Thread 718429598

You were right /v/ it was a great game, hopefully the sequel is just as good

it isn't

It's not as good but it's still pretty good.

1 was way more prototype and it had a lot more soul because of it, but 2's refinment does it a lot of credit.
Its a proper sequal.
Biggest flaw is how surface level the writing is. It do be kinda woke in some parts but theyre still good despite it.
Its made by leafs, after.

I liked the character designs of 1 a lot more and I think their need to include minorities mightve kinda subtracted from that a bit, but like youre a circus gypsy from a tatarian fauxromainia, so I guess its kinda whatever.... I just liked the camp dorks from 1 a lot. But theyre still alright, despite how disabled, gay, or strong and independently a black woman they might be.

>>718432761
Basically this. If it wasn't for the groundwork laid by the first game I'd never play the second because it just looks like troonslop. That said, it wasn't egregious and some of the comedy shined through despite the DEI circlejerking.

>>718429598 (OP)
>>718430008
>>718430189

For a sequel, it's more than decent.
THE ONE thing that I didn't like, it's that there's two male characters that are gay.
And they make sure to let you know it, but it's not subtle, it's quite on your face.
Everyone knows that doesn't change them as characters. So what's the point?

There is another couple (a male and and a female), but that's like a joke because the woman is very tall,
and the man is quite short.

>>718429598 (OP)
It isn't. It's not complete shit, but it's soulless. Biggest problem is the assassination of Raz's character.

>>718433214
And, what was the point of introducing all the intern/ students,
if they were going to barely matter?
They appear, but have barely any impact.

That scarecrow blue girl has a great design, but it's not used.
Make a game that's just her.

>>718433383
Yeah, it was a step down from 1's camp kids. The only ones good were Dogan's sister and the blue rocker girl (kind of). The rest are either annoying or bland or both.

>>718433214
He was waaaaay cockier in 1
I didnt play the vr game and i cant be assed to watch youtubers play games so idk what happened their, but I'd think that wouldve made him more confident. He was kind of a pussy. Also, this are we/arent we bullshit. Like, the first game used them declaring the boyfriend/girlfriendness as dramatic and comedic bits.

I feel like if anything the chick should have had more of a part in the game with raz because in the first she portrayed herself as being just autistically into the comics and spy mission stuff as he was but she just sat there pouting during a mole hunt and then showed up for the finale.
>>718433383
Maybe Raz's character assassination was the point. They were there to teach him humility by doing the underwear thing. Also, what the fuck was up with that? They never got their comueppance.

I was waiting for it. They did the clothes thing, then they got carded, and then saved by you instead of being punished, then they helped out in the final battle and all died, but they never showed the consequences of what happens when you die in someone's mind. I was expecting a scene where they were trying to celebrate victory but were all piss pants'd. It wouldve brought everything full circle. They embarrassed raz then raz saved them, so then they willing embarrassed themselves to help raz. IDK, maybe pisspants is a rating issue because everything is a fetish nowadays. I think it could have been a funny/touching scene for the final.
>>718433519
You dont like black british yoyo guy who just stands there doing nothing in front of clearly cut-content tvs?

>>718434554
Also lilly's plants.... the PLANTS. I was all the lmao she doin plant therapy haha the whole time but then THE PLANTS
IT ALL MADE SENSE

All in all it was a great twist. The mole hunt setup was fun because from the getgo you immediately start suspecting everybody. For me it was a twist because I didnt figure it out, but the clues were there. I fell for the obvious red herring, but even he is correct in a way, but once you realize the whole picture its just OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH IC

>>718434554
>I feel like if anything the chick should have had more of a part in the game with raz because in the first she portrayed herself as being just autistically into the comics and spy mission stuff as he was but she just sat there pouting during a mole hunt and then showed up for the finale.

Her father is basically in the hospital and she's a child.

>>718435306
a child out of 10

>>718429598 (OP)
I disliked it personally.
When everyone talks about how great this game is it's always the art style and humor but not the actual game, and playing it, I can see why.

It feels like half the levels have cool ideas but has one or two major fuck ups that make it obnoxious.

Nothing in 2 really comes close to waterloo or the milk man though. I think milk man wins by default just because waterloo commits one of my biggest game design petpeeves: using a mechanic only once in the entire game. Its the only level where you need to ledge grab, and only in one part. Why?

Milk man is great though. Theres tons of interaction and attention to detail in thst level, and the 4D mazelike nature of it is a blast to play around with the levitation. 11/10 level.

>>718435498
>coach tutorial
fine
>nein
tutorial 2, pretty shit
>levetation chick
tutorial 3 but kinda fun
>every level after
not designed for levitation and ut completely breaks the game

>>718429598 (OP)
Sequel is so much better it's wild

>>718430008
It is.

>>718432761
When was psychoanalysts never surface level?
>dead child orphan room
It was edgy, not deep. Just as edgy as Raz walking into a room with his grandparent's corpses in 2.

>>718429598 (OP)
The sequel feels like its missing an entire act in the story and has very little in the way of puzzles compared to the first. its not a bad game but its not a satisfying follow up to the first imo

>>718432761
>Its a proper sequal.
Eat a fat turd, its like someone forgot to add any great writing and characters that were the highlight of the first game.

>>718429598 (OP)
The sequel is better in some ways and worse in others.
It's more polished but they stripped out too many of the adventure game elements IMO. A lot more focused on the combat and platforming. Gameplay-wise most of the brains kinda blend together.
Still worth playing. Given the circumstances it could have been a LOT worse. I would play a third game if the devs took more risks.

>>718432761
give it to straight. How woke is the sequel

>>718441764
The only gay part is a flaming gay wedding cake in the mind of a gay man but this is a fake out because when you get closer to it it becomes a skull and it's a pretty kino transition.

The levels in 2 are way too linear, they feel like a theme park ride is rather then someones mind you freely explore. Not once did I not know what to do or where to go, unlike classic levels like Milkman Conspiracy or Waterloo World. Its like how Meat Circus was(just a straight line with no puzzles) but for every level.

The over world hub is really nice though.

>>718441764
Jack Black is gay and there are more black and brown people. Not as bad as it could have been all things considered.

Also Tim got woke in the sense that he felt the first game was offense to mentally ill people so this time the minds are really "safe", they don't really feel like they represent a crazy person, like how Boyd was a BASED Paranoid schizo or Gloria being Bipolar.

>>718442685
You got into the mind of a alcoholic with an abusive mother. And another that makes china look like a rat infested sweat shop industrial communist hell.

>>718441064
Microsoft famously does not allow the companies they acquire to make games.
They graciously allowed Doublefine to make Pyschonauts 2, but gave them the condition they have 2 weeks to finish it and ship it or they axe the whole project.

>>718442985
look anon i don't wanna defend microdicks, but this is doublefine we are talking about
really can't pretend that it's those evil suits that mismanaged the project, if anything doublefine was given much more grace compared to many other studios they own

>>718439183
it's not.

>>718429598 (OP)
I think the sequel is a good game. It's fun seeing the characters again, the platforming is more polished, and the powers feel a lot less clunky to use in general combat. I don't think it tops the original game's novelty though.

Psychonauts 1 had a way of making all of its worlds feel different for better and for worse. You got some clunkier stages as a result, but I feel like the messy creativity and the way it blended old point-and-click adventure game logic into things was a big part of its charm.

>>718442985
ah yes, because when doublefine had all the time in the world for broken age the game ended up being a masterpiece that is still talked about to this day. oh wait

it's alright
kinda preachy but it does its job

>>718442985
I hate Microsoft upper management as much as anyone, but in Psychonauts 2's case it might be one of the rare examples where they came in clutch for a small studio and let them finish their weird arthouse project.

Hard to imagine that the deal will pan out in the end when they're throwing darts at a board to decide what studios to shutter though.

>>718436009
something about the fist game levels scratches a part of my brain that second doesnt and I cant pin point exactly what it is

>>718429598 (OP)
Its good just in a different way which people mistake for being not as good

>>718443868
Theres things in them you actually have to figure outs whats going on with. Whats up with these paintings I can buy? How the fuck do I get the 3rd set to appear? Where the hell are the garden shears? Does "Out bullet shopping" mean I need to go find bullets or do other stuff and come back?

2 is some fun platforming but there aint much to think about. Its all pretty straight forward. The hub areas were real neato tho. It does what it does well, but it lacks that element from the first game's levels.

>>718443868

The first game has a better art direction.

>>718443664
>old point-and-click adventure game logic
for all the terrors of modernity — fully voiced dialogue, quips in every scene, one-off setpiece gimmicks — there really isn't anything matching the sheer breadth of psychonauts bits
suppose keyhunts are a relic of the past anyway, not much flavor from examining all the different keys

>>718429598 (OP)
It's even better actually.

>>718441764
>super duper gayness thats irrelevant to the point
>elite black britsh guy
>wheelchair dude
>strong independent black woman who dont need no man running the psychonauts
Wheelchair guy I give a pass because he's the nerdy build-your-own-radio kinda wheelchair kid and the nerd facrion is allowed wheels. I will also give black lady a pass because she's great and when you go explore her inner anxieties you find childlessness to be one of them. Shes not a mary sue and even uses her faults to help educate and guide razputin. And her suitcase has a sassy merit badge on it. One of the better characters in the game, desu.
Black british guy's content got cut so he just stands there staring at tvs all day.
The gay stuff... like... its alright if youre an experienced copium enthusiast.

sex with lizzie
her sister needs to be thoroughly deloused and then baked until ash

>>718443735
>kinda preachy
man, i didnt want to say it but it really is.
Like with bob(not even talking about the gayness) but its kinda just like haha, get over your entire lifetime of abandonment issues caused by everyone important to you abandoning you, and you plant some seeds and its a pixar film.

When the security guard got "fixed" in the first one he went and commited arson.

>>718433383
>>718433519
>>718444916
when she spooked raz near the forest, my dick twitched

>firmly believed psychic girls lay eggs
>only wanted to date one even more

>>718429598 (OP)
Do we need a third game and what are the chances we get one

>>718445275
so much plot threads in this game that go nowhere
you can feel they wanted to do more but they didn't
I do feel it the most with his senpai

>>718445480
Maybe a DLC, but I think it's run its course. Sometimes it's better to let things be and retire.

>>718445551
Why was this a plot hole? There were plenty of teenage crushes shown off by the end of the game between all the teenagers. That's just fluff.

>>718429598 (OP)
The levels in 2 didn't feel as distinct. There's one or two exceptions, but most of them looked very similar stylistically, and all of them are just platforming on large versions of normally small objects. The first game had a much stronger art direction and variety.
I also didn't like how wacky the real world was. It detracts from the mental worlds. The summer camp had it's wacky elements too, but they were generally more subdued and less in your face about it.
The interns should have been cut entirely and Lili should have had an active role.
I didn't like that literally important event in Psychonauts history ultimately ties back to Raz's family line. It makes the world seem so much smaller.
Also I'm pissed that the vital connective tissue between the two games was a VR game no one played.
Frazie best new girl.

>>718445624
not plot hole, plot threads, we follow the beginning of the story but there is no resolution
it just ends
for this one, they hint at it at certain points, with Gizu and her eyebrows but we don't see anything of it

>>718445480
I'd love a third game. I could see Otto returning as a villain. And there's more they could do with the unresolved tension between Raz and his siblings.

That said, it's basically a miracle that a full Psychonauts sequel actually happened so many years later and that it was as good as it was. I don't think I have it in me to hold my breath expecting another with Microsoft's blessing.

>>718444916
>strong independent black woman who dont need no man running the psychonauts

She's also only running the place because her boss is in a coma and makes it clear she doesn't want the job.

Also she takes some accountability for Raz messing up her mind because as the adult she should have paid more attention to the teens in her mind.

She could have just kicked him out and no one would have complained even Nein and Milla.

>>718433162
Its funny how you're a chud who takes issue with that and not that the last level has the subtext that the Romanov Family had it coming.

>>718445480
if theres a 3rd game they should refocus on the camp and have a new protag who is either the shy kind or just didnt want to go to camp and has decided to make that everyone elses problem. Raz can be the agent nein character either trying to reel in the trouble maker, or nervously go along with his theatrical over reactions to situations and slowly break out of his comfort zone.

Im not really interested in a agent raz game, tbqhfamalamdegozaru

>>718445923
>Oh what?
>For Crulluh made you a psychonutt?
>nuh-uh
>listen
>I dont care if you literally saved the world and a bunch of lobotomized children who under our care and then proceeded to save the head of the psychonutts
>you think just that make you a psychnut
>NooooOooOOooOooOOoooOOOOO SIR
>you gon work mail room

>>718429598 (OP)
Sequel is not as good but surprisingly still pretty good for something crowdfunded made nearly 20 years later

>>718446381
>the mail room
almost literally, cant make this shit up
just a nice segment where you gotta put the right color boxes in the right color holes
That is the game this is.

I do not remember the last time I've been as angry at a fictional character
I just wanted to see some nice father-son interactions with Raz's dad but this bitch had to ruin it

>>718433162
>THE ONE thing that I didn't like, it's that there's two male characters that are gay.

Not the annoying fucking intern arc and all the wasted dev time that went into it? I'd take twice as many homos if the front half of the game was as good as the back end.

The only thing 2 does is remind you that you missed out on young love and that's why it pisses some people off the way that it does.

>>718446070
this was pretty poor taste and was kind of a sour note
Is tim jewish?

>>718446728
cool it with the antisemitism

ROFLOLMFAO

Better story, but everything else is much worse. The only levels that were memorable to me were the library one and the gay wedding one because of how cringy it was.

>>718443291
>>718442985
They're on record saying without Microsoft the game wouldn't have even had boss fights.

One big problem is pre-acquisition they wasted a ton of development time on the Lady Luctopus setting. They did a ton of work on stuff for it that ended up being scrapped because it just didn't work or sucked. That's why in game it feels like this giant setpiece that's barely used.

>>718441764
They turn it into a whole thing where whacky schizos you can laugh at aren’t a thing and it’s all about trauma and being respectful. It’s like the first game if it was written by a hyper sensitive retard on SRIs.

>>718447331
Certified emetophobe here (emetophobia is an extreme, irrational fear of vomit). The sound of someone gagging is enough to send me on the way to a panic attack. Mostly just commenting to say that this is actually a thing I appreciate content warnings for. They're rare, though. That being said, it doesn't bother me that much in video games unless it's done in a particularly unsettling or realistic way.

>>718447696
do you also feel it with onomatopoeia?

>>718442685
>that he felt the first game was offense to mentally ill people so this time the minds are really "safe", they don't really feel like they represent a crazy person
Right? Forsythe was completely correct in not wanting fresh children to go on a dangerous mission with an active intel leak also occurring. She's dealing with an inconvenience at best. Ford is the only one dealing with anything worse than mild depression that could have been fixed by just not splitting up the gang. All this shit could be solved by hanging out with your pals once or twice in 20 years. It never feels like you have a real reason to poke about in anyone's mind besides Ford's and then Nona's at the end. Also Cassie and Bob were literally right down the street from HQ but no one has seen them in years? Fuck off. Compton says there's too many voices in his head with three bees in the room but his level is a tv show out of nowhere and doesn't have an overactive loud audience or anything to resemble auditory hallucinations? The stakes feel so low when Raz realistically could have had conversations with these guys to progress vs. the actual crazies being obstacles because they are literally not in touch with reality in the first game.
The timeline also doesn't make a ton of sense given that it's been 20 years since the battle with Maligula and Ford says he was young, but now the whole psychic 7 looks like they're well into advanced age. It would make way more sense if it was like 40 years ago especially since Augustus would probably have been a child when Ford swapped out his mom.
>>718446728
They really missed out on an opportunity for great father son time. The interns were definitely one of the worst parts of the game but this bitch takes the cake.

>>718446381
Ford is a madman 90% of the time and no one outside of Milla and Nein humor him.

Have Milla and Nein even reported on Raz? No one seems to know he did anything more then tag along.

>>718436009
Waterloo is the worst level though

>>718447791
>Compton says there's too many voices in his head with three bees in the room but his level is a tv show out of nowhere and doesn't have an overactive loud audience or anything to resemble auditory hallucinations?

Its a cooking competition anon

Compton feels like people are always staring at him, judging him and just not saying how much they don't like him.

>>718445232
>When the security guard got "fixed" in the first one he went and commited arson.

That's because you didn't "fix" him, you accidentally released the "Milkman" persona that Oleander had programmed into his brain in advance to burn down the asylum to cover his tracks.

Ultimately the lamest part of Psychonauts 2 is that it's a "don't meet your heroes" story that's about how the Psychonauts suck and always sucked and was founded by a bunch of loser assholes. Some aspects of the story are pretty good but that isn't what people wanted after years of buildup. But for whatever reason all the old LucasArts people like Ron and Tim just have this incredible need to spite their fans.

>>718448075
tbf the Original 6 were all mentally fucked after the Lucy incident, but they were still pretty cool in the final battle. Definitely would've enjoyed it a lot more if they were chad superpsychic sentai heroes from the get go though

>>718445275
He should date Frazie

>>718447791
>Also Cassie and Bob were literally right down the street from HQ but no one has seen them in years?

Well they went to rot in the old HQ complex in the Gulch which is explicitly cut off from the outside world by Ford's psychic barriers, and Ford shattered his mind, so nobody had any way past the barriers (except the founders who presumably knew their way through). They could have come out to see people themselves but they WANTED to be isolated in there.

>>718448185
that woulve been good but instead we got raz: therapist instead

>>718448003
Worst level is definitely the opera or whatever one.

>>718439295
The "edge" of it was never what made the writing good retard. If you can't understand why 1's writing towers over 2's, then you are part of the reason standards don't exist anymore.

>>718448434
hands down

>>718446728
>She's intentionally annoying and shit, so that makes it okay
No, devs, it doesn't. You can have a character be a bitch and still have some charm to them, like in the first game with the two girls who shit on Raz.

>>718446949
1 was a beter representation of that, tbqh.
There it was just horny kids which is reality if youre not uggo. The horniest people in the planet are in middle school.
Like when they go to meet by the lake and she was all
>I just wanted to make out but saving the world is so much cooler
and raz just completely forgets about saving the world and goes
>hol up
>making out...
>that was on the table?
It was neat and their affections felt... childish. They kissed, they called eachother their girlfriend/boyfriend. It was cute. Raz was a cirus kid who ran away and crashed the psychonauts camp, he was certified cool.

Fast forward to 2, and suddlenly the roguish kid who daringly ran away from home and broke into some C-psi-A indoctrination facility and managed to woo the gal with his brash adventurous world-saving attitude is suddenly all "oooh, idk.. are we? arent we? I mean we kissed... but as a man I need a woman's consent to feel validated." and then " oh no, Im stuck in my underwear!!!" and its just like good fuck man...
What happened to ya?

>>718447054
>>718446070
Grulovia is a tiny country (that was probably being invaded by the Soviets to begin with) and the Maliks are not the Romanovs. They also didn't die, they had to flee because their Rasputin-expy went fucking nuts and started flooding the entire country after the dam accident.

Did I missed anything?
Why in the end of the first game, his father just get into the brain & even teach Raz how to use powers.
And then in the 2nd game, his father became a lame useless fuck that needs to learn from 0?

/pol/ said the psychonauts series is for sòyboys. Is that true or were they lying to me?

>>718450119
Yeah it feels like a bit of a retcon. Based on the ending of the first game alone I assumed that Augustus was a fully capable psychic who just kept his capabilities hidden, while in 2 he's only learning rookie basics.

I guess you can write it off as him just finally accepting real training on new techniques and the like after keeping his abilities repressed for so long. We never really see him use his powers in the real world in the first game.

>>718451157
They said in 2 he did that because of their emotional connection.

>>718433162
>There is another couple (a male and and a female), but that's like a joke because the woman is very tall, and the man is quite short.
I don't think Cassia and Compton are a couple, you can find a copy of Compton in Cassia's Mind Library and he just refers to them as being best friends, and the end cutscene just shows them holding hands and supporting each other like friends do

>>718433383
it's worth it just to have Sam Boole in the game, the scenes of her torturing animals in the pancake store are fucking hilarious

>>718450848
1 is kino chudcore with literally me schizo milkmen, 2 has some woke characters but it's not too bad and is still definitely worth playing

2 got some good visuals :)

>>718429598 (OP)
I wanted to play it for the first time just now on the steam deck but apparently making it work properly on it is a headache so I'll use my pc

There's not a huge amount of art of them but I like it when I see it.

>>718454965
what the hell timeskip Lili??

>>718430008
I thought it was pretty good, it did the series a service as a sequel. I liked the twist with the main villain

>>718429598 (OP)
It's pretty good for what it is, it's not like Shenmue 3.

>>718454906
It's not that hard. You can use the steam guide THAT I WROTE AND VALVE LITERALLY REMOVED AND SOMEONE ELSE HAD TO ARCHIVE AAAAA and it runs great!

>>718429598 (OP)
1. I had to cheat, no way was I gonna collect all of those pink things by mashing buttons half to death with that rod. No way was I gonna level up the powers by tedious grinding.

2. The writing isn't that good. Tedious. The Milkman level wasn't genious, quite boring. The gameplay also feels off, uncomfortable movement.

3. Tedious and boring final boss.

Generous Final Score: 6/10.

>>718455486
It actually was you? I downloaded the widescreen fix but the files inside were different from the tutorial and I didn't know what to do with them

>>718455904
I wrote the original version. The current version is someone elses based on mine. The instructions still work.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3248471960

>>718455904
>>718456238
the widescreen fix zip should have:
a scripts folder with Psychonauts.WidescreenFix.asi and Psychonauts.WidescreenFix.ini in it.

and dinput8.dll.

>>718456238
How did I mess up yeah, I downloaded it again and it's all there, I was confused earlier because all I had was the dinput8 file, thanks! Playing a game like this would be so much more comfortable on a handheld

>>718456238
Ok important question if you're still there, the download has a folder called "scripts" but the game has a folder called "Scripts" should the contents go into that folder or or are both "scripts" and "Scripts" folders separate?

I never played Psychonauts back in the day but I bought a Series S a few years back and played through it on Gamepass. This level with the milkman might be the best level design in any platformer. Absolutely killed my sides with
>I am the milkman. My milk is delicious

>>718458206
>The level is the best
>Also mention the thing that have absolutely nothing to do with the level

>>718429598 (OP)
>hopefully the sequel is just as good
It's not. Raz is a completely different and highly annoying awkward & insecure character even though it takes place hours after 1.
All the levels / level themes are worse than any from 1.
The main plot is about gay romance.
All the writing is pic related now and none of it is funny.

>>718462043
And the overworld sucks, the atmosphere is gone and the characters from 1 barely do anything after the tutorial.