Thread 718390083

Why haven't you learned Japanese to play jap games??

I have

>>718390142
I don't know any Japanese and I still got this meme. The text is unnecessary.

>>718390083 (OP)
Japanese is hard
Most games are shit

>>718390083 (OP)
dunno how to start

>>718390083 (OP)
I've learnt enough to play them and then I realized it's not worth it because Jap writing isn't very good in the first place so it doesn't matter if it gets butchered in translation

>>718390374
Drill the kanas into your head
Then learn like any other language with constant repetition
Learning Kanji by itself is optional cause you'll learn them by learning the words
Also learn how to speak it
It's not terrible difficult unless you wanna do the pitch accent bullshit but you don't have to

>>718390083 (OP)
I really should. But I have no clue where to start.

don't want to grind looking at runes until i can decipher them in real time.
just being able to understand spoken dialogue and speak would be enough for me but i don't think there are any resources for just that.

>>718390083 (OP)
Transform the moonrunes into readable human letters and it's easy.

>>718390579
learn kana and start simple kanji

>>718390083 (OP)
I am just not the right flavor of autistic for this.

>>718390083 (OP)
>pe ro pe ro
>shi na i de
>ku da sa i
Dunno what that means thoughever.

Because learning it involves learning chinese alphabet alongside as japs were too dumb to come with letters that fit their language like the koreans

>>718390083 (OP)
Not every game has furigana, i have seen japanese streamer struggeling with kanjis ingame.

I learned hiragana and katakana (sometimes mistake ke ge etc) years ago and I started learning kanji when I was traveling for my studies but now I don't travel anymore so I stopped.

My problem is I don't consume much Japanese media, I very rarely watch anime, I only play a few H games most of the time they get translated or I can translate them with mtool.

I don't plan on ever going to Japan for fun or for work so I don't see any reason to finish learning japanese

インターネット閉鎖に備えて 一旦差し置きました

kanji is retarded

>>718390701
hi fangame player

>>718390083 (OP)
Signing up for n2 today. Any advice?

>>718390083 (OP)
I'm not a nerd

>>718390083 (OP)
仕方がない

>>718391383
its true but still trying to learn it

アズちゃんのかわいい足を舐めなくちゃ...!

What games in nip are even worth playing?

>>718390083 (OP)
not worth the effort

>>718390083 (OP)
But I have

>>718390083 (OP)
i am learning japanese, however i'ts very slow since i have no time so i mainly use my phone and anki, and then try to immersy by trying to read manga and watch some stuff occasionally
i player Witch Spring R with jap audio and it's a pretty comfy game
i have terrible memory so learning a language is pretty much a super high difficulty thing for me

>>718390716
Don't lick

>>718390798
There's literally letters like that in their language. Koreans just became to dumb to use hanja.

also, does anyone have any kanji/words writing android app recommendations? what i tried:
ringotan - pretty good, but i don't like word definition choice, there's no kana digraphs and diactrics, and no compounds, also it seems that it's been abandoned
kanji study - it's okay but kinda costs a fair bit
renshuu - it's okay for words but writing is nonexistent as far as i'm concerned, unless i missed something
skritter - actually pretty great, but no way i'm gonna pay 20 fucking dollars a month

There are just so many words, I know like 2000 words but there's still somehow a word I don't know in every sentence

I did years ago, every day I enjoy it. Crazy that it's almost been 10 years since I stopped being a lazy piece of shit and started learning.

>>718390083 (OP)
What the fuck is "gorogoro"

>>718392362
These are all retarded, use anki.

>>718392452
2000 words is 序の口. 20k is the minimum you need, obviously 10% of that isn't going to carry you through a whole sentence.

>>718390083 (OP)
Fuck Kanji, that's the great filter. And fuck Chinese hieroglyphics and stupid retarded japanese for copying them instead of creating new words.

>>718392673
i already do use anki anon

>>718391383
It's literally just vocab. Once you know a word, learning its kanji is easy (and vice versa).
Plus, each kanji typically has its own sound and meaning, so it becomes easier as you go. Most kanji are compound words, much like the English "roadblock," "highway," "homework," and so on.

>>718392362
Just read and listen. When you hear a word being used, it's easier to remember it when written. Reading will also test your recall as is because you want to figure out the story, not just the individual sentence.

>>718392661
usually onomatopoeia describing the state of rolling and/or lounging around
but it can also represent rumbling, purring, low thundering, or something heavy moving or rolling
apparently also gunk in one's eye or an upset stomach or the cause

>>718392661
Rolling around or lazing around.

>>718392991
i do try to read when i can anon, thanks. i just like writing the characters for sport, i think it's pretty relaxing. i treat it like a video game of sorts
now that i think about it, are there any video games about writing/recognizing kanji?

>>718390142
What's the name for this Japanese clipart? See it everywhere but don't know its name or if it's a collection...etc.

>>718392362
Seconding this question as well. An Android writing practice app sounds neat.

>>718392362
Back in my days we used a pirated PDF of RTK1, Anki and a physical notebook.

>>718390083 (OP)
Maybe if there was a fun way of doing it, Though i think i'd have to be interested in more than just being able to play games or watch stuff in japanese if i was to learn it. Everyone makes it sound miserable to learn but i think thats how it is when learning most things.

rasubosu of nippongonese:

onomatopoeia
names
the ni particle

>>718393202
https://www.irasutoya.com/?m=1

>>718390083 (OP)
I didn't run out of non-jap games yet.

>>718390083 (OP)
>peropero
>renaride
>kudasari
idgi

>>718393616
back to the basics my tomogaki

>>718390083 (OP)
昔は死ぬ気で勉強してたんだけど最近やる気がなくて自分の日本語力がだんだん下がっている気がする。
抗うつの所為かな

>>718393616
nooo you messed up on the second and third lines

>>718393341
Fascinating.

>>718391905
the jp games you've already played and loved so you can see the lost nuances.

>>718390083 (OP)
i did doe

>>718393290
All language learning gets fun when you can read. Japanese only differs from other languages in that it pre-loads a lot of the words due to kanji, so you have to learn vocab before you start reading.

>>718390083 (OP)
ペロペロしたい

>>718390083 (OP)
I did 9 years ago. I live here in Japan now. Best decision I ever made desu senpai.

>>718393997
here *unzips pants*

>>718394010
do you work there or are you rich and don't have to? I believe you if you answer the latter

>>718393687
薬

>>718394010
>desu senpai.
wait the filter is gone?

>>718393290
It does have some amount of initial grind involved, though that's true of learning any new language. Ultimately however it's just first memorizing hiragana and katakana (a few week ordeal at most), then picking up a grammar book (such as Tae Kim), some beginner vocab Anki decks like Core series, while starting to slowly grind kanji with RTK1 / Kanjidamage+ / whatever method works best for you (preferably as early as possible but at a pace that's comfortable for you personally). After you feel comfortable enough with the basics, just pick any untranslated media you're interested in and start consooming. Use dictionary software and browser add-ons to help yourself read, and add new stuff you come across to your personal vocabulary / kanji deck.

Rinse and repeat until you have enough language knowledge under your belt and can slowly phase out any learning materials and software crutches.

>>718394095
I work procurement at a heavy industry corporation.

>>718390083 (OP)
I am but it is way harder than i thought so I had to get into Japanese classes.

>>718394153
>I work
then I do not believe

>>718392362
>>718393234
kanji dojo and nihonoari but id recommend just sticking with anki + immersion

>>718394113
What do you mean? Those words are the filter baka desu senpai

>>718394101
「薬」を付けないといけないの?知らなかった

>>718394232
Okay.

>>718394159
>Japanese classes.
Enjoy wasting years and learning nothing of value.

>>718393687
>抗うつの所為かな
this line is all chinpunkanpun to me

>>718390083 (OP)
I remember when Azusa was /v/'s official gf. How long ago that was...

>>718394550
it has been alright so far. Probably will stick to it until I am comfortable enough to do it by myself.

>>718394559
抗うつ薬 antidepressant
xの所為 because of x, x's fault

>>718394685
You will never feel comfortable, because the goal of classes is to put you into a state of learned helplessness.

>>718390083 (OP)
it sounds cringe, hard to learn and Japan is dying out(and that's a good thing)

>>718394846
shit, I guess ill have to stick to it to the end then.

>go to website about learning Japanese
>first step is to install Linux

>>718394559
This is because you're talking to a tranny who uses fucking うつ and 所為. Holy shit, I've never seen someone this mentally ill before, in any sane mind you would use 鬱 and せい.

>>718390083 (OP)
What's the point when soon we can rely on AIs to translate any games?

>>718395129
Just two more weeks guys!!!11!

>>718394908
Again, the problem there is that you'll get to the end and you'll have a good grasp of romaji and be halfway through Genki 3.

You don't know what these things mean, so I'll just tell you, it means you will be functionally retarded and incapable of reading a single sentence.

>>718395129
AI has proven to just be MTLs except they skip the part where an EOP (or Russian) makes the MTL sound “natural”.

>>718394550
>>718394685
Classes can be very useful if you also want to practice your speaking and writing skills. Years ago before I went to uni, I self-studied and cleared N1 on my own but was absolute shit at producing anything in Japanese until I actually enrolled on some courses, and was forced to interact with people while having someone better than me correcting my mistakes.

Worst thing about many classes in my opinion (having both participated as a student and taught them) is that most common workbooks and course programmes tend to start teaching grammar in a fickity fuckity retarded order with polite desu-masu register, while having the students memorize basic common phrases without teaching the underlying structures until much later on. Many courses also postpone kana and especially kanji, when in truth you should ditch romaji and start grinding the former ASAP, and the latter too at a slower but consistent pace. I try to encourage my own students to use other sources in addition to the official course materials, and add optional extra slides that actually explain how shit works.

おい、ホモ野郎ども、
俺の名前はジョン。お前ら全員大嫌いだ。お前ら全員、デブで、バカで、人生にうんざりして、一日中くだらないケツ写真を見て過ごしてる。お前らはこの世の悪いもの全てだ。正直、お前らのうち、女とヤったことある奴はいないのか? まぁ、自分の自信のなさをネタに人をからかうのは楽しいんだろうけど、お前らはもっとレベルが上だ。これはFacebookで写真を見てオナニーするよりもひどい。
知らない人ぶらないで。全力で俺を殴ってくれ。俺はほぼ完璧だ。フットボールチームのキャプテンで、バスケットボールチームではスターターだった。お前らは「裸の日本人の絵を見てオナニーする」以外にどんなスポーツをやってるんだ? 成績もオールAだし、最高にイケてる彼女もいる(彼女は俺をフェラったばかりだ。最高にイカれてた)。お前ら全員、自殺すべきホモ野郎だ。聞いてくれてありがとう。
関連画像:俺と俺のビッチ

>>718390083 (OP)
I know people will think I am making shit up, but I am about to finish JLPT2 (at my pace in about 2 weeks) in just under 120 hours of dedicated study.
Pic related are my Anki stats, so you see can see I am not making shit up, if you're curious what deck I am using, it's WaniKani's.
Truth is, I can no read fine, and I understand the general idea of spoken conversations, but I am still lacking in comprehension and speaking.

>>718390083 (OP)
i dont enjoy learning languages, but i do love reading romcom manga.
my cope is AI will perfectly translate any day now

anyone have that "you can't fuck me" version of lingualift/dekinai chan?

>>718395589
damn ancient fag level meme

>>718390374
>>718390579
I just started a few weeks ago and so far for drilling kanna and learning basic grammar duolingo combined with an educational RPG on steam called "Hiragana Forbidden Speech". Those made it pretty darn approachable to start learning. Hand-writing the glyphs is also really helpful. My plan once I have hiragana/katakana thoroughly memorized is to start using anki and whatever other resources I can find to start grinding vocabulary and kanji.

what's a good anki deck?

LEARN JAPANESE WITH VIDEOGAMMES

Start with Learn Japanese to Survive! Hiragana Battle

then do Learn Japanese to Survive! Katakana War

then finish it with Learn Japanese to Survive! Kanji Combat

after that, do the Kaishi 1.5k vocab deck, complete Tae Kim Grammar Guide, and start mining japanese

OR you can do the textbook route. Genki 1 > Genki 2 > Tobira

>>718396097
Just do core2k then mine your own deck from whatever you're reading.

>>718393616
>renaride
shinaide, re is れ
>kudasari
kudasai, you mixed your い up with り

Write down that alphabet every day until you don't even have to think about it when you see a character.

>>718396097
>what's a good anki deck?

Kaishi 1.5k is all the rage right now in djt

>>718394046
ちっせぇwww

>>718390083 (OP)
I'm on a younger side than many of you
As an even younger lad I've had a period of strong obsession over a single piece of Japanese media, which eventually led me to enrolling into an oriental studies course in my college
I probably could've learned the language on my own, and for I a while that's what I've been doing, but at some point I decided that learning it in college would be the best option
To this very day I still have second thoughts and fear that turning my hobby into my future profession occupation was not the right move
Probably going to try to pass N2 this winter, wish me luck

>>718396116
Nobody cares, Chat GPT can translate porn games for you. Japan is a dying country anyway, there are few languages worth learning besides English like Chinkanese, Russoid and Germ since they are either used in tech or engineering.

>>718396186
>Kaishi 1.5k
Isn't that for braindead retards?

>>718395709
>>718396431
why not just go straight to n1? they're about the same level anyway

>>718396546
>Isn't that for braindead retards?

Kaishi 1.5k is the official reccomendation for /djt/ beginners. Both the discord and the /jp/ djt grammar guide suggest it.

It's not an easy deck.

>>718396097
- Beginner vocabulary: Core 2000 (and other Core series decks). If you happen to download a version with stock images, remove them, as those take attention away from the text.
- Kanji: Kanjidamage Plus+, RTK1 or whatever deck that corresponds to the kanji learning resource you're using.

And most importantly there's your own custom deck you create from the media you've consumed. If you have shit like ITH output, light novels, websites or any Japanese text in machine readable format, it shouldn't take too much time to create your own vocab cards. Don't know how shit works nowadays but there used to be an add-on called Yomichan that'd streamline the process a bit.

>>718396570
Well, I don't know a single JLPT1 kanji, so there is that, I have been learning Japanese on my own, with no outside references, just an Anki deck and random YouTube videos of actual Japanese being spoken, doesn't really matter the topic, I just listen, and try to understand what they are talking about.

>was gung ho on learning back in like 2010
>gave up almost immediately
>going on 34 now lamenting how I've wasted all these years
>eyes going to shit now anyway
JUST

>>718390083 (OP)
>learning dead language
It's not early 2000s anyway, English dubs are almost always better than jap these days.

Complete brainlet here. What is a "deck" in this context?

>>718396570
It has double the kanji and I'm still not comfortable with N2 vocab and grammar, plus my listening is quite poor too

>>718396928
>English dubs
NGMI, there was a time when I liked French dubs, because I didn't understand English, now I just see them as bastardization of the original product, same goes with English dubs of Japanese products, languages are just different, words do not necessarily convey the same ideas and contexts, so if you want to enjoy media, it's better to enjoy it in its pure form.

>>718397038
deck for digital flashcards using a software called anki

>>718397038
In Anki, you have decks of terms used for spaced repetition
You can either download a premade one or gradually create your own

>>718396905
I first tried 20 years ago with shitty physical flashcards, gave up for a decade, then gave it another go and now I'm fluent.

Sure, starting in your mid 30s sucks, I started in my mid 20s and that sucked too. But the alternative is spending the rest of your life waiting for trannylations. Unless you're planning on dying before you hit 50, it's still a good idea to learn.

>>718396527
>everything I do and learn must serve a utilitarian purpose
Gotta suck to be you man. I'll keep doing things because they are interesting and enjoyable, thanks.

>>718390083 (OP)
I don't need to read to play a game though. I can just press buttons until it works.

Did anyone ITT pass this summer's JLPT? What was your level and experience?

>>718396905
I started at 31, I'm not even a weeb (cope), I don't watch animu, and I have no particular interest in Japanese games, I literally woke up one day, and the first idea in my head was "I'm gonna learn Japanese", and that was that, as I said earlier, 27k Anki reviews later, I am about to finish JLPT2.

>>718397258
Only retards take the JLPT.

>>718397419
What content DO you consume, then? I'm diversifying and reading Kokoro at the moment, it's an extremely palpable read and I probably could've understood it even at N3

>>718397427
Why?

>>718390083 (OP)
>ペロペロしないでください
>Please do not peropero (onomatopoeia for licking or blowing a raspberry)
I'm not too sure on the onomatopoeia, I'm sure berobero is sticking tongue out like Kogasa's "berobero ba!"
I swear I can learn Japanese easy because I'm not an EOP, but I don't watch anime (not interested) and don't have any irl practical utility for it. The only usage would be translating hentai doujins or Touhou material, none of which drive me enough to learn it fully (enough to be able to do N5 or N4 but we know those are worthless).

>>718397427
This retard wants his potential employers to know his Japanese skill level

>>718392661
>go

>>718397559
Because the only reason you'd need a qualification is if you wanted a job.

>>718397584
Case in point.

>>718397419
>27k Anki reviews
Cards or reviews? 27k reviews seems like nothing even if you were specifically only grinding JLPT-related content.

>>718390083 (OP)
I have a hard enough time memorizing vocabulary in general but to add hiragana katakana and kanji to the mix feels like a struggle so I started on korean instead

>>718395709
How do you finish 9k cards in 2 weeks

>>718397579
>irl practical utility for it
believe me this is the deciding factor on whever or not someone can make it

>>718397427
N1 is useful if you want to work in Japan, go on a student exchange or move there. I think some unis also accept N2 level, though last I checked was ages ago. Lower levels are pretty useless aside from wanting to test your current skill level for its own sake. None of the levels really test language production skills either.

>>718397785
>N1 is useful if you want to work in Japan, go on a student exchange or move there.
All of these groups fit neatly into the "retard" label.

>>718397785
N2 is the bottom level for most exchange programs, they highly favor N1 and above
t. Applied to one earlier this year

>>718397707
>606K
That's very impressive, but you have been going at it for 6 years, I have been learning Japanese seriously for 7 months.
>>718397725
What? No, I have to finish about 700 to finish JLPT2, the rest is entirely JLPT1.

>>718397830
As opposed to never even visiting the country you're obsessed with even as a tourist?

>>718396905
just do it, I started earlier this year, at a young age decade+ ago you wouldn't have the motivation to keep going anyway now you probably do
do a bit every day and in 2 or 3 years you'll be on your way to playing jap vidya

>>718397945
Since when do you need N1 for a fucking holiday, dude?

>>718397720
Learning hiragana and katakana is much easier than you think.

一年ぐらい日本に住んでたんだけどまだまだ初心者くせに。。。

>>718395709
>120 hours of dedicated study
120 hours of Anki, what else on the side tho

>>718398010
So you're simply opposed to learning Japanese above N2?

I want to learn japanese well enough to watch batsu games without needing subtitles

>>718397926
I just checked, and it looks like i did 44K reviews, not 27K

Jap games are too generic and why bother learning a dying language?

>>718398175
I don't know why you think you have to learn from a JLPT guide to learn Japanese, man.

>>718398178
You know they haven't done those for a few years, and Matsumoto is currently banned from TV?

>>718396431
Take your time but keep at it and you will become fluent! :3

>>718398263
Yeah.... I like rewatching the old ones. What did Matsumoto get banned for? I remember there was a big issue with blackface that happened

>>718398263
What other metric should I use so you won't sperg out?

>>718398336
Japs don't care about blackface, that's a burger-only issue. He got banned because he got exposed by a tabloid rag for having sex with groupies and then said he'd sue them for it instead of taking the usual little bitch way out of holding a press conference and crying about it.

>>718390083 (OP)
I know enough that I can barely half understand some untranslated dialogue at normal speed and barely half understand text that I have to read at my own pace.
But I will never know enough japanese to consume any media raw.

>>718398478
Not with that attitude

>>718398459
What do you not get? I think JLPT is a waste of time because you would have to be a retard to want to live in Japan, or work with the Japanese. You want to learn Japanese as a hobby? Cool, it's a lot of fun.

Yeah kanji can be hard but the worst part is when you get to the mass of kana at the end of the sentence

>>718398556
Anon I'll be 30 in 4 months, theres no learning new languages anymore.

I'm currently reading Katawa Shoujo in Japanese and some parts are seriously kicking my ass, I have to spend a lot of time with textractor trying to make sense of what's going on

>>718398462
wtf
based

>>718398587
How can one rate their Japanese skill level without resorting to JLPT?

>>718398462
amazing

>>718398667
That is fine, you will come out stronger by the end of it. I think you have to read challenging stuff to actually learn, reading books that are below your level will teach you nothing.

>>718398667
I can only imagine a VN about disability would have some complex worts.

>>718398718
>>718398814
Well, it torpedoed his career and cost him a shitload of money. I'm still waiting for the downtown youtube channel to start.

>>718398737
The same way people rate their skill level past the comically low barrier of N1. You try and read something, if you don't understand it, you're a retard. If you can understand it, congrats, it's below your skill level!

>>718395572
yeah that is kind of why i enrolled in classes. however i do private ones with only me and the teacher.

>>718398817
True that

>>718398587
Actually it's so dumb it's smart. If your job is done in English it will eventually be jeeted, corporate jeetism and all that. Jap on the other hand, most jeets won't bother to learn it so you have more job security.

>>718398651
Neuro plasticity is a meme and not real

My wife is Japanese and fall down

>>718396097
the one you make yourself

I open anki and do 50 cards every 3 months.

We're all gonna make it.

>>718399039
i close anki and read whatever strikes my fancy

>>718390083 (OP)
Been learning for like a year now. Keeping steady.

>>718399239
I can't slow and steady anything because I have a job that takes up the parts of my day where I'm supposed to repeat things.

>>718390579
I no life self studied Japanese for 3 years, let me tell you this. Yeah you can learn a lot and be able to read a lot of things, but it absolutely is shit being unable to listen, understand or speak to anyone in japanese. If I had to do it all over again, I'd find a native japanese speaker and talk with them everyday. You need someone correcting you so you can learn from your mistakes. I still remember the IRL corrections I had trying to talk with Japanese people but I couldn't tell you a single one of my 3000 anki cards I had.

>>718398667
>I'm currently reading Katawa Shoujo in Japanese
What's next, Mass Effect in Japanese?

>>718399493
Vidya has voiceovers, you know. So it's just the speaking part that's utter incompetence.

>>718399549
Not a bad idea

>most beautiful girls in the world
>Fall madly in love with white losers
>Only people on earth that do not speak and can not learn white man's language
Why is God cruel like this?

>>718390083 (OP)
if anyone here were going to do anything productive, they'd have done it ten years ago
don't make me tap the sign

>>718394113
you brainfarted šмh тbh fäm

>>718399715
You are a sick fuck. I'm replaying Valkyria Chronicles 3, it's been like 5 years.

>>718399778
But I did do it 10 years ago.

>>718398993
Lmao, there are more jeets in Japan than you think and there SEA monkeys. The wage in Japan is also fucking trash you need to be retarded to move from the US or anywhere in EU to work there.

>>718399493
Watch Japanese tubers

>>718399881
>167k reviews over 10 years
so you've learned like 5000 words?

>>718399654
true, but also, who's validating what you think you heard is correct?

>>718400058
2000, hence the name of the image, you big retard.

>>718397707
Why is it not decreasing? I struggle to find new words worth adding after 700 days of studying...

>>718399909
I'm from canada (white)

>>718400067
Subtitles:)

>>718400157
why are you still reviewing core2k almost 10 years later?

I stopped doing anki after one year or so.
Now I just simplt hoover over subs and read manga with furigana instead of my souls being sucked repeating flashcards for an hour or so each day instead of just immersing the language.
Thanks for reading my blog.

>>718400214
You are better off migrating to the US moron. White men are incompatible with bug society.

old fag here

How many new cards and cards a day should I have for my decks?

>>718400158
Haven't had that problem. In fact I often don't bother to make flashcards for new words if the word is too uncommon (highter than around 60k in JPDB ranking), so if my my rate of new cards ever slows down too much then I'll just start making cards for those as well.

>>718400231
as you learn more, you notice that subtitles are never a direct 1:1

>>718400302
Because it takes me about 5 seconds a day? This post took me longer to write than the reps for that deck took today.

>>718400575
You are insane. Even in long ass VNs there are no typos. You can only very rarely catch a wrong kanji because muh typing.

>>718400638
seems to me like you're wasting your time and not learning anything useful

>>718400574
Why bother adding a new word if the meaning and reading is obvious from kanji? With so many cards you probably know more kanji than avarage japanese.

>>718400574
>In fact I often don't bother to make flashcards for new words if the word is too uncommon
That makes no sense. The common words are the ones that are everywhere so they require less dedicated study, not more.

>>718398081
sure but like I said add kanji on top of those two and my already troublesome vocab memorization runs into issues
I blame the several concussions I've had

>>718400518
Depends on your autism, how much time you have to spend and your current skill level. I can't recall how many cards I did for kanji and vocab decks when I started out with Anki, but you want to avoid a situation where you speed through too many new cards in a few days and then get hit with a soul crushing number of repeat cards and start feeling like it's all too overwhelming. Try to keep it a manageable pace where you're able to do both repeats and get through some new cards every day.

I got my hiragana and katakana down pat but kanji and grammar overall is kicking my ass. Doesn't help that the older I get, the more I feel like I'll never make it. I wish I had bucked down back when I said I would in high school.

>>718400758
Again, I'm really missing those 5 seconds.

If you want to stop doing anki, go for it man. I don't see a reason to stop the habit personally.

>>718390083 (OP)
why don't the Japanese learn English and make English games instead.

>>718401042
because English is not that good

>>718399730
this is next level giga cope holy shit

>>718400872
>sure but like I said add kanji on top of those two and my already troublesome vocab memorization runs into issues
You're doing it wrong. Memorizing vocab without Kanji would be a nightmare. Also it's not "on top of" hiragana and katakana. You can memorize kana in like a day. Then you use the kana to learn the kanji and vocab at the same time.

How the fuck are you even studying vocab without kana or kanji? That doesn't make any sense.

midwits hyperfocus on numbers like reviews per second, time to make flashcards. They fail to realize that flashcards are poor and unnatural ways to encode and recall info. What do you think activates your neurons more, a clip from your favourite vidya or a banner of text with the word "orange" plastered next to it. It might take 30 seconds to make the card but I'd rather have my card have me recall 10 things than 1 in a sanitized boring 'grind' app

>>718401326
I feel like a complete dekinai because I think that the text says that Onii-chan peed on Nanako's panties and this clearly cannot be the case, can it?

>>718399730
just learn russian bro

>>718401509
Bкycный тoвapищ инcтитyт инcтpyмeнт

>>718396116
Based Nora
how's the lawsuit going?

Post how your card looks. Surely you don’t mine something without pics/sounds and forget where the fuck you got it from after a few days, right?

>>718396116
>Tae Kim Grammar Guide
I'm probably just retarded, but I swear that didn't help me in the slightest.

>>718401326
And here come the retards coming in to pretend that flashcards are this strange new invention with no history of being an effective study tool, and as usual their entire argument is
>Anki exists so therefore if anyone uses Anki, it means that's the only resource they're using

>>718401268
I'm saying I have trouble with vocab, so learning and differentiating 2 alphabets + sometimes complicated kanji already intensifies my hardships with learning a language whereas something like korean or english or spanish which has a single alphabet and their words while simpler is still a struggle
>you can learn it in a day
lol. I can remember a shit load of math but language is not something that clicks with me so no I couldn't just learn it in a day

>>718390083 (OP)
I've been at it for a while. It's pretty fun.

>>718401724
I tried taking screenshots for a while but it was too much work because most of what I mine is from console games on original hardware.

>>718399017
Oh no

>>718401724
only sounds from whatever i used to mine the phrase from
why do you need all those distractions

>>718401805
Imabi is leagues above Tae Kim

>>718390083 (OP)
because even if I were to spend years learning enough to be able to literally translate what I'm reading I would still lack the cultural context to understand what the text is supposed to convey.
Japanese is a high-context language with very low literal specificity.

>>718401724
I just use japReader.

>>718401724
Is this something you've made or can it be downloaded anywhere?

>>718402040
what an ugly looking word

>>718401805
>Here's the 40 kanji you'll need for this lesson
>And the 40 vocab words derived from them
>3 examples in contextual isolation, 2 exercises, okay next lesson
It's kind of shitty. It was just one of the first free options so it kind of solidified itself as a mainstay.

>>718402109
It's one of those Chinese compounds where they have to include two characters with the same radical to prolong the pronunciation

>>718402087
>Is this something you've made or can it be downloaded anywhere?
it's very easy to do
https://lazyguidejp.github.io/jp-lazy-guide/

>>718390083 (OP)
Why don't the Japanese learn English to make games in my language?

>>718402519
because shitglish is a shit and boring language

>>718402519
>can neither understand two languages nor make a game and asks why don't people do both

>>718390083 (OP)
It has a fucked up writing system.
Fuck Japanese.
I tried to learn it but it was too much.
Meanwhile I have learned other languages in a fraction of time I spent on Japanese.
I'm convinced that even Mandarin is miles easier due to it having a writing system that actually makes sense.

>>718390083 (OP)
>implying I still play games
Gotta love slaving away 60 hrs/week for min. wage haha...

>>718390579
learn kana and how they sound then
read and listen and look up all the words/grammar you dont understand for 2000 hours

Tae Kim is so bad it's funny. Look at the description for the が marker.
Thankfully we have much better resources at our disposal
https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2019/07/wa-vs-ga.html

>>718401805
>>718402201
It's useful when you consider it as one resource among the many you'll use. It helped me with some of the basic grammar.
>Here's the 40 kanji you'll need for this lesson
>And the 40 vocab words derived from them
I mean it's a grammar guide. Not a vocab, kanji, or an overall Japanese guide. You're not supposed to be just learning those 40 words and kanji once you get to the lesson. You should be picking up vocab and Kanji already, and using that list when the lesson uses a word or two that you haven't learned yet.

>>718402589
>>718402718
I'm the one paying, why should I learn another language

>>718390083 (OP)
I really want to but every single time i try to follow the basic "just immerse bro" advice with games i like, i immediately lose all motivation cause its nothing but word after word i dont know, and even when i do know them i cant comprehend shit half the time and its so frustrating. but i dont know how else to learn besides throwing myself into the deep end and looking up literally everything, which sucks so much

>>718390083 (OP)
Because kanji is retarded.
>Nooooooo! You can't just memorize the phonetic sounds of your 26 character alphabet to make words! That's too easy! You have to memorize all 50,000 kanji and their retarded combinations to read our goofy barely moving our tongue and not opening our mouth (because doing so would be too impolite) language! リいいいいいいいいい!!!!!
Fuck Japanese, fuck Japan, and fuck Japanese games.

>>718403730
The game is made by Japanese people first and foremost, not for you. Whether you want to pay or not is irrelevant, since you’re not even on the radar in the first place.

>>718403862
This, but I'm keeping on. Been almost 2 years. Can barely fucking read.

>>718403862
>>718403994
play a game that has english/jap switch or use AI to convert the text to English before you look at the Japanese text every time. Learn basic kana first, when you look at the text look for interesting stuff. You might notice senpai or kouhai or wagahai. Notice stuff using the understanding you get from the translation and build out your understanding of new stuff slowly. Record your game with clips when you want to just progress and don't have time to stop for something interesting. Review the clips from time to time

僕はセックス大好き
いつもセックス毎日やりたいセックス
チンポマンコに入れたいな
ああ、気持ちな入れたい
鼻血がでるほどいい
マンコが気持ち
ぬるぬるしていい
BINGBINGもしもしSEXPLEASE
僕はセックス大好き
チンポが固い
AI RABU SEKKUSU
AI RABU YUU
でもやっぱりマンコが一番ぬるぬる
毎日入れたいな
尻の穴にも入れたいかもしれないな
>>718400492
素晴らしいですねええええええ ^_^;;

>>718403862
>>718403994
Read more, retards.

>>718390083 (OP)
Because some guy on jewtube told me that I should focus on one hobby at a time or I'll burn out.

>>718404372
Hell, I can barely focus on one before I burn out.

>>718390083 (OP)
I already did

>>718393903
leaving this hospital isn't allowed?

>>718403862
You're supposed to be adding new words to anki. Use AI to break down and explain sentences you can't comprehend.

>>718390142
>not wanting to be the boy banging the girl
My motives are beyond the comprehension of the Japanese.

>>718403862
Whitenoising isn't going to do shit for you, stick to material that's slightly harder than your current reading level.
If you're at ground zero then yeah grind some vocab and learn basic grammar. You don't just hand a 6 year old War and Peace and expect they'll know it if they just read it enough times when they can't even write their name, they need to be able to read it first.

>>718403912
Even Japtard can't even read kanji most of the time, it's hilarious how retarded their language is.

That sign can't stop me because I can't read!

>>718404757
>source: american tiktok video

>>718404757
Where'd you get that? They can read it just fine. Writing it is another issue, and that's more that nobody handwrites these days.

>>718404552
>moege
kindergarten japanese is not japanese

>>718403862
baby shit, nigga. read motherfucking momotaru or kaguya hime, shit like that. read shounen jump type shit. don't tell me you couldn't read bleach or dragonball if you wanted to. don't get caught up in feelings of
>I suck at this I should just stop
or whatever other psychological hangups you have. just do it, even if you make mistakes. nobody expects you to do anything, and if you don't enjoy it then don't do it. you have to want it.

>>718402589
shakespeare doe

>>718401724
>>718402245
Who meme'd you into learning japanese with fucking sakura no uta?

>>718403862
Anon, I'll let you in on a little secret about all those
>Bro fuck any sort of studying only retards use Anki or read grammar rules. I passed N1 and got a japanese wife and job just by watching Naruto for a few weeks
fag: They're lying.

Yeah, consume Japanese while you're studying but be realistic. First and foremost: in the beginning you're not worried about understanding everything. Understanding ANYTHING is a victory. Get comfortable with not understanding a lot. Focus on what parts you do understand. You'll revisit it one day and it will feel amazing how much more you understand than the first time.

Start with some easier shit like よつばと, ちびまる子ちゃん、しろくまカフェ, News Web Easy, or any podcasts aimed at learners (there are tons). You can challenge yourself with harder stuff and things that are more interesting, but don't go expecting to just absorbing the language and understanding everything like it's your native language when you play your favorite game in the original Japanese.
>>718404757
This isn't true. Japanese people love them some kanji. You either got that from a retarded youtube/tiktok video, or you believed a Japanese person trying to be nice with their go-to consolation of "Don't worry, even a lot of Japanese people are bad at [x]."

>>718404903
https://files.catbox.moe/zn00c7.jpg
lol

>>718405130
podcast recs after i got tired of yuyuno?

>>718405004
>scaji is so fucking hard to read omg! look at these random philosophy quotes and futa H-scenes!
retard

>>718404939
>>I suck at this I should just stop
Literally me but with drawing.

animelon used to be a good resource but I think it's dead. anyone got any alternatives?

>>718402718
Anon, shouldn't have to say this, but in the US the average amount of languages spoken is less than 1, meaning there's people who don't even know english, and looking at current gaymen industry I'd wager they don't know how to make games either, and these niggas are literally expecting a foreign country to learn their language which they don't speak?

>>718405456
Drawing by reference is much easier than memorize few thousands words and dozens of grammar arbitrary rules.

>>718405456
well, unlike AI translation, AI art generation is better than 95% of artists, so that's understandable

>>718405217
https://youtu.be/S8SiHRpCKUk?si=6Mq1O5GUzpVygvUn
https://youtu.be/SYxHQ-QpFzI?si=QlTe4D8OSiUdIy75
https://youtu.be/vkeXxT4La3s?si=Gsi1NjhD1nxaeuc8
Here's a few I listen to on top yo Yuyu. You probably know Nihongo Con Teppei, but I'll throw him in anyways for anyone who doesn't know. He's great because he uploads tons of content at varying levels of difficulty. I started with his easier stuff and now I mainly listen to 波 and Conversations with Noriko.

Not a podcast, but Comprehensible Japanese is a pretty great channel. They were more geared toward more beginner-level stuff, but looks like they've been expanding to have a lot more intermediate stuff too. Might be a little basic for you if you're listening to Yuyu.
https://www.youtube.com/@cijapanese/videos
https://youtu.be/mJ4ox-xPjPQ?si=lblLv0fm36l0c7S0

>>718405735
Animebook and torrented shows/movies with JP subtitles from kitsunekko

I hate fucking with subtitles so I just pay for Japanese Netflix since most stuff has subtitles on there.

>>718406023
Oh, one more that's not a podcast but is still good is 日本語の森. They have a website and sell textbooks and stuff, but there's a lot of free content on their youtube. Anything N3 or above is all in Japanese so it's good for studying.

>>718406081
>>718406081
craaaazy asians in black face are hotter than black women

>>718406023
>Nihongo Con Teppei
>Con
Why?

>>718406191
Race isn't skin deep

>>718406247
I think the dude just likes language learning and he also knows Spanish.

>>718406247
He lived in Spain for a while.

>>718405456
well even with drawing you gotta start somewhere. no matter what you do, there a gradients of skill. some assholes (like me) pick up the guitar but never learn anything more than iron man or songs comprised of power chords, meanwhile more dedicated autists can rip out eddie van halen licks and make it look easy.

if you learn nothing else from japanese culture, learn that dedication leads to excellence. only, we in the west here are less likely to dedicate our lives to plying one particular skill or trade. it's rare to be a jack of all trades who is actually more proficient than the most basic motherfucker who dedicates himself exclusively to that trade or skill though.

>>718405456
Having learned Japanese on my own and currently trying to learn to draw I feel like the former is much easier to do. Even if you end up using non-optimal methods and have slowdowns sometimes, it's ultimately just about learning a relatively small set of rules that get constantly reused, then brute force memorizing the rest through repetition and immersion. As long as you don't stop doing it and keep a consistent pace with new stuff you'll eventually get better at listening and reading comprehension, and become fluent enough to consume any media. Every single word you read is one step closer to your goal. It's near impossible to fuck yourself over.

Drawing meanwhile is some kind of eldritch clusterfuck hobby invented by satanic aliens where it's extremely difficult to self-evaluate your own progress and figure out where exactly you should be improving, and it's very easy to plateau due to lack of proper direction.

>>718406324
>>718406474
Ok, thought it was some non-Japanese grifter.

>>718406686
Idk feels like it's the same. You evaluate your fluency by how well you understand things. You evaluate your art by how well you can communicate your ideas.

You do read actual literature and not just ranobe, right anon? Can you tell me your favorite Taisho author?

>>718390083 (OP)
I did, but the main reason I did is slowly dying.

>>718407120
the scenery in this picture looks so yummy

The Hundred Line -Last Defense Academy-
this is too hard for my first vn?

>>718407219
What level would you say you're at currently? Nothing is impossible if you're patient and have a good dictionary by your side

>>718407219
Your first VN should be very short, considering that a 10-hour duration can easily turn into 100–200.

>>718406686
Drawing is literally translating what you see to a piece of paper, it's intuitive. If the shape is confusing use a straight object like a pen to see its 2d line. Drawing 2D anime girl is even easier, it takes less than 100 hrs to draw something good. It only get hard when you have to draw from imagination, that's when you need good anatomy knowledge and an artstyle.

>>718407219
No, my first one was hard and still has some hard to read parts in it even when I read it now, but I learned a lot from the experience and it didn't kill my enjoyment at all. >>718407405 is right that it will turn 1 hour into multiple, but if you're invested in the story you don't care about that.

What's the last thing you guys read?
https://novel18.syosetu.com/n6610jz/

I am currently going through kanji hell.
Stylized japanese also fucks me up.
I will (probably) make it in a few years.

>>718407219
I don't think there's such a thing as too hard, just whether you can maintain interest for long enough.
My first jp vn was Raging Loop because I'd already read it in English and wasn't worried about the constant breaks to look up words ruining the flow.

>>718403179
what's wrong with it aside from the explanations being convoluted?

>>718407867
Porn, which is the same as the last thing I read yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that...

What even is the term for words that have double syllable pairs in them?
You got ペロペロ in OP, but there's also shit like
モフモフ
フワフワ
時々
ビリビリ
早々

etc.

Ateji, cringe or based?

>>718408396
Well you've got 2 different concepts there, one is rendaku, and one is onomatopoeia.

>>718408396
擬音語 (giongo) - onomatopoeia for sounds
擬態語 (gitaigo) - mimetic words for states, conditions, or manners
畳語 (jōgo) - the general term for reduplicated words

I’ve learned hiragana and katakana from scratch multiple times now only to forget it later and have to start again because i can’t get real world practice

>>718408487
cringe but at least it's a demonstration of mastery over the language.

>>718408945
Have you tried reading, retard?

>>718408945
If you can't commit kana to memory, you're absolutely fucked for ever reading the language, due to needing to know 1200 kanji minimum on top of that.
And here I am with only 400 committed to memory for most use cases

>>718403862
>just immerse bro
worked for me
but nobody tells you to actually read stuff you like, not yotsubato or some loli moege because a retard thinks the japanese there is something you give to a day 0

instead you should pick up literally anything no matter the difficulty level, and open a grammar book and a dictionary on the side

>>718409273
Literally everyone says read what you like. My first game was something I wanted to actually play.

>>718409441
Not literally everyone, I can imagine someone giving advice to read something because it's easy, not knowing that's not really helping. Instead of that, they should advice to pick something that's not too hard.

>>718390563
There's only one Kanna I want to drill.

Any noob reading material for the N4-N3 grammar range? Don't care if I have to look up kanji along the way if there's no furigana.

I have started watching Japanese clips of vtubers. It's more fun reading their comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0eRR0MnZj8

>>718409141
>Reading
Yeah asshole give me something to read that is 100% hiragana/katakana. Dumb nigger.

>>718409956
薄い本?

>>718409627
>Instead of that, they should advice to pick something that's not too hard
That would be easier things. Start with hard shit if you want, but without a base of knowledge you won't even be able to parse which words you don't know, recognize conjugation, or recognize when something is an idiom.

>>718410126
>not having at least 10 years of experience watching subbed anime before starting to learn the language
They were never going to make it in the first place.

>>718410092
Here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlm-RqVknfE. They got subtitles, the entire channel.

why would i? i dont really play japanese games and if i do they are always western in style like dark souls anyway so i dont see why it matters. plus subtitles are great. i know you americans really struggle with that for some reason but its quite common to just be used to subs here in europe

>>718404819

https://streamable.com/j9d5f0
https://streamable.com/8jj19o
https://streamable.com/ksyy82
https://streamable.com/1j5bf8
https://streamable.com/kcwile

>>718397760
I mean the untranslated Touhou material and miscellaneous hentai doujins aren't going to translate themselves, but they aren't much of an incentive to really put effort and learn. On the irl side of things we barely have any Japanese living here and there isn't any tangible benefit to learning anyway.
On the other hand we have a lot of Russians and it was pretty useful.

But the hardest and most real "blocks your path" is ACTUALLY conversing with somebody who speaks a foreign language as >>718399493 says. You can watch your animays and listen to your musics and shit but getting into a face-to-face conversation without stuttering or mixing shit up is the true test.

>>718411214
They 100% know what the world means by the kanji; they just don’t know how to pronounce it.
IMO, it’s better to know what something means but not know how to spell it than to know how to spell it but not know the meaning, like in English.

>>718390083 (OP)
I'm trying

>>718390083 (OP)
I thought about doing it for Pokemon with one being english and the opposite being japanese, but then again i don't think my brain would register which is which.

>>718400743
NTA, there is so much nuance lost in translations, and reading/listening is a totally different skill to hone compared to speaking/listening. many anki only retards will struggle to hold a simple japanese conversation even though they know 90% of the vocabulary. The best way to learn how to converse is to actually converse and ape native speakers, as they correct you until the language is second nature to you.

>>718412315
But I don’t want to talk to Japanese people lol. I live in the first world with a very good job, I just want to play some games.

Because I already know enough (white) languages, and because getting the retarded runes down is frustrating. Twenty trillion rote robotic symbols, holy shit, no wonder they're all autistic.

I got burnt out memorizing kanji after 700 on anki

>>718412497
Then just play translations.

>>718412672
>memorizing kanji
here's your "fell for it again" award

>>718412923
You're talking about EN+JP dub not JP sub+ JP dub.

>>718412923
or he could just learn input and ignore the meme output. there’s no point in wanting to talk to someone if you don’t have enough vocabulary from reading a lot. ESLs spend a lot of time playing english games and looking up dictionary words before coming here to shitpost.

>>718390579
I'm going with https://learnjapanese.moe/
I'm having fun so far

>>718407929
he presents the topic/subject marker particles as being directly translatable into English, like genki, but applies it to the more complicated use of particles. This combines with him being ESL and struggling to use any sort of proper abstraction. Many learners will actually think the use of ga translates to "the one or thing who". In reality its mostly used to indicate that a predicate (the part of a sentence that makes an observation) applies to another part of the sentence. In reality nothing translates well to English for comparison
X が Y desu
"the observation that Y is, is true about X"

erufu wa {mimi ga nagai}
エルフは耳が長い
{"Long" is true about "ears"} is true about "elves."
{Ears are long} is true about "elves."
Elves have long ears.
Elves' ears are long.

が is just sentence glue, but he seems to interpret it literally

>>718413058
Then only play autistic weeb-aproved translations. I am fluent in Italian, and reading Dante, even in its native (old Tuscano) Italian, without notes is a fool's errand. And "Big Titty Motorboat Catgirl Sex Party Gaiden" and "High School Isekai Harem #9" are not exactly fucking Alighieri. You'll live, not understanding every little subtle reference.

>>718413479
how does that work in sentences with 2 が markers?
誰が足が速い

My only reading material in the last 3 years of picking up japanese was doujin and Ado's twitter lmao.
Still comfortable N3 but I need to consider this shit will not help in the longer run.

>>718414765
Tarou ga {hon ga yomitai}
太郎が本が読みたい
{Books are wanted to read} is true about Tarou.
Tarou wants to read books.

your example doesn't translate well
{[is swift] is true about feet} is true about anybody/everyone
{feet are swift} is true about anybody/everyone
aka
anybody is fast on his feet (so who is it in particular?)

>>718403179
>Thankfully we have much better resources at our disposal
Yes like 2 years worth of japanese vidya and anime

>>718407867
yotsuba, i'm in volume 5 and still struggling a bit but it's better

it's a mystery to me how many people still think formal training (language school) is better and more efficient than just reading more aka language learning via immersion

>>718416793
i like seeing these explanations. how jp works from your perspective.
is there anything tae kim gets wrong about the other particles too?
but if it's too much to go over or you don't have the time that's fine too.

>>718417902
Formal training can prevent you from forming bad habits. It can also create bad habits, but if you're learning "the proper" way in the "proper" order than it minimizes the risk. in theory.

>>718391383
No, it's actually katagana that's fucking retarded.

>>718417902
most people in the west are goycattle with zero discipline

>>718418135
カタガナ
RENDAKU!

>>718390083 (OP)
I don't play enough japshit to dedicate 1h everyday to study japanese

anons

今 - ima
日 - hi
今日 - kyou

how do i learn things like these. i feel like one character has like 10 different pronounciations. i actually see a character and i'll know what it means, but have no idea what the pronounciation is.

>>718418765
most words will have regular readings only words that are ultra frequent like kyou will have these different readings
and guess what ultra frequent words will be ultra quickly acquired if you just consume japanese
so don't worry

genki has killed my will to learn 5 times now
what resource should I use instead?

>>718418927
Pokemon

>>718418765
>今日 - kyou
That's not even the only way to read 今日. But learn words, not kanji. You stop caring about these things eventually.

>>718390083 (OP)
why would i Japan makes shit games

>>718418765
casual words relating to time and the sky are a pain like that, same with anything with the morning, night, moon and ground kanji
bad news is you basically have to learn them as individual words
good news is its just like 30 words

>>718418765
this is why grinding kanji flashcards are a retarded way to learn vocabulary

>>718418967
>That's not even the only way to read 今日
do you mean こんいち?

but allright, >>718418891 too. i'll just focus on reading and understanding more.

按針sama

>>718419113
こんち
こんじつ

>>718390083 (OP)
>Why haven't you learned Japanese
because I'm learning Chinese

>>718390083 (OP)
I lack discipline. I learnt English purely by accident.

>>718419232
... right
also
>>718419113
しまった
「こんにちは」って書きたかった
did i get that right?

>>718419113
step your dictionary game up

>>718390083 (OP)
>pero pero shinaidekudasai!

Literally it means "don't lick please!" but the context would probably make it more like "Don't lick me, please." The japanese like to turn nouns, adjectives, onomatopoeia, whatever into verbs by adding "shimasu" to them. Here, their turning the onomatopoeia for licking "pero pero" into a verb. The verb is the negative command form of "shimasu"

Are hiragana and katakana for hentai stuff? Doujins specifically.

>>718418765
it's all memorization in the end
if you make your own decks and look at surrounding words, other associated kanji can also help
like 不+忠実 or 小+忠実

>>718419232
I refuse to believe こんち is an actual reading. Seems more like someone was to lazy to add に. こんじつ makes perfect sense though 本日(ほんじつ) 休日(きゅうじつ). Pretty common.

>>718419809
No, that's what hentaigana are for.

>>718390083 (OP)
pero pero my benus weanuss shikoshiko

I did and now I play something or other in Japanese almost every day, it's pretty cool actually. Still occasionally bump into new words and kanji obviously, doubt that's ever realistically going to end completely, but it's long since become more like a fun collection minigame than anything. I still play plenty of non-Japanese games in English, but having both sides available in their native language was always where I wanted to be and it's nice to have made it there.

>>718418112
If that is your reason to pay for a language school then you're getting a lot less back for your moneys worth.

um, wa ga is actually ez

>>718421147
>they don't mean the same thing
They literally do THOUGH.

>>718421147
は vs. が is easier to understand when you learn は vs. も

>>718421147
Oh yeah?
ぬるぽ

>>718421451
>>718421551
>>718421615
all dekinai
don't @ me losers

>>718421704
I may not know a lick of Japanese but saying one particle vanishes the words after it into the void is RETARDED.

>>718419067
>good news is its just like 30 words

>>718421704
okay i got this

ha = as for...
ga = subject marker


i expect to see 100k dollars as donation in my paypal by tomorrow

>>718421794
wut

>>718399349
That's me. Feels like I can't learn anything anymore. I couldn't even make flossing an habit because I'm that starved for time (I'm addicted to 4chan btw).

>>718399493
I don't even want to talk to people who speak languages I understand

>>718404552
milkers...

>>718410126
>Start with hard shit if you want, but without a base of knowledge you won't even be able to parse which words you don't know, recognize conjugation, or recognize when something is an idiom.
yeah true
the reason I recommend people to start reading whatever they like ASAP is because I came close to quitting after only just grinding basics for months

it was only when I actually started reading fanart from a series that I liked, that I started actively making time to study japanese seriously, and made real steady progress

>>718404757
To the same extent that English people don't know how to pronounce words like niche, gyro, quinoa, chitin, etc.

>>718422807
proof read more is the winning strategy

I'm 2 years in i just listen to Hiroyuki streams now. YouTube is king.don't mentally buck break yourself over Chinese squiggles . Japanese is the spoken word first, imported Chinese symbols second.

>>718390083 (OP)
Dekinai thread
No point in learning this shit language when we can have AI translate this shit for us

>>718422807
in general grinding is pointless because basically all learning materials are compromised and designed to teach you wrong (with the exception of maybe cure dolly, who still gives you a laconic version without the full context to make you feel like you are learning, but still)
you are legitimately better off jumping straight into immersion and let your pattern recognition braincells (who you were literally evolved to have in spades) do the job for you
it will be faster too, i have seen retards grinding for half a decade that are still worse than N5 and someone immersing daily can reach close to fluency in 16-24 months
at most you will have to "grind" hiragana and katakana to start off and kanji radicals so you can actually distinguish kanji from one another (and guess the reading 80% of the time) but that's kind of it

>>718423286
>le cheena is bad
Holy niggerism.

>>718423463
>No point in learning this shit language when we can have AI translate this shit for us
>>718395165

>>718423463
lol
lmao even

>>718423070
people like to tout it because it's the only effective way to actually learn any language at a deep level, but I often like to shill it for the motivational effect of seeing your effort actually lead to something tangible
like holy shit dawg you're reading moon runes from the other side of the planet when you couldn't a month ago, doesn't that make you want to grind 10000 flash cards in anki so you could read more?

>>718423286
I just grind vtubers, ゆっくり解説、and 陰謀論 channels

>>718423475
but anon, if they can't rely on J->E dictionaries what can they rely on?

>>718423662
>doesn't that make you want to grind 10000 flash cards in anki so you could read more?
i feel personally addressed

I'm waiting for my N1 results.

>>718423662
>but anon, if they can't rely on J->E dictionaries what can they rely on?
you can speedrun the "baby learn language" period that takes 7-9 years in less than 2 with your adult brain anon
also while J>J dictionaries are far from perfect (good fucking luck getting definitions for lingo that aren't 3+ years out of date and thus wrong) it's a better start, and the language of those definitions is so simple you can actually MTL it to break into the catch 22
much better than this kind of monstrosity, have fun hovering this if you have a J > E hover dictionary
>実情 現状 事態 都合 事情 状況 場合 様子 情勢 形勢 実態 近況 環境 有様 境涯 情状 状態 事の次第 事局 子細 経緯 訳柄 委曲 訳合 情形 すまい
and if you think that's bad, don't worry, it will get worse as westoids keep trying to sabotage anyone from learning japanese to escape their homegrown goyslop

>>718407867
I was slowly reading よわよわ先生 but life got busy and I fell out of the habit.

>>718423843
Heh.

consider a keion rapesim

>>718419962
The day I learned about しこしこ, it was obvious to me that I should continue learning Japanese.

>>718407120
what are you dying from?

What the sigma

>>718421869
>t.

>>718424184
im somehow surprised but also not at all that some gookslop is doing this
nexon are probably desperate their multimillion dollar astroturfing got BTFO by a random ass meme game about horse girls without even trying

>>718423878
You will pass, but 13+ years later...
https://aethermug.com/posts/i-used-to-know-how-to-write-in-japanese
Even the Japanese people I know IRL report a similar experience.
The characters you can expect an average Japanese to write by hand these days are the very core characters as well as those in his name and his address.
After all practically all the writing you do is done on electronic devices these days with Japanese input, which is like cycling with training wheels.

>>718424482
>When learning Japanese, I purposely chose to _not_ learn how to write any of it by hand. As the author notes, writing (by hand) is in fact a separate skill from reading. So I decided I would not invest my limited time, motivation, or brain space to writing.
>Overall it's been a successful approach, and I recommend it to new learners unless they have a particular interest in being able to write by hand or they feel strongly that writing the characters helps them remember them.
>It's only rarely that I have to write anything other than my own name in Japanese. I've practiced my address but writing it in English is fine in 99% of situations. Being able to write properly would save a little embarrassment, but I still believe my language learning time would have a much higher ROI in other areas.

>>718424482
Good thing I never learned how to write to begin with. I don't even know kana.

I think apps and shit are a waste of time, just drill hiragana to begin with then katakana(Yes, I didn't say anything about kanji for a good reason. isolated kanji study is a big waste of time in the long run. I did it for 6 month unfortunately. Yeah it helped, but I could've gotten faster results by just reading words containing those kanji instead). Then start learning by playing press x to continue games in japanese. Look up every word you don't know. Eventually you will have encountered so much stuff and gained familiarity that you can read anything you want. I did this for 2 years every single day for 8+ hours. In on year 3 now, working on improving my speaking.

>>718390579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE

>>718424408
you lost comiket, chigyu

Just finishing marathoning Fatal Frame 4 and 5. Great potential but the gameplay is fucking dogshit. Decent learning material with all of the notes and shit but the constant backtracking and slow ass run speed is awful.

>tfw kanji blind and anki flash cards don't help me to learn/memorize shit after a point
I really need a different way to remember this fucking character is usually read this fucking way in this fucking context!

>>718425092
nobody has ever watched more than two videos of this shit

>>718425291
do doujins translate to company revenue?

Why does your handwriting not look like this?

>>718424949
>just study for 8hrs a day
this is why learning japanese is a meme

>>718426298
you use your first language 16 hours every day
you make it look like 8 hours is a big ask

>>718426298
2 hours are fine too.

>>718408945
You just gotta take the time to read all the kana you see. I was watching Hataraku Saibou and just every time kana popped up on screen I'd pause and do my best to 'read' (sound out). Kana is the only thing I've really managed to get to stick, it's easy.

>>718426521
Yes, I use my first language at my 60 hours/week job.

>>718423590
It's not "2 more weeks". I translated two doujins yesterday. One h-game with so much text the translation was estimated to 10 years? mtl'd already and is fully playable now. As of rn, it's the president.

>>718427205
乳首

>>718425639
because im impatient and dont really care as long as its legible
how about you?

>>718427205
>膨らみ始め

>>718427803
now im ur president >: )

>>718390083 (OP)
i play games. I dont read them.

>>718428143
>>>/jp/49874298

>>718428370
thanks

>the present*
ugh..

>>718428370
>>>/jp/49881720

>>718428509
>>>/gif/49874298

>>718428509
>>>/jp/29312880

>>718425639
I practice on grid paper and try to maximize the character within the cell
which is maddening because I don't know of any font that attempts that for readability at tiny sizes
some shit's even off-center

>>718428370
>>718428509
I was too lazy to confirm but I fucking knew people were copy/pasting shit from /djt/. Posts just started becoming incomprehensible shouts into the void.

>>718428509
>>>/gif/29312880

>>718429014
>>>/gif/29200626

If i know japanese will i also be able to understand chinese? they both look the same especially since they both use kanji

please come to djt we're a lot of fun

>>718429483
not really beyond a few written words

>>718429483
the same way you can read dutch

>>718429630
>please come to my discord circlejerk dead general

>>718429483
you'd maybe be able to intuit some meaning from text like you can with some of latin or german derived languages, but you wouldn't really understand the language

Surprised this thread is still trucking
Someone give me a good rec for more audio vidya immersion, might pickup P3 Remake as its been years and the P series is just so fucking long you start picking shit up instinctively

>>718418765
pine - type of tree
apple - a fruit
pineapple - something completely different

butter - stick of fat
fly - to glide in the air
butterfly - an insect???

holy fuck english is hard!!

>>718390083 (OP)
I just started my 3rd attempt and it's already looking hopeless. I'm just gonna give up and accept that I'll never learn.

>>718429916
>english is retarded
ftfy

>>718429915
What's this. Does it get lewd?

>>718429915
ratchet and clank 1 and jak 1 are pretty good audio immersion with no subtitles so you actually have to listen
https://youtu.be/pimrgIRJcyA

>>718430056
>an an ass
>pineapple
One of these is gay.

>>718429915
魔法少女ノ魔女裁判 is pretty easy and most of the text is voiced

>>718430196
OG Sakura Wars, more romcom/romdrama than anything
and robots ofc

>>718430056
>portuguese: ananas
Never heard that in my life, it’s abacaxi.

I have but now I barely care about videogames and have realized all the jp media I was interested in 15 years ago is poorly written shit.

>>718429630
DJT will just bring you down.

>>718390083 (OP)
I should, but with how fast AI is progressing it might unironically become a good enough translator and I use jap so little that it might just be good enough for me. But I might still learn it just so I can go to Japan and not be stuck with a translator or to tourist areas only.

>>718429483
Some words can be quite similar. Unironically knowing Taishanese helped me learn Japanese vocab quicker.

good vidya to play in JP?

>>718431173
Any Japanese game, bro. I've personally played stuff like DQ11, FF7 remakes, FF16, Metaphor, and other JRPGs in JP. I've also gone back and replayed some of my childhoodgames like Saga Frontier, Legend of Dragoon, and FF7. I also use my JP knowledge to play degenerate rapege VNs that will never get translated.

>>718408945
literally me

>>718431679
vocaroo

I want to speak Japanese IDGAF about reading and writing

Don't need to. The only Jap imports I play are shmups, which 99% of the time have English menus.

>>718390083 (OP)
>he plays games with pictures
pathetic

>>718431953
just say sonna dakedo a lot

>>718431173
ブルアカ

>>718390142
>filthy dekinai hands made this
hang yourself. not even going to deign to correct you

>>718401724
>Single word on the front
>Definition and example sentence on the back
Spend less than 10 minutes a day on anki and can read whatever I like. Stay dekinai ankidrones

>>718431137
i have heard "just 2 more weeks before AI makes learning obsolete goy" literally since the start of the AI craze years ago, and by now basically all text models are degrading to gibberish after peaking at N3 or so around GPT3

>>718431173
Basically everything given the westoidese text is always literal fanfics.

>>718432427
right is better

>>718432118
But I’m too white to play gacha and don’t speak gook

>>718432641
anything done by a westoid is objectively inferior to japan, there's no exceptions to this rule

>>718431173
Dragon Quest X. Free trial is upgrading to include the base game and 3 expansions next week.

>>718431173
>>718432118
これ!

>>718418765
>babby gets filtered by jukujikun
just read more.
昨日, 今朝, 一昨日, 人参, 所以, 海老, 海老茶/葡萄茶, 独楽, 狭間, 旋風(つむじかぜ, つじかぜ, つむじ), 生憎, 悪戯, 譫言, 胡散臭い, 胡乱, 灯火, 案山子, 所為, 紅葉(もみじ)
>>718419074
anki helps you memorize and recall. it doesn't teach words (how to use them, collocations, etc.). it's your fault if you treat it as a silver bullet for learning

the scariest word in the language: 黒人

>>718433093
Isn't it usually written 玄人?

>>718432936
the thing about anki grinding is that it's intended to be a le spaced repetition grind kind of thing
however that happens naturally if you just read, common words get drilled into your head constantly with full context until you learn them and can seamlessly process them, and uncommon ones are spaced as intended
simple immersion makes anki redundant and pointless

>>718433093
>not 黒んぼ

>>718433280
boo

>>718433280
I was watching some Vtuber the other day that couldn't read this and said genjin. And I think she couldn't read 河川 and said kawakawa.

>>718433382
>niggers are even stealing certificates now
return it fag

>>718433382
post score

What game is both easy to read and lewd?

>>718433382
this pic will cause a lot of seething and rage

i've been training my listening skills by watching vtubers.
still can only understand like 25% but at least i can see how badly translated all those clip channels are.

>>718433289
no it doesn't. you won't see shit like 泣き噦る often enough for them to stick. you need to go out of your way to get those down
>inb4 why do you care about shit like 嗚咽, 哭泣, and 泣き噎ぶ when you should be learning 泣く, 泣き喚く, and 号泣 first
because that's the self-crippling cucked soi language learner mentality. you learn what you want. language is not a cumulative process. its difficulty is schizophrenic: you aren't exposed just to "stuff in 1st and 2nd year," so it makes no sense to constrain yourself to a subset. if you discard words that are "too hard" you'll want to kick yourself later down the line when you realize you should have been writing them down on a separate notebook

>>718433668
>but at least i can see how badly translated all those clip channels are.
That's intentional mind you, the westoid side of the fandom gets power trips from changing what vtubers said to try paint them as the person the trannylator want the vtuber to be seen as.

>>718390083 (OP)
初めまして。俺は日本人です。

>>718433382
>This is the guy mating pressing your waifu in another timeline
Grim

>>718432118
>global doesn't have JP text option
I don't want to start all over on a second account and lose muh foresight

>>718433760
never mined 泣き噦る but i easily guessed what it was because its a common word just not in kanji

I haven't done Anki in so many years nor do I read any super chuuni stuff anymore but I do get the urge sometimes to go through my mined deck and pick out all the super obscure words you almost never encounter and making a new deck comprised of just that.

>>718433774
thinking too hard about it will just make you mentally ill.
i just assume it's some retard from the phillipines that doesn't understand either language but "subtitles" them anyways.

>>718434093
No, it is unironically a literal gayop, though if it's actually gubmint run or just retards trying to gaslight other westoids about the personality of any given vtuber is up in the air.

>>718434093
>thinking too hard about it will just make you mentally ill.
But hatred for translators is a powerful motivator.

>>718434232
maybe for absolute beginners

>Started Genki in January and did it every day.
>Eventually just randomly stopped and never went back.
>Still do Duolingo every day simply because I have a long streak.
Yeah, I'm never going to make it.

>>718434232
well, that IS how it started for me.
i've started noticing too much in games with voice acting and now i hate everything but i'm not good enough to play games in raw japanese and probably never will be.
it's mind blowing to me that these people are paid to do this to games.

>>718434332
most dont

>>718434475
>but i'm not good enough to play games in raw japanese
You're actually always good enough to play raw. You shouldn't mistake not understanding things for immersion failing. So just go raw, obviously you probably want PC games that you can use ocr or text hooks just for easy look ups but otherwise just go raw.

How will I know when I've "made it"?

>>718390083 (OP)
>Why haven't you learned Japanese
I did.
>to play jap games
Waste of time to learn a difficult language just to play games.
>>718390374
Same as learning any other language. First you learn the alphabet, then you familiarize yourself with basic grammar (IE, how sentences work), then you read/listen to the language until you understand it

>>718434841
when you understand everything and can pass as a native on text and voice

>>718434841
When you talk to a native Japanese speaker and they don't compliment your japanese.

Im lazy piece of shit, also i wanted to learn to read orginal manga

>>718432136
it's perfectly grammatical. stop larping

>>718392789
As retarded as kanji are, i think "oh, the germans came up with this word? we should make an entire third alphabet for this!" is much worse.

流石 is inherently funny.

can I cut my learning time if I skip reading

>>718435409
No

>>718435409
learning a language is 80% reading lol. you can’t learn a language without reading.
you can cut everything else, but not reading

>>718435685
vocaroo

>is that 2 different ways of writing the same character
>AIIIIIIEEEEE I'M LOSING MY MIND

>>718435685
Will it's actually majority listening. maybe 65% listening 35% reading. Numbers vary but listening is always a bigger portion than reading. But you need to do both.

>>718435717
don’t have a way to text reading? vocaroo is for the normalfags who want to leave the third world and go to japan

>>718396168
>shinaide
>kudasai
If it's possible to write japanese like that, with latin letters, why don't they just do that?

>>718435893
ngmi cope

>>718435989
i accept your concession

>>718435917
It's actually not. romaji is pretty cancer sometimes. But so is katakana. It's a concession to avoid learning multiple alphabets.

>>718435917
kana is just as easy to read

>>718436028
you basically just admitted you sound like shit though

>>718435917
ワイドンットユージャスットユズカナ?

>>718390083 (OP)
so half of the people spamming this are so rich they can make free trips to japan, anytime you want, and you assume everyone is the same and ask these questions in bad faith

>>718436271
it works fine and they dont want to go out of their way to change it just to make it easier for foreigners to learn

>>718390083 (OP)
Too many fucking grammar rules. しょうがないね

>>718436271
Imagine being cursed to speak only in katakana. You can't even speak japanese, just katakana. A fate worse than hell.

>>718436219
yeah i never practiced speaking because i have zero interest in talking with japanese people
i don’t leave my home at all even in my own country
why would i lie? most of my time is spent reading, i don’t know why not learning something i will never use is a gotcha moment for you, looks like you’re more interested in status than the language itself

I already learned like 10 years ago. Back when DJT was still in /a/.

>>718436770
why did they get kicked out?

>>718436723
he wants to live in japan and become japanese

>>718436723
yeah so your perspective is pretty worthless
if you only care about reading then ofc reading is the most important thing to do

>>718436494
But their own people struggle with it. I've seen native japanese struggle with kanji. High school educated japanese can't fluently read their own newspaper. There are obviously issues that need to be adressed.

>>718436723
Should still practice listening, it helps with reading.

>>718436861
i already do live in japan and would rather sound good than bad and reading is definitely not how you do that

>>718436890
Meme. There are intermediate anons that can read newpapers. Natives definitely can.

>>718436850
I don't even really remember anymore but I think mods decided it wasn't anime related or something.

>>718436890
stupid americans cant read newspapers either

I'm going to start pimsleur and learn how to pick up Japanese cuties at a bar
reading is betas lmao

>>718390083 (OP)
>Why haven't you learned Japanese to play jap games??
I'm busy

Thinking about Chinese though

>>718436942
>would rather sound good than bad and reading is definitely not how you do that
no way you must be some sort of fucking visionary

>>718437070
yeah so my point is extremely simple right

>>718437070
Wouldn't you kill two birds with one stone if you read things aloud.

>>718436942
I wonder what you’re even doing there since you spend 10 hours every single day on DJT. should have just stayed in your country.

>>718437070
If you add "fucking" it sounds sarcastic. It has to read as genuine for the joke to work.

>>718436942
What does sounding bad even mean? Do you have problems with pronunciation?

>>718437173
sounding like a gaijin with an accent
sounding native is good

>>718437156
im a neet rn
>>718437173
have you ever heard an esl speak english

>>718437145
No, you need a native to pronounce the words.

>>718437256
Voiced media with text exists.

>>718437247
>Foreign NEET in Japan
I believe in ponies too.