stylistic choice, not a mistake.
Interesting bait.
Anonymous No.718364328
>>718364087
Interesting fact.
Anonymous No.718364364 >>718364489 >>718365368 >>718365396 >>718368294 >>718371932
>>718364147
Nigger, is it a mistake that they don't tell you what the fucking toads in Mario eat?
Fallout 3 isn't some 'le realistic' story. It's a silly romp where you have superheroes, mad scientists with German accents, literal vampires, aliens, and other zany, whimsical stuff.

You retards are too dumb to understand what Fallout 3 (which is not an artistically complex game) was even going for, and critique for failing to live up to standards it was never supposed to have.
It's like saying the story telling in Tetris is lacking, or that Civilization 5 fails to include meaningful RPG elements.
You're out of your gourd.
Anonymous No.718364393
>>718362781 (OP)
They scavenge the ruins of the old world, they trade with caravans and hunt animals. We already discussed this multiple times
Anonymous No.718364407 >>718364472
The funniest part to me is that in Fallout 4 like half of Diamond City's floorspace is devoted to a garden and it's also mentioned that they are the main customer for all of the little "One family + a shitload of crops" farms around the map like Finch and Abernathy

Todd really took the complaints about Megaton to heart
Anonymous No.718364449
>>718364201
It's true.
Bethesda includes farms in all their other games, they just didn't add them to Fallout 3 since they would undermine the atmosphere which the whole game tries to cultivate.

Fallout 3 goes into significant detail on how people get water, since that is important for the story. But food isn't. And since having farmland and pastures would make the world seem more livable and nice, which is the opposite of their intention, they were excluded deliberately.
Anonymous No.718364458 >>718364559
>>718364167
Punga fruit can only be bought if you have the PL DLC installed.
Anonymous No.718364472 >>718364573
>>718364407
The funny thing about the commonwealth is how they describe it in Fallout 3: "nothing but a war-ravaged quagmire" but when we see it in Fallout 4, it seems much more stable and civilized than Fallout 3's capital wasteland.
Anonymous No.718364489 >>718364757 >>718365489 >>718366402 >>718367643
>>718364364
>Hurr Fallout is le wacky xDDDD
Yes, Bethesda has always never understood what Fallout is. Fallout is entirely about the logistics of the post-apocalypse. Especially how people would survive afterwards. And you don't think the game should give a shit about making the survival at least plausible? Kill yourself.
Anonymous No.718364559
>>718364458
It's 2025, Fallout 3 GOTY:E is like 5 bucks on sale, what are doing not playing with Point Lookout enabled?
Anonymous No.718364573 >>718364881
>>718364472
I can defend this take because you hear it from an Institute scientist and the Institute literally views everyone else on earth as subhuman
Anonymous No.718364757 >>718364891 >>718364931 >>718365010 >>718365049 >>718365082 >>718365467 >>718367275
>>718364489
Faggot Fallout 2 had fucking ghosts, talking dinosaurs, and Scientologists.
Was Fallout 1 less wacky? A bit. It still was far from a realistic setting, though.

When Fallout 3 came out, every Fallout game had its own distinct tone.
>Fallout 1 was an outlandish world played completely straight and seriously
>Fallout 2 was very silly with pop culture references and plenty of bullshit.
>Tactics played up the militarism and self-seriousness, despite it's odd story beats
>Brotherhood of Steel went for a 'dudebro' early 2000s vibe
Bethesda decided to play into the whimsy. Why was that wrong?
Anonymous No.718364881
>>718364573
It feels great killing that guy in Fallout 3 and it somehow feels even better after Fallout 4
Anonymous No.718364891 >>718365010 >>718365023 >>718365192 >>718365567
>>718364757
>Every designer that worked on Fallout 2 regrets the retarded shit, especially primary directors like Tim Cain (lead of F1) and Chris Avellone (lead of F2).
>Fallout 2 still puts effort into explaining how the world works, how the politics work, what people eat, and how they're surviving.
>Bethesda throws that all away because they're retarded and Fallout = le retro wacky 50s!
Not helping your case here.
Anonymous No.718364925
>>718362882
FBPB
Anonymous No.718364931 >>718365049 >>718365192
>>718364757
Brotherhood of Steel is both shovelware and non-canon.
Anonymous No.718364960
fish and beans
Anonymous No.718365010 >>718365115
>>718364891
>>718364757
>people hated the mandatory death ending
>it got retconned
>people wanted to know about logistics
>half of Fallout 4 is about food

Todd is the people's champion, he listens
Anonymous No.718365023 >>718365082
>>718364891
>okay it was a wacky 50sland adventure but it doesn't count
Anonymous No.718365049
>>718364757
>>718364931
The one thing everyone can agree on.
Besides, even though BoS was going for early 2000s GoW vibes, it cribbed a shitton aesthetically off Star Wars.
Anonymous No.718365082 >>718365159 >>718365289 >>718365417
>>718364757
Also forgot to mention that Fallout 2 is full of fucking progress. Cities with power. Bethesda wants to keep the world perpetually nuked and perpetually scrambling in the dirt, because to them that's epic! They fundamentally don't understand how fucking long 200 years is.

>>718365023
Easter eggs =/= fundamentally ignoring world building, you fucking retarded shit-licking faggot. Then again you like Bethesda games, it's literally impossible for you to have much going on upstairs.
Anonymous No.718365115
>>718365010
They did bring back both NPCs and the old dialogue system when they re-worked Fallout 76.
And Far Harbor brought back the RPG elements people missed from previous games into 4.
Bethesda is a rather reactive company, sometimes in good ways.
Anonymous No.718365147
>>718363620
based coprophagiac, the only man who's truly prepared for the apocalypse
Anonymous No.718365159 >>718372195
>>718365082
>Bethesda wants to keep the world perpetually nuked and perpetually scrambling in the dirt, because to them that's epic! They fundamentally don't understand how fucking long 200 years is.
Anonymous No.718365192 >>718365302 >>718367532
>>718364931
It was only made non-canon by Bethesda, same with tactics
>>718364891
I don't give a shit if it was 'regretted later on' when Bethesda bought Fallout and began Fallout 3, there was no consistent tone for the series.

Therefore there was no great 'deviation' they pulled when making Fallout 3. They just took another, different angle on the franchise.
What is wrong with playing up the whimsical and toning down the realism?
Anonymous No.718365289
>>718365082
>Bethesda wants to keep the world perpetually nuked
Not just Bethesda, Chris Avellone made the tunnelers and half of shit from the New Vegas DLCs to destroy the west coast in the future to keep the series post apocalyptic.
It's a natural desire to keep the world more post apocalyptic, since that makes for more natural gameplay
Anonymous No.718365291 >>718365423 >>718366083 >>718367450 >>718371791 >>718372328
Should power armor be like a tiny vehicle you get in and out of or should it just be bulky bomb squad juggernaut type clothing
Anonymous No.718365302 >>718366009 >>718375738
>>718365192
Because it's retarded. Fallout 2, despite having way more humor than the first, still cares about world building. Bethesda doesn't. By all means, enjoy your epic wacky borderlands power armor fantasy for 12-year-olds, because that's all Fallout is now. Buy your tie-in Mountain Dew and Conquer the Wasteland your way, buddy!
Anonymous No.718365306 >>718366009
>>718364087
>Fallout 3 makes the deliberate world-building/tonal choice to not explain where people get their food.
>This was done to make the wasteland feel harsher and more dangerous.
my fuckin sides
Anonymous No.718365368 >>718366009
>>718364364
>you are dumb for complaining that a sequel failed to live up to the standards of the games that came before it
Anonymous No.718365396 >>718368294
>>718364087
>>718364364
Holy Trvke
Poser midwits seething
Anonymous No.718365417 >>718376751
>>718365082
It's also important to note that most of the big cities on the west coast that were developed were built with the help of a geck, and the ones which weren't built with gecks still look like burned out shitholes, but at least they have farms and the like.
In Fallout 3, there were no gecks, and the capital wasteland was nuked much harder than anything on the west coast save for maybe the boneyard or the glow. DC was only left standing because they reinforced a shit ton of the buildings prior to the war, in preparation for potential nuclear strikes. That's why you see so many buildings covered in metal addons.
You can't really grow anything sustainable in the soil because it's heavily irradiated. You can't really use the water because it's heavily polluted, not just from the nukes, but from pre-war pollution. The entire east coast was densely populated and broke out into total chaos after the bombs dropped. None of the vaults opened as they were all experimental (which I find dumb. Why would vault tec not have at least a couple actual vaults for the capital of the nation?)

tl;dr DC and the surrounding areas got hit the hardest out of anywhere in the country, and didn't have any gecks or control vaults to restart civilization from, so it was doomed from the start.
Anonymous No.718365423 >>718365608 >>718371870
>>718365291
I hated the "vehicle" system in 4, it was fucking stupid. They should have kept the bulky size, but kept it the way it works in all the other games: as lategame armor you need special training for. Giving you shitty rusty power armor at first so that they could force in more worthless modular upgrades was terrible, the core system was terrible, overall it was just a bad idea.
Anonymous No.718365467 >>718365538 >>718366164
>>718364757
Ok so Fallout 2 was shit and 3 continued the trend of Fallout being shit, now what's your argument
Anonymous No.718365489
>>718364489
>Fallout is entirely about the logistics of the post-apocalypse.
Anonymous No.718365538
>>718365467
>Ok so Fallout 2 was shit and 3 continued where Fallout 1 left off
FTFY
Anonymous No.718365539
>>718362882
PRIASE ATOM
Anonymous No.718365567 >>718370289
>>718364891
>and Fallout = le retro wacky 50s!
I wonder where they got it from
Anonymous No.718365608
>>718365423
I get why they wanted that Tech Demo moment in Concord but they should have made the power armor and minigun scripted to break as soon as you kill the Deathclaw

A lot of games do that, give you endgame powers for one moment early on
Anonymous No.718365624 >>718365714
>>718362781 (OP)
Nothing. They canonically eat nothing.
Yes I am aware this makes zero sense but that's explicitly what we're told they eat, NOTHING.
There's no rain in the whole DC area, there's no plant life either. The biosphere is completely dead yet the people of the wasteland aside from like three individuals have zero issues with food or water.
Anonymous No.718365687 >>718365748 >>718377609
>>718362781 (OP)
They didn't have the memory or space to put in gardens or Brahmin ranges but you're supposed to infer this if you have an IQ over 70
Anonymous No.718365689
>>718362781 (OP)
Didn't they have a noodle shop
Anonymous No.718365714 >>718365774 >>718366026
>>718365624
Did Bethsda ever give an official explanation why it never even rained? We never got rain or drastic weather patterns in a 3D Fallout until the HH DLC, even though Oblivion had weather.
Anonymous No.718365748 >>718365835 >>718366069 >>718367295
>>718365687
It's weird how they bitch about that but no one mentions thinks about how a massive city like New Vegas gets power despite all the power lines being down.
Anonymous No.718365768 >>718365912 >>718366021
What do they eat?
Anonymous No.718365774 >>718366021
>>718365714
The nukes were so intense in the area they permanently fucked the weather cycle locally.
So it hasn't rained in over 200 years, hence no plant life.
Anonymous No.718365835 >>718366069 >>718372557
>>718365748
Or being fed by the three patches of corn outside Vegas.
Anonymous No.718365903 >>718365968 >>718366203 >>718366724
>What do they eat?
Anonymous No.718365912
>>718365768
There's an unseen kitchen, during SM64 the castle was in some kind of magical hold by Bowser so the Toads probably were just hanging out for an hour or so while Mario handled it
Anonymous No.718365968
>>718365903
>YOU could have done this years ago and made millions like he did
Tick tock /v/
Anonymous No.718366009 >>718366241
>>718365302
>>718365306
>>718365368
You guys know there's more than one kind of world building, right?
Not literally every fucking game or piece of fiction needs to be entirely believable and realistic.
Whimsy and zaniness are just as valid a form of world building as realism.

Fallout 3 opted to be zany instead of realistic. None of the previous games had a unifying tone, so what's the issue?
Too autistic to accept a different style of world building?
Anonymous No.718366021
>>718365768
The Toads eat each other and drink water from around the moat and Hazy Maze Cavern lmao

>>718365774
Right and the bulk of the nukes hit DC because it's the capital.
Anonymous No.718366026 >>718366259
>>718365714
It was established in the original fallout games that the world periodically goes through intense droughts because the nukes permanently fucked up the weather cycles.
The whole plot of Fallout 2 kicks off because the village of Arroyo is experiencing a historically terrible and lengthy drought. You also find out many, many other villages are struggling for the same reason. The distinct lack of vegetation in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 hint that the world experiences very little rainfall now, turning the entire world into an arid wasteland. Fallout 2 takes place in Southern Oregon/Northern California, which are quite dense with wilderness, but in game they are barren deserts.
That's why.
Anonymous No.718366069 >>718366257 >>718366314 >>718366405 >>718373220
>>718365835
>>718365748
While we're bitching, how the fuck does this guy know for sure that

>the NCR is going to run out of food ten fucking years from now
>they can't do anything to prevent it unless they invent their own deus ex machina
Anonymous No.718366083
>>718365291
The Fallout loading screen shows how Fallout's power armor works.
It's a rubberized/aramid bodysuit that provides NBC protection and ballistic protection. Over this is a lightweight man portable frame and power system to provide strength and to make the system self-supporting.
Over this frame are the armor plates and other systems.
The whole system is man portable, if heavy.
Anonymous No.718366162
>>718362781 (OP)
Something other than cocks, because OP took all those.
Anonymous No.718366164
>>718365467
Fallout 2 is great, faggot.
Anonymous No.718366203
>>718365903
>Dude what if I treat le game...like le life.... like taxes and emplyoment rate... and I stand in front of a green screen saying relatable chungus stuff for 10 minutes
These channels are so annoying
Anonymous No.718366241 >>718367716 >>718367939
>>718366009
Pic related is you to a fucking tee.
Anonymous No.718366257
>>718366069
I think it was just an excuse for the player to see the NCR is a negative light from the inside. It is dumb when the Followers actively support them in some cases.
Anonymous No.718366259 >>718366383 >>718366407 >>718366602 >>718366668
>>718366026
FO1-2 take place in areas that IRL are dry. FO3 takes place in DC of all places and there is not a single character who mentions rain as ever having occurred ever.
It's nonsensical.
You NEED rain as a basis for the foodchain and yet FO3 has been a lifeless wasteland for over 200 years. Somehow everyone is in good physical condition despite issues like 'having no water' and 'having no food' being present for CENTURIES.
Anonymous No.718366314 >>718373269
>>718366069
NCR experienced massive population growth so that's probably why. Assuming they actually have comprehensive census and agricultural data on hand (which would be a feat, but not impossible for a bureaucracy like the NCR) they could look at how many people they have and how much food their farms are producing + whatever they are importing from elsewhere, and compare to see if their current supply can meet demand.
Anonymous No.718366383 >>718366503 >>718366562
>>718366259
Oregon is not dry lol
Anonymous No.718366402 >>718366474
>>718364489
Fallout has never been about logistics. Fallout 1 had a magic virus that turns all animals into giant murderous versions of themselves.
Anonymous No.718366405
>>718366069
he's a salesman, retard, he doesn't know shit
Anonymous No.718366407
>>718366259
>Reno
>In Oregon or Northern California
Uh, what? Fallout 2 takes place largely in and around the actual Mojave desert.
Anonymous No.718366474 >>718367358
>>718366402
FO1 didn't introduce FEV as an all-purpose science macguffin. In FO1 all the mutations aside from supermutants are due to plain old radiation.
Anonymous No.718366478 >>718366660 >>718366916
>>718363741
>Like I know certain foods like SPAM is made to last long but 200+ years in the future is pushing it.

Not really. Anything canned lasts an extremely long time.

Back in 2015 some scientists did a study on some Victorian English canned goods from the 1840s and they found that they were still nutritionally viable and would keep you alive. They even tasted them and said they taste was palatable just a little bland.

If you have canned goods past the "best by" date don't throw them out, just use them.
Anonymous No.718366503
>>718366383
Klamath ingame is surrounded by trees.
Anonymous No.718366562
>>718366383
Hence FO1-2 has plantlife, nigger kun.
FO3 has no living plants, outright said explicitly which is absolute nonsense if you understand the biosphere.
Anonymous No.718366602 >>718366679
>>718366259
>You NEED rain as a basis for the foodchain and yet
aquafers and ground water is a thing
Anonymous No.718366632 >>718366791
>Elder Scrolls fanbase
>Either a <90 IQ drooling retard or 120+ IQ worldbuilding connoisseur, both never take things too seriously

>Fallout fanbase
>Exclusively 100 IQ buttblasted midwits arguing about nonsensical stuff some writer thought up in five minutes while on crunch time and treating it like their bible

Why is it like this?
Anonymous No.718366660 >>718366916
>>718363241
>>718366478
>>718363741
I saw a guy drink a 110 year old Coca Cola and get fucked up but it looked like the reason why is because the caps were made with a layer of cork back then and the cork had decomposed, then floated and dissolved in the liquid for a century
Anonymous No.718366668 >>718366856
>>718366259
I've been defending Fallout 3 itt, but this is a complaint I agree with.
DC is a swamp, not a desert. But it seems when making Fallout 3 Bethesda didn't want to deviate from the standard "post apocalypse = desert" framework.

Also they really could have spent more time on making new, original enemies.
I mean, why are there scorpions in DC?
Anonymous No.718366679 >>718366896 >>718367240
>>718366602
Play FO3 before you make posts, jeet. FO3 has neither of those and canonically even the river is still irradiated to fuck, even though you can't actually irradiate water much at all.
Anonymous No.718366724
>>718365903
theres probably hundreds of channels like this that get like 50 views and yet this guy blew up
Anonymous No.718366779 >>718377609
iguanas
Anonymous No.718366791
>>718366632
Because every Fallout since the first game hasn't really been consistent. Casuals hate Bethesda and think that everything Black Isle did was amazing despite the devs saying otherwise. They've even made up a fake scenario that Obsidian and Bethesda have bad blood or something retarded despite both Avellone and Saywer telling them that it isn't true. And the only reason that Obsidian will never Fallout again is due to their retarded CEO Feargus who tried sue Bethesda Softworks and Zenimax.
Anonymous No.718366856 >>718367037
>>718366668
>I mean, why are there scorpions in DC?
Yeah those mosquito enemies shoudlve been in the game along with the floating parasites and the dragonflies.
Anonymous No.718366896 >>718366970
>>718366679
People clearly consume radiation in Fallout without dying
Anonymous No.718366916 >>718368637
>>718366478
>>718366660

I wouldn't trust something bottled the way I would something canned. If the seal on any food gets broken at all then bacteria can get in and then its fucked.

But so long as its air tight then it can't really go bad.
Anonymous No.718366970 >>718367046
>>718366896
>Jeet still hasn't played FO3
The entire plot of FO3 is that the irradiated water is killing people
Yes this is the plot despite not a single character ingame dying from radiation poisoning
Imagine if the plot to skyrim was dragon attacks but not a single time is there a single casualty from dragons or even a visible dragon ingame
Anonymous No.718367037
>>718366856
I think Bethesda had a limited budget for animations at the time, that's why they never included the floater, despite wanting too.
Anonymous No.718367046 >>718367096
>>718366970
>Yes this is the plot despite not a single character ingame dying from radiation poisoning
Anon...the player can die from too much rads, you can even see NPCs die from too much rads
Anonymous No.718367096 >>718367169
>>718367046
NPC's are immune to radiation, and the player dying from radiation is a non-canon event as soon as the BoS DLC is installed.
Come on jeet, actually play the game.
Anonymous No.718367169 >>718367250
>>718367096
Liam Neesons from Tooken dies of radiation, and so does the water begging bum if he drinks contaminated water
Anonymous No.718367209 >>718367218 >>718367386 >>718367469 >>718367662 >>718367750 >>718370778 >>718375421
Uhhh.... exactly WHO started the Great War again?
Anonymous No.718367218
>>718367209
Me.
Anonymous No.718367240
>>718366679
Realistically there should be no radiation anywhere in the Fallout series save for locations with leaking reactors, nuclear waste, or bombs, because radiation doesn't stick around for long. After 100+ years there should be no radioactive water anywhere in the wasteland.
Anonymous No.718367250
>>718367169
James dies from an exploding machine that shouldn't even be able to emit radiation. Not the best example to use Sukdeep
Anonymous No.718367265 >>718373392 >>718373482
>checking out area in game
>someone made a whole farm area with water tanks, beds, tents
>there's a solar panel array
>manned sentry towers around the perimeter
>school
>hospital
>bunks for men and women
>biofuel refinery
>90% of this shit isn't used for any quests it's just there because someone wanted to make it seem somewhat realistic
wtf lol
Anonymous No.718367275
>>718364757
>Scientologists
and bethesda brought them back for nuka world
Anonymous No.718367295
>>718365748
House says the electricity comes from the Hoover Dam.
the NCR fixed the underground electrical grid somehow, but i guess that is plausible given that the electrical grid in DC(the city that got hit the worst) also has it's electrical grid still functioning, stated in a terminal somewhere around the nortwestern paart of the map.
Anonymous No.718367358 >>718367424 >>718368335
>>718366474
Some of the npcs like Razlo talk about how radiation shouldn't mutate the radscorpions so much, so the only option left would be FEV.
Anonymous No.718367386 >>718367858
>>718367209
China or House or Vault Tec.... Bethesda can't get it straight
Anonymous No.718367424 >>718369140
>>718367358
That's just leaving the mutations ambiguous, you're not supposed to think too much about it.
Anonymous No.718367450 >>718367550 >>718367591
>>718365291
power armor is 85lbs in fallout 1 and was retconned to 42lbs in fallout 2. In both games, the armor gives you a massive Armor Class bonus which is a chance to dodge damage.
it's strong, relatively lightweight metal armor with a powered carriage for support and movement capabilities.
Anonymous No.718367469 >>718367662
>>718367209
Thanks to FO3 DLC, aliens canonically started the nuclear war.
I wish that was a joke.
Anonymous No.718367532 >>718368389
>>718365192
>It was only made non-canon by Bethesda, same with tactics
Actually, Bethesda still considers Tactics canon.
The BoS being in 3 is connected to the Tactics intro, and it got cards in the MTG collab, something that BoS didn't get.
Anonymous No.718367550
>>718367450
>power armor is 85lbs in fallout 1 and was retconned to 42lbs in fallout 2. In both games, the armor gives you a massive Armor Class bonus which is a chance to dodge damage.
Nitpick but AC represents 2 factors.
1: The ability to outright shrug off damage and have it ricochet off you
2: The ability to dodge attacks
Power armor primarily gains from the first, not the second because it makes you a bulkier target.
Anonymous No.718367591 >>718367642 >>718367663
>>718367450
Armor class can't just be dodginess because then how would metal armor have higher AC than leather

AC also covers when a bullet just plinks off you like robocop
Anonymous No.718367642
>>718367591
Leather armor actually has more AC than Metal armor in FO1-2.
Anonymous No.718367643 >>718367907
>>718364489
talking deathclaws
Anonymous No.718367662 >>718367736 >>718367858
>>718367209
Tim Cain said at one point the original cause for the nukes dropping was China finding out about FEV and some of the creatures and bioweapons the US were developing with it, so China shot first. Its unlikely thats still the canon reason under Bethesda though, especially with all of the Vault Tec stuff in the show.

>>718367469
That audio tape is cut content. At some point in development even they realized the implications it would have on the setting was retarded.
Anonymous No.718367663
>>718367591
Metal armor in 1/2 has 10ac bonus, while Leather Armor has 15 ac.
Perhaps you're thinking of the leather jacket, which has 8
Anonymous No.718367716 >>718367939
>>718366241
Fallout 3 was not a post-apocalypse simulator. none of the Fallout games were simulations or 100% REALISTIC SCIENCE BASED HARD SCIFI by any measure. You're just a whiny little bitch and I fuck your ass
Anonymous No.718367736
>>718367662
The alien tape isn't cut content, it's still in the game lmao. Hence aliens started the war.
Anonymous No.718367750 >>718367858
>>718367209
>According to Tim Cain
China but it doesn't really matter
>according to Bethesda
Aliens, but China was ready to hit the red button
>According to Amazon
Vault-Tec, for all we know the war might not have happened if the elites weren't influencing the world in the background
Anonymous No.718367858 >>718367948
>>718367750
>>718367386
>>718367662
I wanna chime in that "Vault-Tec started the war" is an idea that originated in an unproduced Fallout movie script in 1998, so it was bouncing around Interplay before FO2 even came out
Anonymous No.718367907
>>718367643
Talking racoons were intended to be in FO1. It's not a stretch that the hyperevolved superpredators could mutate to talk as well.
Anonymous No.718367939 >>718367981 >>718368007 >>718368147 >>718368354 >>718368391
>>718367716
>>718366241
Why are Fallout fans autistic about realism, when the Fallout franchise at its core is just a spiritual successor to the Wasteland series AKA what if Mad Max was an RPG.
Anonymous No.718367948
>>718367858
that doesn't mean it's
>good
>canon
Anonymous No.718367981
>>718367939
Big chungus
Anonymous No.718368007 >>718368041
>>718367939
Tl;dr
Bethesda is known for making some really good lore and worldbuilding in their games
But when they make fallout they do the bare minimum viable product and it detracts from the story and setting as a whole
Hence people get upset over this
Anonymous No.718368041 >>718368129
>>718368007
Yeah, because not knowing what the people in Tenpenny Tower eat really ruins the whole fucking game. Literally unplayable putrid dogshit.
Anonymous No.718368072
>>718364087
It doesn’t make it look harsher, it makes it look retarded.
Anonymous No.718368129 >>718368215
>>718368041
Yes, there being a tower of 'rich' people who apparently don't produce or own anything, does ruin the game you nigger.
All Bethesda had to do was make Tenpenny tower full of water barons, farm owners, weapon manufacturer CEO's and such.
But NOBODY makes anything in FO3, there's not a single fucking person who produces.
Which detracts from the setting as it makes the game feel retarded.
You're running around doing quests for PARASITES who just consume.
Anonymous No.718368147
>>718367939
>Why are Fallout fans autistic about realism, when the Fallout franchise at its core is just a spiritual successor to the Wasteland series AKA what if Mad Max was an RPG.
Anonymous No.718368194
how come elder and scrolls and fallout never got any novels made?
there are tons of stuff to write stories about
Anonymous No.718368212
>>718362882
Deboonkbros....... not like this......
Anonymous No.718368215 >>718368282
>>718368129
You're nuts, dude. It doesn't fucking matter. If it was a wasteland simulator then yeah it would matter, but it's not. All kinds of silly, wacky, and unrealistic shit has been a part of the setting since forever. If you want a 100% realistic post apocalypse game then go play something else.
Anonymous No.718368282 >>718368318
>>718368215
>Just have no standards GOY
Nah I'll have standards and I'll keep making you third worlders upset by having them.
Anonymous No.718368294
>>718364364
>>718365396
>what the fucking toads in Mario eat
Mario is a simple platformer that has a story out of the fact that it’s only there to justify the gameplay and Fallout is an RPG where the story is part of the whole thing since you are playing as someone interacting with the world and not just running through levels stomping on shit.
> You retards are too dumb to understand what Fallout 3 (which is not an artistically complex game) was even going for, and critique for failing to live up to standards it was never supposed to have
More like you’re coping because you finally stopped trying to argue something that has no answer so you’re just saying it was done purposely when it’s clear they tried and failed to explain shit but were too retarded to put any sort of logic into it.
>It's like saying the story telling in Tetris is lacking
It’s not, and all you can do is give false equivalence to cope.
Anonymous No.718368318 >>718368353
>>718368282
I demand to know why Brahmin have two heads. It doesn't make any fucking sense. Game is trash.
Anonymous No.718368335
>>718367358
Originally it was canon that the laws of physics and the laws of nature worked differently in the Fallout universe, behaving more like how people in the 50s through radiation and science worked. It was more akin to 50s pulp science fiction. Most of this was detailed in the Fallout Bible. That's why you get things like giant insects, radiation zombies, and two-headed cows.
But Chris Avellone later stated that the Fallout Bible was no longer canon. He basically retconned all of his old lord after NV released. Now FEV has become a convenient magical plot device which can be used to explain anything sci-fi within the setting. Mutant bugs, ghouls, two-headed cows, giant bighorn sheep, giant geckos, are all caused by FEV just leaking into the air currents from when West Tek got nuked.
Anonymous No.718368353 >>718368423 >>718368521
>>718368318
Radiation and fucked up breeding. Pay attention, I know it's hard for you thirdies.
Anonymous No.718368354 >>718368463
>>718367939
They're literally too stupid to see the difference between realism and believability in Ludo Narrative Dissonance.
Anonymous No.718368389
>>718367532
>Actually, Bethesda still considers Tactics canon.
They consider *parts of it* canon. The midwestern chapter of the BOS exists, but Vault 0 doesn't.
Anonymous No.718368391
>>718367939
It’s not realism it’s believable, immersion is important to these sorts of games since it’s helps with the main facet which is role playing. If you have a world that has humans that are like you and I then you have to show how they live, especially if there are fantastical elements since that helps ground everything.
Anonymous No.718368395
>>718364087
>It's similar to how none of the Mad Max movies explain where people get food outside of maybe scavenging.
The game did a good explanation for it in regards to the major power in Gastown if you know where to look. For the smaller factions like Pinkeye, Deep Friar and Jeet you can infer based on the maggot farms and general malnutrition that plagues their people. The fact that you get sent out to raid a buried church of its canned goods implies that food preservation is no longer feasible.
Anonymous No.718368423 >>718368457 >>718368473
>>718368353
how are radscorpions so big? IRL they would suffocate and die due to their limited surface area vs mass ratio, and the air is shittier in fallout. it doesn't make sense, very unrealistic. dumpsterfire writing and worldbuilding
Anonymous No.718368439 >>718368895
>>718363075
And this is why I think mega evolutions in pokemon are lazy, it's not a new feature to just make 1 pokemon really big that's retarded
Anonymous No.718368457
>>718368423
Basically Fallout runs on 50s scifi logic
Anonymous No.718368463 >>718368760
>>718368354
But the believability is shit as well.
Anonymous No.718368473 >>718368521
>>718368423
>The retarded nigger is trying to compare worldbuilding like producing weapons, to 50's sci fi tropes
Lol, lmao
Protip, FO1 had production! That's why people are upset that FO3 lacks any.
Anonymous No.718368521 >>718368579 >>718368582
>>718368353
>>718368473
>magic radiation is okay but I demand complete realism elsewhere
nah man you're just retarded
Anonymous No.718368579 >>718368626
>>718368521
Why are you so desperate to eat slop that you have to dismiss basic shit and be dishonest?
Anonymous No.718368582 >>718368626
>>718368521
>Having in-universe rules like weirdo-radiation is the same as people making guns or food
They're not the same no matter how much your disease-addled brain says otherwise.
Anonymous No.718368626 >>718368685 >>718368703
>>718368579
>>718368582
The radiation magic means they don't need as much food.
Anonymous No.718368637 >>718369064
>>718366916
>I wouldn't trust something bottled the way I would something canned. If the seal on any food gets broken at all then bacteria can get in and then its fucked.
Sounds like you haven't heard about the fucked up expedition to the Arctic where they cheaped out on the canning process. All while filling it up with barely eatable meat and offal to save a few pennies. Canning back could still fuck you up if they don't do it right the first time.
Anonymous No.718368685 >>718368720
>>718368626
That never happens because that’s shit writing used to ham fistedly answer a question. In fact it’s something I would expect Emil to say in a tweet.
Anonymous No.718368703 >>718368762
>>718368626
That's not how the radiation works though, the radiation harms explicitly in the same game. Try again.
Anonymous No.718368720 >>718368873
>>718368685
But that's how ghouls work. There's the in universe explanation you were begging for.

Yknow there's a lot of room between hating everything mindlessly and consuming everything mindlessly. It's a fucking video game anon. Relax.
Anonymous No.718368721
I like the talking animals and wish they stayed in the franchise, and no not because i want to fuck them.
I just think talking animals are cool.
Anonymous No.718368760 >>718368954 >>718368959 >>718370627
>>718368463
Depends on the player. Some people don't mind that a Legion of slaves in football pads is somehow a threat to a semi-professional military.
Anonymous No.718368762 >>718369251
>>718368703
>he doesn't know about ghouls
why get so mad about a game you haven't even played
Anonymous No.718368873 >>718368939 >>718369654
>>718368720
Humans aren’t ghouls retard, and there are far more humans than ghouls.
>Yknow there's a lot of room between hating everything mindlessly and consuming everything mindlessly.
Then why haven’t you found that since you explanation actually explain anything and is just an excuse. And your only argument for it is that it’s how one group works when that group is not representative of the general population.
>It's a fucking video game anon
Why do you faggots always need to appeal to triviality when you start to lose? Like I don’t get why you think that matters here when this is the fucking video games board where people talk about and argue games. If you can’t handle that then you shouldn’t be here.
Anonymous No.718368895
>>718368439
>mega evolution
Always seemed like a dumb concept to me. WHAT IF CHARIZARD BUT LIKE.... BETTER!
Anonymous No.718368939 >>718369230 >>718369332
>>718368873
Ghouls can live by radiation magic for pretty much ever until they go insane, no need for food and water, but I guess that's believable huh. I'm not losing, you're just looking more and more retarded all the time.

maybe everyone is part ghoul. That's why the Enclave got so mad in F3 anyway so it makes sense.
Anonymous No.718368954 >>718368995 >>718369280 >>718370627
>>718368760
Yeah, The Legion only works if you believe that Melee builds are canonically viable, else you're gonna be bothered by the guy in fake roman armor cutting armed soldiers by the dozen with a giant greatsword.
Anonymous No.718368959
>>718368760
>Depends on the player. Some people don't mind that a Legion of slaves in football pads is somehow a threat to a semi-professional military
Yeah the people that bitch about it are the ones that don’t pay attention and spend all of their time browsing wiki articles and subreddits.
Anonymous No.718368995
>>718368954
Fallout should take a step away from all the silly stuff and be more like Starfield. Now that's good, realistic writing.
Anonymous No.718369064
>>718368637

You mean the Terror and Erebus expedition to find the North East passage where the company that did the canning used lead in the canning process resulting in the food being lead poisoned.

Yeah, I know about it. But I would point out that nothing canned today is going to have those problems.

On a side note I'd highly recommend the AMC miniseries The Terror about the ill fated expedition. Great show. Just skip the second season, its a totally different story and it sucks.
Anonymous No.718369140 >>718369359
>>718367424
I'm half convinced that Razlo's line was just a wink at the audience about the silliness of Fallout's setting, but then the Lieutenant has lines about everyone in the wasteland already being exposed to the FEV. So it's pretty obviousthat the dev team just didn't give much of a shit about it.
Anonymous No.718369145
They eat Moira's shit
Anonymous No.718369230
>>718368939
That was a retcon that was unretconned and then re-retconned. No one likes that shit with the ghouls. Also you’re still not explaining how that applies to humans. But you can’t address the human element since it shows why you need to explain how people live which goes against your bullshit.
>maybe everyone is part ghoul
No, there is a very specific thing with being a ghoul and your average person doesn’t even have radiation resistance let alone immunity.
>That's why the Enclave got so mad in F3 anyway so it makes sense
Imagine being so retarded you have to argue in favor of a game you haven’t played. The Enclave do that because they view everyone as mutants because they have been exposed to radiation and or mutation not because everyone is part ghoul.
Anonymous No.718369251 >>718369286
>>718368762
>Implying everyone is ghouls in FO3
What did jeet mean by this?
Anonymous No.718369280 >>718369389 >>718370627 >>718373523
>>718368954
The legion isn’t exclusively melee they use guns and other weapons.
Anonymous No.718369286
>>718369251
The Enclave is mad that almost everyone is mutated, so maybe everyone is part ghoul. That's why they need less food.
Anonymous No.718369332 >>718369401 >>718369404 >>718369462 >>718369485
>>718368939
>Ghouls can live by radiation magic for pretty much ever until they go insane, no need for food and water,
I don't know how this became a continuity issue to begin with because the central conflict with Necropolis in 1 is that the player needs the water chip from vault 12
Anonymous No.718369359
>>718369140
Or it could just be that you’re trying to explain mutation to what is effectively a medicine man.
Anonymous No.718369389 >>718369448 >>718370627
>>718369280
They canonically banzai the shit out of the NCR with machetes.
Anonymous No.718369401
>>718369332
There is one ghoul in 2 that was buried alive for a few weeks and then they showed them needing food and water again in NV and then the shit with the fridge kid in 4.
Anonymous No.718369404
>>718369332
Regardless of whether they're immortal or not, they draw energy from radiation and need less food and water than most people. Not only that but it actually heals them physically.
Anonymous No.718369448
>>718369389
Yeah but they also use guns and shit and the wave tactics are both for terror and to soft them up for the better troops.
Anonymous No.718369462
>>718369332
Because 2 has one Ghoul canonically say he's gone for months without food or water, so Bethesda decided that that meant Ghouls don't actually need to eat or drink.
Anonymous No.718369485 >>718369542
>>718369332
they very obviously weren't meant to be supermen in fallout 1 they were just meant to be irl ghoul adjacent but then fallout 2 fucked up everything like fallout 2 always does lol
Anonymous No.718369542
>>718369485
Bethesda ruined Fallout 2.
Anonymous No.718369581 >>718369648 >>718369674 >>718369675 >>718369725
Agatha, the old lady violin lady, gets her food from caravans. She explicitly states this, and they worry about her if she's not their to trade for supplies when they come around. It's established that food is being caravanned around the wasteland and can be bartered in exchange for anything, even just running a radio station of violin music. Besides that the player encounters hunters and cannibal hunters caravanning meat around the wasteland, they can even buy/barter for it.
Anonymous No.718369648
>>718369581
>It's established that food is being caravanned around the wasteland
You can even upgrade all the Caravans by investing in them
Anonymous No.718369654 >>718369868
>>718368873
>Why do you faggots always need to appeal to triviality when you start to lose?
why can't we just talk about video games without winning or losing. what the fuck is wrong with you. do you do anything besides argue about shit on the internet and get angry all the time
Anonymous No.718369674 >>718369718
>>718369581
this post was taken, word for word, from this
https://youtu.be/QxvxVS8RGJY
you didn't even try to hide it
Anonymous No.718369675
>>718369581
Food being in caravans is fine but where do the caravans get the food? There's no farms. There's no WILD plants to harvest either.
Anonymous No.718369718
>>718369674
Anonymous No.718369725 >>718369764 >>718369779 >>718369857 >>718370164 >>718370443
>>718369581
You retards always use the caravan cope but fail to realize that you’re just adding extra steps since where the fuck do the caravans get the food and how the fuck do they operate without any central trade hub
>inb4 muh canterberry commons
Yeah the fucking MCU shit town isn’t a trade hub. It’s a few wrecked buildings that has two retards fighting in it. Fallout 1 has The Hub and NV has Crimson Caravans other groups in the Vegas area.
Anonymous No.718369764
>>718369725
Aliens beam it to them
Anonymous No.718369779
>>718369725
Aliens beam it into my ass, they eat my ass for food.
Anonymous No.718369812 >>718369881 >>718369897 >>718369910 >>718369930 >>718370662
What do they eat? And don't say they trade that doesn't count for some reason.
Anonymous No.718369857 >>718369941
>>718369725
>if I can't see it then it doesn't exist
Are you an infant?
Anonymous No.718369868 >>718369932
>>718369654
Because you and I have a differing opinion on a matter that has a clear right and wrong answer and instead of just saying “I’m wrong” and moving on you need to prolong the bullshit and ignore reality like a toddler. It’s not hard, if you don’t want to do this then fuck off, and when I say fuck off I mean fuck off, no passive aggressive indirect replies, no samefagging, no crying and bitching about the website, no appealing ti triviality. Just fucking off plain and simple. If you don’t like that then that’s your problem. And don’t bitch about arguing or getting angry you’re the one that is here with everyone. You’re just getting pissy because you’re not getting your way again like a toddler.
Anonymous No.718369881
>>718369812
>Jeets are unable to realize the argument against FO3 caravans is a question of production not transportation
Lol
It must be dreadful to have a brain that can only go A
>>718369812
Actually there's a whole ass small town tucked away in a place you never need to go and that has nothing of importance besides small farms
>>718369812
chips
>>718369812
>What do they eat?
Nigga what the fuck do the residents of the Strip eat? The NCR corn field is being watered with radiation from a local Vault meltdown.
>>718369868
You need to calm down, you're not thinking clearly. There is no objective right or wrong in this "argument" anon. You're a whiny faggot who needs to go back to twitter.

You are wrong, and you'll always be wrong.
>>718369857
>there is totally a whole dedicated caravan network bro and a central trade hub, but uhh it’s just hidden but it’s there I swear
Do you think that something like that can just be glossed over?
>>718369941
Genuine question, are you autistic? Like for real? When you read books do you start wondering why people aren't regularly going to the bathroom?
>>718369976
they are in the books i read
>>718369930
>what the fuck do the residents of the Strip eat?
It's explicitly stated that food is becoming rarer, only the wealthier people in the strip have reliable meals. Freeside and the slums are starting to struggle
Who cares what they eat, I need to know where do they shit?
>>718369932
Okay so now you’re just trying to say I’m mad in order to do ad hominem. There is a clear right and wrong since it’s based off of shit that can be observed both in the games and in reality and you basically gave up on arguing because you had nothing and need to deflect to bitching about me.
>You're a whiny faggot who needs to go back to twitter
Did I hit a nerve calling you a toddler? Are you going to cry that 4chan is too hard that you can’t defend the argument that you chose to get into and that you can leave at anytime by just saying you were wrong? But that would require you to swallow your pride and you can’t do.
>>718370035
all of the toilets which miraculously still have fully functioning plumbing
but of course i know what you really mean, where does moira brown specifically shit, that would be the bathroom just above craterside supply
>>718369976
Do you think a video game is the same as a book? Books don’t show every second but moments. Meanwhile in a game you are there and in a game like Fallout you can see the day to day activities people go through. Stop being a retard and pretending that you don’t know the difference. Or do you actually not know the difference?
>>718370048
4chan was never meant for srs bzns faggots like yourself, first of all.

Second you're still wrong, dude. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't real. You're crying about realism in a game with talking animals, living trees, radiation magic, aliens, and all kinds of wacky shit. You have brain problems and you're annoying. They eat food that gets shipped in from outside the Capital Wasteland. Don't like it? Too bad.
>>718369725
It's more meat based with hunters farming the abnormally large animals, the capital wasteland is much smaller population, any number of reasons.
>>718369976
>When you read books do you start wondering why people aren't regularly going to the bathroom?
>>718370080
>>718370112
You never have to piss or shit in Fallout. Bullshit babby game, literally unplayable. You don't even have to eat or drink and you never get cancer. Completely absurd and unbelievable, pure shit
>>718370207
all of that but 100% unironically, why don't any of the kids in little lamplight need to shit and piss while i watch
>>718365567
delete this
>>718370146
>>718370207
And it’s not all serious business but in this specific thread, in this specific chain we are having an argument and since you lost it and can’t argue your point you’re throwing a tantrum and crying about everything.
>Second you're still wrong, dude. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't real
Are you samefagging as the other retard that said this exact thing? What do you still think games are the same as books?
>You're crying about realism in a game
Never said anything about realism, this is about believability. Also you trying to trivialize all of this is just pathetic. Get over yourself, you failed to say why people not having food made sense and now you’re just lashing out.
>You never have to piss or shit in Fallout. Bullshit babby game
Is that why you’re having this tantrum over being wrong about parts of it? Also what baby game comments on the nature of conflict and mankind while having rape, cannibalism, and slavery? You just make these absolutely asinine statements.
>>718370352
Fallout is not a simulator please understand
>>718370164
Where are the settlement alighted hunting parties or the source of meat for the caravan? Again you keep stepping into bigger holes by trying to patch up the small ones.
>That one retarded Fallout youtuber who called Myron "Meer-non" which is complete and utter nonsense
>Myron outright says his own name in FO2
>>718369725
Canterberry Commons is fucking garbage for the location alone more than the meme fight with the bug loving bitch and the robo autist. Being located on the ass end of nowhere slapbang a deathclaw city and the Republic of Dave is not a good way to run a caravan operation. You should be somewhere near the center as not only a trading hub but also one that produces its own goods. You can only sniff around garbage cans for so long before you run out of shit to sell. They should've been comparable to how the Hub was with water. A main draw that will always be needed and then you have 3rd parties filling in the various niches providing the economic incentive is there to do so. Canterberry Commons is just a bunch of shitty roads and blown out buildings where you go to jerk off inbetween watching a pair of retards fight. You as a player have no reason to go out there beyond the novelty since the traders are always moving so it isn't convenient enough to serve as a main vendor.
>>718370380
It doesn’t have to be samefaggot. Fallout 1 explained all of this shit back in 95.
>>718370460
No it didn't. You didn't even play it, just watched someone else play in on youtube. Fallout is not a hard scifi series whether you like it or not. Maybe you should go play a different game.
>>718370538
Fallout isn't a very hard sci fi series but it's always been a series which points out logistics, trade and resource production being the cornerstones of society.
The very first game is about your people requiring a water chip, which you can steal from ghouls which dooms them to dehydration and death
If a game doesn't explain the economy and means of production in depth and on screen, then it's not worth playing.
>>718368760
>>718368954
>>718369280
>>718369389
The NCR-Legion war makes sense if you view it through the contemporary (to the time it was written) lens of US wars in the middle east

The war is existential for the Legion and it isn't for the NCR.
That's why Caesar lives 50 feet away from the frontline while Kimball visits once for half an hour and acts like it's a tremendous inconvenience from his actual important job of jerking off rich guys in his air conditioned mansion

It's like how the Taliban defeated the US but for some reason the US didn't end up all speaking Farsi and wearing burkas after the Taliban beheaded the president and marched through Washington DC. The Legion is literally only winning because the NCR is too bloated and corrupt to even meaningfully fight, and that's both a cope and an acknowledgement of a more significant way the NCR is fucked
>>718370627
>if you view it through the contemporary (to the time it was written) lens of US wars in the middle east
Something you should absolutely never do.
>>718369812
Fried radscorpion ass with a hint of agave sauce
>>718370596
I understand that you like economic thrillers. That doesn't mean everything has to be one.
>>718370538
>No it didn't
So you didn’t play Fallout 1 or are you just indignantly disagreeing because that’s the role you have resigned to in the thread just baby the crying toddler that says “nu uh” to everything I say. The Hub is the Major trade hub of the region aside from caravans it provides water like another anon said here>>718370443 then you have Shady Sands which is a farming community so the food question is obvious. Then you have Junktown in between that trades and has Brahmin, you also have Adytum which grows its own food as well.
>Fallout is not a hard scifi series whether you like it or no
So are you just arguing with your strawmen now? Because I never said it was scifi.
>>718362781 (OP)
Here i fixed it
>>718367209
>China
>US
>Skynet
>Canada
>Vault Tec
>Wanamingos
>>718370745
subtle
>>718370662
You ever wonder if some of these mutated animals might actually taste good? I'm sure Brahmin wouldn't taste too different to cows, just with more of a chance at having to cut tumors out of the meat before cooking it.
>>718370740
You're fucking miserable man. Are you even enjoying this
>>718370745
It’s amazing how the bethesdrones show the same understanding of the setting and criticism as bethesda itself. Like they really think it’s a matter of putting in memberberries and thinking that will make people like it.
>>718370717
Maybe Fallout isn't the series for you, because it's been that way since the first game.
>>718370826
>it explains shit
>nu uh
>shows how it explains shit
So are you just projecting? Because you’re the only one that seems miserable here, you’re just replying while saying nothing of note or value. It’s all just lashing out. Are you being paid to be here? Because if not you can leave at any time. It’s not like someone is holding a gun to your head to keep replying and engaging with the argument. Or is it just your ego?
>>718370795
I've always wanted to know what homebrewed Nuka Cola tastes like when you slap it together with some barrel cacti and agave fruits over an open fire. Otherwise bighorner steaks look pretty tasty.
>>718370840
>understanding
Bethesda turned a dead series into a multimedia, multibillion dollar franchise.
>>718370869
Yeah, what people lied about Fallout 1 was the detail on trade routes and production. Where do people get all their clothes though? I never saw anyone growing cotton or anything like that. The leather can come from Brahmin and other animals, but what about the textiles? Big plot hole IMO, anything scavenged would've rotted away by now.
>>718370914
Is that supposed to be good? Sometimes dead is better.
>>718370906
The food comes from outside of the Capital Wasteland on trucks.
>>718370916
They have farms, by extension they have some sort of textile industry. Plus a lot of animal hides.
>>718370948
There's nothing stopping you from enjoying the pre-bethesda games
>>718362781 (OP)
They eat bussy.
>>718370795
The only wasteland food items that people in universe actually complain about are tatos and mole rat. Mole rat apparently both tastes awful and makes you shid yourself and I'm guessing tatos are just bland af and people get way too many calories from them.
>>718370972
Where? Can you post a wiki link to where they grow the materials, weave them, and sew them together? I don't remember seeing that anywhere.
>>718370840
It's more so that the criticism is incredibly pedantic that serves no purpose and shouldn't be taken seriously.
When evidence of how Fallout 3s economy and society actually work is presented you move the goal post and create fallacious arguments to attempt to discredit it for bait. You don't care about a legitimate discussion so why should we?
Water merchants don't make sense, nor does it make sense they'd back a bottlecap as a currency as a placeholder for "actual water".
>>718370980
Oh look the toddler has to pretend he didn’t embarrass himself after pretending he didn’t ignore that he knows nothing about Fallout 1.
>There's nothing stopping you from enjoying the pre-bethesda games
I do enjoy them, which is why I call the bethesda ones shit and call them out. But you have an issue with that and have to keep going like this even though you can’t defend anything. Or is this just you teeing up to say “let people enjoy things”?
>>718371039
Play the games first, jeet.
>>718371068
>Or is this just you teeing up to say “let people enjoy things”?
If it cures your extreme case of Butthurt, sure
>>718371004
Mirelurks must be good eating since F3 makes a big point of having them as a primary food source with plenty of hunters getting murked from trying to kill them. By rights you should be getting a trunk load of oversized lobster meat from those irradiated shits rather than some half chewed claw in the loot tables.
>>718370980
>There's nothing stopping you from enjoying the pre-bethesda games
There sort of is, actually.
Because every time you try talking about "Fallout" everyone talks about FO3 onwards so the discussions are boring and dogshit.
>>718371068
You only hate them because it's trendy to do so and you're a herd animal, a group thinker. You have no individual thoughts in your brain. None of your arguments hold water but you just keep pretending, putting your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly, repeating yourself until people give up and you can pretend you somehow "won" what was originally a fun and silly discussion about a fun and silly game.
>>718371062
>It's more so that the criticism is incredibly pedantic that serves no purpose and shouldn't be taken seriously
Asking how people make their living and survive in a setting where resources are scarce is pedantic? I guess water doesn’t matter either right, I mean there is no way that it’s important to the game or its plot.
>When evidence of how Fallout 3s economy and society actually work is presented you move the goal post and create fallacious arguments to attempt to discredit it for bait
Except you retards don’t give evidence you just kick the can up the road and go into a bunch of circular logic and copes.
>You don't care about
Don’t go into fallacies retard, if i didn’t care I wouldn’t be here.
>Water merchants don't make sense, nor does it make sense they'd back a bottlecap as a currency as a placeholder for "actual water"
A group has an abundance of a resource which they use to trade for other shit, and since there is only so much water you can carry then you need something that functions as a placeholder which represents a certain amount. But good to know you can’t understand basic fucking economics.
>>718371231
>It's trendy to hate bethesda games
Talking shit about Bethesda gets you kicked out of most gaming discussions outright, shitting on Bethesda is about as anti-trendy as you can get.
>>718371274
Not interested in talking about resource scarcity in a game with talking ghouls and/or mutants.
>>718371123
No, it just lets me point out that you’re a consumer with zero critical thinking skills. Also it’s ironic you want to call me butthurt after you’ve been btfo twice after failing to argue and are just crying and hurling logical fallacies to cope.
>>718371231
>You only hate them because it's trendy to do so and you're a herd animal, a group thinker
No I hate them because it dumbs down the games and setting needlessly so it will appeal to the lowest common denominator.
>None of your arguments hold water
Is that why you can’t argue against me saying humans need food and everything I said about Fallout 1? And instead have to seethe and samefag?
>>718371321
Why don't you download the free creation kit and make your own better Fallout
>>718371318
Oh wow you really can’t help but just regurgitate whatever your corporate overlords say. Good consumer.
>>718371296
That was before Starfield.

>>718371378
Nothing will convince you. You've made up your mind and you're not willing to consider the possibility that you're wrong. You'll just keep moving the goalposts again and again. We're both wasting our time here, thanks for being a faggot
>>718371424
>>718371424
Why don’t you stop seething and crying about losing.
>>718371424
>The nu-fallout group meeting is made up of brownoids and femoids
>The NV side is wearing actual armor
>While the nu-fallout side are all in vault suits for no reason like a bunch of retards
Can't make this shit up.
>>718371068
>implying that having fun playing video games instead of getting angry about them is bad
sometimes I forget that there are some real fuckin fags posting here
>>718371434
>Nothing will convince you. You've made up your mind and you're not willing to consider the possibility that you're wrong
You’ve yet to give anything that comes close to proving me wrong and now you’re just saying that I’m being stubborn while you ignore both logic and evidence from the games.
The bar sells iguana bits.
>>718371502
>strawman
It’s more saying that having standards is good since that way you don’t just end up getting slop that takes decades to develop and is still buggy and unfinished. But i suppose that’s too much to ask.
>>718371468
What are you trying to prove with that image?
>>718371427
Newfag
>>718371580
Why are you deflecting? What did you not like me pointing out how you’re seething and crying over losing?
>>718362882
no fucking way
>>718371551
But where are the iguanas? This game is pure fucking dogshit.
>>718371634
Iguanas not being seen is fine, you'd have to be a proper hunter to find and catch them. Been that way since FO1.
Also the joke is that Iguana 'bits' are in fact human flesh.
>>718371601
So you weren’t repeating what pete said? Or do you not know who pete is and why that’s retarded?
>>718371634
Don't go into the manhole behind the counter.
>>718371628
>losing?
Losing what? I'm fine with Fallouts current direction.
Why doesn't everyone have cancer?
>>718371634
autism
>>718363275
In the first two games, most of the towns had clean water, cattle, and/or crops. Not enough to be realistic, but enough to show that they briefly thought about it.
>>718371676
>has to pretend he hasn’t been seething over people being critical
So you know you were wrong about humans needing to eat, and that you know nothing about fallout 1 and that you are just raging and samefagging because you were btfo and your ego won’t let you stop yet you want to say I’m miserable for being able to back myself up.
>>718371665
>igor cutting up bodies that he stole out of the cemetery
Still funny how midgets used to be an actual thing in Fallout before they were dumped. Not like Bethesda couldn't use the Bosmer as a stand in since they were just the same thing with a fantasy twist.
>>718365291
>OG power armor didn't require power armor training, and any dumbass tribal can run straight to Navaro and put on a full suit of Mk2
>Fallout 3 adds a power armor training perk requirement for balancing reasons since power armor can be looted off any BoS corpse
>Fallout 4 removes this and returns to the original lore of anyone being able to wear it
>new-fallout fans seethe and rage at bethesda for retconning established lore because they've never played the OG games
>>718371745
There are vendors in every town selling food and water.
>>718371771
What?
>>718371798
And the vendors get the food/water from?...
>>718363741
And don't forget, these foods were specifically made to survive hundreds of years just so people had food to eat.
>>718363741
The food is filled with a ridiculous amount of preservatives.
>>718371771
Meant for >>718371663
>>718371804
Get fucked
>>718365423
Maybe the worst opinion I've ever heard. If there was one good thing about Fallout 4, it was the way they handled power armor. It felt like actual power armor instead of just another outfit. It was dumb how they gave it to you immediately, but besides that the mechanics around it were better than any previous Fallout game.
>>718371798
>deflects to attempt to argue again
So you’re doing that autistic shit where you try and circle back to the topic you already failed to argue and why we are here in the first place?
>>718371791
>original lore
There was no original lore about wearing PA. It was put in 3 to prevent the player from scavenging a set early on. It was removed in 4 because they added durability to each of the armor sections and fusion cores.
>>718371863
>toddler is so enraged he can’t even focus on replying to the right people
4chan really isn’t for you, I would say you need to be 18 to post here but no one actually enforces that rule.
>>718364364
The first two games thought about it briefly.
>>718371870
Fallout power armor is man portable, NV confirms this. So the suits being so fucking big makes no sense.
>>718363140
that's what no game do to asperger fanbase
Remember that these guys have been seething about Fallout 3 relentlessly for almost 20 years. That's why they're like this.

>>718371847
Other people who sold it to them.
>>718371976
>Other people who sold it to them.
And they got it from?...
Protip, you can't have an economy entirely made of middle-men. WHO PRODUCED IT?
>>718371951
That's just silly. I know that's how it worked gameplay wise in previous games, but it doesn't make any logical sense unless they have some super light and durable alloy to make the armor from.
>>718371909
That's literally what I said though
>>718371468
at this point just burn all 'fan'base till even the born powder burns
>>718372028
Some guy in Rivet City does a lot of fishing and sells it to everyone at a low price. He finds all kinds of stuff out there.
>>718372037
T-51b is only rated for 2500 joules of energy for the outer armor shell.
It's not as huge and durable as you think, a .50BMG goes through power armor like butter.
>>718371976
I was 9 when Fallout 3 came out. It was my first fallout. I like it, then I played the other games and now I don’t see it as a good game. I was either young or not alive when everything was going on with Interplay and the buy outs. I come in with the perspective of someone that came into all of this relatively late and I can say for a fact that this shit is bad. And all you can do is make poor excuses and then cry when they don’t work.
>>718371909
>people meme on F2 for buckbreaking the progression by letting you get the 2nd best armor out the gate
>balance autists give you a half rusted set while tying them to fuel cells in F4
>FNV still keeps the required perk locked behind two story beats that you have to run through
>scatters the pieces around the world so you have to go on a treasure hunt to get the best stuff
>>718372062
What are you on about?
>>718365159
>Schizo faggot says that they are an existential threat
>Even midwit NCR troopers work out how to deal with them
>>718372103
I also played the originals after playing 3 and I still like it. Maybe you should stop letting people online influence your opinion so much
>>718372114
>balance autists give you a half rusted set while tying them to fuel cells in F4
The first power armor set you get in FO4 outclasses the highest end non-power armor sets in the game.
People have no clue how overpowered power armor is in FO4, even the RAIDER power armor outclasses end-tier armor sets.
>>718372173
He's mad that the artist who doesn't own the IP isn't mad.
>>718372197
>Maybe you should stop letting people online influence your opinion
You need to make up these scenarios because you know you can’t actually defend the quality of the Bethesda shit. Also you haven’t played the classics since you know nothing about 1 and when that was pointed out you just got pissy.
>>718372214
Yeah because it’s totally not scummy for a company to take fan art and then not even credit them.
>>718372093
>It's not as huge and durable as you think, a .50BMG goes through power armor like butter.
Which makes it more hilarious when the chinks were throwing bodies at the burgers despite guess rifles being a tangible thing in their forces. Power armor only really took off because most heavy equipment tied to vehicles was stopped dead by a total lack of fuel across the board. One dude carrying a rocket launcher is easier to supply over a tank that can't be pushed let alone maintained by a non existent logistical framework.
>>718365291
Bomb squad juggernaut. The female Vault Dweller and Chosen One were slender women, but the males were built like tanks.
>>718372256
You're talking to someone else, leave me alone. You've done nothing but bitch and moan for like 30 posts in this thread alone, probably thousands of identical posts over the past 2 decades. go do something else, maybe you could play a video game, wouldn't that be crazy. I bet you haven't enjoyed a video game since you were a kid and that's why you're so mad
>>718372319
Hard to get that Gauss-rifle shot off, when mr T-51b is man-handling a M2 browning or minigun or plasma rifle and he just turned Private Chang into meat-slime next to you.
>>718371791
Power armour could be stored in the inventory in the first two games and obtaining it was either late-game or very risky. Fallout 4 has a non-storable frame and is given very early.
>>718372329
>You're talking to someone else, leave me alone
If that were true you wouldn’t have replied.
>You've done nothing but bitch and moan for like 30 posts in this thread alone
Your projection gets more obvious with every reply especially since you have done nothing but complain without actually countering anything I have said you’re even doing it right now
>probably thousands of identical posts over the past 2 decades
I said I was 9 when 3 came out, do you have trouble with math?
>maybe you could play a video game
I’m playing San Andreas right now actually, pretty fun, but you’ll ignore that since it doesn’t fit the strawman of me that you need to exist to make yourself feel better.
>bet you haven't enjoyed a video game since you were a kid and that's why you're so mad
Nah, I enjoy plenty of games. And they’re not slop made for NPCs that will eat whatever is shat onto their plate.
>>718365835
That shows that they thought about it for two seconds, like for the first two games.
>What do they eat?
>Copy-paste some assets in the corner and be done with it.
>>718372360
By that logic can't Private Chang bury a tank rifle under some dirt and snipe their knees from the back due to homefield advantage? I'm sure the NCR Rangers were pulling similar tactics during the NCR-BoS wars in the core regions before they got pushed back to Helios One. Going by the game itself it isn't hard to build up a steady pile for the Anti Material rifle and even the Brush Gun makes Swiss cheese of T-51b when you have enough dudes laying into him.

Feels like power armor only really shines when you are fighting the modern equivalent of a Zulu armed with some shitty 9mm out in the open while you rip into them with some fusion powered lasers and turbo plasmas.
>>718372540
okay big guy
>>718372540
>>718372667
>I just want to be left alone
>keeps replying
Imagine trying to smugly wave something off only to contradict yourself. No wonder you keep losing, you don’t think before you post.
>>718372619
T-51b power armor soldiers did get killed on occasion, the NCR managed to kill a bunch with a lot less support than the Chinese army had.
Hence the US army started shitting out FEV mutants to biological-warfare China to death.
>>718372540
He mad
>>718372715
:)
>>718372667
>>718372736
>>718372691
>>718372739
>cries butthurt while samefagging
>>718362781 (OP)
Cannonically crops grow super quick thanks to the radiation so those indoor farms are able to provide enough food for everyone with little space.
>>718372749
>>718372785
Where are you getting this from?
>>718372785
Canonically there ARE no crops in FO3's wasteland. Worse there's not even wild plantlife that's alive. This is actual canon.
>>718372818
That's why everyone eats iguanas and squirrels instead.
>>718372810
I lived it, I was there, reincarnation.
>>718372804
>samefag has to say he’s baiting to cope
>>718372850
Which wouldn't be able to survive without plant life.
You getting the issue yet?
>>718372725
>Hence the US army started shitting out FEV mutants to biological-warfare China to death.
That would make for a decent survival horror premise. Proto centaurs, floaters and wannamingos with not even a fraction of the durability that their later versions will have. Using a mix of prisoners and test subjects from the homeland pulled up from the ensuring food riots and demonstrations.
>>718372891
The squirrels and iguanas live outside of the Capital Wasteland. They travel towards the settlements to be consumed because of radiation.
>>718372891
Yes they can.
>>718372952
Show the lore that says squirrels/iguanas survive without energy input.
>>718372891
The squirrels and iguanas eat people meat. That's why the supermuties dangle gore bags around their territories. Catching all of the wild game supplementing their food supply in the process.
>>718373004
I don’t even think that’s a lore thing? Like that just seems like it wouldn’t happen from a believability standpoint.
>>718373004
They're ghoulells and ghoulanas.
>>718372818
Rivet city is able to grow crops because they have access to clean water. It's seemingly the limiting factor.
>>718372818
Fungus still grows pretty abundantly. Also the presence of dead grass and shrubs 200 years after the bombs implies that plants can still grow in the wasteland, but by the time the game takes place, they are dead or dormant, probably due to drought.
All the trees are fucked though. I don't remember seeing a single living tree.
>>718373036
>>718373047
You're still not paying attention to the food chain.
>>718373060
They grow a couple carrots and potatos, not enough to feed many people.
>>718373069
The plants are dead, absolutely dead and have been dead for 200 years.
How this remotely makes sense the game never explains.
>>718373092
Small animals eat insects and they are then consumed by larger insects which are then consumed by larger animals. So on and so forth.
>>718373092
>You're still not paying attention to the food chain
What food chain? I’m talking about that all animals have an energy input.
>>718373069
>I don't remember seeing a single living tree.
Point Lookout might've had a few if you count swamp and punga trees as living.
>>718373132
The insects need something to eat too, there needs to be an energy input to the system. Normally this would be via plants.
But all the plants are DEAD.
>>718373174
Photosynthesis.
>>718373092
Abstraction of scale. They grow enough food to export
>>718366069
He's an unreliable ambitious retard. The writers want to make parallels with IRL California using wells (instead of nuclear-powered desalination) to grow almonds and cashews, but the NCR's population is much smaller (even taking into account the possibility of massive population growth since Fallout 2) and they are only growing corn and ranching cattle.
>>718373186
Something that ain't happening with dead plants mate.
>>718373186
Insects aren’t autotrophs.
>>718366314
Why aren't they exporting crops and water from the Mojave to California? Also Hildern doesn't bother to investigate why the sharecroppers are underperforming.
>>718373238
No, the insects can absorb sunlight and radiation. They are the source of nutrition.

>>718373259
It's radiation, I ain't gotta explain shit
This whole conversation is made worthless by the fact Bethesda simplifies their cities down to 1/5 to 1/10 of what's canonically there in the lore.
>>718373209
Except they don’t, no one does, which is why this question is being asked and why no one can answer it.
>>718362882
RE AND BUNKERPILLED
>>718373275
>No, the insects can absorb sunlight and radiation. They are the source of nutrition.
Unfortunately for you, fanon is not canon.
>>718373174
Zhe bugs eat mirelurks > squirrels eat zhe bugs > iguana eat zhe squirrels > supermutie eats zhe iguana > you eat zhe supermutie > you die of radiation poisoning > mirelurk eats you
>>718373275
>It's radiation, I ain't gotta explain shit
There is still a logic to how it works and does shit in universe and there are no autotrophic insects. Stop grasping at straws and just accept that you’re wrong.
>>718373209
They don't export shit. There's no fresh carrots or potatos anywhere BUT rivet city. It's a small scale experiment at most.
>>718367265
Nellis?
>>718373332
>zhe bugs eat mirelurks
How? Only a rad scorpion could potentially take one on and they’re almost always near water.
>squirrels eat zhe bugs
What squirrel is eating any of the bugs in fallout 3?
>>718373209
>They grow enough food to export
>>718373342
Radiation is literally energy. Do the math.
>>718373297
They npcs mention they export food so they literally do.
>>718373443
Not much in the wasteland actually consumes radiation aside from some ghouls and fungus in one cave.
>>718367265
>90% of this shit isn't used for any quests it's just there because someone wanted to make it seem somewhat realistic
You have to replace the solar array, clear out ants in the armory, help people that were attacked by ants in the infirmary. That’s more than ten percent right there.
>>718373456
Where do they say that and who says it?
>>718369280
Their experienced troops get good weapons like guns, but the cannon fodder grunts get machetes. The NCR's cannon fodder grunts get mediocre rifles.
>>718373523
Yes i mentioned that in another reply.
>>718373523
>service rifle
>mediocre
>>718373463
It's the most abundant source of energy and radiation accelerates evolution so the result is obvious. Ghouls are the next step in human evolution.
>>718373609
Ghouls are so rotted they canonically can't run. And they're usually all pissed off and grumpy.
I don't think they're the next step.
>>718362781 (OP)
There’s a mirelurk nest near megaton.
>>718370627
Ignoring the fact that the US created the Taliban and ISIS, the difference between a M16 and an AK47 is much smaller than the difference between a refurbished 200 year old mediocre service rifle and a lawnmower blade.
>>718372818
>. Worse there's not even wild plantlife that's alive.
You didn't play the game.
>>718373520
It was actually a terminal entry not an npc but the point still stands https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Rivet_City_terminal_entries#Council_Meeting_Minutes_3
>>718373663
There's also a bunch of radroaches nearby.
>>718373686
The Oasis doesn't count, it's a relatively new area and is not very large.
>>718370745
No, it's still retarded. Even the Mojave is treated as an unpopular foreign adventure for the Californians, let alone Washington DC on the opposite side of the country.
Just put some corn and brahmin assets and it's fixed.
>>718373692
Yeah that doesn’t make sense, just like it doesn’t make sense for Canterbury commons to be a trade hub.
>>718373761
Or just redesign the settlement to make sense. Maybe ditch the nuke as well.
>>718373764
Yes it does. It's a midway point to the next trading hub outside of the area. It's also a very secure position, because anything close to the city ruins is way too dangerous.
>>718371004
>people get way too many calories from them.
Potatoes having lots of calories is a good thing because it means that people have the energy to work. It only became something to keep an eye on relatively recently IRL because we make lots of food now and some jobs are sedentary.
>>718373764
It's abstraction of scale. Moat games with large farms don't even make them large enough to sustain the cities they're built near. Fallout takes it to the exteme with even tinier farms. 4 explains this by showing through gameplay and quests that crops grow very fast under ideal conditions due to radiation. The crops in the commmonwealth poison you with radiation if you eat them uncooked.
>>718373832
No it doesn’t, for trade there needs to be abundance and the garden they have is not enough to supply the city let alone beyond it. You seem to be confusing something being said with there being the ability to it to happen.
>It's also a very secure position, because anything close to the city ruins is way too dangerous
Then it sounds like a shit trade hub since barely anyone should be able to get close to it.
>>718373920
You're not thinking in practical terms. Trade from Rivet City comes along the coastline, anyway. Besides that, you need me in your ass.
>>718373919
You already used this cope and it still doesn’t make sense since one room isn’t going to feed a while fucking town and if it’s an abstraction of a city then one room isn’t going to feed a city.
>4 explains
Do, do you think Canterbury Commons is in Fallout 4?
>>718373919
4 doesn't explain shit. Without player involvement, there's basically just one actual city and like usual they DON'T PRODUCE FUCKING ANYTHING.
There's a few smaller places but they only do subsistence farming for themselves.
>>718373990
>You're not thinking in practical terms
You mean me pointing out how they don’t have the space nor resources to provide for themselves let alone have enough to trad is not thinking practically?
>Trade from Rivet City comes along the coastline, anyway
You say that as if it’s still not very dangerous and if it’s not then it’s not as secure as you said.
>Besides that, you need me in your ass.
Oh you’re a faggot.
>>718373607
Compared to the assault rifle, marksman rifle, and various heavy weapons, yes.
>>718374000
It's the explanation and it's true in spite of you plugging your ears and refusing to acknowledge it. Going your logic none of the farm in the West Coast or Mojave would work either. They are too small.
>>718374001
They do indirectly in the institute quest that tests the effects of radioactive soils om crop yield.
>>718374058
So in your mind, it can't be a real trade hub unless it's in the heart of the DC ruins and anything else doesn't count. Also your ass is begging
>>718374106
>It's the explanation and it's true in spite of you plugging your ears and refusing to acknowledge it
I’m not plugging my ears I gave an explanation as to why it doesn’t make sense. Not to mention you don’t even know what fucking game is being talked about. Seriously how fucking lost are you right now?
>>718374141
>The retards who don't even know what a synth is despite BUILDING THEM surely know about crops
Lol no
>>718374161
I see that you have nothing to counter what I said so have to make a strawman to cope. I mean you made a claim and aren’t trying to back it up. Not to mention you can’t say how what I said wasn’t practical.
>>718373809
Most of it isn't too retarded because they bothered to give it a lore explanation. If they put some corn and cattle assets inside like the previous games did, then it would have been fine. As it is, I just handwave it as the small water purifier making just enough to supply the town and trade for food.
>>718374251
But the lore is retarded since the U.S. was not using Fatman style atomic bombs during the Great War. The bombs were all hydrogen and mostly on ICBMs.
>>718374163
We're talking about how wrong you are about fallout 3 not depicting how food is grown despite it being explained. And you're getting caught up in your lack of understanding of abstraction of scale
>>718374163
How is the Strip able to survive off of irradiated corn?
>>718374218
Why even bother arguing if you're just going to ignore anything that doesn't support your opinion. You're just being dishonest at this point. You need to be tamed by my cock.
>>718374303
>We're talking about how wrong you are about fallout 3
Is that why you were talking about 4 and pretending that the Canterbury Commons was in 4? You keep trying to ignore that fact.
>not depicting how food is grown despite it being explained
In a game that isn’t Fallout 3. You keep trying to do this pathetic shit.
>abstraction of scale
So you think that one room can feed a while city and supply multiple settlement? Because it’s not a field or area that could be bigger. It’s a lab on a fucking aircraft carrier.
>>718373092
>the plants are dead, absolutely dead and have been dead for 200 years
I don't know, if you go in game and look at the grass, most of it doesn't look dead. It looks like it's in a state of dormancy, like when you don't water your lawn for a long time. There are species of grasses which evolved to survive in extreme droughts and can even survive for over a year without any water.
And we know that droughts happen regularly in the Fallout series, because a severe drought is the entire reason we are sent to find the GECK in Fallout 2.
Don't tell me you niggas unironically believe there's only 50 people in Whiterun.
This thread's too funny man.
>>718371468
>be bootlicking faggot
>god purnised for bootlicking faggot
>>718374321
1. The corn isn’t irradiated
2. They have a deal with some brahmin barons back in the NCR there is even a mission about it in NV. You see if you played the game you would know that.
>>718374427
Canonically it's dead, dead-dead. That's why people take the piss out of it.
>>718374481
That's bullshit because Brahmin eat it.
>>718374323
>no u ignoring
Why do you have to be so pathetic? Honestly, all you have done is squirm and cry whenever you can’t argue. You made claims you can’t back up or defend, and tried to use a strawman to cope. It’s not my fault you’re a desperate faggot. If you can’t handle it then go back.
>>718374490
Except they don't, and it raises further questions.
>>718374449
What do the Great khan and Boomers eat?
>>718374481
>source: my ass
>>718374296
The USA, Russia, and China still use strategic bombers. Even the Tsar Bomba looked roughly similar. The bomb in the middle of Megaton was an air-delivered bomb that didn't go off for whatever reason.
>>718374568
>Great Khans
Drugs
>Boomers
MREs
>>718374481
do you even have a single example to back that up?
>>718374568
>shows he didn’t play the game and his question is shown to be wrong right off the bat
>just doubles down and asks another question that shows he didn’t play the game
The Boomers have their own farms and the khans hunt and raid.
>>718374539
I've seen them do it.

>>718374508
Like you're doing right now? Straighten up fool before I straighten you up (with my cock)
>>718374321
>Misogyny
Actual retard. The Legion would have been fine as sexist survivalists to contrast with the NCR's industry.
>>718374616
>The USA, Russia, and China still use strategic bombers
Again it’s an atomic bomb not a hydrogen bomb and it’s literally just Fatman.
>>718374568
What DO the great khans eat? Boomers grow all their food, but if you go to Red Rock Canyon, literally all of their plants are fucking dead, and they don't trade with outsiders except for the Fiends.
And on that note, what do the Fiends eat? The three Brahmin that Cook-Cook keeps?
>>718374568
>Khans
They trade for drugs
>Boomers
They farm crops. A dialogue check even mentions several types of crops so that they can get a somewhat balanced diet.
the people of megaton gain food from both trade, and the nrahmin they are shown raising
>but its not enough brahmin to sustain a big settlement!
the crops and herds in New vagas were also not enough to sustain their respective regions, but we accept that these things are more or less symbolic, and within our imagination, the sharecropper farms are an actual farm , bighorner herds are not just 2 bighorners for a whole town etc.
>>718374663
>no u
So you’re just going into a tantrum spiral and spouting gay shit to make it look like you’re not being serious? Why are bethesdrones so fucking pathetic? Honestly they always act like perpetually retarded teenagers that try to act like they don’t care but get mad when people tell them they eat shit and like it.
>>718362781 (OP)
gonna have to go with creetosis's take on this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOzEg8loW84
>>718374734
i tought the Fiends were canonically cannibals?
>>718374734
Hunting and raiding. And if they don’t raid the fiends certainly do.
>>718374768
holy shit he sounds like his Down Syndrome has Down Syndrome, what the fuck.
>>718374768
>the way this nigga talks

absolutely cursed
>>718374746
>the people of megaton gain food from both trade, and the nrahmin they are shown raising
You already tried this and it failed
>the crops and herds in New vagas were also not enough to sustain their respective regions
There is since NV has outside trade as well as what is there a even with Abstraction there still isn’t shit going on in the capital that makes it make sense. But you know that, you just have to keep getting into the same argument over and over because you can’t handle being wrong.
>>718374767
nah you've been proven wrong again and again but you just ignore it and keep repeating the same shit you heard on youtube. It's time to stop posting or I will fuck you.
>>718374702
And the world of Fallout has fusion cars and fission batteries. Outdated weapons being used during WW3 can be handwaved away.
>>718374665
I think he was facing some heat at the time and needed to make himself look “unproblematic”
>>718374746
>the crops and herds in New vagas were also not enough to sustain their respective regions, but we accept that these things are more or less symbolic, and within our imagination, the sharecropper farms are an actual farm , bighorner herds are not just 2 bighorners for a whole town etc.
Exactly. It was the same in the first two games.
>>718374931
>Outdated weapons
I mean the US has been using the M2 Browning since 1919
>>718374923
Where have I been proven wrong? Show the posts and you won’t because it will just prove you’re ignoring shit.
FNV fans will genuinely tell you The Strip is meant to be one corridor with nothing else on it.
>>718374984
Do you really need to reply to yourself just to keep seething about being wrong about Fallout 1?
What I want to know is, where does New Vegas get all of its light bulbs?
>>718375000
and we kept using the 1911 until the 80s.
>>718375001
I warned you big boy. Don't make me say it again. You're easy pickins to me.
>>718375030
I'm not him, retard.
>>718375012
Are you going to keep crying that you cope about abstraction failed? Because no one said there wasn’t abstraction it’s that it didn’t work for the fucking city. But you can’t handle that so you’re just going to passive aggressively reply and make strawmen to cope. Bethesdrones really are the most histrionic manchildren. Skyrim babies are absolute cancer on both discourse and gaining.
removing IDs was a mistake
>>718375093
>gets proven wrong
>says it doesn't count
>x100
you have to move on (to my lap)
>>718375064
>im not the guy who has samefagged multiple times and is bitching the exact same way
You getting mad just makes it even more obvious.
>>718375062
>is just stalling because he can’t post anything
Cool, now let’s see if you’ll continue or if you post it and I show you how it was btfo so you can cry and say that I’m ignoring you to cope.
>>718374904
how did it fail? you still havnt refuted it

>There is since NV has outside trade as well as what is there

i mean first off, no there isnt

secontly, the idea of "has outside trade " also applies with fallout 3 and is directly touched on. of course there is less shown overall in fallout 3, no big incr opperated farms etc, which makes sense given that the state of the capital wasteland is radically different and the situation is much more chaotic and desperate than that of the Mohave. smaller more rag tag settlements, less infrastructure, no real large scale organization yet etc.
>>718375037
Las Vegas has a lot, so they probably just had some in storage.
>>718375093
but there IS abstraction canonically, and the fact you've spent more than an hour arguing about this just shows how autistic you are about a shitty game that you clearly hate.
>>718375129
>You getting mad
holy projection
>>718375181
You're a fucking retard. There is no trade hub we've already been over this. You're a dogshit consumer shitsucking whore.
>>718375194
We never see any lightbulbs in game though. No one even mentions them.
>>718375125
You have yet to argue why it does count. You just immediately cry when you get an explanation as to why something doesn’t make sense yet you can’t say why I’m wrong. Also good to know you’re still samefagging.
>>718375219
but there is.
>>718375219
calm down saar do not be doing the upset please
>>718362781 (OP)
They have a Chinese chef
>>718375219
>There is no trade hub
whew so you didnt actually play the game, huh?
>'ve already been over this
ok shizo
>>718375102
I'm convinced these threads consist of the same handfull of people who have been arguing about this stuff in a never ending circle for the last ~15 years. And they will likely continue to do so until this site finally blinks out of existence for good. After which they'll continue on some other platform.
>>718375181
>how did it fail? you still havnt refuted it
It failed because I pointed out that no settlement actually produces enough to trade and the caravans have no sources. But you know that and you’re just trying to go in a circle and start all of this shit all over again because you’re unhinged
>i mean first off, no there isnt
Where do you think Crimson Caravans is headquartered? It’s not the Mojave? Where do you think Heck Gunderson came from? Where to you think the Mojave Outpost leads to?
> idea of "has outside trade " also applies with fallout 3 and is directly touched on. of course there is less shown overall in fallout 3
Not enough to establish anything or give it any actual sense in saying they have enough to supply a whole fucking region.
>>718375274
It's all the same points, the same arguments, and the same flamewar just reignited whenever another thread goes up.
>>718375274
if Fallout fans used this energy to make mods instead, we would already have enough complete Fallout games to last until Fallout 5.
>>718375216
And it doesn’t work for reason I have already point out which you can’t argue and are just repeating yourself to cope.
>just shows how autistic you are about a shitty game that you clearly hate
So you admit it’s a shitty game, good to know you like crying and going insane to defend shitty games.
>>718367209
Israel
>>718375218
>no u
>doesn’t deny samefagging
You just can’t help but do stupid shit.
>>718362781 (OP)
Plenty of calories in uranium.
Todd did an interview where he said that the Capital Wasteland is self sufficient. That's the whole reason 3 was set on the east coast instead of California/Nevada, because it was way less fucked up and society could prosper there. Hence the Enclave, the Brotherhood being reasonable, etc. They don't need to trade, they already have everything they need.
>>718375383
anon...i'm not the guy you were debating with, i was baiting you because you seem hilariously mentally ill.
>>718375274
So that means you have been unable to argue something for 15 years and have just been having the same argument that you know is wrong but do it anyway because you assume something will change? Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?
>>718375450
>gets btfo again
>is so pathetic he has to say he’s baiting just to save face
It’s especially sad because you have been caught samefagging before in this thread and all you can do now is cry how I’m crazy despite being the kind of loser that has to pretend to be other people just to make it look like other people agree with him.
>>718375443
Why does he need to lie constantly?
>>718375461
The only other posts I made in this thread were wondering what Brahmin taste like and talking about Tim Cain's original idea behind why the war started. I'm watching all this from the sidelines otherwise.
>>718375524
lmao
>>718375443
also the BoS in 3 all got a crash course of trauma thanks to The Pitt being so bad that wanton massacre was an improvement.
This shack supplies guns and ammunition not only to the entire Mojave, but also the entirety of the NCR.
>>718375565
And yet you have gotten invested in complaining about people arguing in a thread that you haven’t engaged in aside from how you claimed. It doesn’t make sense so I’m going to say you’re lying. If you don’t care then don’t reply, if you do then go ahead but you caring doesn’t make sense .
>>718375461
Schizo moment
>>718375620
There is a factory behind it secondary.
>>718375620
The Gun Runners have existed since before Fallout 1. This is just a regional outpost of a successful company.
>>718375645
I haven't posted in this thread at all until now. You need my cock.
>>718375645
lol
>>718375683
it's empty tho
>>718375620
How did Vendertron get in there? How do they get the guns, ammo, and armor sets in there for him to sell?
>>718365302
>moo, l say
>>718375603
>gets called out for lying
>doesnt deny it
>just pretends to be smug to cope
Do you have anything but preprogrammed copes and replies? This is the same shit every pissed off toddler does on here when they lose.
>>718375645
>is this poster in the thread with us right now?
>>718375724
You literally get a job from ten Crimson Caravans to infiltrate it. It’s not empty, play the game you fucking idiot.
>>718375338
>It failed because I pointed out that no settlement actually produces enough to trade and the caravans have no sources.
right, this just comes full circle back to abstraction. we already know they raise animals, people in settlements hunt and scavenge etc. why couldn't they trade that way?
>because its not shown on a large enough scale
yes thats called videogame abstraction. whats shown is symbolic. its shown to tell the player "this is how they survive" while saving game resources by not having herds with 100 heads of cattle and acres of farmland etc.

>But you know that
what the fuck are you talking about?

>Where do you think Crimson Caravans is headquartered? It’s not the Mojave? Where do you think Heck Gunderson came from? Where to you think the Mojave Outpost leads to?

i wasnt saying there wasnt outside trade jack ass, im saying there isnt even remotley enough food shown in the Mohave wasteland to sustain it even augmented with the idea of outside trade. an acres worth of piddly ass stocks of corn and beans and a couple settlements with lower-single digit herds of brahmin are not enough to do what you are saying, otherwise that would imply that 99.99% of their food comes from trade, and they very clearly arent producing any more than anyone in fallout 3 are producing to trade aside from maybe the gun runners

of course this isnt an actual problem with new vagas because, as I said, its all abstraction. the NCR sharecropper farms arent a few gardens of wilted beans, and there there are supposed to be more brahmin etc. which we as playes must fill in with our imagination.

this is basically videogames 101 lmao
>>718375739
anon, i'm serious, go outside.

ive posted in tthis thread around ten times, and only 3 of those were replying to you.
>>718375730
Play the game and ask him, he will tell you.
>>718375443
>Todd did an interview where he said that the Capital Wasteland is self sufficient.
No he didn't
>>718375776
huh, i did that mission but i remember it being empty, must be misremembering then.
>>718375814
You're just another fucking toddler playing games on the internet and acting like you know anything about video games. 18 years and nobody can explain what they eat in Megaton and there's nothing you can do about it. Keep crying, keep flailing, and maybe one day I'll give your ass what it needs.
>>718375876
>18 years and nobody can explain what they eat in Megaton
This has been in your head for 18 years?
>>718375620
Based Gun Runners
>Megaton is canonically constructed using an entire fucking airport, concrete foundations/runway and all
>They dragged tens, if not hundreds of tons of material across hills and pits just to make a rusty shanty town in the middle of nowhere instead of JUST LIVING AT THE AIRPORT
WHY! WHO WROTE THIS SHIT?
>>718375962
>WHY! WHO WROTE THIS SHIT?
Emil Pastrami claims another victim
>>718375930
Let me guess, it doesn't matter right? Then why do you keep arguing about it? I think I know why, because you need my cock.
>>718375819
>the shack was constructed around me
>"okay, but what about all the stuff you sell? What about the stuff I sell you? How does it get in there? I can see you have a gun rack behind you, so you obviously keep your inventory of weapons, ammo, armor, and attachments in there..."
>...
>>718375876
wait, have you genuinely been arguing this shit for 18 years?
holy shit man, go outside, get a job, raise a family, do something else with your life than talk about fucking Fallout 3.
>>718375962
The point was that it would shield them from dust storms. Airports are often windy IRL.
>>718375986
No, I just thought that you'd have better things to think about other than shit that gets you mad
>>718375987
>...
.....
>>718376016
Maybe the wastelanders should build a fucking window for once in their lives? We've enjoyed having airtight windows for a long fucking time.
Or just put shutters over the window frames?
>>718375792
>right, this just comes full circle back to abstraction
So are just repeating shit that I have said and then inserting it into your tantrum haphazardly. What do you think that if you say it it will work since you couldn’t argue it?
>we already know they raise animals, people in settlements hunt and scavenge etc. why couldn't they trade that way
When do they show that in any sustainable number and abstraction doesn’t work when the size of the area can’t be abstracted into anything, but you can’t argue that so you ignore it.
>yes thats called videogame abstraction
Which doesn’t make sense for rivet city for reason I have already explained but you keep plugging your ears like a toddler.
>what the fuck are you talking about
Case in point you pretending I did say why yet again like a fucking child that doesn’t want to hear it’s nap time.
>i wasnt saying there wasnt outside trade jack ass
You literally did you pathetic fucking glue eater, right here >>718375181
>Me: There is since NV has outside trade as well as what is there
>(You): i mean first off, no there isnt
You said nothing else about the Mojave aside from there being no outside trade. But since you were wrong and proven to be a retard that hasn’t played the game you have to backpedal and say you meant something else
>>718375814
>>718375876
>>718375930
So are you just going full retard and talking to yourself while pretending to be me?
>>718376103
>You said nothing else about the Mojave aside from there being no outside trade

kek youre fucking illiterate, "no there isnt" was a response to "there is"
>>718375987
>>718376085
That’s not a question you can ask him. But keep coping and pretending they don’t explain shit.
>>718376178
No, are you? i was playing Halo for most of the thread so idk who you were talking to.
>>718376195
>kek youre fucking illiterate, "no there isnt" was a response to "there is"
So it’s like I said and you said there was no outside trade. Are you having a breakdown? Because it’s exactly how I said.
>>718376215
......
>>718376215
If you asks him how he got in there, he says the shack was constructed around him.
So how does all the merchandise get in there, then?
>>718376246
Cool, prove it.
>>718376318
>So how does all the merchandise get in there, then?
They stock it every week or so, using a hidden door.
Or when you buy stuff they just ship it out to the box with armed guards.
It's abstracted because he's a merchant, retard.
>>718376318
A compartment that’s connected to the workshop. He’s says that all weapons are made on the premises.
>>718376318
shut the fuck up
>>718376380
where's the hidden door?
>>718376381
Where's the compartment?
>>718376340
ok.
>>718376389
No
>>718376428
>Where is the hidden door
>Hidden
>>718376443
guess all the megaton farms are hidden, too
>>718376428
>Where's the compartment that I was just told was in the shack
So you’re just going to be pedantic and ask questions that have already been answered? How badly has the “what do they eat” question have to mindbreak someone to cause this level of retardation?
>>718376458
>third worlder still imagining that people can't use relativity for issues
>>718376439
So just a generic image of the main menu. And you’re a spic as well. Makes sense that you’re mentally ill.
>>718375102
this shithole never had IDS dummy
you are thinking of the better chan
>>718376428
What does the city of megaton eat?
>>718376473
No entrance to the shack is shown, but you accept that there is one.
>>718376458
>whole farm is the same as a compartment in a weapon vendor shack
It just keeps getting worse. Someone should save these threads so the next time one of these faggots does this it can be posted and then settle the matter then and there.
>>718376473
There isn't a compartment anywhere near the shack. Try again.
>>718376507
>So just a generic image of the main menu
it's called a screenshot nigga.
>>718376545
It’s not an entrance it’s a compartment that merchandise and currency goes through. Do you have a hard time understanding English or something?
>>718376439
>captura-de pantalla
Senor....
>>718376541
/v/ had unique poster ID count, you couldn't see what ID belonged to who, but you could check the total unique number of users in a thread.
>>718376542
Food that is implied to exist.
>>718376562
>There isn't a compartment anywhere near the shack. Try again
It’s connected to the workshop they make the guns that is right behind it. You’re just coping because you can’t argue about farms.
>>718376612
Not an argument. Try again.
What does the city of megaton eat?
>>718376630
The one you can't see? You just trust that it's there?
>>718376289
holy shit dude now you're seriously embarrassing yourself

>So it’s like I said

no, it isnt, go back and re read the post.

i pointed out that what is shown in NV is obviously abstracted as well since what is shown is woefully inadequate for the region, to which you said, "there is enough shown since trade makes up the rest" to which i said, no there isnt because w only ever see, what, like two brahmin herds with like 5 at most? and the sharecropper farm which is like a acre or two of wilted bean stalks

that would imply that virtually EVERYTHING is traded in, since what is shown is probably enough to maybe fully goodsprings and novak, and the scenari you have crafter makes even less sense by your own logic, because no one in the mohave is actually producing even remotely enough to supply almost ALL food by "outside trade"

of course im not autistic so i dont hold this against new vagas because i know its abstracted and what we see is just symbolic, just as i dont hold it against fallout 3 since fallout 3 also uses the same abstraction by mentioning things like people scavanging and hunting and trading, and showing people raising brahmin
>>718376597
hey, he asked for proof.
>>718376602
Yeah, the mods got rid of it during the SBI shit because people could spot the tranny raiders samefagging.
>>718365417
>DC and the surrounding areas got hit the hardest out of anywhere in the country
Makes sense why all the vaults there are experiments and not actual viable shelters. DC would be too fucked anyway.
>>718376662
>holy shit dude now you're seriously embarrassing yourself
This projection got old over an hour ago. Let’s see what stupid cope you have this time
>no, it isnt, go back and re read the post
I did and you’re basically just saying that there was no outside trade while trying to say you only meant it for one part of what I said despite quoting the whole sentence. And now all you can do is try to make up another stupid fucking cope to ignore that fact and get me to argue another retarded bit of nonsense that I have already covered because you can’t accept that you lost. Go to bed and stop being a retard. It’s not hard.
>>718376637
Traders.
>>718376692
It emboldened third world spammers too, gave them plausible deniability. Even though we can all see the paid shills.
>>718376786
That's not a source of food or drinks, as Megaton has nothing to trade. Try again.
What does the city of megaton eat?
>>718376818
and they're all bad.
>>718376646
I mean it’s a booth and the factory is right there. It’s not like I’m saying there is a whole hidden farm that is just completely unseen with out anyone talking or working it yet I expect people to just think it’s there because it just has to be? Are you done? Because you already failed arguing this stupid shit five times.
>>718376787
yeah there's big money in shilling Fallout 3 these days LMAO YOU FAGGOOOOOOOT

>>718376827
They trade water and other supplies.
>>718376895
>They trade water and other supplies.
They barely have enough water for their own uses, and they have no other supplies
Try again.
What does the town of megaton eat?
>>718376637
I don't need to make an argument, because I'm right.
I don't need to convince you that I'm right, because what is right doesn't need to be proven. Only retards need to be convinced, and you're about as retarded as they come, so I won't bother. Play the game and then come back to this thread, except you won't, because you'll realize how wrong you actually are.
>>718376927
they trade for food from travelling merchants who enjoy drinking in the bar
>>718376943
>>718376945
Non-answers.
What does the town of megaton eat?
>>718376818
Oh wow, it’s this cope image
Let’s see here
>ghost town gunfight
>my kind of town
>birds of a feather
>heartache by the numbers
>fly me too the moon
>white washed
Imagine cherry picking this fucking hard?
>>718376961
Iguana meat.
>>718376982
Megaton has no hunters.
Try again.
What does the town of megaton eat?
>>718376895
>yeah there's big money in shilling Fallout 3 these days LMAO YOU FAGGOOOOOOOT
More like oblivion.
>>718377004
You can literally see them eating in the bar. Are you struggling with my cock?
>>718377021
Characters magic'ing up some food nonsensicaly is not an argument.
What does the town of megaton eat? Canonically?
Why is this so hard for you retards to answer?
>>718377004
Don’t bother. It’s just one mindbroken faggot that has to pretend he’s trolling while trying to argue. He will just cope and cry and if he’s really mad he’ll samefag.
>>718377062
Brahmin meat., radroaches and mole rats.
>>718377104
They have no means to get those reliably. They don't even have a single hunter. What does megaton eat?
>local autist goes down swinging as the thread heads straight to page 10
Lol
Lmao
>>718376782
>did and you’re basically just saying that there was no outside trade
no i didnt,. i literally never at any point said that. thwhyt are you lying when we can all see the posts?

>>718374746
>the crops and herds in New vagas were also not enough to sustain their respective regions
>>718374904
>There is since NV has outside trade as well
>>718375181
>no there isnt

cop cope cope

i know new vagas has outside trade, the entire premise of the game is literally that almost every major faction of the region are outsiders


the crops and herds in New vagas were also not enough to sustain their respective regions, just like the brahmin in megaton are not enough to sustain the whole town, and "outside trade" is not enough to explain how the mohave feeds its self, just as outside trade isnt a very god lanswer to a literalist interpretation of fallout 3. the answer to all of this is that the literalist interpretation is WRONG. we can safely assume there is meant to to be more than what we are shown, but we are stuck with what we got sure limitations of video games a a medium, particularly at that point in time, with that particular engine
>>718377135
They have hunters. Everyone does.
>bethesdrone spends hours crying and having a mental breakdown because he can’t answer what a town in a game eats
>>718377208
Except they don't.
What does megaton eat?
>>718377223
What makes you so sure? A few of the NPCs mention it. Plus they eat that stuff, so...
>>718377213
Where does Primm get its power from?
>>718377252
Because there's not a single hunter living in Megaton?
Why is 'what does megaton eat?' so hard to answer for you? ANSWER THE QUESTION DUMBASS NIGGER.
>>718377181
>no i didnt
You did, and now you’re showing it. Notice how you quote the entire thing and not just “there is” and then tried to say it was a totally different cope when that failed you just said you meant something else.
>i know new vagas has outside trade
There why did you say there wasn’t, spic? You’re not making any sense. You’re just trying to deflect away because you fucked up and this is all you can do now. But it fails because you’re a faggot that doesn’t understand abstraction despite crying about it this whole time.
>>718377285
I've answered it again and again, but you just keep ignoring it. People like you are why modern games have to spoonfeed the lore to you with forced walking scenes because you don't pay attention otherwise.
>>718377213
I accept your concession
oh would you look at that. a 4 hour thread barely hanging by necrobumps is prolly gonna be used to loop the arguments after this one dies
>>718376602
anon please like the IP counter helped in any shape whatsoever. actual id at least help in not having to see retards having to loop the same shit
>>718377310
what does megaton eat?
>>718377273
Fusion generators and the dam, it has underground power lines just like it does irl.
>>718377337
It's really easy to pretend you're right if you just ignore all the stuff that says you're wrong. What's wrong with you?
>>718377339
>it has underground power lines just like it does irl.
There are no grounded power lines in Nevada
>>718377316
Never conceded but thanks for showing you’re seeing shit that isn’t there. Like I said mental breakdown.
>>718377359
Maybe you should explain where megaton gets it's food from?
Without lying like a third worlder?
>>718377386
Your question has been answered a thousand times, but then you just repeat the question. You're a silly person and you need my cock.
>>718377364
Yes there are you fucking idiot. Stop coping and just accept you lost.
>>718377298
>Notice how you quote the entire thing and not just “there is”

no shit, i double clicked the line i was replying to you mongoloid. and do you not understand basic grammar and humman communication? anone with ability to read can take one look at this exchange that " there isnt" is a direct response to "there is"

this is just your attempt at coping because you lost the debate

>There why did you say there wasn’

I didnt,y ou ar enow resorting to putting words in my mouth and attacking those words because you lost the debate and cannot address my argument directly

you can either directly adress my argument, or walk away with your tail between your legs. your choice.
>>718377459
>trust me bro
>>718377339
I didn't see anything like that. Got screenshots?
>>718377436
>He still can't answer such a simple question
What does megaton eat, nigger?
>>718377436
It hasn’t, you’re just experiencing delusions from a mix of your mental breakdown and shitskin fervor. Honestly I don’t know why spic always get so faggoty when they get btfo.
>>718377492
You going to keep doing this shit?
https://www.nvenergy.com/publish/content/dam/nvenergy/brochures_arch/account-services/building-and-new-construction/electric-service-standards-north/section-7/US0001M.pdf
>inb4 not reading that
Yeah I know you can’t acknowledge shit that proves you wrong, it’s why I called you a toddler.
>>718377339
nice headcanon homolust faglicker

>>718377505
see
>>718371551
>>718366779
>>718372850
>>718373693
>>718374746
>>718365687
there are a lot more but I got tired of clicking them. you will never be white.
>>718377609
What does megaton eat, nigger?
>>718377586
>inb4 not reading that
I ain't clicking that link
>>718377687
Tourists.
>>718377486
>no shit, i double clicked the line i was replying to you mongoloid
Why? If you only meant one part then why make it the whole thing, it’s because you did and you’re just lying because you realized how fucking stupid it makes you look.
>this is just your attempt at coping because you lost the debate
Oh wow no u for the seventh time. As if that’s going to prove me wrong or make you look less like a retarded toddler throwing a pants shitting tantrum.
>anone with ability to read can take one look at this exchange that " there isnt" is a direct response to "there is"
It’s also a direct response to “there is trade from outside the Mojave” but you don’t know that because you’re a spic that can barely speak English.
>I didnt
You did and I showed how, stop coping and take your meds or smear cow shit on your eyes. Whatever you retards do to heal.
>>718377726
Try again.
>>718377609
>nice headcanon
See >>718377586
>>718377775
this is harder cope than Megaton's invisible farms lmao
>>718377709
>too scared to look at anything that proves him wrong
Exactly what I said you would do. Keep crying faggot, this is why you lose.
>>718377775
>responding to yourself
>>718377806
>there are underground power lines
>show real life example of underground power lines in nevada
>i-its a cope
God this retard is just spiraling.
>>718377849
and the Hoover Dam is real too, right? You're fucking dumb
>>718377849
>these underground lines are somehow operable after 200 years
Who changed out the copper? What excavating equipment was used?
>>718377829
Do you mean that I used my other reply to answer a question? Or are you saying I’m samefagging like you?
>Literal third worlders still can't answer where Megaton gets it's food from
Embarrassing.
>>718377903
>>718377916
>pretends he’s trolling to cope
>o-okay it’s real but uhhh they wouldn’t work
Wow, it’s like you keep trying to fail in degrees. Like you have to keep fucking up and can’t just stop at just being wrong but have to embarrass yourself as well.
>>718377972
Answer the questions.
>over 600 replies
Is this a janny thread? I mean it’s already confirmed the retard that can’t answer the question is a gay thirdie.
>>718377738
>You did and I showed how
no, what you "showed" was that you misinterpreted my statement, hey it happens, nothing wrong with that

but now ive clarified my argument, and because you cannot formulate a response to it, you are refusing to engage with it, and have instead chosen to walk away with your tail between your legs.


refusing to engage with my argument is a informal concession to the debate we are having. i accept your concession. you've lost the debate. congratulations

in conclusion, to the question of "what do people in megaton eat", people in megaton are shown raising brahmin, engaging with traders, and peddling hunted wildlife, as well as scavenging goods.
>>718378034
I did and you just coped and tried to say it wouldn’t work as an excuse. Also thanks for admitting you’re samefagging. Good to know you’re still a pathetic toddler.
>>718378112
Where does Primm get electricity?
>>718378167
What does megaton eat?
>>718378070
Autistic retards keep asking the same autistic question for the past 15 years, it's been asnwered so many times i don't know why they keep asking it.
>>718378079
>no, what you "showed" was that you misinterpreted my statement, hey it happens, nothing wrong with that
Is that why you changed what I “misinterpreted” twice and are now trying your best to deflect away from it to argue about crops?
>but now ive clarified my argument
You mean you have picked what you think it will be because the other two you tried to use failed. Because that’s what you did.
>refusing to engage with my argument
Yeah I’m not going to let you lie and say you meant something that you clearly didn’t. But if you want to tell yourself you’ve won go ahead. I’m sure you’ll accept victory and leave. I mean it’s not like this is a cope and you’ll just keep replying to get the last reply.
>>718378215
What does megaton eat?
>>718378187
Brahmin
>>718377937
>it's
>>718378215
>waaah I can’t answer question so you autistic
That’s why pretty autistic, also thanks for confirming you’re a janny.
>>718378270
>>718378241
The question was already answered.
>>718378167
See >>718377339
>>718378256
They have only one brahmin, not sufficient and there's no indication they eat them either.
What does megaton eat?
>>718378303
It wasn’t, you just keep giving answers that don’t make sense and you can’t argue how they do.
>>718378187
Where does the power come from though?
>>718378303
>>718378358
What does megaton eat?
>>718378318
>They have only one brahmin
We SEE one brahmin, Bethesda is known to make locations smaller than they canonically are because they're lazy as shit.
>>718378318
it's scaled down retard. like your dick
>>718378358
See >>718377339
What does megaton eat. It’s not brahmin, there are no hunters, no one can trade shit.
>>718378397
We don't see anyone actually farming brahmin in megaton, so they obviously don't use many of them for any purpose
>>718378404
What does megaton eat?
>>718378348
But they do make sense, you're just retarded.
>>718378404
>one brahim is actually supposed to be a whole herd it’s all abstraction
You still can’t seem to understand how that doesn’t make sense since there isn’t even a fucking pen.
Wait, WHY do we need to know what Megaton eats?
>>718378448
>nu uh me make sense u just dumb
So you think one cow can feed a whole town?
>>718378481
Because a setting about resource shortages becomes fucking retarded when canonically the wasteland works just fine with zero food production or consumption.
Autist can’t read and his mind is so broken he forgot what the thread he’s been crying in is about
>>718378493
No, you think the company behind Elder Scrolls actually cares enough to make their games reflect their lore.
>>718378521
Do you think this thread will reach 1000 or do you think he will delete it bet 700?
>>718378521
it's not about resource shortage though. that's just part of it
>>718378596
It’s the biggest part of it since water is what drives the main story and what the main factions are fighting over.
>>718378596
FO3 is about shortage of water.
Despite only three NPC's complaining about a lack of water and everyone else being fine.
>>718378521
But Megaton is not suffering any resource shortages, so why does it matter what a self-sufficient shanty town is doing?
>>718378615
>>718378620
...did you niggas forget Megaton has a water filter?
>>718378642
If they don't produce anything, and don't trade for anything and they have no resource shortages for two hundred years, that's shit worldbuilding.
That's the issue.
>>718378481
Because the Strip survives off of irradiated corn
>>718378642
It’s not yet they don’t show where they get their food. Not to mention the game is about a fucking water purifier.
>>718378680
The nearly-broken one which only one guy knows how to maintain and it has heaps of leaky pipes?...
>>718378225
lol you are so low IQ you dont even comprehend that youve backed yourself into a corner regardless. even if we agree that my current argument is not what i initially meant, which I do not agree on, that would still mean that i have now presented a second argument different than my initial statement, which you cannot refute
im not "telling myself i won", i did win, i presented an argument that you cannot refute, and you know you cannot refute it, which is why you are refusing to address it. if you have a counter argument, then by all means, lets here it
people in megaton are shown raising brahmin, engaging with traders, and peddling hunted wildlife, as well as scavenging goods.

the proportion of the food sources we directly see does not match the population of the game because what we see is only a symbolic interpretation meant to communicate to us on a basic level where these people source their food. this same symbolic communication is also used in fallout new vagas. this symbolic communication is a necessity due to the limitations of videogames of a medium and the limits of technology and the game engine when the game was created. New vagas of course directly shows a little bit more, but the extra things new vagas shows that fallout 3 doesnt, ie the sharecropper farms, are entirely proportional to differences in the narrative, which in new vagas features a region with much more developed societies and infrastructure, compared to the capital wasteland in which the only previously large and influential faction in the region has downsized considerably in the lead up to the events of the game, and the region has become much more unstable, with much smaller, more rag-tag settlements compared to new vagas, which features a literal fully functional city (which is also symbolically communicated in its scale just like the food )
>>718378680
>Fallout 3 is about water scarcity
>but what about megatons purifier
I can hear the chirp through my monitor.
>>718378727
Yeah, the one that still works.
>>718378762
It's in your own hourse dude.
>>718378743
>, ie the sharecropper farms
Irradiated Corn.
>>718378765
The one which explicitly barely works? And ironically makes the main plot redundant?
>>718378743
show me the equation that says 1 brahmin is not enough
>>718378830
>barely works?
You help him patch it up
>main plot redundant?
A small purifier is the same as a Purifier with the power to purify an entire Basin?
>>718378883
Why are you trying to purify an entire basin that is just washing out to sea? Retard nigger.
>>718378830
>The one which explicitly barely works?
But still work well enough to mantain Megaton
>And ironically makes the main plot redundant?
No, the water purifier in the main story is on a completely different level.
>>718378743
>I won you conceded
>okay have fun and accept your victory
>posts angry wall of text
The best part about this is you’re just going to keep going until you or whoever the janny that is keeping this shit up deletes the thread.
>have now presented a second argument different than my initial statement
It is given you said there was no outside trade and then gave two different lame excuses.
> not "telling myself i won", i did win
If you really thought that you wouldn’t still be here. You’re just coping because you know I’m right and you need to get the last reply. I’ll let you have it because I’m not a petty toddler.
>>718378925
They can collect it by the metric ton yah fag
punknuts in here needs a firm hand.
>>718378806
>n-no u
Man you can’t even deny that you were wrong and just go straight for the dumb shit.
>>718378959
Most of it visibly pumps right out down the river wasted.
Why the fuck did you need a GECK to do it as well, when a GECK can make a whole fucking city.