>>718414680
>horrible it makes people feel to play
I fail to see how this is a bad thing. It's like complaining that The Road, Manchester by the Sea or Lilya 4-ever were depressing. The fact that it makes you feel strongly that way is part of what makes it great. Same with the story, it was subversive, sure, but if you don't think Joel had it coming then idk what to tell you. Plus they were planning to kill him from the very start no matter what..and from what they say in the Behind the scenes, in far more gruesome ways. Yeah, you're not supposed to "enjoy" the story the same way as you're not supposed to enjoy the movies i mentioned. But feeling fucked up while experiencing is part of the appeal, for me. Not everything needs to be Devil May Cry. This cutscene alone made me feel more emotions than any video game i played since like Mass Effect, or maybe Death Stranding 1. And i played a shit ton of games
>>718415189
no, because there is torture in it it doesn't mean you are supposed to "enjoy" it, that's beyond retarded. It's supposed to make you feel emotions you shouldn't like. And that's not a bad thing. Kinda crazy that people fail to grasp shit like this. It's as simple as: it's a shitty world and these people are stuck in it and you get to witness it, and this will hurt you.