Thread 718369496

>gameplay density
>mechanical darwinism
>self-serve difficulty
Gaming discourse has gotten so much better over the last few years.

Didn't we literally just have this thread? Or am I in a time loop?

>>718369574
This must be the will of Steins Gate
And we had this exact thread with the exact image and text only an hour ago

>>718369496 (OP)
>recurring/"general" mork thread
>>>/vg/

Seems everyone has scattered

I'll never be able to care about high score

>>718370484
You'd be correct, considering how dishonest arcadefags are about scoring systems
They go on about their depth, intricacy and skill, then also tell you how the games rely on glitches, exploits, milking and RNG

>>718369496 (OP)
>mechanical darwinism
What?

What IS mechanical darwinism? Can't you just, softban a mechanic whenever you replay the game?

>>718369496 (OP)
This guy is a contrarian retard. The very definition of dunning Krueger. And btw we know it’s you. Stop shilling your shit YouTube channel.

>>718370621
Pretentious made up term

Video games, faggot, VIDEO GAMES!

who the fuck is mork? can't even find this retard

>>718370621
>>718370663
He needed to come up with his own gay little tryhard term for describing when a game has bad balance.

>>718370663
modern games have tacked on mechanics that are put in just because it's popular. he demostrates the point with re4make like why does re4 need parrying? because it's a thing in games now so why not put parrying mechanic in resident evil. same with stealth mechanics. he then asserts that modern games with lots of detached thrown in mechanics eventually get solved and good mechanics are used and bad mechanics are ignored.

MORKY SHMUPPERS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
EVERYBODY JUST HAVE A GOOD TIME
AND WE NOT GONNA PLAY ANY GAMES

>>718371401
This, mechanics are a crutch, except when games I like do it, then it's genius

>>718371401
>How many bullets do you need to beat Remake 4??
>Can you beat Remake 4 with only Melee???
Sound like a free 200K views for any channel so I'm not really seeing the problem here. Sounds more like the company is feeding YouTubers such as himself.

>>718369496 (OP)
Gaming analysis could be fun and deep but for some reason there are only 2 or 3 guys that try.

>>718371793
And Mork isn't one of them

>other thread (that wasn't repetitive spam and was actually discussing gameplay analysis) deleted for no reason
fucking christ jannies are retarded. genuinely the most offensive instance of an actual video game discussion thread being nuked that I've encountered in years.

>metal slug thread up RIGHT NOW
>it's just jerking off the pixel art
>no 1ccs
SNKfags really are posers

>>718371401
>like why does re4 need parrying
Because it's fun, why do games do anything?

>>718369574
Most of /v/ is bots and schizos posting the same thread every few hours.

>>718372568
it's fun but now the combat is too easy, so they balance it out with knife durability which is unfun. nothing was gained and 2 extra mechanics were introduced.

>>718369496 (OP)

I got banned for 1 week for making a thread discussing a "video game review" by Mork. I guess it's my fault for trying to discuss vidya in /v/ instead of talking about vidya politics or coom posting.

>>718369496 (OP)
The king of midwits

>>718370484

The reason competition in arcade game died is because this guy literally solved arcade games and if you wanna compete you will have to face him and accept the fact that you will lose no matter what.

>>718373241
NO BILLY DON'T MAKE ME GO BANKRUPT THE AI SAID I'D WIN AAAIIIEEEEEE

>>718373241
>solved
not once have I seen or heard a gamer use "solved" accurately
>b-but I was exaggerating I was just talking about dk
not once have I seen or heard a gamer use "solved" accurately. connect 4 is solved. chess, with computer assistance, is solved. even when arcade game highscores are maxed, you still have other skillful metrics to judge performance by.

>>718373390
Mork is a tekken, third strike and virtua fighter veteran though? On top of being the greatest shmup, arcade and action gamer of all time, he's also solved fighting games

>>718373427
>though?

>>718373498
>althoughbeit

>talks about the game design and depth of final fights level and enemy design
>Cuts to footage of him literally just spamming the same one single glitched infinite combo over and over and over

>>718372790
>it's fun but now the combat is too easy
the combat is objectively harder because you don't have AOE explosive roundhouse kicks

>>718369574
Yes. Some guy is obsessed with hating this guy so he tries to make threads about him constantly.

>>718372568

That's not the reason parrying is in RE4make though. It's in RE4make because it's in every new game. Same as crafting. There is absolutely no reason to have crafting in 99% of games yet it's in every game.

Games that do this sort of thing aren't designed, they're just picking from a list of shit other games made.

>>718369496 (OP)
I don't know who this guy is but he pissed you off enough to make daily threads about him so he seems based

They've actually banned mork from every single fighting game event in every country because he wins first place every single time
they begged him to stop, to let someone else have a chance
Mork, in his infinite mercy, granted them this, but he never let them forget his dominance

>>718369496 (OP)
I speedread this as Mechanical Dwarfism

>>718374085
It works in RE4 so I don't really care.

>>718372790
>knife durability which is unfun

Not really. That's like saying ammo is unfun.

>>718374085
how many RE games have you played? GCN RE had flash bangs and daggers that were consumable get out of jail cards. The knife parry functions similarly where you generally only use it when you've fucked up too much already but it has a skill element to it. It still consumes a resource like daggers did.
>Same as crafting
Crafting has been in RE since the start. Herb combining has been a stable of the series and RE2 had ammo crafting

>>718374085
Intentional design to make streamer playthroughs feel different from each other when one guy crafts and the other ignores it. Very aware of YouTube culture and giving (You) a reason to watch the same game twice.

Oh now we're shitposting

>>718369574
This is just a 2nd loop. Common in arcade style games.

>>718375225
>Intentional design to
Pander to the game reviewers that don't want to learn any substantially different thing in a game genre they play. Otherwise they could say that some mechanic is "clunky", "outdated" or "unintuitive".

>>718375634
Ah so Mork

>>718375634
More like, handing out a free paragraph to all the reviewers and in return they'll hand out an extra .5 to the score.
High word count = good review and all.

>>718376862
Yeah that's pathetic, game reviewers don't even play the games
>watch mork video
>he says he can dissect a game within the first hour
>doesn't clear the games he makes videos on
Oh so he's just as bad, got it

Today I will remind them

>>718377336
>mork didn't reply
OH NONONONONO

Can someone post the webm of him playing through the Stellar Blade conveyor belt section like it's an autoscroller and calling it a puzzle?

>>718377847
Don't get me started on him and that game, it genuinely mindbroke him to unreal levels
I wonder why he even picked it up

>>718377336
Mork's "critiques" are funny because when you're familiar with any game he's describing you are easily able to tell if he has played it for real or if he's just talking out of his ass.
GnG resurrection is a great example, a game which he has either played casually, or didn't at all and is just parroting parts of bog's opinion and then extrapolating.

>>718369574
Op didn't even wait 12 hours, I think. Shameless behavior.

Mork on action games is absolutely mind numbing
I think he plays them for about an hour, if that, then downloads a save and just yammers on about fictional shit

>Dante Must Die is the only true difficulty in DmC3, otherwise you didn't beat the game
Is it true? I only beat it on Normal with checkpoints lol

>>718380076
Did Mork say that? He hasn't cleared the hardest difficulties of the action games he's "reviewed" so I wouldn't take him seriously

>>718377336
>>718377391
today i will remind you
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/707592782/#707622585

>>718380713
Why is Mork so fellated?
>OMG is so EXPOSED those speedrunners
Like I don't care about speedrunners, but this remind me of those underage users who claimed that right leaning influencers destoyed libs via FACTS and LOGICS.

>>718380110
He said it's the real difficulty where you fully experience the game. He complained about some games locking higher difficulties until you beat the game a couple of times and unlock all moves.

>>718382109
holy shit mork lmfao

>>718381525
i don't think it was that much of an exposé, the speedrunners in the comments just kinda made it worse for themselves by not watching the video, he was just making a point that people would rather play it as a metroidvania than a bullet hell.
people in the speedrunning community don't care about actual skill, it's just about getting it over with, there's a reason that speedrunner's more impressive run was denied.

>>718369496 (OP)
I love this channel.
Mark also needs to make Boghog and Kriegor upload more kino.

>>718371516
Because games built around parries are totally the same as the games in which it was added as an afterthought which ruins the game balance lol

>>718373981
You can just go left or right and dodge everything AND you can reload during moving, you also have knife which can block the chainsaw guys(and everything else) which would just one shot kill you in the og if you weren't careful.
The only real difficult thing about the remake is that you don't have guaranteed stun locks anymore, which just means that you just move back and shoot enemies, which entirerly removed the melee game from the og.
The remake is a fun enough game but it can't hold a candle to the OG.

>>718369496 (OP)
what does these things even fucking mean?

shan't

EVERY.
SINGLE.
FUCKING.
DAY.

A NEW MORK THREAD. A NEW MORK THREAD. A NEW MORK THREAD. A NEW MORK THREAD. A NEW MORK THREAD. A NEW MORK THREAD. A NEW MORK THREAD.

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY.

>>718374085
>That's not the reason parrying is in RE4make though
there is actually, RE4make's gameplay flow is faster than RE4og and its also a result of RE4make not having the tank controls of RE4og so they wanted to keep the same intensity of the enemies coming at you but used a modern solution of you being able to parry those that come too close and too fast.
It also actually makes it different and not a carbon copy which was a very much a thing they wanted to do with RE4make
>Same as crafting.
crafting and RE goes hand in hand, RE4og had you craft herbs together too

>>718370880
creator of project nortubel

>>718372790
>combat is too easy
RE4 original is my favorite game of all time and the combat is braindead easy and the remake is in every imaginable way much harder.

>>718373408
You're sounding kind of solved

BUY AN AD YOU CUNT

>>718382374
Using speedrunners as an argument is a bit weird, because if playing the game on "TOTAL PLAYER DEATH" difficulty results in completing the game in significantly shorter time than "CASUAL FUN TIME" difficulty, they will do it. Also if there's no tangible speed differences, they will choose what's more consistent to do. As an example I've heard RE4 is being run on hardest difficulty because of it's hidden dynamic difficulty adjustments. Setting it to max from the get go makes playing the game according to the established route more predictable.

>>718383001
>is in every imaginable way much harder.
you get a lot get out of jail cards with knives
you can dodge everything with strafing left or right
you can reload during running
They fucked the melee and guaranteed hitstun, so you just move back and shoot during the whole game like a bitch made faggot instead of being a giga chad karate and wrestling master who occasionally uses guns in the OG.

>>718370621
it's a term catered for incel losers from gamefaqs who plague /v/ with their witless takes

I'm a Patreon. Ask me anything.

>>718383479
In the OG just the ability to run is absurdly broken since all the enemies are extremely slow. The most absurdly broken crowd control I have ever seen in a video game is triggered with shooting one bullet into the face of a slowly moving target.

This already makes the OG so much easier and we haven't even gotten to the point how much more powerful the guns in the original are.

>thinks rhythm games are about memorization
absolute poser

>>718369496 (OP)
Someone has to do the job imo, I’m too lazy to do it because I don’t think vidya will survive AI anyway

>>718383645
How do I stop the habit of takeaway delivery after work?

>>718383737
They 100% are though

>>718383879
Please explain

>>718383645
Can you make sure the kemono stays updated, it wasn't for a while

>>718383645
Anybody else even half as good as god king Mark? Dont say Boghog, it has to be some unrelated autist

>>718369574
Going for your 2-all. There's a TLB at the end of this one.

>>718383879
getting perfects? sure
normal play? absolutely fucking not, and that's what he's talking about

>>718383645
Are you the Russian guy whose name Mork never reads?

AHHHH MORK AHHHH

>>718386940
>two up one deleted
What did janny mean by this?

>>718387275
>only the one earlier today reached bump limit
hmmm

>>718369496 (OP)
The rollslop rapist
The handsome Ikaruga 1ccer
The shmup genius
The worst doom destroyer
The korean big booty dog roaster
The fearsome gameplay analyzer and the single most powerful game reviewer on Youtube.

>>718384201
Iconoclast
Just puts up uncommentated, damageless or such runs on youtube and writes a little description if he liked the game or not. If he likes a game it's probably worth giving a look.

After getting into arcade/arcade-style games I see what mork is on about. The gameplay is non-stop and punishing. You know a game is good if you keep coming back to try to clear it over and over. It's hard to go back to walking through empty zones and sitting through cutscenes after you get a taste of the sensory crack of some of those STG games. Back when the gameplay had to be addictive enough to keep loading loading coins into the machine, even if you have to wait your turn. Now games can just use casino mechanics and goonbait.

Mork actually designed DOJ himself, but was kind enough to share the documents with Cave

>>718388084
lmfao what video did you get this retarded comment from

>>718388741
Holy shit what game, I need a gunkata game in my life

>>718388815
Dynamite Deka EX: Asian Dynamite

>>718383001
>my favorite game of all time is easy to me
you are a retard

>>718389161

desu looks sick

>>718389907
Yeah, because I love the game my first playtroughs have been erased from my mind. RE4 is extremely good at suggesting danger and difficulty which I love it for because to me some sections still feel threatening no matter how often I replay the game just because the overall design suggests danger so well but the actual game is just not hard which is completely fine.

I am genuinely tired of seeing this faggot in this board, and worse seeing all the cocksuckers defending him and his shit takes. inb4 LE POST YOUR CLEARS

>>718388418
It's my sincere belief, anon.

>>718390425
I have never seen this man in my life. Have you tried simply not opening threads that make you mad?

>>718390425
Post your clears

>>718390614
Then you're a genuine retard who barely understands games, just like Mork

>>718390761
Maybe some people just want different things out of games. One man's trash is another's treasure.

When did mork make the shift from shmup autist to pretending to be an expert on everything?

>>718391646
When he made YouTube his job. He realized nobody plays shmups so he's targeting a wider audience.

>>718391813
Must have been a pretty entry level job if youtubing with his current patreon bucks is the preferable situation

>>718382948
It's clear OP is gay for Mork and super upset he got turned down

So how do you actually 1cc? Just credit feed until you get it down to zero?

>>718394056
1cc just means using one credit to start the game and that's it.

>>718394148
>inserts credit
>don't press start on title screen, that's it
damn I'm good

>>718394739
I can't comprehend the autism behind your question or the over complication that you're trying to force here.

>>718369496 (OP)
Gameplay density? More like gameplay then see DEEZ NUTS LMFAOOOOOOOO

>>718392413
He probably has it made with money coming from family. He wouldn't starve he had fewer subs.

>>718394056
One-credit-clear
It means you don't use any continues.

>>718389907
To be fair, RE4 is very easy.

TEW was RE4 but deeper, more challenging, and better in every way. Vast majority of RE4 fans are just "vibes" gamers, they don't give a shit about the gameplay

>>718394845
I'm just taking you at your word, chill out, anon

>>718394056
Do you mean how do you get to the point where you can 1cc a game? Just practice. That can mean using continue until you reach a point where you don't even need to do it anymore, but especially nowadays there are stage select and save state options that let you practice parts of the game over and over until you have a good feel for them. Then after practicing each stage a bunch individually you put it all together in a single run.
Note that there is no external progression mechanic. Whether it's your first time playing or your 1000th there's no character stats or anything that makes your new run easier, the experience is in you. You as the player leveled up your knowledge of the stages so you know what mob spawns where and when and which patterns are going to come out. It's memorization plus muscle memory when it comes to the execution and your route through a stage might not be the same as another player who thought of something a bit different.

>>718382801
>gameplay density
I guess the amount of time you play the game compared to watching it or doing useless shit like walking sections.
>mechanical darwinism
Character has different abilities but one of them is so strong it makes others irrelevant.
>self-serve difficulty
It's when you have to go out of your way to make a game challenging enough for it to be truly enjoyable. Kinda like if you refuse to level up or use checkpoints. Of course it's a bad thing because we don't want to handicap ourselves, it doesn't feel good.

Why isn’t there a video that talks about how unoriginal roguelikes are? Anons can bait better than this guy can.

>>718395756
>Character has different abilities but one of them is so strong it makes others irrelevant
Using Infernape to steamroll all of Pokemon does not delete every other ‘mon you could pick. Why does he assume we’re only playing optimally?

>>718395781
We need a viral video that compares them to arcade games too.

>>718395781
Would rely on playing a lot of incestuously designed derivatives that just exist to attempt to make money off of it being a well known genre and are relatively easy to make, and that's basically the whole story so you can figure that out browsing the genre page on steam. It has all the mental hooks the average player wants so even if you are right they aren't going anywhere and neither is the fanbase. You can be right and it still will not matter.

>>718395781
Those are roguelites

>>718396306
Okay, print another 500K views from
>Do Roguelites need Permadeath?
Death Defiance is just a Divine Pulse so you might as well add the other thing and remove Permadeath. Very free bait.

I like this guys channel. I dont always agree with him but we have similar taste in games and I enjoy how he makes his points. Good channel, only gaming personality I enjoy aside from Jeff Gerstmann.

>>718396008
I think top thoughts about bottom GARBAGE FAGGOT GAMES FOR BRAINDEAD NIGGERS

If you like THE NIGGERING OF NIGGERSAAC you should kill yourself RIGHT NOW

>>718395896
Why play if you're not playing to win? If the game doesn't try to rape you for not trying to win then who cares, watch a movie or read a book. This is Mork's perspective, take it or leave it. If you don't have to struggle to understand how to get ahead in the game then it's not interesting for him.
Mork makes his videos for other people like him. He doesn't really care about the story or about just playing a cozy timesink. You can like those games and praise them but Mork doesn't care. If you have a different perspective on what makes games enjoyable there's really no reason to watch his channel.

>>718396008
Mork already debunked your image

>>718396603
Alright.

>>718382884
Insanely boring video, brit lost it years ago.

>>718382948
>shmupfags use gay morkshit to start threads
>rest of /v/ now knows who mork is
you did this to yourselves retards

>>718370621
>brainlet doesn't understand words
Basically "dominant strategies kill fun" in a nutshell.
When mechanics advance significantly but fail to address balance correctly, everyone will ultimately funnel into the exact same playstyle.

See the Skyrim stealth archer for the most basic normie example.

>>718397321
Mork is the messiah that will lead gamers back to arcade game design. The industry will follow and the rebirth of arcade genres will commence.

>>718370621
It means incremental adjustments to gameplay mechanics over long periods of time

Game mechanics converge towards something fun and interesting to play when you keep making small improvements to it. Sometimes you have a step back here and there, but eventually they get undone or fixed by future incremental changes. This is, imo, one of the reasons ss13 is still so good to play.

>>718396847
A game about running around and being overstated within 10 minutes toppled the rape you for not trying to win game so good luck with that one Mork.

>>718397446
This is famously not a problem in arcade design

>>718369496 (OP)
>>718370621
>mechanical darwinism
I read that as mechanical dwarfism and got really confused.

>>718397629
Mork already knows porn, pseudo porn games and even non-games like VNs are more popular than shmups and bmups. He will continue to extoll the virtues of arcade game design and complain when it's absent.

>>718382884
I remember when this guy made a negative Other M review when all the official outlets were sucking its dick. He used to post here too. I wonder what happened to all those video makers that posted here back in the day like him or matthewmatosis or duke or nyanners etc.

>>718369574
Open is an Indian
These guys know nothing of pacing or restraint

>>718397629
Why does it bother me so much to see black souls enter the normiesphere

>>718396847
Not playing to win means intentionally getting game overs, not using a weaker pokemon and still winning the game.

>>718398146
This poster could not restrain themselves for hitting post before proofreading.

>>718398190
Nothing good can come of normalfaggots finding out about le epic soulslike rape game. Setting more precedent for the crackdown on games if anything.

>Nothing about Expedition 33
>Nothing about Bananza
Not very good at feeding the kids are we?

>>718373408
>chess, with computer assistance, is solved
>guy who complains about people using "solved" inaccurately uses the term inaccurately
pottery

>>718399063
>Expedition 33
Man fuck that game, I was so pissed when I played it because how everyone here was singing its praises and then the story turned out to be absolute dogshit and the gameplay was just badly designed parryslog.

returvn

stop playing darwinian rollslop
play arcade instead

>>718399697
What game? Looks great

>>718399697
For some reason there's nothing I hate more in games than having bosses or enemies you have to kite around while they spin and slowly approach you. It's just that particular attack pattern that grinds my gears.
Even worse if there's no way to damage the said boss or enemy while it's doing it, so the combat encounter is over only when the opponent lets you damage it.

>>718399954
gaiapolis, konami

how was this never ported on dc, it feels like proto yakuza but without all the soap opera cutscenes, open world roaming and side quest filler

>>718399976
>no jump cancel
unskilled

>>718400041
Thank you

>>718400405
I couldn't even figure out how to jump kek
worst part of emulating random arcade stuff is how obtuse controls can be or annoying to set up, especially if they were designed for unique devices

>>718399590
crazy hawk ahh game
name?

>>718399063
>Destroy the terrain
>This lets you go under whatever obstacle is on the surface
Very free video about the DEATH of level design. Not sure why he didn’t do it.

>>718400981
>>718399590
top skater
gaiapolis
wild riders
spinal breakers
virtual on (if you have tips to git gud anon, would be nice I wanna try the sequel)
motor raid
vendetta
super chase criminal termination
spikeout
aggressors of dark kombat

>>718382574
>>718384201
'hog in the 'log

>>718401610
>(if you have tips to git gud anon
play the ps2 rerelease, it has better controls for controller. but if you insist on keeping classic controls then pushing both sticks outwards lets you jump and pushing both inwards lets you crouch or fast fall midair. it also relocks you onto your opponent so use that instead of dash attacking all the time.

>>718401965
useful thanks

>>718369496 (OP)
SHMUP autists are responsible for these shit threads

reminder that you dont hate shmup fags enough

>>718404223
Why don't youtubers ever fucking put on armor? 0 poise nigger

>>718404335
worse, it's a dmcfag

>>718404223
lo what a retard

>>718404335
>cavefags autists are responsible for these shit threads
ftfy

>spends a month making a multiple hours long video about God Hand
>gets absolute basic mechanics wrong, like thinking you have to time the duck dodge instead of being able to spam it

Mork bump

>>718387275
>>718369496 (OP)
This hater schizo is very amusing
And he posts very much like Eric does, I think he might be Eric, maybe is is mad Mark shitted on some PS5 game
Or he is likely the shmup hater schizo you know the "post clears" one
Like 90% of the replies to the last and this thread is him samefagging
How do you become this crazy?
You are only making him more popular by the way no matter how you try and make him look bad, mostly because you type like a child throwing a tantrum.
Mark isnt perfect, not at all, but you are making him look better.