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Anonymous No.718414340 >>718414407 >>718414506 >>718414605 >>718414914 >>718415157 >>718415168 >>718415358 >>718415617 >>718415806 >>718420289 >>718420548 >>718420694 >>718422237 >>718423446 >>718424759 >>718425032 >>718425158 >>718425305 >>718425326 >>718425331 >>718425979 >>718426159 >>718426940 >>718428896 >>718429435 >>718430852 >>718431224 >>718431302 >>718431445 >>718431572 >>718432091 >>718433903 >>718433968 >>718435124 >>718435295 >>718435542 >>718435728 >>718435991 >>718436048 >>718436105 >>718437253
>bland human
>boring
>goody-two-shoes moralfag
why do women love Alistair, but hate Wyll? is it a paladin vs warlock thing?
Anonymous No.718414407
>>718414340 (OP)
Poor OP
Anonymous No.718414506 >>718415001
>>718414340 (OP)
>why do women love
How the fuck should we know?
Anonymous No.718414553
It was a different time, Alistair was also really quippy and shit which probably would not fly as well today.
Anonymous No.718414605
>>718414340 (OP)
>he doesn't default to good karma
brown
Anonymous No.718414673 >>718415506 >>718425374
Alistair has a voice actor memorable enough that I recognized him on a TV show just from his voice.

I can't even remember what Wyll sounds like.
Anonymous No.718414904 >>718430145
I'm tired of pretending that being morally good is inherently boring, Alistair is a good character
Anonymous No.718414914
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair has a backbone for one.
Anonymous No.718414952
wyll is a side character in his own quest
Anonymous No.718414960
hurf durf
Anonymous No.718414969 >>718415782
Wyll is a cardboard cutout, zero fucking personality beyond his image as the blade.
Anonymous No.718415001
>>718414506
>we
Anonymous No.718415074
Wyll gives off faggot vibes, I understand the irony of the comparison
Anonymous No.718415096 >>718415209 >>718415270 >>718420372 >>718422406 >>718436726
i tried to kill wyll and his dad but the game won't let you sadly
Anonymous No.718415157
>>718414340 (OP)
You do realize that they have to pay women who fuck men on camera double or triple the going rate to fuck black guys, right?
Anonymous No.718415168 >>718416862
>>718414340 (OP)
>is it a paladin vs warlock thing?
That isn't the main reason, but let's not discount it either because it is pretty significant. A paladin who holds themselves to a strict moral code and actually strives to do good is far more justified in being morally upright than a dude who sells his soul to a demon for power - even if it is for a good reason, being a warlock at all makes any attempt at do-goodery hypocritical at best.
Anonymous No.718415209
>>718415096
literally just attack his dad in camp, Wyll leaves your party, they both die permanently
Anonymous No.718415270 >>718415327
>>718415096
You can do the next best thing and consign his soul to the depths of the hells for eternity. And bonus, you get to stick it to Mizora in the process!
Anonymous No.718415327
>>718415270
I'd rather stick it in Mizora
Anonymous No.718415358
>>718414340 (OP)
This is a typical tourist take in regards to Alistair. If you would've actually played the game and listened to his dialogue for longer than the first few hours of DA:O, you would understand more of his character.
Anonymous No.718415438 >>718415850
early access wyll bros...
Anonymous No.718415440
Wyll makes for the best origin character if you mod his appearance.
Anonymous No.718415506
>>718414673
bottla o'wotta bruv
Anonymous No.718415617
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair is not a paladin, he's a templar while similar on the surface they're really not like dnd paladins at all
and I'm ignoring the fact that he's actually not a templar at all, he just got a bit of training, but he never fully became one
Anonymous No.718415782
>>718414969
>his image as the blade
Which in turn means literally nothing to the player because you've never even heard of this dude who is supposedly a famous hero.
Anonymous No.718415806
>>718414340 (OP)
People always bring up Alistair as an example that even Origins wasn't that serious. But they don't realize that Alistairs jokes were cynical and biting. He wasn't "GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I NOW?!?!?!" but he was either an asshole or self deprecating. The humor in Origins always had a target, at the expensive of someone, not just commenting on the situation.
Anonymous No.718415850 >>718439956
>>718415438
>Traded in Goblin autism for nothing
What a waste.
https://youtu.be/SOy1vYHY01g?t=829
Anonymous No.718415867 >>718417924
I liked Alistair because he looked exactly like my best friend at the time
Anonymous No.718416862 >>718417032 >>718418306 >>718419132
>>718415168
>being a warlock at all makes any attempt at do-goodery hypocritical at best.
name one bad thing Wyll did
Anonymous No.718417032
>>718416862
Making a deal with a devil
Anonymous No.718417924 >>718418726
>>718415867
everyone in origin looks like a potato tho
Anonymous No.718418306
>>718416862
Lie, cheat and mislead
Oh wait they rewrote his personality for release into a boring fuck
Anonymous No.718418726
>>718417924
True, but Alistair was at least a handsome potato. Everyone else looked like they were textured with mashed lima beans and crushed dreams. BioWareโ€™s 2009 facial tech was doing its damnedest with what little hope it had.
Anonymous No.718419132
>>718416862
He had the gall to do his prancing buck dance in public.
Anonymous No.718419989
Because one has a character and the other is just DEI
Anonymous No.718420289
>>718414340 (OP)
>why do women love Alistair,
i hate me a karth onasi type guy
Anonymous No.718420372
>>718415096
Just let Kagha kill Arabella then tell her parents to get revenge, you can kill Wyll in the crossfire.

Or have him turned into a lemure or sacrifice him to Boaal. Then you just blow up the prison and the duke dies.
Anonymous No.718420548
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistar was not boring
Anonymous No.718420694
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair has plenty of personality and a great dynamic with Morrigan. Wyll is a cardboard cutout
Anonymous No.718422237 >>718423538
>>718414340 (OP)
Alister is the only good male in DA:O
Anonymous No.718422406
>>718415096
me when i lie
Anonymous No.718423141
I liked old wyll more. A faker rather than a noble son.
Anonymous No.718423446
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair is funny.
And White.
Anonymous No.718423538 >>718429927
>>718422237
>Sten
Anonymous No.718424759
>>718414340 (OP)
>Alistair is hot
>wyll is a dusty 2/10
Anonymous No.718424916 >>718425013 >>718434017
Why are chinese game shills obsessed with DEI FUD?
Because they fund it in the West
Anonymous No.718425013 >>718425176
>>718424916
Hey! There he is!
Anonymous No.718425032
>>718414340 (OP)
>leaves you to be king if unhardened
>even if the above happens, he won't allow you to sacrifice yourself to the archdemon, will override you and die to save you out of love
Vs
>muh daddy
>muh dommy mommy
>tell me what to do about muh problems
laughable comparison and I'm not even a rabid Alistair romancer
t. woman (female)
Anonymous No.718425158
>>718414340 (OP)
Allistair is a bro. Wyll is a nigger. Next question
Anonymous No.718425176 >>718434017
>>718425013
>only one person posts that image
we all know youre a retard but cmon chang
Anonymous No.718425305 >>718425374 >>718425918
>>718414340 (OP)
I remember when i first played this game. I loved alistair. Always my main tank. I found out later he was voiced by fav actor from crossing jordan. I.e. another quirky forensic or analyst characters that csi esque shows had
Anonymous No.718425326
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair has an actual personality and is important to the story. His banter with Morrigan is, ya know, actually something. He is likable and affable. He also has flaws. Honestly, he is just kind of a copy of Aragorn but made snarky instead of stoic.
I also think it is pretty funny how you can convince him to marry the noble lady and then be his mistress if you're a female. I think it is interesting that a game actually tackles that kinda thing, though I never did end up doing a female run of the game because 2 playthroughs was enough for me and I was a noble human and then an elven mage the second time.
Anonymous No.718425331
>>718414340 (OP)
Alastair is better characterized and a large bit of the political intrigue of the game is centered on him as a candidate for the throne
Anonymous No.718425374
>>718414673
Lmaaao same>>718425305
Anonymous No.718425689 >>718425894 >>718425908 >>718426286
Alistair sucks the dude would NOT stop bitching once the idea of turning Loghain into a warden came up
Anonymous No.718425894
>>718425689
Which makes him a good character
Anonymous No.718425908 >>718426105
>>718425689
>alistair sucks dude why is he mad at me for sparing the guy who murdered his father figure, his king (and half brother) and all of his friends wtf
Anonymous No.718425918 >>718426040 >>718426384
>>718425305
Yeah, that was a time. Alistar tanking and holding the line. Me and Morrigan comboing spells. Leliana handling the undercover business.
It's a great party.
Anonymous No.718425979 >>718426180
>>718414340 (OP)
Bioware wrote some actual fucking dialogue for Alistair while Larian wrote practically fucking nothing for Wyll. Just like how Bioware wrote practically fucking nothing for Jacob in Mass Effect and Valygar in BG2. Something about black men just makes these western RPG devs incapable of writing them.
Anonymous No.718426040
>>718425918
For sure. It was basically always the party i played with lol. Because i am a completionist, i needed leliana for lockpicking if i wasn't playing rogue
Anonymous No.718426105
>>718425908
there are a lot of people who shit and piss if in a game NPC shows any bit of character and oppose the player character
Anonymous No.718426159 >>718427521
>>718414340 (OP)
>Wyll
dreadlocks are disgusting, smelly and unsightly
weird stone eye and scarring disfigurements in combination with youthful low-stress facial features that go the opposite direction of making him look like a scarred veteran - he looks like he got curbstomped outside of a pub
dumpy dysgenic jaw structure, man looks like a thumb from most angles
tiny unintelligent eye shape, brown iris, weak facial hair

he's just a background npc and has no heroic presence, he also suffers from being blackwashed into a non-entity character at the last minute with 80% of his writing being backloaded into Mizora and the Duke
perfect storm of uninteresting non-character features and uncharismatic dialogue
Anonymous No.718426180
>>718425979
giving them any character flaw is racist
giving them personality traits that can make them unlikable to some section of the audience is too risky
Anonymous No.718426286 >>718426370
>>718425689
>character doesn't do exactly what I want them to
>this makes them a bad character
This is another reason why I hate BG3 and all the people that say its the best thing ever.
Anonymous No.718426370 >>718426742
>>718426286
BG3 doesn't do that. Did you play the game?
Why am I even asking of course you didn't
Anonymous No.718426384 >>718428425
>>718425918
The sad thing about Alistair as a tank is that he's completely overshadowed either by the player if they went warrior, or Shale
Anonymous No.718426742 >>718426902
>>718426370
>>BG3 doesn't do that.
>the game that was so full of [Glass Him] options that Gale's shower rapist dialogue traps had to be patched multiple times
Anonymous No.718426902
>>718426742
What does that have to do with what we're talking about? Companions in BG3 will oppose you, and in some cases, can't be persuaded and will attack you (like Wyll and Karlach if you kill the tieflings and the druids)
Anonymous No.718426940 >>718427502
>>718414340 (OP)
Why are you obsessed with this topic?
Anonymous No.718427502 >>718427615
>>718426940
op is horny woman let's rape her
Anonymous No.718427521
>>718426159
Meh, as a rich kid it was nice to have some representation. Everyone else was so fucked up.
Anonymous No.718427615
>>718427502
I got anus.
Anonymous No.718427997
>Larian writes the ultimate version of libcuck's idea of the "ideal" black guy
>He's so "good" that he gives women the ick
>Everyone shicks their clit to bad boy Astarion (white) and Burly BVLL Halsin (white)
>BBC lost, whites won


Kek based retards at larian
Anonymous No.718428425 >>718428878
>>718426384
Why?
Not about shale, i ignore dlc power creep
Anonymous No.718428660
People still donโ€™t like goody knightly characters? I love the archetype. Basch, Cullen; alistair, Steiner.
Anonymous No.718428878
>>718428425
If the main character is also a Sword and Board Warrior then they're a strictly better version of Alistair because of natural stat increases as well as abilities like the blood magic in the tower. Plus you're probably giving your Warden all the cool gear and leaving Alistair with hand-me-downs
Anonymous No.718428896 >>718429135 >>718430317
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair is a complete dogshit romance option. He constantly makes sarcastic remarks and avoids taking any responsibility or leadership of any situation ever, preferring to follow along behind the intern who started yesterday. Unless you choose specific dialogue options, he will happily dump the female warden after becoming King due to peer pressure. The only way he can become King in the first place is if the warden convinces everyone at the Landsmeet while he continues to passively do absolutely nothing, like the guy hiding behind his assertive GF in the HE ASKED FOR NO PICKLES meme.
Anonymous No.718429135
>>718428896
>being a bitch is still better than being a cardboard cutout of a wetblanket
Anonymous No.718429435
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair was a bro
Anonymous No.718429927
>>718423538
You can't be sure of the multi-gendered ways of the Qun.
Anonymous No.718430145
>>718414904
>Alistair is a good character
HARDENED Alistair is EVEN BETTER.
Anonymous No.718430262
reminder that female wardens gets to be a QUEEN while male wardens have to settle with """prince-consort"""
Anonymous No.718430317
>>718428896
>Alistair is a complete dogshit romance option.
Anonymous No.718430749
Alistair didn't have a stupid high school drama-tier entrance like Wyll did.
Anonymous No.718430842 >>718431015 >>718431151 >>718431190 >>718437368
>Alistair
>Morrigan
>Leliana
>Play as human noble and get them all to max approval
Anonymous No.718430852 >>718431230 >>718431275
>>718414340 (OP)
Women like Alistair?
Anonymous No.718431015
>>718430842
Based, same here
Anonymous No.718431151 >>718432441
>>718430842
>can't break out of this setup
>on my tenth playthrough

help
Anonymous No.718431190
>>718430842
I never understood how to make leilana be useful. She did 0 damage
Anonymous No.718431224 >>718431332
>>718414340 (OP)
>Why do women love
Women don't play vidya. No, not even the anecdotal one you think you know, she's only there for the attention.
>Alistair, but hate Wyll?
Wyll is at least brown, that means he's missing at least half of his humanity.
Anonymous No.718431230
>>718430852
They like Alistair, though they also like Zevran and even Leliana
Anonymous No.718431275
>>718430852
How new are you, Bioware is filled with femoid fans and they all want to fuck Alistair and Garrus
Anonymous No.718431302 >>718433590
>>718414340 (OP)
>implying an actual woman played BG3
Anonymous No.718431332 >>718431360
>>718431224
women love RPGs with romance retard
Anonymous No.718431360
>>718431332
ywnbaw
Anonymous No.718431445
>>718414340 (OP)
It's because Wyll is subservient.
Anonymous No.718431572
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair is just better from a game and general writing perspective.
Alistair:
>has moral compass based on his background of being raised in a chantry
>adheres to the setting's morals standard but because of that he still has beliefs players can disagree with
>moral greys like blood magic and mage freedom make him uncomfortable and regularly opposes them
>will challenge player before and after making choices he dislikes, giving him more agency
>will disregard you later and make his own choice when it comes to loghain, even killing him without asking if you choose him for the duel
>is an angel on your shoulder early on when you're almost guaranteed to have morrigan in the party
>letting you lead comes from him being a pushover, giving a character reason for why he's a follower and a potential arc
>kind of lame
Wyll:
>is good because he's moral, represents neutral good alignment rather than a character
>morality is just what we'd consider as good rather, acting against his beliefs is to do something immoral by our standards
>generally doesn't challenge you over decisions, can regularly murder people without him giving a shit so he feels
>will follow you no matter what, let's you choose his path despite
>let's you lead because you're the player
>meant to be cool
tl;dr Alistair is a character who is morally good while Wyll is a cutout of a morally good character.
>why do women love Alistair, but hate Wyll?
My guess is that Alistair will confront players on his own while Wyll never will. People don't like complete pushovers.
Anonymous No.718432091 >>718432148
>>718414340 (OP)
as far as i remember, alistair and wyll are pretty different, alistair is way more of a funny witty and humorous person (but don't in a good way, not marvel tier, he generally is serious when the moment requires it) while wyll is way more depressed
Anonymous No.718432148
>>718432091
*but DONE in a good way
Anonymous No.718432441 >>718438424
>>718431151
It's like going Garrus/Wrex in ME1. It just feels right
Anonymous No.718433590 >>718439021
>>718431302
I know one woman who likes it and she didn't beat act 2
Anonymous No.718433858
for me its sheila, sten and dog
Anonymous No.718433903 >>718434007 >>718437001 >>718437187
>>718414340 (OP)
Wyll is like Jacob from ME2. hes just some guy.
Anonymous No.718433968
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair doesn't try to fuck me for one.
Anonymous No.718433984
Because nobody can write anymore, least of all men that wear diapers and get fucked in the ass while making whimpering dog sounds
Anonymous No.718434007 >>718434131
>>718433903
wyll at least somewhat important to the baldurs gate city and his endings are interesting
Anonymous No.718434017 >>718435921
>>718424916
>>718425176
Russian shill posting image collages 5 pixels in diameter while trying to lambast China for doing the very same thing they do.

The Sino-Soviet split happened over 60 years ago, ya gotta get over it famalam.
Anonymous No.718434131 >>718434567
>>718434007
nobody that played this slop got to baldur's gate
Anonymous No.718434567
>>718434131
thats true, less than 20% of all steam players reached wyrms crossing
Anonymous No.718435124
>>718414340 (OP)
Dunno anything about left other than
>inb4 hurf durf feggtz git off mai vidyer

But Wyll had probably the least engaging story of the whole group.
He randomly drops in on your party, grandstands, and then fucks off into the camp.
His only other exposition or interaction you have is that he needs to kill someone that eventually turns out to be another potential party member (Karlach), and one that clearly isn't the horrible child-eating monster that he so adamantly declares her to be.
THEN we find out he's a demon's bitch and is getting jerked around by contract small print fuckery

So, now we're likely a good 1/4 to 1/3 of the way through the first act and all we know is:
>He's a showoff that likes to present himself as a paragon of good against evil
>His power is derived from probably the worst possible place it could come from for having such a upstanding view of himself. Since Mizora can force him to do evil-aligned shit.
>He's clearly naive, or at the very least optimistic to a stupid degree, since even though he is supposedly well aware of demon contracts and their fuckery, still thinks that Mizora wouldn't absolutely play him for her gain like she did with sending him to chase after Karlach at Zariel's behest.

Top that off with the whole Duke Ravenguard plot, which really has 0 bearing on or investment in the party's journey outside of some extra good-boy notches on the belt, but is obviously very important to Wyll. But at the same time, you can complete the entire questline with no negative impact without even needing Wyll in the party, or even your camp at all, for that matter. You can essentially resolve all of his bullshit as side tasks for the party you actually want to run with, with 0 consequence. Just imagine Shart, but with Act 2 completely removed. That's Wyll.
Anonymous No.718435295 >>718436030 >>718436242
>>718414340 (OP)
>killed him during my first playthrough cause he came into my camp wanting to kill my waifu

is he worth picking up in a new playthrough?
Anonymous No.718435487
Alistair was anything but bland pleb maybe play the games first before crying about them
Anonymous No.718435542
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair is funny
Anonymous No.718435728
>>718414340 (OP)
>why do women love Al and not Will
Because Will is already tied by another woman, and is not as quippy/heartfelt as Ali. Also, no character growth.
Alistair is a bro, i like him very much.
Anonymous No.718435921
>>718434017
stay mad you can't archive crawl. meanwhile we expose plenty of your embarrassments, tencent marketing firm
Anonymous No.718435991
>>718414340 (OP)
Alistair is witty, charming, sarcastic, the reluctant heir to a kingdom, and willingly subjected himself to a shortened life of brutal death just to keep the world safe.
Wyll is just some guy
Anonymous No.718436030 >>718437178
>>718435295
Eldritch Blast is stupidly good but Wyll doesn't have anything interesting to do or say. He's involved with a devil woman but I don't think she does anything with the plot aside from how it interacts with him. His dad is the duke of the city but again, it doesn't have much relevance outside of how it effects him personally. You could make another character a warlock and it'd change almost nothing.
Anonymous No.718436048
>>718414340 (OP)
We told you this last time.
Alistair is a blond white boy. Plus he is funny, has depth to him, and a way better VA.
Anonymous No.718436105
>>718414340 (OP)
>handsome white guy
>weird ugly brown mutt
Gee its a real mystery OP
Anonymous No.718436242
>>718435295
I mean warlock can be alright if you know what equipment to get for the strongest eldritch blasts, and being able to recover the equivalent of the highest spell slots on short rest can be alright if food is somehow a major concern(or if youโ€™re trying to avoid specific story events), the rapier can be alright if youโ€™re not going the melee focused warlock and donโ€™t want to summon the sword to preserve spell slots. Besides the rapier I canโ€™t think of any unique shit for using him so if youโ€™re being โ€œoptimalโ€ you can just reclass shart or get a traveler or something to be a warlock.
Anonymous No.718436726
>>718415096
i accidentally killed wylls dad in the inn at baldurs gate by throwing astarion at him. then wyll got pissed, fight initiated, i killed wyll... then i reset the game because the battle kept escalating and i was getting sick of fighting
Anonymous No.718437001 >>718437193
>>718433903
I can't help but feel like "just some guy" isn't their only unifying feature
They also have prominent daddy issues, which no one finds endearing
Anonymous No.718437178
>>718436030
Is it even that good? It's really only amazing in this game IF you get the Potent Robe.
Anonymous No.718437187
>>718433903
Jacob isn't "just some guy." He's Carth Onasi.
Anonymous No.718437193
>>718437001
also the rest of the cast is like an all-star lineup in both games.
Anonymous No.718437253
>>718414340 (OP)
I disliked Wyll because it seems like he has no real will of his own. He dumps his major life choices into the PC's hands, and is immediately convinced that whatever the PC suggests is the best option. It feels like he never develops as a character because he himself never chooses to do anything and hardly even expresses an opinion on anything.
Anonymous No.718437368
>>718430842
>Human Noble Sword + Shield Warrior
>Recruit Wynne as a healer ASAP
>Ranged Leliana, spice it up from time to time with dual dagger Zevran
>Alistair is the only other Grey Warden, has been with me since the beginning, is charming, and my best bro
It's gamer time
Anonymous No.718438424 >>718439447
>>718432441
this but Garrus/Liara
Anonymous No.718439021
>>718433590
well I am a man and haven't either
Anonymous No.718439447
>>718438424
Garrus/Tali. :3 my main party in dao was Zev, Alistar/Leilana I have yet to do nightmare playthrough in that rift one
Anonymous No.718439956 >>718440045
>>718415850
Early access for rpgs is a fucking huge mistake.
You shouldn't let the average retards opinions influence your game like that.
Anonymous No.718440045 >>718440083
>>718439956
>tfw reddit ended up hating every single change they were asking for
Anonymous No.718440083
>>718440045
>reddit
and /v/