Thread 718381484

>thousands of posts bitching about game key cards
>0 posts actually articulating why they are bad.

>it is digital but you can sell it!
if the thought of ever selling a video game crossed your mind then you are poor and don't own a switch 2 in the first place and you surely aren't paying full price for digital games

>>718381484 (OP)
because they aren't

Because you cannot just put a key card into the console and run the game from the cartridge without relying on connection to the centralized servers.

>>718381582
>another retard COLLECTOR that never bought a dud or just mediocre game that I don't give a fuck about after finishing
Easy with the hot takes retardo.

>>718381582
Selling switch games is based because they retain their value.

It's bad specifically if you buy physical games with the intention of playing the game without needing an internet connection, I guess.
If you mostly buy digital anyway, you have no reason at all to be mad about this. It's actually a half step up from a regular digital download, because you can sell it on, or give it away when you're done.

I hate to defend the slow march into digital only, but we started this shit 20 years ago, when people decided they were okay with Steam. I flat out stopped buying physical PC games when I realised they now have no resale value whatsoever, and are just a box in your house once the install is done.

Why are people seething about this? Because Nintendo did something.

Articulate this online required DRM. Rhetorical, I rest my case.

>>718381679
Standard practice for the last 20 years. What you're demanding is for Nintendo to print entirely new cartridges every time they patch their games.

I'm not mad about it so much as I'm mad that third parties are using it for new releases
I never bought code in a box shit and I wont buy this, but because of that I'm skipping physical games I would have otherwise bought like Dragon Quest 1/2 remake

>>718381731
Deserved for gaming on Xbox. Even as slow as the Switch was, it always had a better store interface and shopping experience than Xbox

>>718381776
They're allowed to seethe about it when we had physical games as recent as the first switch and the technology is there to still make them but nintendo only provides 64gb carts

>>718381795
Nintendo actually prints more cartridges all the time that come pre-patched. So not only are you retarded, you're wrong.

>>718381484 (OP)
combining the worst of physical (having to get off your ass to put in the game) and the worst of digital (youre fucked the moment the servers go down). woooo excitement

>>718381841
But you just sat by and let Steam destroy the resale value of PC games, for twenty years, and *now* you're mad.

Zoomers death please.

>>718381484 (OP)
People who buy physical copies get them because they want the full game without the need for downloads.
People who buy digital copies get them because they want the convenience of having everything on their system without the clutter of physical games.
The Key-cards don't really appeal to either. They're a nice alternative to the half game/code in a box shit that was on Switch 1, but the fact that they're made for cheap 3rd party devs really sours the whole thing.

>>718381776
>It's bad specifically if you buy physical games with the intention of playing the game without needing an internet connection
but this is disingenuous. You only need a connection for the initial game download (again, standard practice for 20 years). Once it's downloaded, you can play it offline just fine.

https://www.doesitplay.org/ Too bad zoomers are illiterate and digital fags are subhumans to read basic data.

>>718381945
There is a hypothetical individual who lives on a mountain somewhere and doesn't get internet

>>718381856
Do you go to a gamestore and demand a free exchange to a newer print everytime this happens so you don't have to connect your console to the Internet? What about system updates? Do you just RMA the whole console everytime?

Eric won!

>>718381980
total zoomer death

>>718381791
>text in image has nothing to do with steam
>puts steam in it anyway
Mindbroken.

>>718381978
And inexplicably owns the latest and greatest in video gaming hardware

>>718381953
Does it even matter if you can't play the game without some kind of online verification?

>Does it even matter if you can't play the game without some kind of online verification?
TOTAL
ZOOMER
DEATH

>>718382001
>no I cant steal REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
kek

>>718382009
He visits the city once a year.

>>718382001
Answer the question? When Nintendo releases a new prepatched print, do you buy it or does a store accept to exchange it for free.

>>718382048
That's not an answer. If you have a game disc that doesn't let you play a game without an internet connection, you do not have a video game. You have a box in your house with an expensive Frisbee.

>>718382008
TOTAL STARVATION DEATH FOR DIGITAL DRM COCKSLEEVES

>>718381791
So how does something like this work? Does Steam remove the games from everyone's library if they've already been used?

Buckbreaks zoomers.

>>718381484 (OP)
It combines the best AND worst aspects of both the physical and digital model.
Being able to sell on a digital download is a positive but also you can get a paperweight in 10 years when the servers shut down. At least a digital download can tie itself to the device, a physical cart may no be the latest version but can work across any device. Once these carts can't phone home in 10 or so years they're worthless. If you're the kind of person who doesn't hold on to things they like, sure go for it. but in an industry that is making mostly garbage nobody wants theres a lot of value into holding on to games you actually enjoy.

>>718381795
This is what Nintendo used to do though when companies were less vile back in the 2000s, Zoomer kun.

There was a time when every game was offline only and if the game needed a patch they would patch it in the newer versions of the disc or cartridge. But this also inspired them to get it right the first time. Most modern games are released in a broken state because the devs can just patch it on day 2 now. Remember Cynberpunk's release date. I can still play my games from 30 years ago actually but I can't play my games from 5 years ago because the servers are all dead now. Lol.

>0 posts actually articulating why digital only console games are bad.
Download page of purchases inaccessible. Money stolen.

>>718381894
>Can't play physical game because it is tied to digital DLC
>"I'm further radicalized towards physical media!"
Consolefags will never learn, the only true road is the way of the PC Pirate

>>718382258
Yes, but if the disc contains all the data of the game, and you can't play it anyway, what is the difference?

Satisfied digital game DRM eater consumer :)

>>718382197
>I can still play my games from 30 years ago actually but I can't play my games from 5 years ago because the servers are all dead now.
All the games made in the last 5 years are remakes and remasters of those games from 30 years ago

>>718381582
Based. The only kid I've known that sold his games was a low IQ poorfag with terrible judgement and poor financial choices that bought into the hype of every single obvious trash shovelware game and he sold his older games to make money to buy these shitty ones and years later he ended up regretting it.

>>718382397
Holy shit this is grim

I'm not buying game keycards.

>>718381582
>>718382461
I had a copy of fucking Cubivore when I was a kid and I sold it bc it's genuinely a shit game and now its like 300 dollars

>>718381484 (OP)
If one plans to keep their games, the Game-Key Cards are the worst of both worlds; A waste of storage and physical space. If I have to download the game anyway, I might as well bought it digitally to begin with to have access at any given moment.

The Switch 2 comes with 256GB of onboard storage, expanded storage options for microSD Express go up to 1TB (from Lexar, SanDisk and Samsung have up to 512GB available), buying physically can stretch that space for quite sometime, especially since software runs directly from the Card.

I identify as non buy nary about DRM online required physical games.

>>718382606
The internal storage is the fastest so you want to save that for the good shit

>>718381582
I invest in video games and sell them for profit and I'm a multi-millionaire. You're the one who sounds like a fucking poorfag, nigger.

>>718381484 (OP)
Most of the arguments against them are pretty poor, I've seen people complain about game preservation, but they also complain about game preservation for fully digital games, even though with the original Switch basically every game, or at least every major game has had the rom dumped and is backed up somewhere, and this will inevitably happen with the Switch 2, as far as game preservation goes this isn't actually worsening things, and every game on a key card is also available digitally anyway, and let's not even forget that they are all third party games and every single one of them is available on other hardware. Literally only an issue if they existed in a vacuum where Nintendo themselves used them but this isn't the case.
I'd say their real only fault is that they just aren't worth the tradeoffs, the 2 gains from these is that you can get the higher internal storage speeds due to having to install it digitally and you can resell the game, but you also lose the full convenience of a digital game in that you now have to physically insert a cartridge to play it. The greatest plus a game Key Kard Komprises is that it tells you what companies to avoid, if a company puts a game you want on a key card then don't buy it and think very carefully about purchasing from that company in the future because they absolutely don't respect you as a customer.
You could probably flip the key card to a bonus if Nintendo just shoved 2 game card slots into the Switch 2 dock allowing you to use your dock to verify ownership of a game, that way you get at least some of the convenience of digital, Nintendo could even extend this to physical titles, allow you to install the game and just use the dock to verify ownership, all the advantages of digital with none of the drawbacks.

Digital only wet dream in this thread.

>>718382105
The bot will never answer this.

>>718382263
PC vegan*

>>718382606
Not wasting money on third party titles will probably lead to you filling that space maybe mid life Switch 2, and that's if you go all digital, Nintendo don't bloat their games retarded like everyone else. Mario Kart World is 23.4GB installed and it's the largest a Nintendo game has been, that's 1/10th of your internal storage.

>>718382454
>>718382554
>>718382628
>>718382708
>>718382751
Nintendo is so based for mindbreaking schizos like this

>Third party publishers don't want to spit out extra for storage.
>Nintendo gives them the option to use much cheaper game key cards.
>EA and Activison still release Split Fiction and THPS 3+4 as Codes in Box.

>>718381484 (OP)
kek

>>718382807
https://www.ign.com/articles/delisting-the-crew-makes-sense-preventing-it-from-ever-being-played-again-does-not Buckbreaks PC too.

>>718382105
Not the other guy, but it depends on the game. Before, if you buy a pre-owned game and find out the version isn’t the one you were looking for, you can probably go back and ask if they have any other copies that have the correct version of it and just swap it out. Nowadays, most companies or independent store owners are wise to these versions, so they might upcharge because of it. Perfect example of this is the original release of Ocarina of Time had red blood and some Islamic chanting in the Fire Temple, so future copies that were sold ended up censoring the blood and removing the chanting, leading to the enthusiasts who search for the game preowned to make sure their copy is the uncensored version. Will stores swap it out these days? Depends on the store, but probably not (definitely not new, since if they did release a patched copy, it would be way past the exchange period).

>>718381776
>It's bad specifically if you buy physical games with the intention of playing the game without needing an internet connection, I guess.
You can play them offline.

>https://store.nisamerica.com/products/the-legend-of-heroes-trails-beyond-the-horizon?variant=42117184127024

NIS America still has 100% of their key card Switch 2 stock of the new Legend of Heroes game available; while PS4/PS5 physical stick are both sold out. Make that of what you will.

>>718381484 (OP)
because they're not physical. I can still play my NES games. you can't with these unless you want to buy it again on their next console. fuck your keys and fuck Nintendo

>>718383420
everything about switch 2 pisses me off. so I'm boycotting them. I'm sure I'm not the only one

>>718381484 (OP)
>$80 (((digital copies)))

>>718381484 (OP)
>It's not plug and play
>Cost the same as a fully functional cartridge
>Doesn't work without internet, once Nintendo servers close, you have no game
>Another step towards digital only
>Cheaper option, so it will become standard
>Nintendo now has full control over your physical media too

>>718383491
You couldn't play NES games on the SNES without buying the game again, either.

>>718383642
nes was just an example. I could have easily said my switch cards

>>718383686
But you said NES. And were incorrect.

>>718383491
Isn't it funny how pervasive the argument from DRM cum stained lips are "durrr games without patches are broken and uhhh I live in a third world country so physical games rot". Meanwhile your 30 year old NES cartridges work just fine. A real consorted astrotrurfed effort to gaslight consumers to switch to DRM digital hellscape. Zoomers who play DRM always online slop buy into those anti consumer arguments.

My PS1 discs still work 30 years later too like your NES games.

>>718381484 (OP)
My "hot take" on the whole key card thing is that 99% of the people complaining about them won't be playing any of their physical Switch 2 games in 15-20 years.
>>718381582
>buy game
>play and finish it
>know I'm never going to play it again
Why the fuck would you not sell it? Why would you want something that you have no interest in playing again, or have no real attachment to, just sat there?

>>718383748
I don't buy games I won't replay.

>>718383720
yup. I've never experienced disk rot on any of my ps1 or 2 games. they're fucking shills trying to sell you this drm always online faggotry

>>718383784
How the fuck do you know you won't replay it until you've played it once and know its content?

>>718383686
Switch cards you can play on the switch 2

>>718383748
I won't be playing anything on switch 2 because I'm not going to buy that fucking brick. it's a scam

>>718383812
Piracy.

>>718383815
I can play them on my switch 1

>>718383847
If you're a pirate, why would you then spend money?

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/california-law-compels-digital-storefronts-to-inform-players-they-dont-own-their-games Digital cucks take the L.

>>718383932
To support the games I like. Duh.

>>718383856
But you said you have to buy them again on Switch 2. That's incorrect.

>>718383941
unfortunately that's only a Californian law

>>718383976
that's not what I was talking about, and you know it.

>>718384030
But that's literally what you said.
So what are you talking about? Be specific.

>>718381484 (OP)
>Does not come with the game on the cart which means what you own is basically a transferable CD key, not an actual copy of a game.
>Cannot be installed offline as it requires you to connect to the eShop to download the game at all.
>Unlike an actual game on a cartridge it requires you to download the game in its entirety meaning you have to give up space for the game to be installed.
>Since the Switch 2 only has 240ish GB internal, MicroSD Express cards are unreasonably expensive ($200 for 1 TB), and most modern games are anywhere from 5 GB to 130 GB depending on the game let alone DLC or patches the space taken up by these downloads.
>Unless the system is hacked and you can dump these things reliably, once the Switch 2 becomes discontinued it's entirely on Nintendo to keep up the servers that provide these downloads at all unlike proper physical copies that aren't tied to anything.
>You get all the negatives of physical and none of the positives of digital. Nothing gets tied to your account, your cartridge slot is taken up by the physical cart, you can't play the game without the cart, and it's taking up space on your system because it's a digital copy.
From every angle it's objectively bad, and with many of these games they're pricing them at the full $70.

>>718381795
>Standard practice for the last 20 years.
Does it Play outright shows this is not true. The overwhelming majority of games not only do not require a patch to make the games playable, but also don't require you to be online at all to start or install them.

>>718384073
>The overwhelming majority of games not only do not require a patch to make the games playable
Name some first party Switch 1 games that are unplayable without patches.
I'll wait.

>>718381484 (OP)
if the server goes down, if ninty decides to close the eshop for the console, if the company randomly decides to revoke the license, your single player physical media game is now gone forever

>>718384179
But you can play them offline.

>>718384195
and what happens when you delete the data to make room for something else but want to come back to it later?

>>718382129
Yes. When games are activated with a key (not bought from Steam directly) either Steam or the publisher can revoke the keys at any moment. Many small developers have done with when they fall prey to scams (give us 1 million keys for free to sell and we'll give you 90% of the profits, and then they get nothing) and they fuck over everybody who legitimately purchased the game alongside those who bought it from the scam site. Or they can revoke keys just because they don't like you gave their game a negative review. You own nothing, you'll be happy.

>>718384226
You tell me. Make sure you supply some evidence of your claim.

>>718384130
Why? I outright said pretty much every game doesn't require a patch to be playable. Not even third-parties. 92% of games released on the S1 don't require a patch at all, and of that 92% only 12% might have issues with crashing or something if you don't patch it but if you ignore that it's still playable for the most part.

It's why people saying that you need an internet connection even with a physical copy because the games are unplayable without patches are disingenuous or hyperbolic at best.

>>718383991
https://www.engadget.com/gaming/steam-now-tells-gamers-up-front-that-theyre-buying-a-license-not-a-game-085106522.html Check Steam, its been telling you on the checkout page you're renting licenses not owning games.

>>718383963
Lol.
Lmao even.

>>718384251
>Why
To prove your claim to be true.
I'm still waiting. Don't be scared.

>>718384070
I'll be able to play my physical games until the day I die. digital games on consoles won't be around forever, and you'll need to repurchase them on newer colsoles especially if they shut down online assets like the Wii did

>>718384336
I can still play my Wii Virtual Console games tho.
What point are you trying to make anon?

>>718384315
I never said they were unplayable without patches. I said they ARE playable without patches.

>>718384336
Isn't that exactly why Nintendo said the purchases are tied to your account now, not the console?
So you don't have to re-buy everything on the next console?

>>718384379
only because you have them saved. if you delete them you won't be able to re-download them

>>718384456
Okay. But it seems like that's a solved issue now, like >>718384429 said.
So what's your issue exactly?

Buckbreaks digital only semen lipped gamers.

>>718381484 (OP)
>physical DRM for video games
>no different from shitty anti-consumer hardware dongles like ilok
they're shit

>>718383597
I mean you probably are not the only one but realistically you're a drop in the ocean along with the others.
It's not like it is the Stadia or something.

>>718384387
My bad

>>718381582
>Retard doesn't even get why people sell games they have no interest in playing anymore and hopefully someone else gets it and enjoys it.
I bet you're brown.

>>718383720
>schizo PC vegans at it again
Just give it up. Everyone will move on and accept game key cards in due time.

>>718384801
>PC not mentioned anywhere
>THOSE FUCKING PCFAGS
Meds now

>>718384491
>>718384456
Guess he doesn't have any issues anymore.

>>718384491
that there isn't any physical games you stupid fucking retard. suck my balls shill

>>718385239
I was out buying beer

>>718385404
There literally is.
Why are you so upset?

>>718385404
You retard, your argument was already dismantled, take the L already. You lost there's no shame in admitting it. It's an anonymous imageboard ran by monkeys.

>>718385604
it only lost in your mind because you're not intelligent enough to grasp the scope of owning physical media.

>>718385685
If your argument was about physical media, why did you spend a majority of your time talking about re-buying digital games?

>>718385534
a handful of indy games? I can play those on pc

>>718385726
because you started talking about fucking nonsense

>>718385748
You brought it up, not me.

>>718385728
The vast majority of physical switch games are AAA.

>>718385792
about being able to play physical switch carts? sure the switch 2 may be backwards compatable, but the whole system itself is a fucking scam

>>718381776
>It's okay because well what you're gonna do about it
Not buying a switch 2 for starters and having a pirated backup copy of the shit bought on the drm machine called steam

>>718385869
Why? Be specific.

>>718385792
do you not understand that those aren't real physical games? they just contain the key card on them

>>718385902
about how they can brick your property at any given moment, fake cards that only have cd keys on them, always online?

>>718385908
Factually untrue. If you'd like to prove your claim to be correct, go ahead. But I don't think you'll be able to.

>>718385938
>about how they can brick your property at any given moment
Nice source there bucko

>>718385945
do you work for Nintendo or something? this is all readily available information that's been covered online.

>>718384456
Actually, you're still able to re-download anything you bought on the wii shop.
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27560/~/wii-shop-channel-discontinuation
>but they'll eventually shut down the ability to download purchases
I'm sure you'll be raging online about that when you're 70 and everyone has moved past the wii.

>>718385965
you know I have eyeballs right? you obviously don't

>>718385938
>about how they can brick your property at any given moment
Never happened.
>Fake cards
Don't like them either.
>Always online
Wrong.

>>718385984
it's not just about the wii.

>>718386006
>No source provided
Concession accepted.

>>718386016
why are you denying proof so hard? do you actually work for Nintendo?

>>718385979
You didn't prove your claim to be true yet buddy. Why not?
Don't be scared. If it's "readily available information" you can win in your next reply.
Go ahead. Be a winner.

>>718386036
look it up yourself faggot. everyone has a search bar

I don't own nor I plan to own a Switch 2. That said:
-Having to download the game is an annoyance, particularly on a portable system. What if I'm travelling, want to play some game but I don't have good internet connection to download one? Not much of a problem if you're an adult, you can stay on a hotel with good wifi, but as a kid, the main target, that's outside your powers.
-I can get a NES cartridge and play it today if it has good conditions, that's not possible if all I have is a keycard for a game hosted on a dead server. Nintendo is a big company, but a company nonetheless, I don't trust them to keep the servers indefinitely. I'll consider piracy a legitimate effort to conserve the games.

>>718386059
I don't have to. it's literally everywhere online

>>718386073
Burden of proof is on you bitch, you made the claim back it up

>>718386052
No proof has been posted for any of your claims.
Don't be scared. Prove your claims to be true.

>>718386073
No one ever won an argument by running away crying anon. You lose.

>>718386113
it's been backed up when the switch came out all over the place

>>718386138
>switch 2

>>718386104
>>718386138
>He can't prove his own claims to be true.
Then you lose.
Simple as.

>>718386134
I'm not arguing. you're just completely oblivious

>>718386029
Then what is it about? All of nintendo's digital stores have allowed you to download what you bought after they shut down the ability to buy new things, so the fear of them taking away your game is unwarranted.

>>718386181
how do you not know about these things?

>>718386189
I know you're not arguing. You have no argument. That's why you are losing.

>>718386191
you can do whatever you want with your money. it's not my problem. I just think you're stupid with how you spend it

>>718386215
>No proof
You lose. If you want to win, prove your claims to be true. Otherwise, keep crying.

Only key card game I bought was Bravely Default since the JP version was uncensored.

>>718386279
listen man. and yes I know you're a man. I'm not going to sit here talk to a brick ignorant wall who knows nothing. go ahead get fucked in the ass by Nintendo with your always online drm faggotry.

>>718386381
Guess you chose to keep crying.
You lose.

>>718386430
k

>why they are bad.
ragebait? they are bad because they dont have the game.

>>718386462
I'm glad you finally admitted that you lost.

>>718381484 (OP)
>why they are bad
- It offloads the burden of storage onto the consumer. YOU are responsible for buying an expensive SD card to store the game.
- You're also responsible for downloading the game in the first place. God help you if you have a slow/unreliable internet connection.
- Even Nintendo won't keep the validation/download servers up forever, so when they get taken down, you're fucked.
- It drags Nintendo down to the level of Sony/Microsoft who already did this shit years ago.
There's four reasons.

>>718381484 (OP)
alright, I'll fucking bite on this one

>all the downsides of digital purchases as having to download the entire game and no access to the 1.0 version of the game
>and also all the downsides of physical as having to keep some useless piece of plastic (that has literally nothing besides some confirmation code) that you need to use to even play the game
>will become an useless piece of junk in the future while not even stopping piracy in first place

and to make matters worse, the entire thing is a trap as the "you can just sell it later" has a massive problem as nintendo has been trigger happy with their bans over second market games, meaning that using them will just get you fucked over nothing because someone else still has the game installed on their switch 2

>>718381484 (OP)
Why not just buy digital?

>>718386643
>nintendo has been trigger happy with their bans over second market games
And the unban anyone who can prove they own the physical cart, right now. Sucks that it happens, but at least it's easy to solve.

>>718386731
>but at least it's easy to solve.
for now

>>718386851
Why would it get harder to solve in the future? Be specific.

>>718381484 (OP)
There are two problems with this shit.
The first is the ownership problem which in istelf is a good reason to never buy this shit, because you never know if once the switch 4 comes around Nintendo will still let you download the games you bought.

But the part I hate most currently is that you have to have space for the data, space the publishers didn't pay for and for which you have to pay the cost.
>SF6 is 70 Go
>The Switch 2 has a 240 Go storage
>You can have THREE whole games on your console despite buying the cartridges

This shit is absurd.

>>718386643
>"you can just sell it later"
yes technically you can but
NO ONE WOULD EVER GUY A SECOND HAND GAME KEY CARD BECAUSE IT HAS ZERO VALUE.

its insane that nintendo of all companies dropped the ball so hard on real physical games leaving sony to be the last bastion of ownership.

>>718387028
>Sony
>Ownership
If the PS5 pro gets disconnected offline it's a paperweight

It's all the downsides of digital plus all the downsides of physical, quite simple

>>718381484 (OP)
I assume this means the game becomes a brick in 15 years when Nintendo shuts off the validation service.

>>718381484 (OP)
I can't take it seriously when PC is digital only and Xbox/Playstation is already digital only. NDS is a very real thing

>>718381484 (OP)
1. when the servers go offline, so does your games
2. reselling games becomes riskier, nintendo can just change their minds and tie a key to a console. or if you brick a console that the game has touched they could also delegitimize the game
3. waiting for download always takes longer than not doing so

>>718386929
>>718386851
Guess he couldn't answer lol

>>718383420
>physical games are not going anywhere he says
>already down to 65% the first generation Sony went digital only
That shit is gonna plummet down another 20% easily next-gen

>>718387102
>If the PS5 pro gets disconnected offline it's a paperweight
thanks esl anon for the most retarded sentence

>>718387396
>when the servers go offline, so does your games
You can play the games offline tho.

>>718387483
>I can trust Indian customer support to fix all my problems, restore my account and never just decide to ignore me and fuck me out of thousands of dollars.
lmao

>>718387661
>You can play the games offline tho.
IF YOU HAVE DOWNLOADED THEM
STORAGE IS EXPENSIVE AF

>>718387656
>E-ESL
You will own nothing

>>718387749
Yes. Show me 1 (one) case where your example has happened.
I'll wait.

>>718387661
and you are sure you can keep playing a game if your console is offline for 10 years? that there's no requirement to go online every 5 months or so?

>>718387751
yeah an important reason why they don't put a little storage thing on every game cartridge is that Nintendo wants you to run out of space so you need to cycle out your older games

i'll add that to the list >>718387396
4. if you want to play an old game you've deleted due to needing the storage space it's a hassle to download and reinstall it again, needing to clear storage space again by deleting another game

worst part of this is that nintendo didn't put a little storage on every game cartridge. the games can't be that large so it would not have been expensive to buy those small storage chips in bulk

These motherfuckers pay $60 for 256GB of storage at the same time they cry that pc is too expensive.
Fuck you all.

>>718387871
>>E-ESL
>the PS5 pro gets disconnected offline
what you probably meant is the one time activation. which the Switch 2 needs as well.

>>718388147
>nd you are sure you can keep playing a game if your console is offline for 10 years?
Yes. If you can prove the opposite, go ahead.

>>718388361
>He can't do it
Concession accepted.

>>718381484 (OP)
>>0 posts actually articulating why they are bad.
When nintendo servers shut down for the switch 2, these key cards will have zero value whatsoever, since you won't be able to play the games ever again.
Do you need more articulation as to why they're bad?

>>718388194
Shut up retard

>>718388585
>When nintendo servers shut down for the switch 2, these key cards will have zero value whatsoever, since you won't be able to play the games ever again.
I can still re-download games I purchased on my 3DS and Wii console and those stores shut down eons ago.
You are incorrect.

>>718381484 (OP)
I wish consoles would just cut the crap, stop trying to fool us and go digital-only like they want to. Physical has been a joke for years now with day 1 updates and all that shit, codes in a box, key cards, discs etc. are just pissing on its grave. Anyone who's serious about it should've dropped modern gaming a long time ago.

>>718388361
I like the weeb bait pics

>>718388238
sounds like you don't know either so i don't know why you decided to jump to nintendo's defense like that

>>718386731
>Sucks that it happens, but at least it's easy to solve
Even if they setup an online form for quick unbans, the fact that you can get banned for playing your legally owned game and effectively render the console a 470 euros paperweight should be means for a class action lawsuit and for them to pay millions in compensations.
You should never in any fucking way do the right thing and be robbed point blank of your hard earned money, no EULA in this world can permit robberies.

>>718388752
>He can't prove his own claims to be true
Concession accepted. Thanks for confirming you couldn't do it.

>>718388361
>>718388723

>>718388796
Denied. Your assumption about never needing to go online solely lives in your head.

>>718383963
genuine kek

>>718388867
I never said or implied that, schizo.
Quote the exact post where you think I did. You won't, because you can't.

>>718388857
Saved, as most times its a 3/10 post.

It's pretty simple. They are superior to digital if you want to re-sell. Otherwise they are inferior because if you like physical carts this ain't that, no storage space saved, plus it's inconvenient to have the useless plastic shipped or picked up, so just get digital at that point if you just want to play the game. I have 4 physical Switch games, the next one will be Kirby Air Riders or whatever 3rd party can manage a real cartridge. Thankfully they keep releasing Switch 1 physical carts and they also run better on Switch 2. The Jewiest thing is releasing Switch 1 physicals and then purposely not doing upgrade patches. So damn greasy.

>>718388952
never needing to go online after the game is downloaded (of course) >>718387661

>>718388952
Pee pee poo poo bum bum

>>718389090
It doesn't say or imply what you said.
Concession accepted. Thanks for confirming you couldn't do it. Reading must be very challenging for you.

>>718381484 (OP)
In my lifetime I've bought 0 codes in boxes less, than 10 digital games and even then they were small indie releases, and I will never buy a key card.

>>718389157
Denied. You're intentionally being ridiculous.

>>718389378
It's too late, I've already accepted your concession.

For people who until very recently were arguing that installing from discs was bad and didn't count as owning the game, you changed your mind rather quickly.

>>718381484 (OP)
Simp sis...

>>718381795
False. You can play non-slop without a mandatory day 1 update.

>>718381484 (OP)
it's literally the worst of both worlds
>people like buying physical because they like actually owning the game
>people like buying digital because it's quick and convenient to buy
>game keycards don't have the game's data and are not convenient to buy

>>718381484 (OP)
Game Keys Carts aren't necessarily especially bad themselves. On paper, they're just digital keys but with some added positives and negatives. It's mostly a Nintendo problem, in two different ways

1) The ASW gigaleak seemingly confirmed that Nintendo is focusing on only offering Game Keys or full 64GB Carts. This would explain why so many smaller games are also using Game Key Cards, and so they're artificially fueling the erosion of what few physical releases there are left.

2) The Game Key Card is only as good for as long as Nintendo supports them, and Nintendo has historically been terrible compared to their competitors on long term online support. They close online services and stores much quicker than Microsoft and Sony, and they'll do shitty things like not bring back Virtual Console so they can rent you ROMs that many people already owned on Wii/Wii U. Not to mention the hardware has to be supported too, and even with a lot of consoles trying to kill their physical readers, it's a lot easier for others to offer some form of legacy support for optical media than it is for Nintendo to keep offering a reader for specialized carts.

>>718391034
You can still install anything you bought from the Wii/3DS. You just can't make new purchases anymore.

>>718391034
>They close online services and stores much quicker than Microsoft and Sony
Why lie, retard

>>718386643
Has anyone actually been banned for a used game or is it all pic related type things?

>>718381484 (OP)
It's all the bad parts of physical and digital with none of the good parts.
>need the cart inserted
>need to download
>cart is useless if servers go down

>>718391518
One person got banned, and he was unbanned within the day because he could prove he owned the cart and not the old owner (who had cloned the game and was running it online as well).
They won't just "ban you for buying used games".

>>718391698
>>cart is useless if servers go down
It's not always online. you can play the games offline once installed, just like any other game.

>>718391771
And what if you don't have it installed? Because the Switch 2 still has a paltry amount of storage for modern hardware.

>>718381484 (OP)
>0 posts actually articulating why they are bad.
At first glance, game key cards aren't bad. It's just another option for consumers. They can have a digital product with a physical activation key. It's an interesting way to market a digital game.
The real problem is the Switch 2 itself.
First, the console comes with only 250GB of internal memory. Street Fighter VI is about 40GB. Yakuza 0 is about 50GB. Both are "game key cards", which are literally digital games. 250GB of internal memory (which also needs to include saves, images, videos, DLCs, etc.) is not acceptable for digital games. Without game key cards, you at least have the option to buy physical games, but with game key cards, about 85% of the Switch 2's current library is exclusively digital, and you're screwed when it comes to managing internal storage.
Second, and more seriously, consoles are not like PCs where you have the freedom to manage files. On Steam, a game purchased on your account can be downloaded on any computer with a compatible operating system (which includes Linux, which is free), and you can make copies of that file for your own safety. On Switch 2, only Switch 2 hardware can download the files. Your digital games are stuck not only to a single e-store, but to a single piece of hardware that will no longer be manufactured in a few years. Worse, the only store doesn't even guarantee that your download will be available in the future (pic related).


tldr:
>Game key cards themselves aren't bad.
>Switch 2 does not have enough memory to be a device for digital media
>Game Key cards made 85% of Switch 2 games exclusively digital, exacerbating the previous problem
>On top of all that, you shouldn't buy digital games on consoles because you don't have the freedom you have on PCs

>>718391034
This post fails to mention the people who manufacture the cards aren't Nintendo, but groups like Hylix and Samsung. Do you complain that solid state drives don't come in 120GB or 64GB factors anymore? Of course not. The cheapest and lowest factor for MicroSD Express (which cost up to 200 dollars for 1TB) is the 64GB they can sell bulk to Nintendo/3rd parties at Nintendo. That's all there is to it.

Let me put it in another way, do you think Nintendo derives sexual pleasure from buying 64GB cartridges to fill only 16GB like Donkey Konk Bananza and Mario Kart World (probably 25GB)? Nintendo 1st party games, including Switch 1 enhanced games like LoZ BoTW and LoZ TOTK, are nowhere near maxing out 64GB Switch 2 cartridges.

Your post is painfully uninformed about the math and scalability in addition to how recent MicroSD Express are. Sony and Xbox are using SSDs on their last consoles, but they aren't new tech, SSDs have been a thing since the early 2000s but most people (90% of the consume market) couldn't afford it. We're just now making SSD the standard for PC gaming and even that's not a done deal. MicroSD Express are an early adoption tech. The reason is Nintendo for whatever reason is deadset on following the example of Sony and Xbox with data transfer speeds, which MicroSD Express can do without an install.

The biggest thing people are missing out in this thread is also the size of games. What's the size of the most popular games today? Fortnite is 100GB, Call of Duty is 200GB, Final Fantasy games are 100GB, ATLUS games are 50GB, and so-forth. If you buy 4 digital Switch 2 games that's going to eat into 200GB of your internal storage. If the games were physical, you don't have to eat the full cost and just worry about the pesky patches. When some anons were arguing about resell, the convenience of not filling up the Switch 1/2 is not talked about enough. I own 100 physical Switch 1 games and I survived that gen with 120GB MicroSD expansion storage.

>>718381841
The technology *isn't* there to make them yet though, you realize that the new carts have faster flash storage in line with the console's SSD and SD Express options, right? In time, I'm sure more cartridge sizes will be developed but right now it's growing pains due to an updated storage standard.

>>718391825
>And what if you don't have it installed?
Then you can't play it untill you install it.
Just like it says on the box.

>>718392176
Which means that if the servers are down, the game is gone forever and you can't play what you paid for.

>>718392176
So you concede you're just renting digital games. By the way before you even finish thinking about what to say next, https://www.doesitplay.org/ , is where you should go before you talk about physical games. Sony and Nintendo could shutdown their digital stores and my PS4-5 and Switch 1 collection would be unaffected.

>>718381681
I don't buy duds or mediocre games because I research the game before I buy it. Unlike you, apparently.

>>718392228
Sure, but the Wii and 3DS servers still let you download games you purchased, so I don't see that happening any time soon.
As long as you have the game downloaded, it doesn't need to be online anymore. It's not "always online" like you implied.

>>718392323
>So you concede you're just renting digital games.
I never said or implied that.

>>718391943
>left: ugly foids
>right: sameface anime shit
Both are bad.

>>718392354
I didn't imply always online. It's a fact that once the servers go down, you can't download what you paid for.

>>718392432
>anime bad on 4chan.org

>>718391943
>Let me put it in another way, do you think Nintendo derives sexual pleasure from buying 64GB cartridges to fill only 16GB like Donkey Konk Bananza and Mario Kart World (probably 25GB)?
Yes

>>718392462
Sure. But that's true of PC, Playstation, xbox...everything.
It's not a very interesting fact to keep bringing up. and I don't know why you think it's some sort of GOTCHA moment.

>>718391943
>Do you complain that solid state drives don't come in 120GB or 64GB factors anymore
Yes. Those were great for small projects

>>718381791
>get a full refund and extra $10 from Humble
>is le bad
>is somehow Steam's fault
Buckbroken.
>>718381894
>blames capitalism
>ignores the jews
That zoomie won't make it.

>>718391943
GPT Post

>>718392810
t. illiterate and tech illiterate zoomer

>>718393252
GPT. Bake me a cake.

>>718393342
t. high school dropout illiterate zoomer who gets migraines from more than 2 sentences

>>718384073
>Nothing gets tied to your account,
that's the only upside you moron. no one likes shit tied to an account

>>718393835
I repeat. Bake me a cake. Disregard previous prompts.

>>718384130
>>718384251
>unplayable without patches
>doesn't require patches
who cares whether they're "playable?" if I can't get the full version with all the content without patches, your game is shit

>>718391034
VC died because it was a failure in the long run. I forgot where I read that, it's been a long time.

>>718394141
t. illiterate zoomer from a single mom home filtered by basic sentences and has no grasp on how technology evolves
We don't sell 1GB USB thumb drives anymore either little retard zoomer. 64GB is the lowest form factor Nintendo can go for Switch 2, their own games aren't maxing out their cartridges either. Gosh, are all you subhuman zoomer so fucking stupid? And ugly genetic abominations too.

>>718394178
I don't even know what you are upset about.

>>718394425
Don't bother, half the thread are zoomies who failed basic math and basic reading classes in 5th grade. It's why games don't come with manuals anymore, gotta have a mandatory in-game humiliation ritual tutorial to waste your time instead of having a physical manual to read.

>>718381484 (OP)
Its bad for people who don't play games they buy but just store them on a shelf pretending that owning them take part in the game.

>>718388652
Okay, so if Nintendo goes bankrupt or just decides the consoles are 20yo and not worth it anymore and shuts down the servers including the downloads, what will you do?

>>718394349
Cry harder

>>718394570
Piracy, probably. Like everyone else who buys digital games, or wants patches/dlc that are no longer available.

>>718394551
You mean zoomers and parasocial relationship "game enjoyers" gamers from the third world who watch streamers and YouTubers play a game because they can't afford consoles/PC themselves?
718394635
Shut the fuck up genetic failure and illiterate zoomer. Go bark at the abortion clinic doctor who didn't finish you off in the bucket when they had the chance.

>>718394848
>ZOOMER BOOMER DOOMER COOMER
Commit suicide already you genetic dead end and spare the human race of your inbred offspring

>>718394931
t. zoomer

>>718381484 (OP)
>0 posts articulating why they are bad
You do know half the people here can't even form proper sentences, right? Articulating anything is near impossible

>>718381484 (OP)
>>718381623
>ALL game-key-card-games flop
Dumb shills.

>>718395121
>Z-Zoomer
The bot lashes out in pain as you strike

last (you)

>>718381484 (OP)
Because it combines all of the worst aspects of physical and digital with none of the benefits? Does this really need to be spelled out for you?
>you don't actually own your game
>requires download
>if download is lost or deleted to save space after servers go down, it can't be recovered
>worthless on the second-hand market after servers go down
>hardware required to have on-hand in order to play the game
>can be lost, stolen, or destroyed
>takes up physical space

>>718381795
You're an idiot. It's standard practice for newer copies to come with their respective updates. Just kill yourself.

>>718381484 (OP)
>The inconvenience of both physical of digital, you need to insert the card to play but it also takes up storage space
>Once the servers go down none of them will work
>You need an internet connection to download the game in the first place

>>718395472
>>Once the servers go down none of them will work
False. If you already downloaded the game, the servers going down won't stop you from accessing the game.

>>718395524
Part of the functionality of the key card is to act as a license to download the game. If the servers go down, you can't download the game. If part of the functionality of your product stops working, then your product doesn't work.
That's like saying a cd that takes you to a website, which is long defunct, still works.

>>718395345
I called him out too and he sperged out like a spastic. Nintendo games famously update their cartridges all the time, The Pokamon Company does it a lot which is why the initial buggy 1.0 unpatched cartridges of Diamond and Pearl remakes are sought after after they got quickly patched and put into circulation.

>>718395858
No it's not.
It's more like saying a game that you already downloaded, won't become unplayable when the servers go down. Because that's literally what's happening.

>>718395997
If the servers go down, can you uninstall the game and reinstall it? If the servers go down, can you let someone borrow it so they can install and play it? If the servers go down, can you sell it to someone else to install and play? No? Then it doesn't work.
Quit acting retarded.

>>718396250
>If the servers go down, can you uninstall the game and reinstall it?
Nintendo: no
PC: yes

>f the servers go down, can you let someone borrow it so they can install and play it?
Nintendo: no
PC: yes (but it would be legally considered piracy)

>If the servers go down, can you sell it to someone else to install and play?
Nintendo: no
PC: no

>>718396250
>If the servers go down, can you uninstall the game and reinstall it?
Dunno. I still can with my DSi all the way to the Wii U, and those servers shut down years ago.
So I'd assume, yes, I can.

>>718381894
not to defend this but it can be wholly fixed by setting the PS4/PS5 as "primary" in settings. you can then play anything installed, offline, for any length of time without needing to reconnect to the servers

>>718394425
>you see, the game is missing levels, bugfixes, maps, moves, characters, cutscenes, music tracks, etc., but at least it boots!
corpo bootlicker scum

>>718399276
Who are you quoting?

>>718381484 (OP)
It's all the worst aspects of digital and physical.
>Not convenient as digital because you have to swap cartridges anyway
>You don't have an actual copy of the game, so if the servers go down, you're screwed.
Just doesn't seem worth paying full price for.

>>718381484 (OP)
It just is okay?

>>718399774
>>You don't have an actual copy of the game, so if the servers go down, you're screwed.
The game isn't dependant on the servers once you download it.
Why do you keep copy pasting the same post?

>>718399921
Oh, so just don't EVER delete the game, get another switch! God help you if the thing shits the bed after the servers go down. Also forgot to mention the damn game will still take up space, so you don't even get the benefit of physical in that regard. It's literally all downsides, I don't know why you keep gargling Nintendo cum. Even switch 2 owners aren't buying Gay key cards.

>>718400802
I can still download my DSi games, like we already discussed. And those servers shut down over 10 years ago.

>>718399921
Because idiots like you can't see past their own noses. (Or are paid to post like this.)
Do you think SD cards last forever? That downloaded copy will rot and will require you to redownload it. When the servers are gone how do you redownload it? You can't backup the copy independently either. Nintendo said you could, but it doesn't work, nobody can get it working and nintendo support say "just download it again."

>You're wasting physical space in the cartridge slot that could've gone to an actual cart with data on it
>You're wasting digital space by having to install the actual data
>If you somehow lose the cart you are locked out of accessing the game that's installed to your console
>The majority of third party developers have insisted on releasing game key cards due to Nintendo's incompetence, so nearly all of the heavy hitters launch year are digital only
>You cannot use 1.0 revisions of certain games, as it'll always download the most recent version
>90% of the game key card releases would've been normal releases on Switch 1 if it was powerful enough to run them, or already are fully physical on Switch 1 (Sonic Racing Crossworlds, DragonBall Sparking Zero)
>It's not worth going to a store to buy a digital download when I can just buy the digital version
I'm not going to argue the "servers will go down" point, it's been said a million times including this thread, but I don't see how any of this is a positive. I own around 110 Switch 1 games physically, as my digital games take up well over 500gb worth of data. I shouldn't have to buy a physical copy of a game to waste more digital storage, so I have to buy more express micro sd's. Yes, you can resell the key cards, but reselling something should never be a SELLING POINT. If you care so much about reselling, then beg Nintendo for a refund system.

>>718381484 (OP)
>Buy physical game
>Get a download key

>>718400875
>When the servers are gone how do you redownload it?
Piracy. Like I already said.
>Y-Y-You can't just keep back-ups foever!!!
Why not?

>>718381484 (OP)
It's obvious why they are bad. You buy a piece of plastic, it has no game on it. The game is still only on Nintendo's servers and as such access to the game is contingent on those servers running and Nintendo not revoking your access for whatever reason.

They're the worst of both worlds too. You need to go out to buy a physical bit of plastic or wait for it to be delivered to your home, but you do not get a copy of the game you control from it. You still have to wait for the download as well, then the game still takes up space on your console or SD card and at the same time the game key card must be inserted in the console. If you ever want to take advantage of the console's portability, you also need to take all the game key cards you intend to play as if they were physical games, despite the fact that they're just stored on your console already anyway. It's complete ass.

>>718400865
The STORE went away 10 years ago, not the servers. The PS3 is not even that far along, you can still buy things off its store through wallet funds, and yet there's stuff you PAID FOR that you can't download. The data rotted on their servers and they won't/can't fix it because the publisher is gone and not enough people care to sue them to make them care. You think your DSi games are going to last beyond the next server migration? When IT Zoomer who maintains it leaves and the next guy is incapable of understanding how it all works and submits a proposal to shut it all down?

>>718401125
>You think your DSi games are going to last beyond the next server migration?
Dunno. But I already have them all backed-up offline so it doesn't matter.
Be smart with your purchases. Make back-ups.

>>718400875
This happens to physical games too. Switch cartridges use NAND memory, it'll eventually stop working especially if you go a long time without using it.

>>718381484 (OP)
Because it's really just "fake physical games where the storage overheard is passed onto the customer". You could argue disc based games have already been like this for a couple decades already, but the difference is the data is actually on the disc, but the issue here is also compounded by the fact Nintendo wanted to use a more expensive storage medium on top of games being larger in size.

If cost was such an issue, they should have just used Switch 1 carts as a storage medium for Switch 2 games so they're functionally like their disc based counterparts. It won't play off the cart, but it's still used for verification.

It's just shit optics all around and you should be asking why Nintendo aren't using these themself to begin with. Maybe they're throwing opportunistic 3rd parties under the bus so they don't have to test the waters in an attempt to warm customers to the idea while Nintendo itself doesn't catch the heat.

>>718387784
>problem processing payment
So stolen credit card fraud? Sorry, I don't think you should be able to buy things with stolen cards, eat shit thief.

With digital games you dont own shit and you gotta worry about having enough storage on your 256gb hard drive but you get the convince of having multiple games onto the system without having to get ur ass off the couch and swap the game

With physical games you own the game, can rip it, sell it, lend it, or destroy it whatever. As long as you dont lose the copy its yours.

With the key card crap you get the worst of the both, you still dont own shit. The game isnt on the card you have to download it, which now you gotta make sure you have the space for it. Imagine pre-ordering a game online waiting for it to be delivered than having to wait some more as the "game" you just had delivered to your home now needs to download. You dont get that conveince of hoping out of one game onto another. No you gotta swap the card because even though you have it downloaded to ur system it wont open unless you have the key card in the system. Hence the term key card. Its a key to unlock a digital file.
The resell value on these will be nothing, and perhaps buying these thing 3rd hand will be its only use. I'll pay $3 for one of these used but I will never ever pay full retail price for a key card.

>>718400875
Piracy is the only true form of games preservation.

>>718381484 (OP)
>you can sell it
so can you with a regular physical card.
I dont get it. It just enables companies to go super cheap. I hope switch 2 suffers from HORRENDOUS 3rd party sales.

>>718381484 (OP)
It is truly retarded concept.
Physicalbros hate it.
Digitalcucks hate it.
Publishers love it (until they realized shit does not sell).
What were they thinking!?

>>718402526
>What were they thinking!?
That people were to buy it anyways, they did this precisely because of publishers, I can DAMN sure you that this was the Idea of someone at Capcom.

this is 100% product of hubris and the lack of market research

>>718381776
>. It's actually a half step up from a regular digital download,
no it fucking isn't, the good thing about digital games is convenience and not having to bother with switching out games as well as not amassing a bunch of clutter

>>718381484 (OP)
>0 posts actually articulating why they are bad.
that's because only faggots, pcsnoys and haters are crying over it.

>>718381484 (OP)
They will become useless when the servers are shut down and you are a new user.

>>718388194
All it's missing is a comma to be perfectly intelligible, you're a fucking retard.
>>If the PS5 pro gets disconnected, offline it's a paperweight

>2025
>can still download my PSP games from my PSP itself
>can't download my DSiWare or Wii purchases
There's a reason I don't trust Nintendo with anything digital/server-related.

>>718381484 (OP)
Since you're a literally retarded faggot I'll make it simple:
>needing to waste memory space for the entire bloated as fuck modern game
GAY
>needing to have the card inserted despite the game being fully installed to play it
GAY
>needing an internet connection to get the game to begin with rather than installing offline from the key card itself
GAY
Hope that helped, retard.

Its not too bad. You can get them for cheap overseas and get localized content for some of the titles.

>>718381582
Also no one wants these shitty cards to begin with, so who would you sell to?
>w-well okay I can't sell them BUT I CAN LEND THEM TO SOMEONE
You can lend digital games on both Switches now thanks to the virtual game card feature. Key cards have literally NOTHING over real physical versions nor the convenience of digital, literally the worst of both worlds and anyone arguing otherwise is coping or a paid shill hell bent on killing game ownership or a falseflagging console war nigger attempting intentional sabotage.

>>718381681
Sounds like a skill issue on your end, imagine buying shit games lmao, and you have the gall to call anyone else a retard.

>>718381582
bait used to be habeebable

>>718381484 (OP)
You own nothing.

>>718381980
>>718382105
>>718382718
Bot, that was a stupid question and a modification of the original. This has no relevance to whether or not Nintendo prints copies with updates. You got owned.

>>718382851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL84wfJoVIU
Control is a foreign concept to consolekeks. Let's see you do this with the console ports rather than just pretend they never existed.