Thread 718373106

>Ex PlayStation boss says "we've plateaued" on gaming tech, so hardware companies could at the very least make it all "cheaper and simpler"

https://archive.is/B5sD9

Oh, they noticed now?

>>718373106 (OP)

Finally somebody says something reasonable.

Graphics card companies should STOP trying to make more powerful cards. Those are useless. They instead try to create a version of a 1080 that costs 10 dollars.

>>718373179
>They instead try

*should try

>>718373179
>They instead try to create a version of a 1080 that costs 10 dollars.
>implying they still wouldnt charge hundreds of dollars for it

Reminder this guy was advocating for higher game prices 3 days ago.

>>718373106 (OP)
hopefully this is true so developers can finally get their head out of their asses and start optimizing their games once more.

>guys stop trying to make as much money as possible please
yeah great advice retard

Why do they keep trying to make games look like movies? How does that make them fun? Furthermore why are they incapable of creating an artstyle?

>>718373276

They literally can't make money like this though
No one is buying their overpriced cards anymore cause literally every game runs perfectly on a 15 year old card

>>718373179
>a version of a 1080 that costs 10 dollars.
Granted, it costs 10 dollars but breaks down after approximately ten hours of use. Please subscribe to the delivery service where they deliver a new 101080 each week.

every three months some exec ponders to the press that perhaps they should stop trying to advance graphics and make affordable games on shorter dev cycles again and then two weeks later they announce a game with mandatory ray tracing that requires a 5070 to run it at 45 FPS

>>718373250
every time they increase the prices of video games or some faggot publisher decides to use anti consumer shit like denuvo I pirate another video game out of spite.

if we have "plateaued" then why are they making another playstation
execs say dumb shit like this and still try to empty your pockets.

>>718373106 (OP)
Sweetbaby.inc ruined kratos.

>>718373276
Hey illiterate nigger, anyone that's not retarded knows that spending more money on a game means more money wasted. But it's like you have brain cells faggot.

>>718373382
>why are they making another playstation

They're not. PS5 is the last Playstation. Sony has stopped making hardware.

>>718373424
Don't have brain cells is what it should say. Don't let shitty autocorrect make you think your not an stupid nigger.

>>718373179
It is pretty obvious from the current direction of the tech/entertainment industry that the current plan of big players regarding premium gaming is to just squeeze the wealthy audiences in West and East-Asia with price hikes for as long as they can. They probably don't have long term grand plans beyond that, but publicly traded corporations concerned with the current financial quarter don't need to have.

>>718373327
Capcom sure tried with MH Wilds. Needing AI framegen bullshit with a 4080 at 1080p is almost funny.

>>718373368
The best thing to do is to not even pirating the game.
Pirating is proven to boost sales.

>>718373402
Dad of War was always shit anyways. Sweet Baby Inc can only make a turd a bigger turd.

>>718373106 (OP)
That's what you get with DEI hires. No innovation. No experimentation. Just tired reused slop.

>>718373402
Be better.

>>718373106 (OP)
>we plateaued on making smoothbrained gwaffix cattle happy with $150m hyperrealistic modeling and animating department budgets, so now we might have to start making games fun to actually play again
What a tragedy

>>718373564
The first game was good, here is where they just screw up everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7XNdb4Px9s&t=3667s

>>718373690
Not this Better, Kratos was literally turned into a Fucking Steven Universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7XNdb4Px9s&t=3816s

>>718373726
The first game is average, it has some good aspects but is largely boring and carried almost entirely by the Dad of Boy story rather than anything gameplay related

>>718373447
Bold statement.
Imagine if the new Playstation is handheld only.

>>718373106 (OP)
Aloy looks like eddie munster

didn't he just say game prices could be much higher less than a week ago is this faggot mouthed retard retarded? go to bed unc

>>718373106 (OP)
>could at the very least make it all "cheaper and simpler"
Could but never will lmao

i can't believe Sony has the balls to call out the Nvidia grift.
They're incapable of improving the physical hardware any further so they just sell scams to people, like Buttcoin and AI generation.

>>718373106 (OP)
What’s the story with Shawn layden? Was he forced to leave playstation?

>>718373768
>>718373726
>simptethic futaman

>>718373893
Yes >>718373250

>>718373106 (OP)
about time now can you make some fucking games sony

>>718373106 (OP)
Turns out Nintendo was right all along since the Wii era.
Too bad retards kept pushing Nintendo for it and now they have to charge 80$ for it.

>>718373106 (OP)
This has been the case since Final Fantasy XIII released for the PS3 and Xbox 360 in 2009.

>>718373893
>>718373250
He probably still believes in the idea that hardware should be cheap to drive software sales. Which is not really up to date mindset, since your typical Playstation owner will only ever buy and play sportsball games and Call of Duty anyways no matter what.

>>718373726
The story was shit that's only praised for the father raising his son dynamic preying on peoples heart strings. Most of the game is a walking simulator, and when it wasn't it was receptive combat and mind numbing puzzles.

Hardware performance barely improve nowadays. Chasing hardware improvement is useless. The real advancement are in software level like upscaling, compression, and such. It's no longer about extreme details and fidelity but about realistic illusion. Nvidia know this and this is why they are far ahead in the market right now

>>718374091
GOD OF WAR WAS ALWAYS DEEP YOU COWARDS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmjUkKs768

>>718373402
I don't understand why Kratos is brooding so much in the new games. He's already forgiven himself more than once and his vengeance at the end of the day was just. It's not like he was sperging randomly or took it out on innocent people. There was some collateral but pretty much everyone he hunted down was evil. They unintentionally made it look like Faye made his life miserable more than Zeus. The worst part is that he pretends to be wise but still is a fucking idiot that regularly gets schooled by other characters. Original Kratos was someone you would actually respect, new Kratos feels like a larper tough guy.

>>718374219
>believes

what is there to believe? for nearly 10 years nintendo has been making more profit doing just that. Clearly Sony could learn something from them.

>>718374372
Sony would need games like Nintendo's for that to be viable for them.

>"plateaued on gaming tech"
>old games have better physics, mechanics, attention to details, difficulty, AI, LOST TEHNOLOGIES and sometimes even graphics compared to 99% of AAA slop
>better performance per physics/graphics without DLSS gen slop
Nice plateau.

remember that the overlap between ps4 and earlier ps players is much smaller than most people think since ps4 had so many xbox refugees and new casual gamers joining in
sony isn't stupid and god of war on ps4 not being numbered or having a subtitle was to attract people who've never played gow
ps4 gow is being praised at the expense of the og trilogy because these people have never played older games but want to pretend to have good taste by shitting on the "immature" older games

>>718374345
The consequences of milking a story beyond its conclusion

>>718373526
MH Wilds was shit on all fronts, what an embarrassment of a game.

>>718373402
antiwhiteism ruined kratos.
SBI was just the injection source
(also no, the devs themselves are already antiwhite, it's WHY they hired SBI)

>>718373106 (OP)
Nintendo and Valve were right, Switch 2 will be the last Switch with Nintendo bringing the OLED a lot sooner, at least 2027. Steam Deck 2 will be the last Steam Deck, why for both, no reason to make another. Microsoft will fall for the incremental trap using OEMs for that as the next in-house Xbox will be their last and when next gen Xbox plans fail, they'll go full third party and admit defeat to Valve. Sony's PS6 will only be faster than the PS5 Pro barely having much of a difference with some shitty overpriced handheld that will have a shit battery because it's stronger than the Xbox Series S. Nintendo and Valve won, everyone else was retarded.

>>718374091
futa =/= tranny
dumb zoomer nigger tranny
no one wants your dissgusting sliced up meat golems.

>>718373250

I mean,he was talking about increasing the prices a little every gen and no like a big increase at once like it happening right now

>>718373695
>this
Minecraft is the best selling game of all time and Fortnite looks like it could have been on the xbox 360. I don’t give a fuck about graphics, nobody gives a fuck about graphics. /v/irgins might care about graphics, but nobody pirates games more than the NEETs on this board, so why would game companies care about someone coming on here and making a thread about how their game doesn’t run at 120FPS with 4K resolution and RTX and 15 gwafix mods stacked on top? Just make a game people find fun and they’ll tell themselves it looks just fine.

>>718374283
>The real advancement are in software level like upscaling,

The real advancements are in making the image worse?

>>718374345
Tbf stuff like using one of Poseidon's wives to hold some giant gear that crushed her or when he let a Cerberus burn the guy with the bow was pretty fucked.

>>718373106 (OP)
Lmao no we haven't.

Until games look like avatar 2009 then I'll grant you that.

I think we're close. The PS6 will probably have early 2000s CGI

I'm fine with ye goode olde Radeon VII, since all modern slop runs just fine on at least medium settings.
With all the stagnation, there's absolutely no reason to upgrade.

>>718373106 (OP)
>Nikocado: Forbidden Slot
>Cuck of War
>GoY
This is it, this is the peak of gaming. We've finally reached it.

>>718375807
Gpus haven't made any progress in price/performance in a decade. Consoles need to be cheap so at the same price as the ps5 the ps6 won't have any more performance because there hasn't been any advancements made just more expensive options put out.

>>718373141
>they noticed
Shut it down

>>718376058
>GoY

Are there any games that generate textures with AI yet? I shouldn't have to download 100GB of bullshit for visual improvements I'm probably not even going to notice.

>>718373106 (OP)
>fat retard who only profits from selling software wants hardware to be cheaper and easier to work with so he can sell more software without having to spend as much on hardware and development

oh man this is a revelation holy shit no one could have possibly predicted this

>>718374953
But they arent justifying the price increases at all. Games arent better, theyre actually getting worse because the retards are patching it later, MP game balance favours the streamers who are 0.1% of players, content is lacking, stories are forgetable trash or only memorable because of how shit they are. Games are taking 7 years to release for them to have minor improvements in graphics, basic as fuck gameplay features and zero reason to replay.

The cost is not worth it.

>>718376350
The cost of the hardware is negatively impacting the software sales for no benefits. If they stopped shitting out more expensive hardware literally no one would be bothered.

>>718374503
Yeah, it's funny seeing them act like we've "plateaued" when in reality, we fell off a cliff after 2005 and everything since then has been like picking between someone shitting in your meal or someone vomiting in it.

>>718376678
>Japanese food analogy

>>718376529
This is because the rules of inflation do not apply as much to video games as they are a luxury good

In the end consumers are only willing to pay as much for a game when everything else gets more expensive, nobody actually NEEDS to buy a video game. It can easily be disregarded if it does not fit into your budget

>>718376678
There were still some improvements till about 2015, but it pretty much all went downhill with the 7th gen.

>>718373106 (OP)
he's basically right, or more specifically the amount of man hours needed to take advantage of technical advances has become untenable
leaks suggest the ps6 handheld spec could potentially retail as low as $300ish. the idea being to pull forward budget conscious (poor) ps4 owners who never upgraded to ps5

>>718377157
>leaks
That's nothing more than Moore's Law is Dead's speculation, you're getting a $600 handheld. You can't make a handheld stronger than the Xbox Series S cost as low as $300, that's pure wishful thinking.

>>718374919
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>>718374919
Coping faggot, you are a homosexual tranny for liking dicks

>>718373179
Sorry all graphic cards companies care about is making cards for AIfags and AI war.

>>718373106 (OP)
>So hardware companies could at the very least make it all "cheaper and simpler"

For the customer, right?

It should've stopped advancing twenty years ago.

>>718378327
Yeah, actually. If they could give away the hardware for free they'd stand a far better chance converting the mobile gamers to try a real game.

>>718373106 (OP)
That's great! Now they have to make "FUN" games!

>>718374705
>antiwhiteism
loxism

>>718373326
Because movies are dying and they want to occupy that space to try and cannabilize and squeeze a few more shekels

>>718375807
That Gollum looks like a ps2.

>>718373106 (OP)
The problem is that they keep hiring dumber people and bureaucratizing so that it negates what should be lower labor costs due to advances in technology.

If they still had teams that could create their own engines from scratch and every political commissar was told to go screech in the unemployment line, game budgets would be lower than ever.

>>718376529
don't forget inserting woke writing and shit nobody wants

The problem is that no matter how powerful the hardware gets, games will be 30 fps with stutters either way and people will defend it.

>>718373447
Considering that we've had leaks about Sony talking to AMD about next gen hardware and a handheld, this isn't true

>>718380907
Is that a COLORFUL FLAG ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDINGIN A VIDEO GAME!?!?!?!?! And there's MORE THAN ONE?!?!?!?! Oh my god how OBVIOUS can the jews be????? This is western white genocide. The era of masculinity is being canceled. Nobody wanted this or asked for this, they're shoving it down our throats. Im so outraged, aren't you just ANGRY about this too??? WAKE THE FUCK UP WESTERN MEN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
t. not a cultist

>>718381119
Sony is obviously going to try for one more gen since MS gave up on the xbox.

>>718373106 (OP)
Lol no such issue on pc

>>718373106 (OP)
>ex boss

>>718381293
You do say the same thing about swastikas tattoos, right? Just some ink after all.

>>718373250
This is also the guy who rejected any pitch that wasnt third person cinematic experience with massive budget lmao. Hes literally a reason why Sonys first party studios are making only those type of games nowadays and why PS fans expect that shit and only that.

>>718373106 (OP)
>fire engineer devs
>outsource to India
>wtf games look like shit now
>surely this means progress is now impossible forever, let's abandon all effort and get even cheaper pajeets now

>>718373106 (OP)
Lmao gaming plateaued at 2010's. And no adding more pixels to the textures is not advancement, modern games look worse than games made a decade ago despite having 4k textures and stutter like a motherfucker

>>718381890
>last time anyone innovated with gameplay system was Monolith with Nemesis system back in 2014
Shits funny as fuck. After that absolutely no one be it western or asian studio made any kind of innovation when it comes to game design. Its like in 2013 all designers globally who even tried to do anything new left industry overnight and thats it lol. Even directors who were known to make experimental shit like Suda are making derivative slop now.

>>718381293
If you have to say "not a cultist", you are spewing a bad take.

>>718373179
Only china could do that but it won't happen since the relationship with nvidia is so important for AI.

>>718373106 (OP)
>>718373179
Weve been having diminishing returns since the 7th console generation, and it took them this long to notice?
>>718374503
Of course hes phrasing it in a flattering way when development has actually regressed in terms of the returns you get for investing time and money, Like spending weeks modeling an intricate barrel the player will knock over and ignore in 1 second or painstakingly coding the leg position of your character to line up with the stairs.

>>718381293
this but unironically

>>718373179
I'd settle for pre-cryptomining prices, honestly. Being able to max out the settings of any game on a $300 card was a pretty good deal.

>>718374503
the problem is that big corpos took the GRAFIX path as opposed to make physics more realistic and creating games around them. i remember the early 2000s when every game had to have some kind of physics engine to play with

>>718381825
nazism is fundamentally about genocide, most gays don't want to kill straight people but i'm sure you think otherwise and you voted for a jew because most nazis are retarded

he only says this because he realized they can't continue the graphics arms race much longer.
You have to market a more expensive piece of compressed sand and plastic, with barely visible graphical advancement, because its fully dependent on devs not being lazy fucks and wasting all that extra processing power.
It's the same with phones, the huge majority of people don't notice a difference between a phone released yesterday or 5 years ago.

>>718373250
what fuckin phenotype is this?

>>718373106 (OP)
defend this UE5 fags
top of the line GPUs barely manage above 60FPS
that shit engine needs to be abandoned by every single dev
go back to custom, in house engines and hiring white engineers and not codejeets

>>718385290
Okay, and? What does that have to do with anything?

>>718381293
never go full retard

Fine. Can we have some games now, instead of a new console that costs more, and has nothing on it?

>>718373106 (OP)
It was a perverse process to begin with, when 3D graphic was in its infancy you could get massive visual improvements with relatively low increases in polygon counts

But the process has diminishing returns and you need to get more and more demanding software and tech for less and less actual improvements in visuals

The industry, however, was already stuck on the mindset and process that you need to get better and better graphics because that worked initially and it shaped internal goals in a way that is hard to change now

>>718381293
reopen the asylums or make it legal to attack these retards when you see them pls

>>718385595
Based 5090.

>>718373106 (OP)
That's a fucking good thing, you >[Sad News] nigger. It means we'll get high-end shit cheaper, imagine building a current 5k€$ PC for a tenth of the price and get gaming affordable for everyone. We'll just have to be better at gatekeepin because of turd worlders but that's everyone's duty.

>>718385595
>UE5 fags
Who?
I've never seen an end user genuinely defend UE5

>>718385595
>just turn on frame generation

>>718373106 (OP)
>>718373250
This dude got interviewed by some fuck and now the media is farming every taken out of context line he said for clickbait headlines. Even had one to shit on gamepass once again because of course they would.

>>718374503
I remember thinking that Red Faction shooter was kind a neat as first step into the future of interactivity with its destructible environments but then that turned out to be the peak till fucking Minecraft.
And the worst is that despite millions of copies of Minecraft only like 2 got that the environment getting changed by your farming and mining is what makes it so good. Instead all the survival shit games just fixed spots for grass and bushes you hold E on till they turn seethrough and respawn in 30 seconds.

>>718385595
to be fair that game doesn't even need an FPS above 60, if it was locked at 60 it would not make any difference. Gaymer fags think games like that should run at 500FPS when all you are doing is walking around slowly

>>718373106 (OP)
>hardware companies
What? The PS4 game Last of Us 2 stutters like shit on my 2020 midrange PC and Sony thinks HARDWARE companies are responsible for that?

>>718388792
Based. Can never shit on gamepass enough.

>>718387969
You won't need a PC to run those games, mobiles can already run PS4 games like RE7

>>718389183
Dumb snoy

>>718389146
its not a question of whether it needs to go above 60 or not
its the fact that visually the game doesnt look any better than RDR2 for example yet runs significantly worse
stop being a retard

>>718391017
Then don't focus on FPS for a shit game like Mafia as it's basically a movie game and focus on whether the FPS dips due to the poor optimisation and generally anything else like graphical glitches. So many fags concentrate on FPS in games that are not only not multiplayers, they are almost walking simulators.

>>718373106 (OP)
AI will save it

>>718373402
>GOY OF ONIONS - BOY
>BETTER MAN EDITION
>TYYYYYYRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! DESTROY MY ENEMIES, AND MY WIFE IS YOURS!
>yo dad, I got dis bish angryboda or sumtn. She be black. I dunno if she had other men tho fr.
>HOW MANY MEN SHE WAS WITH, DO NOT MATTER, IT WAS HER PAST, JUST LIKE YOUR MOTHER. WE MUST BE BETTER ME
>u said last time we wuz gods n shieet
>NO BOI! WE ARE MORE THAN THAT!

>>718391307
RETARD
IF A FUCKING $3000 GPU can barely manage to hit 60 FPS then that fucking means the game isnt optimized you fucking imbecile
holy shit its genuinely shocking how retarded some people are

>>718389247
>PS4 games
Okay but I don't wanna run just PS4 games though?

>>718374345
>some collateral
Didn't he basically nuke mythical Greece?

>>718373141
no, layden has been saying this for years now, sony just doesnt listen