Thread 718415246

>Kills a bunch of people
>Steals a bunch of money
>Collects money from people who actually owed him money
>Gets sick
>"nooooo, I shouldn't be collecting money from these people"
>Goes back to killing and robbing instead

How is this discourse real?

>>718415246 (OP)
I hated playing as this fucking liberal cuck and I hate how they made Marston look like a bitch to compensate.

>>718415246 (OP)
Loan sharking is not a legitimate business it's being a thug

>>718415246 (OP)
>In a ruthless outlaw gang that's brought misery to hundreds but draws the line at racism and sexism
I'm sick of Rockstars safe edgy bullshit

>>718415246 (OP)
Arthur is the embodiment of that joke Spike makes in Buffy about conquering nations.
>I came, I conquered, I felt really bad about it :(

>>718415246 (OP)
>How is this discourse real?
There's no contradiction. Arthur's morality is very straight forward.

>>718415483
>clearly didn't play the game
Many of the gang either avoided or antagonized Lenny and the only reason it wasn't worse is because Dutch stopped it. Why you guys think everyone should be shouting racist slujts 24/7 is beyond me. The civil war had already happened. Women's suffrage was going on. Life is a lot more liberal than your 4chan echo chamber wats you to think

>>718415246 (OP)
>kisses a French tranny
Worst rockstar protagonist of all time

This made-up hypocrisy meme is so stupid. It's not like Arthur kills random innocent people. The player is exclusively pitted against gangsters and corrupt officials who deserve it and that Arthur kills in self-defense. Yes, killing a random innocent family man over loan-sharking is gonna haunt Arthur while killing a gangster who was trying to kill him isn't gonna haunt him, retard. There is no double-standard

>>718415372
I love how they pretend Arthur "sacrificed himself" for John at the end, like an attempt to remake the first game's climax, but that sacrifice meant absolutely nothing and you can even go back for the money instead without changing the story in the slightest.
>>718415483
He's committing acts of mass terrorism in the end just because his crazy boss asked him to without elaborating why, but still became a progressive, redeemable member of the gang because the others were saying mean things about natives.

>>718416072
>It's not like Arthur kills random innocent people
if he doesn't then you're playing the game wrong

>>718415246 (OP)
>Marriage? A sacred institution? Heh, it's anything but in my experience, brother, I can tell you that. If two fellers wanna tie the knot, who am I ta say no? If the Lord ain't judged our gang, I'd say he's been takin' some time off the job, yer probably safe. Heh heh. Have at it, I say.
>Abortion? Well, that's a rough one. Bit of a tough pill to swaller. At first, I didn't rightly take kindly to the idea of killin' babies, but Dutch gave me this ole thick science book and I pretty much surmised that well, that thing is about as human as Micah here, which is lackin' to say the least, heh. Hell, I'd say a gal has the right to choose.
>A gal? As president? Well, what I can tell ya is its been nothin' but fellers since this whole thing here started up and what have we got? A bunch of other dead fellers. What have we got ta lose? I reckon' tryin' a gal's touch wouldn't do anyone no harm. If weakness is a concern of yours, I promise you some of the ladies runnin' in my gang would probably make Old Hickory look like a nancy in comparison. Hell, I'd reckon its her turn.
>Lettin' a black feller do yer wife? Well, if the old lady's havin' fun, who am I to deny her that? I reckon that feller's got a bigger one than me anyway. Besides, we gotta pay some back for that whole slavery bid'ness we did to them. Dutch raised me and I ain't his real son, so I'll raise my wife's son, whether he's black or white.
>Cuttin off yer willie sure sound silly but I reckon a feller might as well chop it off he ain't goin use it. And i suppose a wig can't do harm neither, heck men use to wear em all the time back in them oldin' days.

Wish we could’ve played as Micah instead

>>718416212
>NOOO MY HECKIN COWBOY GANGSTA NEEDS TO BE A CHUD LIKE ME NOOOO

>>718416072
Sure, every single cop/guard/soldier he kills throughout the entire game was corrupt, including random patrolling officers. /v/ supports ACAB now, I guess.

>>718416212
>If the Lord ain't judged our gang
But He DID judge them in the end. They all died and various gruesome and miserable ways befit of the life they lived up to that point. And they will be judged in the afterlife too and cast into eternal fire.

>>718416554
Micah was a shit comically evil villain saved by a great vocal performance

>>718416676
>presentism: noun
>pres·ent·ism ˈpre-zᵊn-ˌti-zəm
>an attitude toward the past dominated by present-day attitudes and experiences

just because there was a lot of institutional racism and African Americans faced a lot of unfairness and prejudice doesn’t mean EVERY single white person was hellbent on treating them as lesser beings. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Arthur, who was already detached from society and lived as the enforcer for a deadly gang, came to a point where all of humanity regardless of skin color we’re all corrupt. It makes sense when he spends more time running from white people, aka the law and other gangs, and doesn’t really deal with minorities other then Javier and Charles

>>718416728
you receive and honour penalty for killing non-hostile lawmen. the people wanting to hate this game can't even pretend to have played it

>half of John’s old gang were hecking girlbosses
Officially licensed fanfiction

>>718415807
>clearly failed history class

Sadie Adler is one of the most painfully feminist characters I've ever seen. Since the beggining she makes it clear that she won't cook or do girly shit, she wanted to shoot people. Soon enough she is basically as good as any other member of the gang, she even kills guys in melee combat. At the end she becomes a badass bounty hunter that tracks bandits at will. Even her raspy voice is another part of her character that shows she is not some delicate lady in any way.
Rockstar went all in with the noble savage myth. Every native american character is portrayed as noble, their only flaw is being too naive. At the beggining we are lectured by Charles Smith (the half native character) about how the natives respect the animals, and in the mission drunk white guys were killing byson for fun. Then when we get to the missions that deal with the native tribe, and we are not even allowed to hurt a native guy in the open world section of the game.
Arthur is portrayed very differently from John in RDR1. Arthur makes it clear that is an antiracist and he will try beat the shit out of racists. For example, Arthur would try to punch Herbert Moon if he was the protagonist of the first game. Of course I wouldn't want to play a racist character, that would be distasteful. So what's the problem with Arthur? Well, I just think it is kinda bizarre for a murderer gang member to be so self-righteous. Our protagonist seriously seems to think that he has the moral high ground because of this issue alone. Several times we kill workers in the missions of the game after they say something racist, as if we as the players are doing some righteous revenge, meanwhile we are robbing and killing.
There's no lewdness. No opportunity to go to a brothel for example. John had a family, so it made sense, but I don't see any reason for Arthur to be sexless. Just another aspect of the game that could potentially annoy feminists, so they simply ignored it.

>>718415246 (OP)
It's carried hard by his actor being good but as a character yeah he's incredibly overrated.

the biggest mistake was making a prequel.
prequels always flop.
i suspect rdr3 will be about the Callendar brothers & of course rockstar/2k will make 1 of them a flaming homo who spreads monkeypox intentionally. they will throw in some moral compromise to justify it.

>>718418452
So every time you kill a cop or security worker without receiving a penalty, it's guaranteed that he was corrupt? Every single one of the thousands of completely random workers you kill in every mission was coincidentally as corrupt as Cornwall? I have an alternative explanation: making you lose honor for killing every enemy in the game other than O'Driscolls would make the system insufferable, even if correct.

Imagine being such a philistine that you could actually, sincerely make the statement that RDR2 has the greatest anything in fiction.

>>718419741
>it's guaranteed that he was corrupt?
the morality system is about Arthur's perception of his actions

>>718420052
>Arthur's perception of his actions
Which is incoherent. He's a badly written character, this isn't up for debate.

>>718415246 (OP)
god normalfags are so stupid

>>718415246 (OP)
The technology and detail in the game is incredible but the writing and characters are all terrible and the missions samey and repetitive. I completed the game once and never want to do it again.

>>718416728
Those soldiers were rapists carrying out a genocide. They deserved it

>>718420404
Exactly. Killing a cop to steal money is abominable in sandbox, but the only possible way of progression in the main story. Completely arbitrary, and it creates the insane character arc of kicking Strauss out of the gang as an act of redemption just to mass-shoot a train a few missions later.

>>718420052
>morality is subjective
yes this is a leftist game and they are retards who believe this so maybe you are right

>>718419181
ironically this is why sadie will be reguarded as the most memorable character of the game
she's so over the top
finally freed from the ball and chain of marriage she becomes the the kick ass bounty hunter of legend on par with wyatt earp or david bowie. the entire story is top tier dog shit written by trannies

they should've made it to where bringing a black dude to the klan initiates a cutscene like the altruist cult in gta v

>>718415246 (OP)
I knew there was something wrong when I kept hearing women talk about him. I played the game and it was fun and cool but now I'm old enough to see and understand Rockstar's retarded writing now

those railroad workers got what they deserved

>>718415246 (OP)
Because you keep forcing the discourse and you bitch about it here because you know this place will side with you.

Adding a morality meter was really dumb. Arthur's such an obviously awful person that it's goofy.

>>718420557
So how come this board welcomes them?

>>718419038
No Anon, you did. People with Arthur's values existed in the late 19th century; even people with far more radical views.

>>718415246 (OP)
>I DUNNO DUTCH, MAYBE I SHOULD KEEP DOING EVERYTHING YOU SAY EVERY SINGLE TIME WITHOUT QUESTION, THEN I CAN BITCH ABOUT IT LATER
>NOW DUCTH, I THINK I'LL CONTINUE DOING THIS EVERY SINGLE MISSION UNTIL IT KILLS ME
ORTHUR morgan was a straight downgrade from john marston in every way. the writing was so ass, even john marston became a shit character in 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-BIqqSe1nU

>>718416728
>/v/ supports ACAB now, I guess.
always have you dumbass bootlicking chud
NORMIES GO BACK TO TWITTER

>>718421741
>WTF DUTCH YOU CAN'T JUST KILL SOME OLD SPANISH LADY FOR TRYING TO STAB YOU TO DEATH YOU'RE LOSIN' IT ALSO WHY DIDN'T YOU GET THE GOLD BACK?

Here on 4chan we back the blue, stand for the flag, and kneel for the cross!

>>718415246 (OP)
Tombstone will be the greatest cowboy media ever, red dead 2 is psudointullectual garbage

>>718421725
So many people seem to fail at realizing the entire RDR series is set in just the general Wild West and not LITERALLY at the far end of it where its moving over to modern times.

i like the part where john marston is a bumbling buffoon for the sake of making arthur look better, to give him the cool mentor status. which makes no fucking sense, because immediately after 2, john marston becomes the single most capable member of the gang over night. absolutely pants writing.

>>718422240
Both Redemptions are literally about the dying West tho but I fail to see the relevance to the conversation at hand

i know the female employees at rockstar reading this wanna bathe me and tug on my cock.

As good as RDR2 is, if Arthur is the "greatest fictional character I've ever seen," you need to read more, watch more, play more -- really experience more in general.

Zoomies really have trouble expanding their horizons with things that were created more than 10 years ago, I've noticed.
Why can't they connect to older things, to history, to the great works of literature?

>>718422240
rdr2 isnt cannon its a failed prequel set during the industrial revolution period they couldn't even get that right

>>718422474
>Why can't they connect to older things, to history, to the great works of literature?
they've literally been taught and brainwashed not to. while the rest of us hit every branch falling out of the jewish modernity tree, zoomers had the entire tree fall on top of them.

>>718422034
>edgy faggot thought he was in like company when retards pretended here 20 years ago before ACAP actually started unironically being supported by a criminal class

>>718422228
The entire game is a dumbed-down version of Wild Bunch, but misunderstanding everything that made it great by somehow trying to turn it into a moral heroic lesson rather than the bleakest thing ever made.

>>718422714
Oh no we couldn't possibly support real criminals here on 4chan dot org, there's a line and it's been crossed!

>>718422474
cause everything in school is boiled down to a 45 minute lesson plan. events like the revolutionary war, the industrial revolution, ww1 & 2 should be a years long course by themselves.
Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity with a kite now put away your history book and take out your gender studies textbook goy

>>718422990
It really wasn't any different when I was in school, though. I went to one of the lowest ratest schools in a county that was among the lowest rated in my state, Tennessee, which at the time ranked 48th out of 50 in education quality in the US.

I had maybe 1-2 good teachers who actually gave a shit about teaching but mostly I was interested in learning things on my own, especially reading.
Then again I didn't have a smart phone in my pocket at all times or any of that shit.

>>718423151
i went to school in the 80s 90s yes nothing has changed in that regard i guess my point should be that you need to be removed from school by at least a decade to realize how much of it was bullshit & a waste of time.

>>718415372
Red Dead 1 was one of my favorite games of all time. RDR 2 basically ruined Johns characterization in favor of this absolute fucking faggot Morgan. Fuck Rockstar.

>>718422474
RDR2’s story was just a retread of TLAD anyway

>>718421498
nobody welcomed you

>>718415246 (OP)
Nobody can convince me this game has a plot. No matter how I look at it, squint at it, even try to peal it back into allegorical territory. It's simply a disjointed stream of consciousness. Let's take a look at at the "first game," vs its "sequel."
>Red Dead Redemption
Your family is kidnapped because you were a former robinhood/bandit (game lets you decide which was factual to your background). So, you're tasked with killing/arresting your old gang while running into eccentric Wild West character you help on the side. Eventually, you rescue your family, but get betrayed. End Credits. Extremely easy to grasp story with no extrapolations necessary. Maybe you can pull on themes of the Wild West coming to an end and civilization not necessarily being a good thing. But, again that's subjective and doesn't impact the main story. Also, there's very subtle supernatural elements to the world.
>Red Dead Redemption (2, but actually it's 3)
You start off as a gang member with your gang fleeing from "something?" It's never clearly defined, could be federal authorities, could be private security, could be who knows. You end up growing the gang, fighting other gangs, constantly running (from again, nothing), attacking an industrialist who you got chasing after you despite running, constantly the need for money is stressed especially an old nest egg despite your gang not actually needing the money because you're more than capable of making it regardless of where you go or stealing what you need so why bother, and eventually your gang leader betrays you (sort of), and you decided you need to help out one specific member of your gang who probably needs the help the least of any of the members. Eventually you die in a pointless stand off. And, of course there further subplots of meandering lost connections, a sickness, and other shit that never connects with anything else. The game meanders about like a soap opera before coming to a flaccid and joyless ending.

>>718421741
He's basically Niko all over again.

>>718418452
That’s because 90% of /v/ and 99% of the people who hate this game haven’t. It’s more influencer opinion sponging because these retards have never had a non-parasocial relationship with anyone outside their immediate families. They genuinely believe they’ve played the game because someone else online did. Don’t hate them, just pity them for how pathetic they are. Btw, RDR2 is a masterpiece and I’ve cared about few other fictional characters and much as I did Arthur.