Thread 718439262

this terrifies lil zoomies

>>718439262 (OP)
Why did this genre die out?

I love Q3 but I think random weapons in maps is op. This is something DOOM 2016 mp did well which is having loadouts.

unc reliving the fading memories

where that Halo 3 Dew nigga?

>>718439427
Game budgets ballooned and publishers and developers doubled down on pandering to the lowest skill denominator, as the 'general target audience' broadened further.

If this game came out in 2025, /v/ would call this gameplay "ADHD zoomer bullshit"

>>718439427
People can't handle getting dunked on constantly by veteran players

>>718439262 (OP)
people complain about zoomer adhd games as if this shit isnt exactly the same

>>718439262 (OP)
OP has never played Quake 3.

>make z-shooter
>nobody plays it

>>718439262 (OP)
AAAAAAIEEEEEE NOOOOOOOO NOT 1V1 NOOOOOOOOO WHERES MY TIKTOK FORTNITE DANCE

NOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOON OOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>718439262 (OP)
You say this as if their adderall-pumped ass wouldn't push your "veteran" shit in within just a few hours

>>718439440
>random weapons in maps
The fuck are you on about? Aside from mods or maybe some server setting, weapons are fixed spawns.

>>718440229
Online competitive games are massively popular and matchmaking is so cancer that getting dunked on by veteran players or giga smurfs is unavoidable. Or even better, cheaters in every few matchs (Apex, Valo, CS...)

>>718440229
At least 3 fighting games every year manage to keep a fanbase healthy enough to have the matchmaking hook you up with someone within seconds, RTS games heavily favor experience and knowledge of the units, factions, etc and still rack up large amounts of players. Both of these genres require a certain amount of time to be spend practicing stuff and learning the systems and they still attract more players than arena shooters, so it cant be that they are new player repelant because of boomers who havent done anything besides playing Quake 3 for decades in their lives.
>>718440325
>>718439894
No but its okay for /v/ because instead of using one button for awesome you use 3 buttons for awesome

>>718439262 (OP)
>terrifies
No it doesn't? Looks pretty cool to me

>>718440325
>Anything that requires fast reaction time is for zoomers xDDD
>They are not profound like me, playing slow turn based JRPG's with dogshit combat and 70 hours of talking in circles AI generated story slop!

>>718439427
Nobody actually liked playing it.

>>718439427
>AAA won't touch it because it's not popular enough
>can't really fill up an 8-16 player server at indie scale
>anything in the middle is vc boomer invested live service slop (splitgate, diabotical)
>everyone is just going to keep playing TF2 anyway

>>718440660
you can't get dunked on as hard as in an arena shooter by some guy who's played 9999 years and knows every pick up timing and spawn point by heart

>>718439427
Sometimes I dream about Epic actually sticking to their plan on updating UT every year like they said they would.
Unreal Tournament 2003 with 22 years of content updates.

>>718439262 (OP)
i miss the original quake rocket arena and quake world team fortress more

unc I can do this in TF2 while not having to deal with ugly graphics

>>718439427
The reason why is because they focus way too heavily on just the esports competitive side of it. You need that AND the more fun "casual" side. It's where modding and experimentation comes in, and how you end up with other games like Team Fortress which was a Quake 3 mod.

>>718439262 (OP)
>rocket/clan arena
no, that doesn't scare them. that is literally all the newer players even want to play because it reminds them of counter strike

terrified all the boomies too since no one is playing arena shooters anymore.

What happened to substance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b18Va6bl1Q4

>>718439427
Because it's boring compared to other more realistic shooters that started coming out in the late 90's and early 00's like Medal of Honor Allied Assault, Battlefield 1942, Call of Duty, and Halo.

>>718439262 (OP)
>rocket arena
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

>>718439262 (OP)
uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

>>718439262 (OP)
Oh yeah, did quake con start yet? Did this get announced?

>>718443106
Would it be legal to bring all the assets into UE5?

>>718439427
It's fun for 2 hours total, then you get bored with it and never play again

>>718439262 (OP)
pwned

>>718446191
i know we're discussing a game from before many of you were born but was this removed in UT2004? even though it says UT2004 at the end there I have no memory of it (don't know why the title says 2003 and the video itself says 2004). maybe it was promo material for UT2004?

>>718446429
i doubt that but maybe they don't care

i always wondered if Epic got any money from Valve for using the UT2004 announcer voices in Dota 2. the "Mega Kill" voices and so on

>>718440660
nuh uh those games require secure boot now so there's no cheaters

>>718446760
Actually i am as confused as you are about it.

>>718439262 (OP)
I saw a wooter in the wild a little bit ago. felt weird.

>>718439725
Sexy cosplay, but if a 10y old does it it's even more hot.

>>718439427
not on consoles
not casual enough
and not enough superplay mlg edit that anyone can understand

>>718439262 (OP)
um why

>>718439440
??????????????????????????????

Quake is so fun, the lightning gun may be the most satisfying FPS gun ever created

>>718447270
Q1 thunderbolt>q3 lightning gun

Are any of these games alive now? I don't care if I get stomped by veterans.

>>718439427
>go to lan parties in the 00s
>no one wants to play quake or ut anymore
>all they want to do is play dota or wow

>>718446760
>>718446885
started UT2004 and there are cutscenes, took pic related just now.
maybe the one in the video is taken further in and not really the intro.

>>718439262 (OP)
I like Q3A and UT2K but I only enjoy them in a day 1 kind of way when people haven't figured out and completely optimized everything. I want to play them like a regular arena shooter and not a bunch of models flying across my screen at 10000 units per second. UT2K doesn't have this problem but instead they have a shock combo spamming problem. Imagine playing CS and the entire server is abusing awps, that's the same feeling.

>>718446760
>>718446849
This is the UT2003 intro, but played in UT2004, where they changed the logo at the end.
2004 is basically a DLC for 2003, and has the content of both, it has 2 campains with 2 intros.

>>718439427
no way to translate the movement in quake to controller, or at least they didn't try. Commented here on that before.

>>718448090
UT2003 the better intro and box art

>>718439427
It's all about reaction speed and no actual thinking or strategy required, unlike LoL or dota

>>718439262 (OP)
I was going to post a "this terrifies boomers" with a video of some fortnite quick building, but I'm too lazy to find a gif so just imagine it in your head, get mad, and reply as if there was a video. Thanks.

>>718448146
game played very well on dreamcast retard zoomzoom

>>718447606
or CS

>>718448090
im in 2004 right now, i have it installed. i can't find 2 campaigns, are you sure about that?

tried instant action and clicked this space ship map, never actually tried that map before. only heard about it.

>>718439427
Realistically? Grinding out time to learn how to actually do the movement, and then slowly implementing it more and more into your gameplan makes pretty girl pussy dry up.
No one wants to put the effort out to learn something they won't make money for. Going 343 m/s, while aiming, while dodging, while keeping track of powerups, while memorizing gun locations is a massive mental stack.
It's a daunting ask for any new player, and most people don't posses the ability to sacrifice current gains for larger further gains. That doesn't click for most people, and is only getting worse with the thirdies shitting up the place. Especially since they're of the belief that cheating in games is not only required, but the only way to really play.

>>718448496
Thank ranked matchmaking instead of keeping public servers a thing. Play with your friends with people on your level for fun, but now everyone has to be ZoomBoomTTVcocksuckfaggot

>>718448315
hey (You), didn't fortnite zoomies like it when they removed building?

>>718448567
(I) wouldn't know, I don't play games, I just ragebait on 4chan all day.

>>718448605
you're not doing a particularly good job at it for a full time occupation, not even finding the gif (which i assume is a webm)

>>718439427
movement tech in shooters absolutely terrifies normalfags

>>718448484
I really don't remember. Maybe you can just watch the 2003 intro in a menu or something, or maybe you need to finish 2004 to unlock it. But it's in here somewhere

>>718439427
CS and console shooters took over.

>>718448484
Oh my god my mind had completey forgotten about the spaceship assault in 2k4. This shit was so cash.

>>718439262 (OP)
works on my machine

>>718439427
Are these posts ragebait and I'm falling for it, what the fuck are some of these anons saying?
>>718446236
>>718448240
>>718441092
>>718446609

>>718448724
Please don't tell my boss, I don't want to be fired!

>>718439427
The gamer skill requirement was simply too high.

>>718448902
it's ok as long as you remember the Australian map

>>718439262 (OP)
You know the most interesting concept of how arena shooter movement tech manifested into a modern shooter shooter was Return to Castle Wolfenstein multiplayer. And Enemy Territory on that note.

>>718439427
>review sites complain about having to learn to play the game/play the game
>game companies get psyoped into dumbing games down
>new generations are raised on “mobile games” that aren’t games but slot machines
>genuine mobile games die out as a result
>new generations and current generations of gamers play dumbed down games
>now you have a multigenerational batch of idiots who can’t read, can’t learn, can’t play, and zero social attention span coupled with a shitty economy due to corrupt politicians
And thus, we have this soulless era of dumbed down games. Dumbed down doesn’t mean casual/laid back, it literally means dumbed down. Don’t make me post the bioshock puzzle meme or the constant use of yellow paint

TLDR; the reviewer industry ruined everything

>>718449248
free2play ruined everything.
very few buy a mobile game for 5 USD.
this ended up with everybody making ad-ridden experiences or predatory practices to get whales to spend money.

>>718439262 (OP)
I never got into Quake 3, but I played the shit out of Dusk's multiplayer.

>>718449248
>blaming reviewers for what corporations are doing for other industries
Unironic retard.

>>718439427
the gameplay is too simple and basic compared to basically every fps that came after it
>muh tech
yes it has complex mechanics, but people dont really want that. they want gun loadouts, bigger maps that are not arenas. they want cars to drive in, they want something other than basically the same old same basicly gameplay of picking up a rocket launcher.

>>718449670
UT2004 had cars, hovercraft, tanks, and even helicopters.
god that is such a good game.

>>718445318
Quake and quake tf was the most fun i ever had playing online games and nothing will ever top it.

>>718439427
Solo based gameplay that puts all of the pressure on you and your own skillset. It's the same reason why RTS games died out and MOBAs took over, it's also why CS is still around and all these games that shared the market with it 25 years ago are not.

Another point is that as gaming has gone more mainstream it brings the overall skill level of players down, which means today 95% of the gaming playerbase is to shit to be able to enjoy a game like Quake, they can barely handle animal crossing.

>>718439262 (OP)
i don't get it, what are they supposed to be terrified of here?

Have you played a game like Battlefield lately? I'm surprised most of the people playing it can tie their shoes, there's no way any modern player could enjoy an arena shooter because they lack the motor skills and/or brain power to do so.

>>718450302
i mean yeah exactly thats the genre evolving from quake 3. and correct me if im wrong, but didnt a lot of people back then also think quake 3 was basic compared to UT?

>>718446236
The games you mentioned are boring, go fuck yourself

>>718439262 (OP)
Shit games terrify everyone. You can go fast like this in fortnite and dominate everyone too but zoomers love it.

>>718439262 (OP)
I'm 32 and this doesn't look fun or enjoyable at all. FPS's are for fags though

>>718449670
>they want gun loadouts, bigger maps that are not arenas.
RTCW somewhat solved this issue in a way. It resembled the faster gameplay of arena in some ways, but with big sprawling maps with multiple objectives.

>>718439262 (OP)
Why are these retards not dying from their own rockets?

Why do guys smoke me on this game but then they are Silver 3 in CSGO?

>>718439427
We all started playing Halo which was far slower then Call of Duty 4 which is Call of Duty.

>>718441376
How is that worse than a spinbot with a scout?

>>718439427
Halo was the beginning of the end popularizing FPS console sensibilities like low weapon count, slower walk speed, and vehicles

>>718439262 (OP)
The quake competitive scene was boring even back then. Most people preferred casual/gimmick servers and game modes and didn't tryhard with movement exploits like a crossdressing speedrunner. I don't play Fortnite, but I'll bet it's a closer match to what most of MP shooter servers were like back then than this garbage. The main thing that bothers me about modern games is just the lack of private servers, over-commercialization and censorship. Players still just want to have fun.
UT99 was better than Quake 3

It was an eye-opening day when I realized controlling spawn timers was arguably more important than actual shooting in high-level Quake.

>>718451015
Our era wasn't arena FPS. Our era was Halo and CoD. Most 32 year olds might have played UT2004 or Timesplitters or something but really these genres were for teenages from the 90's.

would be better without the rocket launcher

>>718440229
The only times i enjoyed playing q3 was when I was getting dunked on by better players.
Honestly it's fucking boring to rip lower skilled players to shreds, it's like stealing candy from a baby.
It amazes me how badly people wet themselves over beating cripples nowadays.

>>718450745
i just thought Quake and UT had different goals at the time.
looking at when Q3 was released it was in 1999, i thought it was closer to 2002. the game was a little older than i remembered.
the vehicles in UT2004 was just one of the game modes so it doesn't feel precisely right to say it evolved when most of the game modes didn't have vehicles.

this terrifies old boomies

>>718451331
This played a huge part in it for certain, Halo did to the FPS genre what an asteroid did to the dinosaurs. It's mind boggling today that people think that using a controller to play a fps game is in any way acceptable.

>>718439894
They might and they'd be retarded for it. "ADHD zoomer bullshit" shares no characteristics with Q3's movement (either cpm or vq3) aside from it being "movement tech."

>>718451709
Slow as fuck. This was impressive in 2019 maybe

>>718451709
This was really fun before they nerfed everything that was able to make building not as strong as possible IE double pump. I also really miss when games weren't so huge they didn't get solved to a degree that makes them unfun. Quake is solved to a degree where it's actually not that fun. I like fast paced arena shooters but joining a server to get jibbed over and over again when I spawn is not fun for anyone but the guy doing it. Duels are okay but I don't see myself sitting around doing that for hours. I really wish there were more games that existed in the balance that had a focus on fun but weren't brain dead and completely random.

>>718451819
the bhopping in OP wasn't particularly exceptional either, its less about the exact specific gifs and moreso the existence of these high skill ceiling mechanics. Which have existed in older games and continue to exist in newer ones too.
The real disappointment is just that we don't have MORE high skill ceiling games, theyre as few as they were back then for the most part.

>>718451842
not sure if you know but double pumping was half brought back in the most recent season of modern fortnite. Might be worth checking out if you want to relive the golden days a little bit :3

>>718451943
This is a lie. There are tons of high skill gaming bullshit out there right now. The issue is, so many people put such ridiculous amounts of hours in it the level of skill you need to do anything impressive raises exceedingly quickly. People get very very good at games now very very quickly and that makes people treat things that in the past that would of been seen as impressive as "easy." Higher level gameplay of Apex Legends, CS2, or SF6 are all impressive, even when compared to their old counter parts, but it's just so routine and spammed in our faces that we don't appreciate it. Even worse we all witness it in the context of SBMM so strategies people participate in are often the optimal strategy and not the one that makes for the best gifs.

>>718451709
You took my fucking job, I hope you're happy.

>>718439427
too hard high skill cap and too unrealistic of a settings. things like cs/cod/bf took off because it appealed to more people were easier to get good at

>>718439262 (OP)
>WE WANT QUAKE BACK
*gulp BUT NOT LIKE THAT!!!

Also Champions did nothing wrong.

>>718439262 (OP)
no? zoomers fucking love modern boomer shooters like Ultrakill and rocket jumping games like tf2

>>718451709
Use this one next time

>>718446760
cool beach

captcha: GAY0P

>>718439262 (OP)
>w00t
In the deep places of the earth lurk horrors yet more ancient than this...

>>718452208
Doom eternal is nothing like quake, deathmatch and slayer fight or whatever it's called couldn't be more different.

>>718439427
medium-functioning autistic 133ts who only speak Turkish or Russian rekking n00bs and then copypasting annoying kill messages nobody can even read into the chat tends to drive away new players
giting gud at quake 3-style jumpy fast-paced shooters is an autistically difficult grind in terms of length of time and study required
then there's the issue of teenage boys with undescended testicles cheating, and yeah, they died

>>718451591
Quake 3 had unreal - pause to appreciate pun - graphics for its time, especially with a 3dfx card, so it looks better than a lot of games that came out 3-4 years later

>>718452107
I guess I was mostly referring to high skill ceiling in a way that feels truly transformative. Obviously comp exists for any first person game but high level cs2 gameplay just looks like paranoia-extreme mode with cracked aiming.
Its not like the difference between walking around slowly in an arena shooter shooting rockets from afar while standing still vs bhopping from 1 end of the map to the other and 1 hitting players as you pass them by with the rail gun.

>>718452772
I get what you are saying, but competitive CS does look drastically different than even high level pubs. It's the same for most games. I think it might be more accurate to say, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you want a high skill game that focuses primarily on movement as the methodology of skill rather than strategy or something, correct? Because even Apex, which has "movement" tech, is nothing compared to even Titanfall, because the movement isn't powerful enough to overcome the gunplay, so people naturally end up turtling as the optimal strategy regardless of skill queue. If so, I would agree, though I wouldn't want instajibs spawns like in quake.

>>718439262 (OP)
Lmao is this ovo or ahx posting themselves? I swear no one will randomly go and make webs of kicked and removed e7 or w/e it was called

zoomies hate this because they all play with aim assist and aimbots

>>718452208
>trying to turn quake into a hero shooter is totally fine
Lel
There's a reason why the genre is dead and the only games still in play are artificially propped up by gigantic corporations too big to fail because of government collusion.

>>718439427
because whiny hardcore gamers are the minority and don't buy games

>>718452772
The argument I will make is higher skill games allow for lower skilled players to find ways to stay competitive. In Fortnite for example you don't have be a mechanically gifted player to win tournaments. For example you can win high level tournaments with game sense, hiding, spraying with AR, playing heal off etc. With more options it allows players to find more ways to exploit the game. With CS there is no exploit. You are either absolutely insane or you are worthless. There is no inbetween. You cannot be professional without being insane mechanically.

>>718453518
all you need is TOWERS

>>718453518
Puss4 haha

>>718439427
You had to actually be good at it.

>>718439427
>Why did this genre die out?
>>718439262 (OP)
>this terrifies lil zoomies
truth bomb: it gets boring after 10 minutes. it's that simple. we came up with better online games.

>>718443106
>Sometimes I dream about Epic actually sticking to their plan on updating UT every year like they said they would.
>Epic bad
lol UT was supposed to be a community led project. the truth is that literally no one cared.

>>718439427
It was mostly focused around 1v1s, just like RTS games. Zoomers get anxiety attacks from playing 1v1.

>>718439262 (OP)
I've been itching to play Quake Live again, but when I install and launch the game it looks like pic related. And no, I can't click on settings try to to fix anything, it's just frozen. Can someone PM me the fix?

>>718439262 (OP)
Projectiles in FPS are so much more fun than hitscan. It's a shame that all modern FPS forgot about the former.

>>718454137
sent ;)

>>718451591
>different goals
Yeah Quake was the pure compsweat DM game and UT was the party shooter with a great selection of objective based team modes and more extensive modding. Obviously both could also do the other to an extent but this was the basic distinction.

>>718439894
I know I would. It was shit then and it's shit now. Shooting rockets at your feet for speed and jumping boosts was always so lame and cheesy. I always preferred shooter games like Raven Shield.

>>718453518
We didn't know how good we had it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M0MOfRxI7g


The youth of today knows only fortnite and CoD.

>>718454137
if you are launching on steam try and set the resolution in your launch options

>>718439262 (OP)
Given no one plays that shit I'd say it terrifies ol booms as well.

>>718454472
UT3 was shit.

I am 100% sure the people who make these threads don't actually play Quake or Unreal

>>718454684
There are like 3 Chicago servers that are always popping. Just don't play SnD (or whatever the boomers call it), cuz they take that shit wayyy to seriously and will flame you for not having 10000 hours. Some L4D2 Multiplayer tier shit. Freeztag servers are always chill though.

>>718453478
It's not a hero shooter but disguised as one to get people back into arena games and modding.
Delightfully devilish.

>>718454797
noone plays quake or unreal anymore besides the people paying rent with quack hampions like rapha

>>718455067
there's a small community of boomers playing
even in Australia you can find a game during peak time

>>718455113
one single game? damn

>>718455067
incorrect, the online boomer is the irradiated cockroach of the internet
you would be amazed at what platforms and games are still going out there

>>718439427
It amplifies skill gaps, which massively reduces the range of players you can have a fun game against. A skill gap that would result in a 2:1 kd in a modern military shooter would result in a 40:0 stomp in quake.

That's great when you're a bit above average and want an ego trip from stomping shitters, but it's not good for maintaining a viable playerbase.

>>718439262 (OP)
>clan arena

>>718439725
Damn that reflection looks like absolute unit took that picture.

>>718439427
The hadrcore boomer playerbase gatekeeps so hard so Quake live will never get new blood

Yes, all zoomers are terrified of the tale
of the game that's so OLD
no one can remember it's
NAME!

AHHHHHH

For me, it's Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. This is where FPS peaked IMO. Just the right amount of arcade nonsense for "l33t fr4gg3rs" mixed in with excellent maps and team based tactics.

>>718451819
>>718451842
then obviously you're very highly ranked in fortnite, if it's so easy?

Is anyone else sick of how many false narratives are being pushed by LE HARDCORE gamer faggots?
I see it constantly, "young people don't want to get good, they'd get filtered, young people don't want to be challenged" etc, yet in reality they love hard games, they love getting good, just like we did
But there's this weird push to make this "us and them" stance, as to what end, I don't know, but I see it constantly. Like with arcade people claiming young people hate arcade games, despite NES Tetris players being super young, and me having seen tons of young people in the arcade

>>718454797
What? It's especially the people making these threads that play them.

>>718439262 (OP)
I had more for in Unreal tournament with combogib and grapple.
Nowadays I just play whatever arcade shooter feels fast, Natural Selection 2 on Alien is really quick

>no lobbies
/v/ does not play games

>>718455279
Does this have any of the occult or advanced tech stuff Wolfenstein is known for?

>>718452551
that said, there is demand for crack jumpy fast-paced shooters in a singleplayer sense. I think thats what ultrakill was (I never was able to watch more than 5 seconds of gameplay without hurling though)
>>718455273
>and then... unc booted up his computer and started some old aah game...
>the graphics were straight doo doo dog water... the level geometry was all jagged, skull emoji...
>and when I tried the controls...
>...THEY WERE CLUNKY!!!

>>718439427
Because COD was better at the jumping around and shoot in a target's general direction like a spastic ADHD child genre.

I remember 1v1ing my friend with rockets only in Q3DM17, we were pulling of complete BS shots. Fun game, fun times, glad zoomers will never EVER be able to taint it cause it's dead.

>>718455487
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view) no. But for the sake of the argument, those elements could be easily created in certain maps for example as map objectives, visual aesthetic etc.

>>718455364
people who post 15 year old webms of a game no one's actually played in 20+ are not engaging in honest discussion?

>>718455364
Where do you live that there are still video arcades and people talk about them?
I have never heard people criticizing the zoomies and iPad babies for not playing arcade games because arcades are way off most people's radar, something nostalgic from the days before N64 and the Voodoo 1 brought arcade-quality gaming into our homes
Obviously the games that are out there now are different and I don't doubt that they want to be good at them, though fwiw the normies in their early 20s I meet at werk say the only games they really play are on Roblox

>>718439894
and yet

>>718455626
I'm lucky enough to live in a city that has a proper arcade, with real arcade games and not that ticket shit, but I see the sentiment everywhere
Of course they always have an out, because first they claim modern gamers don't play hard games, then when pointed out hard games modern gamers play, those games don't count has hard
It's exhausting

>>718454797
Can't say about quake, but you can still find UT games runing.

>>718439262 (OP)
If you don't think that this is exactly what zoomers like, you've never heard of Ultrakill.

>>718439262 (OP)
WOOP

>>718455607
The devs had the opportunity to leverage Wolfenstein's unique setting to give players cool sci-fi guns or let you fight other players in strange locations like a spooky gothic castle but instead just made another WW2 shooter? Why did they do this?

>>718449140
>NEED A MEDIC
>IM A SOLDAT

>>718446760
>i always wondered if Epic got any money from Valve for using the UT2004 announcer voices in Dota 2. the "Mega Kill" voices and so on
Apparently not, i believe valve hired the same guy and rerecorded all the lines

>>718449140
Best fps game ever made.

>>718448496
You'd think aiming and would be pretty basic stuff that people would learn just by playing games.

>>718456002
I don't know. Regardless, my opinion still stands. The game is excellent, it plays smoothly, has a clear balance between individual skill and teamwork (having room for both), some of the maps are 10/10 in terms of design (both the original 6 and fan made classics like Venice)
Overall it's a really solid shooter that stands the test of time, given the fact that it has a active community to this day almost 20 years later.

>>718439427
Because devs didn't bother to include campaign modes or at least decent background lore for their games because John Carmack claimed stories in games aren't important. So they got annihilated in the market by stuff like Halo where the devs actually put good worldbuilding and decent stories into their games.

Many such cases.

>>718456309
That is an excellent point actually, if I'm not mistaken Carmack specifically compared videogame plots to plots in porn flicks: "People except it to be there, but nobody gives a fuck about it."
Even if the point he is trying to make which is that raw gameplay is by FAR most important things about videoGAMES, neglecting fluff completely is foolish. This is one of the few rare cases he was just straight up wrong, and proven so down the line.

>>718439725
id rob that little queer if I saw them irl

>>718455279
ET legacy is still active

>>718456986
I know, I played it for a bit. But there wasn't any really good server options at the time atleast. They were either full, plastered over with nonsense custom assets regarding UI etc. or to large
>What do you mean too large?
ET works best as around 6v6, 7v7, or maybe even 8v8, but anything above that and the game turns into a non cohesive meat grinder

And last but not least, most players still playing are the types of people who have played since launch, all the way to this day or complete fodder; so matches tend to be extremely one sided.
Even if the game itself is excellent to this day, the systems could use a facelift, alongside a massive injection of new players.

>>718439262 (OP)
I never played Q3A mulitplayer but I spent ages just roaming the halls in singleplayer as a kid
something about the headbob and the movement was so pure and videogamey that I could never get enough
is Quake Champions alive? I might try it out

>>718439427
>Mouselook takes off, enabling much greater gameplay options for PC games after the mid-90s
>Investment bubble into console gaming because DVD players lol
>Console controllers can't aim at things, look at things or move very fast
>All games get dumbed down to release on console as well, resulting in slower games where you don't move very fast or attempt to hit unpredictable targets
>People never train the kind of twitch reflexes or spatial awareness that these games require, so get instantly filtered when trying them out

>>718454774
Thanks for your input that has nothing to do with what is being talked about.

>>718457473
>mfw i spread misinformation online

>>718439427
Market saturation. Look how many Unreal Tournies they had releasing back-to-back. It simply wasn't sustainable. Unlike normalfags with FIFA, gamers just aren't willing to buy yearly entries with minimal changes.

So yeah, it's Epic's fault.

I think the thing with Quake that’s doesn’t get recognized was that it was a very casual pick up and play fuck around game. It’s built up a legacy over the years and the duels in it are crazy, but it also had ffa, tdm, ctf, mods.

Though I think its freedom also became its vice and it became the game about adderall popping to picmip 16 textures and neon green Keeles. The fact that the base game wasn’t enough for people that they needed CPMA to make it even more competitive and started becoming what the game was known for was probably what sealed it.

I dunno. But I still like Quake. Mostly the first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAJ9QI03LRE
it still got it

>>718439427
the rise of warcraft 3 and cs at that time

>>718457607
you are cattle

>>718450401
only thing that came close for me was Urban Terror

https://youtu.be/zjowhAU3mg4?si=Fw53gZigynYQQfVC

>>718439262 (OP)
Are zommers vulnerable to schmoovement ?

>>718458196
(You)

Remember playing with Q3 shaders and map editor as a kid? What a fantastic aesthetic and capabilities it had.
American McGee's Alice also benefited greatly from that engine.
It was, dare I say it, full of soul.

>>718458259
They *might* get used to quake vanilla movement since shartgarbage like Overkill has CPMA Quake 3 movement. But the game is too personal, there's no excuses in quake, if you lose it's becuase you got outplayed or you lost control of the map, it also has a really high-skill ceiling that doesn't rely on pure aim and twitch shots. They wouldn't be able to time the items without cheating (it's only fair becuase something something fake skill)

It doesn't mesh well with the modern retarded audience.

>>718458384
See what I mean about narratives? This is retarded bullshit based off nothing

>>718439427
Back then it was basically the only multiplayer shooter genre, but a lot has happened since then. You had tactical shooters, ADSslop, hero shooters, extraction shooters, battle royale and whatever. There's more games and players than ever and the games are easy to get into. Why spend a thousand hours to master one game on one map with one weapon when you can keep hopping new fotms.
It's less about arena shooters being dead and more about everything else being more lively.

>>718458661
Go do the QDM6 bridge to rail jump , ill wait.

>>718439262 (OP)
UT99 is, and will be, 1000% better.

>>718458778
>dude le every young person HATES skill based gameplay and doesn't play anything difficult
Is a complete fabrication
Also STILL NO LOBBIES

>>718458810
I'm telling you dude, they don't have the mindset to learn how to time 5 different things at the same time, learn how to move and learn how to play. Quake is not a game for modern gamers, even back in the day it was considered a game for nerds (imagine that)

>>718451709
>imagine unironically liking a shonen where the protagonist is a turbo cuck that ends as a loser
I'm glad that Dragon Ball is still my favorite franchise. Modern "heroes" are fucking pathetic.

Competitive fortnite is faster and more skill based than this althoughbeithowever

>>718439262 (OP)
>zoomers are too adhd addled and just wanna zoom zoom around
>zoomers can't comprehend advanced movement and can't zoom zoom around
which one is it, /v/?

>>718452278
>99% of the gif has no shooting
What a boring game.

>>718458893
OK and your proof? And your lobby?

>trust me bro QUAKE WAS HARD you have to have at least 400 IQ in order to understand the DEEP and INTRICATE mechanics of redditjumping

christ you fucks are insufferable, this whole discourse is a thinly veiled ego inflation ritual to cope with the fact that you're growing old and to masturbate over the fact that you peaked in middle school playing a computer game that no one gives a shit about in 2025

Lobby status: None

>>718458661
Modern gamers cannot handle personal responsibility, that and on average they are far worse than the average from 25 years ago.

>>718459449
>zero proof
>zero lobbies

>>718459392
holy shit you are one mad zoomie

So why are there ZERO lobbies ITT?

>>718459413
>>718459486
>>718459527
People still play Quake Live. Go worship niggers while smoking shit and inventing pronouns somewhere else, zoomer.

>thread about how skill intensive quake was
>ZERO lobbies posted
So /v/ doesn't play

>>718459449
...lmao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPCfoCVCx3U

>>718459392
>trust me bro QUAKE WAS HARD you have to have at least 400 IQ in order to understand the DEEP and INTRICATE mechanics of redditjumping
Now play it off seriously, stretch it out for a 10 minute video, put a footage of pros playing for Quake bit and (you) purposefully playing terribly for modern game section bit and post it here.

>>718459721
>playing games is when you keep posting on 4chan
Brown.

>>718459757
I have been doing nothing but asking for lobbies from you supposed Quake veterans, yet nothing

>>718451041
Ayy, I remember that map - mp_depot. Loved the colored lighting and the Axis spawn area was great for goomba stomping on Shrub servers.

>>718459696
yeh "people" meaning not you because you're not a russian playing decades old mp games on a potato

It died because it kind sucks, get a group of friends to host a lobby and play it and you soon will get bored, high speed gameplay with zero downtime doesn't appeal to most people and differences in skill level have a very strong effect to the point both players aren't going to be enjoying the game.

>>718449140
can't believe people are playing competitive """tactical""" slop like valorant and cs2 over this.

valo:
>queue up for a game
>wait until it finds players
>select your character
>wait until you're in the game
>wait until buy phase ends
>play the game (finally)
>get 1 shot by cypher
>wait until everyone else dies
>wait until buy phase ends
>1 teammate goes afk or is complete dogshit or throwing
>wait 30 min for the game to end knowing you can't do anything and you'll lose
>repeat

WolfET:
>hop on to your favorite server
>you recognize everyone
>immediately start playing
>respawn 10s after you die

and people have the audacity to say valorant is a zoom zoom game btw. Can't stand those disgusting waiting simulators.
Only issue with wolfet is the amount of instagibs you can do, otherwise I'd be playing it every single evening to this day lmao

>be me
>playing some games with friends on call
>zoomer one suggest us to play Valorant
>it's the most boring and slow online game that I've saw
>everyone quickly gets tired of it except him
>I suggest Quake 3
>we play a single match
>zoomer can't take one play because he keeps dying and having terrible aim. also complain about the old graphics(he loved Genshin Impact)
>everyone just gets tired of playing online after one match
>took literally easy. Was even suffering some lag that day
Zoomers literally can't play games that aren't super colorful and super fast. They're raised with a different concept of fun, basically. While their games may have a different pace, I still hate how much it takes to play a single match in them.

>>718459989
>things that never happened

>>718459989
>be me

go back to /b/

>>718449140
I love the revive mechanic in this so much, the few seconds of invuln after the shot was everything man.

>>718460007
>>718460019
>no argument
>"no way thats totally insane fr fr common L"
You worship nigger culture, vermin. And you're raised to be the perfect golem.

>>718459941
Playing with many random people with a few recurrent ones is more interesting than the same people everyday.

>>718460091
>make up fictional story that fits narrative
>think its reality
If you're so good why not open a 1v1 lobby right now?

>>718459989
>in our discord of fat middle aged men the sole zoomer couldn't play quake
>zoomers can't play games that aren't super colorful and super fast
Phenomenal attempt at pretending to be retarded.

>>718439894
Not at all. I enjoyed Echo Point Nova.

The thing about Nu-Doom is that it's a slow game, masquerading as quick by people who have never actually played a fast first person shooter.

>>718459392
do a tiktokdance

>>718459941
I don't get why are many popular online games like this. I remember when I tried Fortnite and it had to take a shitty while just for the game to finally start. If you die early you have to wait all over again.

>>718440567
real + true
i don't think i've met a single quake vet who actually has played quake in the last decade, every time i've played it it's usually been with people under 30

>>718460132
Why don't you learn where to shit first, you parrot brownoid?

>>718459941
keep spittin

>>718460245
Why haven't you posted a lobby? Why hasn't a single lobby been posted ITT despite all the apparent claims of being Quake pros?

Reminder hitboxes in quake look like this lol
>Muh skill!!!

>>718460296
Yet you can't defeat Anarchy on hard.

>>718460285
>the apparent claims of being Quake pros?
People aren't saying this you street shitter cow worshipping animal, undesired vermin and "human" plague.

>>718445318
>>718450401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FVJ__rBFxk

>>718439262 (OP)
>But you're not sliding around pretending to be fast in much slower games and headshotting 5 people in 5 seconds?

>>718460382
>dude zoomies can't handle quake heh it's so skillful
OK post a lobby let's play
>u-uh no you're brown!
POST LOBBY

>>718460343
is that why you're so obsessed with a game you don't play? you couldn't beat it as a child so you put it on a pedestal just like your wife's boyfriend?

AFPS as a genre sells itself on being pure gameplay, dog-eat-dog with no hand holding. You win or lose based entirely on your gamesense, DM, and map knowledge.
This only appeals to Gen X, Millennials, and very early Gen Z, all of whom are old guys that are 29+ now.
Only way for a modern AFPS to exist is if you casualize it and reduce the INDIVIDUAL impact of losing by focusing more on team based modes and team gameplay.

All the popular FPS games today are not individual skill based games like Quake and UT are.
Instead, they're all team focused games where individual skill expression is done as part of a team, unlike Quake/UT where one guy can dominate an entire server and doesn't even need a team because he can hoard all the pickups by memorizing the timers and be unkillable with his DM.

The only AFPS that's actually alive today is still TF2 because Valve did exactly that, they casualized an AFPS by breaking down the gameplay aspects and split them into separate classes.
However, since TF2's still an AFPS at its core, it rewards good DM and gamesense which's why the strongest classes in TF2 are the DM classes (Scout, Sniper, Demo, Soldier), and the weakest classes are ones designed to specifically work in TF2 with a casual focus (Engi, Pyro, Spy). Valve tried to lower the skill gap, but since TF2's an AFPS, DM reigns supreme.

Medic's the odd one out by design, he only exists to attempt fixing stalemates, and avoid the 'greedy' problem AFPS has, where casuals cry they never get armor/mega/quad because good players have timers memorized and get them without thinking about it (pockets are now a thing tho kek).

Core gamemodes in TF2 (CTF, 5cp, A/D, PL, PLR, Arena, KotH) are all based off gamemodes and maps that exist in Quake and UT.
Valve tried to nerf advanced tech like bhops, but it still exists in the game, and you can do bhops as all the classes to get to places they normally couldn't, and there's the MG bhop to keep the crit.
1/2

>>718460423
What's up pajeet? Can't access a website and see for yourself?

>>718439262 (OP)
What is this zoom zoom shit

>>718460478
WHY IS THERE NO LOBBY
>>718460462
More schizo gibberish and NO LOBBY
YOU PEOPLE DON'T PLAY

>>718460443
>very specific unrelated and incoherent to the narrative scenario
Projecting much, eh?

>>718460502
>pajeet can't read
Case closed.

>>718460462
To make a modern AFPS you need to:
>Casualize it but still keep the core DNA of allowing good DM and gamsense to reign top which still allows good players to dominate an entire server if they're good enough but it's not as effortless like in Quake/UT
>Bait players with team focused gameplay to minimize individual impact of losing, advertise your game as a team game (keep gamemodes like DM but don't advertise it as the core experience)
>Cosmetic system for carrots on a stick to chase. Either do the Fortnite thing of making a ton of character skins or make a custom character the player can excessively customize. You can try the TF2 way of pre-made classes, but this requires very good art design, and people nowadays will call it a hero shooter instead of an AFPS, like how late Gen Z thinks of TF2 as a hero shooter and not an AFPS.
>ELO for ranked. Early ranks don't derank you like in modern fighting game design (notice that old fighting games used to be more punishing to losing, but with the generational shift, they have become less punishing to losing)
>Decide whether it's class based or weapon based
>Don't allow one player to hoard all mega pickups, integrate pickups to a weapon or class, or player so the only pickups are basic HP/Armor
>Actual good tutorials
>Physics system still works like AFPS
>Movement is simple, in-depth mechanics optional
>Embrace fans like UT and TF2. Encourage community content, then add it officially to the game. Incentivize with money like Valve does.
2/2

NIGGER SNEED ZOOMIE KIKE JEW FAGGOT TRANNY JANNY
FUCK VIDEOGAMES
FUCK TRANNIES
FUCK SPICS
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK JEWS
FUCK FAGGOTS
FUCK WHITE PEOPLE
FUCK VIDEOGAMES
FUCK TRANIME
FUCK NEET SCUM
GET
A
FUCKING
JOB
SUBHUMAN FAGS SPENDING 10000 HOURS 'AIM TRAINING'
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I think it's really telling that even the old greats can't even hold onto a tiny but super dedicated playerbase.

>>718460554
>>718460557
>>718460462
WHERE IS THE LOBBY
WHY DOESN'T /V/ PLAY?

>>718460516
you're unironically too brown for a conversation

>>718460596
GOOD MORNING SIR!

>>718460557
All it needs is to not be matchmaking slop, and just have dedicated vanilla servers that let you play on one map for 30 minutes before moving onto the next one seamlessly. Everyone's like
>The problem with Quake Champions is it didn't appeal to the Quake 3 fans and died as a result
No nigga, it's the fucking waiting in menus more than actually playing the game that killed it.

>>718460615
What?

>>718460642
Knew it. Zoomer couldn't handle a real man's game. Never had the balls to join a lobby in the first place. Sad!

>>718460462
>unlike Quake/UT where one guy can dominate an entire server and doesn't even need a team because he can hoard all the pickups by memorizing the timers and be unkillable with his DM.
I really don't get why people bitch this much about this! I started to play fighters with people that could mop the floor with my ass and I wasn't even mad. Instead I kept learning more and losing less, all while having fun.
People nowadays puts too much ego in multiplayer games. No wonder chats are always extremely toxic in those games.
When I played LoL, the biggest enemies happened to be always in my own team. The toxicity was extremely tiresome because everyone just wanted to blame the other while trying to be hot shit.

>>718460564
>KEKAROO
Your favorite character? Totally Bejita.

>>718460680
>zoomies can't handle it
>literally kept asking for lobbies and games
>nothing posted
?????

>>718460684
You're too young to have played it so you don't understand the bullshit of getting gangbang sniped by three guys out of your vision while you were busy with the fourth.

>>718460557
Also I forgot to add
>For quickplay, allow for community servers to be played on so they don't die

>>718460564
>pajeet lost his mind
The cow shit he ate probably kicked in now.

>>718460776
I accept your concesíon, zoom zomo.

>>718460557
Unreal was already pretty casual for an arena shooter in the last few games.
>Translocator removes the need to learn advance mobility tech
>Shield gun gives a saftey net during fire fights
>Adrenaline is just proto-ultimates

>>718460812
What concession? I am literally asking for games

>>718460836
You're talking to a shitskin. Shitposting is their entire life.

>>718460780
>You're too young to have played it
Just because I olayed LoL doesn't mean that I am young. I used to play Delta Force(Novalogic, not that Chinese trash) while I was really young and didn't have issues doing bad. I played Counter Strike in lan parties and also didn't mind doing bad against other pros. You guys bitch too much.

>>718460836
Take your meds tranny zoomie. Back to Fartnite with you feggit.
>>718460851
Whiter than you Pajeet. You have <1 hours on tf2 because it was too hard for you.

>>718460909
What the fuck are you talking about? I AM LITERALLY ASKING FOR GAMES
LITERALLY ASKING TO PLAY RIGHT NOW

>>718460909
You're a zoomer just like them. I bet you call old FPS games "boomer shooters" while thinking that Civvie is funny. And I totally bet you creamed yourself with Doom Dark Ages even if your beloved Mick Gordon wasn't there remixing his farts for you to listen.

>>718453905
It is insane that there are actual people that genuinely believe their f2p live service slop is better than Quake 3 Arena.
>it gets boring after 10 minutes
Bitch, you can't even scrape the surface in 10 minutes. It's a refined game that can be played for 10 years thanks to the core gameplay mechanics. Something that modern games can't achieve anymore, because the solely rely on FOMO, constantly changing the meta, introducing new characters, battlepasses, keeping players in with daily and weekly carrots, achievements, and other made up bullshit that only here to hide the lack of gameplay depth.

>>718449125
I am definitely NOT READY

>>718460931
Uh oh. Zoomer meltie! Maybe watch some Tiktok to calm ya down kek.
>>718460991
Okay saar. Your schizobabble isn't welcome here. Try a website more suited for your age group. >>>/reddit/.

>>718461087
>meltie
No idea what that means, but I've been doing nothing but asking for lobbies and games in this thread, why has there not been a single one posted?

>>718460684
The comparison between an AFPS and FG does not really work unless you're talking about how ELO is handled.

In an FG, despite how modern FG design minimizes the impact of losing, they cannot get rid of it entirely because the core design of an FG is 1v1, there's always going to be one loser and winner.
Modern FG's solve this by making more casual friendly mechanics (like different control schemes to even the playing field) and by pumping a fuck ton of money into the esport aspect to keep people playing and encourage influencers.
You're right about ego, FG players are very susceptible to inflated egos but FGs always have that and they encourage it.

An AFPS is different, because these games aren't 1v1 unless you're playing DM and DM for casual players is much more brutal than an FG.
In an FG, the player can try button mashing and at least do something, that's why there's so many FG memes about Ken players or Capo players in Tekken.
In an AFPS, you cannot do anything if one guy is better than you; he will 20-0 you, and there's nothing you can do to even get 1 frag even if you just shoot randomly and hope to catch the guy off guard.
Like I said in my previous post, this only appealed to the generations it targeted back in the 90s and 00s. This design philosophy does not appeal to the current generations in 2020s which is why team focused FPS games have been extremely popular.
AFPS has the ego problem too but when a casual player is so hopelessly destroyed, there's no real way to comeback unless you grind a ton.
That's why casualized AFPS like TF2 is effective because it's not as brutal as Quake/UT, in normal public servers you don't meet these guys unless a DM god joins the server and plays one of the DM classes or some pair joins with his pocket bitch.
You have to go out of your way to meet most of those guys who will be playing in comp servers or on MGE/DM servers.

>>718461006
>changing the meta
Always hated this while playing LoL
>your favorite characters are dogshit now because the game made changes again and team mates you annoy you for picking it. Please keep revising the meta sites to know which character and items to use
Fuck that.

>>718439427
You can't use hacks to give yourself good movement skills

>>718460909
Just host a server or join existing one and kick his ass, if you're so great. He's a 30 year young pipsqueak wanting to play the game you're boasting to be hard for him, so it shouldn't be a problem for you.

>>718460889
Yeah like I said you used to play zoomer shit and have no personal pride because you never experienced no-rules gameplay.

>zoomerxisters this terrified of proper first person shootan
How embarrassing. Why are zoomies allowed on this board, bros?

>>718461087
>to calm ya
>lack of proper punctuation
>absolutely no knowledge about the use of commas
You are brown, like the color of my shit. Done. Prostate and vacate. POST HASTE!

>>718439262 (OP)
>prööt DDD:

>>718439427
the truth is that the hardcore fans are purists and won't play anything new that comes out

everything else is cope

>>718461242
But they aren't, look at this thread
It's the so called veterans who refuse to post lobbies
I haven't touched an FPS in my life outside Doom Eternal, but I keep asking for lobbies and matches, but NOTHING
These people don't play

>>718461193
>never ever heard of Novalogic
>ESL gibberish
You are small and brown, pup. Hush and return to your kennel.

>>718440660
All these games aren't duel games. How many times have you seen someone fuck up and blame his teamates for his shortcomings? In an arena FPS you can't do that, there's only yourself to blame. Same shit for RTS, you can only blame yourself or fucking zerg/terran/protoss balance if you're reaching meanwhile in mobas the mid or ad carry who fucks up will blame the jungler/support even if they played well.
People can't take accountability for their failures thanks to that everyone gets a badge/no bullying allowed/we are all winners mentality which destroyed the West.

>>718458973
Why do you think the most recent Tribes game added a button to allow you to Ski?

>>718461307
>>718461314
Why is it so afraid? All bark and no bite, just like every other zoomerfag, all this boasting about how they'll take on any classic afps and conquer it, yet there ain't any results, why's that huh?

>>718459392
Install Quake Live on steam, it's free. Do the bunny hopping tutorial. Post webm

>>718440660
>>718461359
You have a good point. Plus these games has systems that encourage non team work behavior like rewarding the one that gave the last hit more.
In those games, my biggest issues were always in my own team. It also sucked to win because most of the part it was from retards sabotaging the enemy team. I see no fun in that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_Thczu6UDA

god i miss this retarded game

>>718461416
Wut? I've been doing nothing but asking you people for lobbies and nothing has been posted
It's you guys that keep saying "le zoomies don't want to play" that aren't posting lobbies

>>718461307
Anon most people discussing old FPS games probably put thousands of hours into them before you were even born, they don't need to dedicate their entire life to playing one game every single day.

>>718461416
>this abhorrent misuse of coma
What an eye sore, brownoid gremlin. Return to your filthy favela and leave this thread.

>>718461314
Do you frequently misread one paragraph posts or what is this mental retardation.

>>718461534
>uh you see they definitely played thousands of hours
>this definitely happened
>they just made a thread about the genre they love so much and don't want to play it
Hmmmmm

>>718461447
>it's free.
I thought it became paid? Downloading now.

>>718461569
>More ESL gibberish
You look like my morning feces.

>>718461460
Don't you just love it when your mid gets first blood under his tower at level 1 by a Fizz and then goes "fucking jungler afk 25"?
That happened like a decade ago but I bet it hasn't changed. I'd rather play something where I can only blame myself (quake champions still finds matchs rather quickly during prime time) or where I can be part of something larger like planetside 2 which sadly is as good as dead. This way I don't have to deal with 1 random little bitch who ruins the game for everyone.

>>718461582
Stay in school kid.

>>718461659
So Quakefags make threads about their game not to play it, but to just circlejerk about how totally cool and epic they are?

>>718461637
>entire worldview and life course formed around league of legends anecdotes
i'm laughign so hard holy shit

>>718461702
>worldview and life course
That's just my choice of online games to play, if that's worldview and life course for you then so be it.

>>718461686
Pretty much, here watch some good content lil guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAjXCWHVJh8

>>718461637
I quit LoL many years ago. I can't even imagine how worse it is now. Last thing I read is that they're forcing you to keep in the lanes now. What a fucking dogshit of a game.

>>718461798
wut? Why don't you people want to play?

>>718455681
What the fuck. Link.

>>718461447
It's not free.

>>718439262 (OP)
Zoomer games are quakelikes you buffoon
Millennials are the ones that played le slow le realistic 0.1s ttk tacticool military shooters

>>718461831
I prefer watching.

>>718461868
On the internet, zoomer means young and boomer means old.

>>718460831
Dodging too, but yea it was, which's why it had a very popular fanbase and had lots of micro communities for its different gamemodes.

CTF guys had mods like 4 team CTF. OD + DM guys had their own servers and tourneys they ran by themselves etc

You're right about the use of Adrenaline, too. UT devs even understood that it was really just a casual mechanic which's why it could be enabled/disabled for online servers and most players only really saw it if they played the single player modes.

It's why it's very obvious to see how Valve reused many UT ideas for TF2 and incorporated them as part of TF2's design

Though when Epic started making UT games (like UC2 and UT3), they changed the design philosophy of them too heavily, which alienated the core UT fanbase, and since nothing was happening with Quake aside from Quake Live, the other Quake games dropped players too.

It's why most AFPS players moved to TF2 in the early 2010s (vast majority of them became compfags).as TF2 has many players that came from Quake/UT, and Valve was still supporting it pretty heavily

The only AFPS games that were played in the early 2010s were: TF2, Quake Live, or UT2k4.
If you looked at popular FPS overall in early 2010s, then the choices were really: TF2, CSS, Halo (dying as mostly dominated the 00s), CoD, BF.

Nowadays, TF2 has become the boomer FPS option with the 2020 FPS options being: Fortnite, CoD, BF, Apex, Overwatch 2, that Marvel hero shooter, CS2 (rip CSGO), Valorant, and TF2.
I'm sure I forgot a couple more but the game design of all the popular FPS games all focus more on team based gameplay with the blowup of BRs and Hero Shooters making that really obvious.
All the long running FPS games like CoD accepted that and changed to fit the new generational shift, so the only way a new AFPS will survive is if it does the same, or somehow the pendulum swings back with Alphies and they want more hardcore design

>>718461936
No it doesn't. You want it to mean that because you're retarded.

Why is getting /v/ - videogames to actually play videogames like pulling teeth?

>>718461594
>>718461864
oh, well it was free the last time I played quake which may have been a long time ago

>>718461831
Is this the same mindset that has morons spamming the front page with steam chart threads? Is this why we see people constantly arguing about games being "dead" because players are not logged into them 24/7?

What's wrong with this generation?

>>718461996
>quake thread
>constant posts about how epic and cool and skillful it is
>ask to play
>nothing but deflection
???

>>718452278
>this is fun according to zoomers

I wish UT didn't die. Fuck Epic for killing the servers. At least there's still some few communities playing but the game was made to have multiple players.

>>718462016
Because we are talking about it anon, if you want to play it load it up and play, or go to bed because it's way past your bedtime.

>>718462052
>expecting the videogame board to actually engage with the art form
I was a fool

>>718453518
Thanks for the nostalgia anon

>>718461964
Cope more, newfag. I bet you have frogs in your HD.
>>718461993
It used to be free. It's very cheap, tho.

>>718462016
Why would I play a shitty fortnite clone? I just want to bash zoomers.

>>718452282
>>718446760
zoomier here, where to get this game? it got removed from steam for some reason

>>718439427
Because of fucking consoles and their disabled players that wanted to play FPS on their gaypads.

>>718462172
Instead of this schizo gibberish, seems to me the genre died because as proven, the "fans" don't play

>>718451041
I wish this game had been even a little more popular, such a fun mix of arena style movement with team based gameplay.

>>718462104
...Unreal Tournament used to be at Steam?
Answer for your question: pirate it. Epic shut down the support for it. You can find communities still playing it. It's also very fun with bots.
I'm not sure if Epic Games sells it with their service.

>>718462276
https://store.steampowered.com/app/13230/Unreal_Tournament_2004_Editors_Choice_Edition/
Yeah, apparently it was, thanks

>>718461983
people who actuallly play vidya have gone to all the other videogame boards.

>>718439725
why is the picture cropped at his feet??

>>718447606
>late 90's
>internet/game lan places are a thing around here
>play UT/Quake 2 all day erryday
>HL comes out
>every fag flocks to it
>what, this dm is retarded
>then CS comes out
>nothing but CS matches everywhere
>wtf is this gay ass shit now
>few years later
>Q3 comes out
>nobody in sight playing it
>just me and my younger brother sometimes
>some younger dumb kid stares over the shoulder
>"WOW WHAT COUNTER STRIKE IS THIS???"
>explain it's not a "counter strike" but a different game
>he hops on game with us
>gets totally and absolutely bodied we're not even that good
>kid disconnects after a while
>fires CS
it was over well before it started

Post signs of zoomers larping as old fps gamers. I'll start with some
>calls them "boomer shooters"
>worships Civvie and brings them to old FPS convos frequently
>thinks that Gianni is funny
>follows Kino Troonbino
>thinks that old games had "problematic" elements
>thinks that Mick Gordon is metal

>>718439427
Unlike more casuals shooters, there's virtually zero fun in this game if you suck. There's zero fun if you just want to play without getting good.
Every single modern popular multiplayer game will give casuals at least SOME incentive to play further. That's why more people play them = that's why they are popular. In Q3, there's nothing, you either git gud and get fun, or you're not good enough and you will get shitted on. And the truth is, no one likes to be shitted on for eternity. Modern games always give you a glimpse of what it feels like to be winning, ultimate abilities or RNG or whatever, anything that will make you feel good at least sometimes. Here, you won't get a single ounce of that before you sweat for hundreds of hours.
And modern players have way too many games where you can get your cheap dopamine in much easier ways.

>>718462425
>>"WOW WHAT COUNTER STRIKE IS THIS???"
I lived that shit and I had a hate for CS for a really long time because fucking nigglets loved that game and always wanted to be terrorists with AKs. While I miss that era, I hated the CS fever. Too many normies in that shit.
They genuinely thought that modded announcer was from the game.

>>718462619
>tranny pic
Did not peruse.

>>718462619
See you faggots say this, but then don't play

>>718439262 (OP)
Looks boring af unc

>>718462104
>>718462276
Like the other anon said it used to be on Steam but Epic delisted it and they turned off the master server for it too so Unreal is abandonware now.
The only way to play the old Unreals is to pirate them and if you want to play online you need to connect to the community master servers.
UT99 and UT2k4 both have this so there's still people playing but it's a very small number.

For single player though, all the old downloads for character packs, skins, maps, gamemodes etc are all still up on the old forum sites and are pretty easy to find with googling.

Unless someone knows some better links here are the ones for UT99 and UT2k4. There was an anon that usually posts a big post of all the updated links but I never saved it.
>UT99
https://archive.org/details/ut99-hd-bundle
https://archive.org/details/UnrealTournamentGOTYUSA
>2k4
https://archive.org/details/ut2004-3369

>>718462693
>don't play
Don't play what? I can play any game, even fucking dota has more fun for new players, and it's one of the most expensive dopamines on the market where you need like two thousand hours before you get all the game basics to start playing on anything resembling pro-level.

bruh wtf like sshoot yoself to launch yoself shit is fukken retarded af no cap

>>718439427
>newbie plays online multiplayer
>gets flattened by boomers who played it for several years
>leaves and never comes back

>>718462841
OK then where's the Quake lobby?

>used to play ut99 in web cafes
>we liked playing coret CTF with instagib for hours, pure chaos
>also instagib on that space skyscraper map
>made a bot that had 100% set in every single skill, played 1v1 against him for shits and he sniped you literally when he saw a pixel of you
loved the game, also 2k4
>onslaught on torlan for fucking hours
>onslaught on that island map with the shield tank, can't remember the name anymore

still mad they killed UT4, i will never forgive epic for that

>>718462893
>2004 Torlan

>>718462880
In Quake Live, that's where all the cool poopsockers are.

>>718461953
Dodging was fun, but I wish it was bound to a key and not double tapping. Epic should use some of their fortnite bucks and splurge on another UT just for the fun of it, maybe even flesh out the "lore" so you can get storyfags invested.

>thread about Q3
>UT cocksuckers all over the thread
Your series is and always will be irrelevant and shit in the face of Q3

>>718462932
Why is there no /v/ lobby?

>>718462893
Onslaught was the shit. Even if they had to compete with Q3, both games had their unique charm.

>>718462965
/v/ has regular TF lobbies. /vr/ has regular Doom lobbies. You know, the fun games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxlJx_dznj4

man this map brings back memories

>>718462838
Thanks for the spoonfeed friend, btw is >>718452282
>>718446760
DM-DC-Beach?

>>718462964
>Your series is and always will be irrelevant and shit in the face of Q3
Look I always preferred Q3 but it's a well know fact that UT won that war because it had the majority of players for many years
But I understand that a fucking zoomer that plays Bethesda's Doom games and pretends to be "boome shootah" fan by following Gianni wont know about this. Now, go play your Ultra Tranny instead of crying here.

>>718455279
>peaked
>slow ass gameplay where campers reign and it's intended that you die shitloads so everyone can get a kill or two
Nope, this thing was the canary in the coal mine

>>718462965
You can make one.
https://openarena.live/

It uses kosmi.io which uses WebRTC which does P2P so it leaks your IP. OTOH it's cool tech.

>>718462504
>only worships the widely-approved games, parrots the same talking about games they haven't even played
>stops moving to shoot because they're used to it from other games
>whines about bullet sponges because they have a shallow understanding of the gameplay mechanics and only use the same one or two weapons
>whines about artificial difficulty but only plays on Hard because "that's what you're supposed to do"

>>718455220
He blurred himself out for a reason

>>718463118
>UT won by being more popular
There isn't a single game that is most popular in its genre that it also the best in its genre. Suck cock

>>718463160
>>only worships the widely-approved games
Ultrakill fans.

>>718463173
>your serie is irrelevant
>but it was played way more and sold more
>IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!!1!!!!!!
Go back to your Civvie sub reddit or something, bitch.

sup bitches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUPlwxQ0cC4

>>718463297
CoD sells more but isn't more relevant and isn't better than the greatest FPS games. Suck cock, UT is shit

>>718462425
Well yeah, cs was originally made because quake was 3hard5U.

This is how we ended up with garbage like lol and dota btw.

>>718463173
THPS is the most popular game in skateboarding sims genre.
WoW was the most popular game in MMORPG genre before it turned to shit but so does the whole genre.
L4D was the most popular co-op shooter for ages.
Doom was the most popular FPS, followed by Quake.
Super Mario Bros
Pokemon
Tetris
Just shut up you retard.

>>718463382
literally the best arena shooter there is.

>>718439262 (OP)
that't some nice aimbotting

>>718463542
You just proved my point retard. Also putting a WAS in for the FPS category - worried you'd be caught out big guy?

>>718462626
>I had a hate for CS
I hated HL and CS all through those years,.
Came to appreciate HL after a long while, still could not stomach CS to this day.

>>718439427
consolecucks can't aim

>>718463106
Yes, the webm name is the real map name
Here is a yt vid of the map so you can easily see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmStTBIDKJI
>>718462962
Funny you mention that since Epic did try doing things like that with UT4 kek
iirc the options menu had the choice for double tap dodge or one button dodge

I remember some other AFPS tried doing that for bhops too where you just hold jump and you bhop automatically. Forget the name though.

Also nice Selket, while I wasn't a fan of UC2 I do appreciate the sexo design. It was nice someone ported the UC2 models into 2k4.
Take this webm too I think an anon like you would enjoy it.

>>718439262 (OP)
>fast paced shooters are dead
>nobody plays any CA related games with actual movement mechanics
>zoomer and retards only play absolute dogshit games like Marvel Rivals or Overwatch

god fps is such dead genre.

>>718461854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Q1p-28dYU

>>718439427
REAL ANSWER:

Death of LAN. These games are the funnest shit ever at LAN parties. They SUCK online, because you have literally a 0% chance against the kind of people that spend thousands of hours mastering them.

>>718463696
>fps is such dead genre
and mmos
and rts
and fighting games
only gachashit and battlepass slop now
welcome to the world of tomorrow

>>718439894
no they wouldn't, you shitposting faggot

>>718463570
it was till it was overrun with cheater

>>718463763
>and mmos
>and rts
>and fighting games
>only gachashit and battlepass slop now

only RTS is dead there, all the other genre do fine, meanwhile FPS games are worse than what we had 20 years ago.

>>718463689
2004 didn’t without mods, I think ut4 did though but I haven’t played that in years

>>718463707
>>718463689
Thanks, I am gonna enjoy this baby

>>718439262 (OP)
It literally looks like something zoomoids would enjoy though with their ADHD flick mentality kek

>>718463851
>are worse than what we had 20 years ago
so they're alive, but dead
worse outcome

>>718463823
Can't tell start played from 0.4 stopped playing around when 1.0 came out, that was in 2007-2008? Literally no cheaters back then and everybody knew each other, you had huge clan communities.

>>718463118
>>718463173
Are we actually and unironically still having Quake vs UT wars in 2025?
Damn

>>718463851
>RTS
>Dead

>>718439262 (OP)
>wtf i can't be bothered to learn the maps, learn airshotting, memorize power-up positions and practice bunnyhopping. that's boomer tryhard shit
>now watch me slap up a wooden recreation of the sistine chapel in five seconds because a bullet flew past me

>>718463896
you may need this later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5l1W0-ESUg

>>718463962
Name a good new one.

>>718440229
This is what keeps it dead in modern times, this is not what killed it in the first place.

>>718463986
consoomer brain

unreal tourny brought us killing floor - the original not the shitty sequels

>>718463423
UT literally shaped games like CoD and many others. Everyone knew and know about it. Even from old memes. You're a damn zoomer that don't know shit.

>>718463986
Tempest Rising

>>718464037
wasn't that an HL mod?

>>718463118
UT must've been just an American thing. I'm Swedish and never heard about Unreal until the series was dead and buried. Q3 was well known and often shared at LAN parties though.

>>718464106
he said good.

>>718464106
you fell for it.
he'll now going to call TR shit

>>718464196
>eh..... It doesn't count!!!!!

>>718464172
Killing Floor was originally a total conversion mod for the game Unreal Tournament 2004, first released in 2005.[10][11] The lead developer Alex Quick was first approached by Tripwire Interactive about porting Killing Floor to their game Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45, but Quick did not follow through.

This thread should be an epiphany of how bad /v/ has gotten and how many zoom zoom saars have infested this place.

>>718464172
Nah he's right it was a UT2k4 mod, here's a link to the original killing floor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thn1Jivcbs

>>718464193
>UT must've been just an American thing

lol nope, was played at every LAN in Europe.

>>718464292
it's really fucking grim

>grew up on lan banter
there is no better feeling of competetiveness than your mates trash talking you from across the room
zoomers will never know this feel, ever

>>718461134
trvke
the amount of hackers in modern games is unbelievable. for every obvious spin bot aimhacker you see there are probably 10 people casually using sneaky hacks you don't notice.

>>718464292
it's fuckin ovah

>>718464292
shut the fuck up you absolute geek
circlejerking about arean fps being dead has been happening for over a fucking decade on /v/

before urban terror there was action quake 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qckUitss-KU

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The professional league was formed; a cabal of the most violent and skilled warriors in known space, selected to fight in a Grand Tournament.

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The time has come to prove you are the best; to crush your enemies; to win the Tournament.

>>718464671
Hi saar if you had some intelligence you would know that it's not thread but the replies that have changed

>>718464292
It's the entire internet today, it's swarmed by uncivilized NPCs. You can't discuss anything anywhere without having to bring an umbrella to shield yourself from the shitstorm these people cannot stop producing.

>>718464720
oh yeah for sure man
the quality of posting was just SO much higher
fucking dweeb

>>718464771
Yes that image you posted has already way higher quality of posting you just can't see it somehow

>>718464620
DUN DUN DUN

>>718464813
you are a faggot and a newfag in disguise
/v/ has never been good or a high quality board of discussion
you have not been here long enough to judge that and you will never be an oldfag no matter how much you pretend

>>718439427
Fortnite and mtx

favourite arena shooter weapon? for me it's the Q2 rail, love the swirly trails

>>718464942
LG

>>718439262 (OP)
why do arena shooters have to have ugly brown/grey maps?

>>718463696
Plat shartnite *tiktokdance*

Play shartnite *kills gaming*

Play shitnite *kills anon because some nigger streamer said roblox pedo*

Tiktok fornite dance

>>718463958
What war, UT blows. All that other dude had was MUH SALEZ. Q3 was better designed in every way

>>718464881
>call them out and they come crawling out of the woodwork

>>718464881
>you are a faggot and a newfag in disguise
Projection

>>718464881
>/v/ has never been good or a high quality board of discussion
You came here too late, like I pointed out.

>>718464881
>you have not been here long enough to judge that and you will never be an oldfag no matter how much you pretend
I wish

Here's a freebie. I'm sure some other oldfag was looking for this one at some point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2wViKSh_M

>>718465096
autism

>>718464942
For Quake it's the RL
For UT it's 2k4 Shock
It was too OP but it never stopped being satisfying

>>718439427
*taps sign*

>>718464881
Believe it or not there was a time where the catalog didn't consist of 30 not-disguised-at-all porn threads, 7 permanent off topic threads, and countless chart posting threads. Trolling was actual trolling and not unhinged hate posting, you can't post ANY game on this board and not have the thread swarmed by people who have no interest in the topic and are only there to hate.

case in point, you, here, now

>>718439427
Mostly COD and CS later it was low IQ Heroes Shooter. Like mobas killed RTS, arena shooters were killed by easier to get into games.

>>718465196
Exactly. He just thinks because he's been here for 10 years since 2015 or 2016 he's not a newfriend anymore. Top zozzle.

Lassi ja Pekka nyt nukkumaan :D

What happened?

>>718465638
literally no one ever played it.

>>718465638
Strenx went from quake to it and raped ass and killed the competitive scene after few tournies

>>718465196
>30 not-disguised-at-all porn threads, 7 permanent off topic threads, and countless chart posting threads.
I fully agree with the porn threads and off-topic threads, but /v/ was still not a high-quality place of posting prior
it was more on topic but still absolutely laden with shitposting
chartposting and friday/saturday night threads were absolutely still common though, don't even know why you're pretending they weren't

>>718439427
It was never that good. Boomers just thought it was because there were only like a dozen PC games to play. When COD got popular it showed how dated arena shooters were.

>>718439262 (OP)
>cpma

>>718458778
>Go do the QDM6 bridge to rail jump , ill wait.
OK, not him tho

>>718439427
It died out because it was a heavily skill based 1on1 genre with 2-3 decades of compounded legacy skill making it impossible to attract new players and making it uncomfortably competitive even for people who have played it for a long time
When you bring back Quake it will be immediately dominated by people with 20 years in Quake. That's why the shooter genre is dominated by games which test entirely new skillsets, like some zoomer structure building shit, allowing a new audience to start from zero on an even footing, and usually including teams or massive numbers of players to take away the emotional pressure of having to lose 1on1

Fighting games are not in as bad of a state because fighters depend more on Knowledge than muscle memory and each new FG release resets enough of that Knowledge base to give a bit of a soft reset. Also short rounds make it easier to get little victories and modern fighters are designed to just be casinos instead of real tests of objective skill

>>718466087
me when i make shit up

>>718466094
>Challenged people mode: arena

>>718439262 (OP)
I just don't care
>>718439427
People realized Half Life and Halo are more interesting.

>>718466161
Nta but despite clearing it your strafing hurts my eyes

>>718466161
>to take away the emotional pressure of having to lose 1on1
that's also why RTS games died and moba got popular, you can't blame anyone else for losing in starcraft, but you can blame "current boogeyman" for losing a game in dota

>>718466315
It was 20 years and 5 mice ago

>>718439427
People who grew up with those games became dads and they no longer have the energy to play arena shooters.
Meanwhile the younger generation is hyper-socialized and ADHD ridden, and will refuse to play anything that doesn't have a million players with flashing lights to keep their attention (i.e. Fortnite).
It's time to let go, arena shooters aren't coming back.

>>718466054
I can feel the quality of posts degrading I think it has to do with people not trying anymore and not having their shitpost folder with them at all times in combination with phoneposting too much effort.

Yes I said shitpost folder but those were still of higher quality than most twatter screencaps that are posted now. I posted some things in the last week and I can already those being regurgitated in various threads right now which is a good thing, maybe we used to post the same shit but that's what happens when posts are archived and deleted after some time.

>>718466376
>ADHD ridden
ADHD is genetic you fucking moron, it's not a disease you catch by doing the wrong things

>>718464942
UT flak cannon
You say it's both a shotgun and a granade launcher at the same time? Literally perfect weapon.

>>718466449
I don't disagree that posts are worse, 4chan in general took a drastic dip in quality with all of the election tourists
it was better before all of that, but I would still hesitate to call it good
you still had shit like the gaynigger spammers (inshallah ruggarell has since died), the /sft/ threads filled with grown men roleplaying as anime girls and erping with each other, constant beggars, etc

>>718466483
Source? Afaik there's no actual consensus on what causes it and no specific genes have been identified yet.

>>718466376
>younger generation is hyper-socialized
you are so fucking dense

>>718466572
Yup agreed. Also to add on to it what we called shitposts were actually high quality with some thought put into them posts but just called negatively shitposts because it was 2edgy4me. Now posts are actually shitty. Not all obviously.

To put things in perspective when is the last time you ever saw anyone mention the word OC at all.

>>718466653
You can still feel the effects of social isolation (or loneliness) even if you're actually engaging other people regularly. Even your own source acknowledges this.

>>718448934
>does nothing
>dies
wow

>>718465354
The funny thing is the people that started browsing in the summer of 07 have now been on the website longer than oldfags were oldfags at that point. And they haven't grown even a little bit.

>>718439427
Getting to that level took a lot of time that people stop being willing to devote after their teens. Most of us are still playing whatever we played as teenagers in our 30s at this point.

>>718440567
They never gave me adderall I got to suffer the fatcel life raw without even getting to become truly amazing at video games.
It's why I only play girly genres like mmos and nintendo rpgs.

>>718449140
You know Splash Damage did that exact formula for every single one of their multiplayer games?
>ET:QW
>Brink (lol)
>Dirty Bomb (last good and real game they made)

>>718439427
Barrier of entry is too high. The movement and reaction time makes it take so long to learn that only autistic neets end up investing the time to git gud. There are not enough of them to keep the genre alive, because even they don't like losing matches for the amount of time it takes to git gud.

>>718464292
thats every thread though

To think Fortnite got big only because consoles needed it's free clone of PUBG.

Just a few more years, zoomers, and all the attention and juvenoia will move on to gen alpha. And you will be forgotten.
t. millennial. Been there, done that.

>>718466603
>no specific genes
There are literally multiple genes that carry a risk of the heritability of ADHD
>no consensus
The consensus is genetic but some scientists argue ACKTUALLY it could be other things. Bad modern diets & too much screen time make people act a bit ADHD, but they do not have ADHD. I've isolated myself for weeks with no screens in the past and you still lose your keys and forget to do chores and hop up from what you're doing constantly

>>718439262 (OP)
And everybody else too, apparently, since nobody plays these games

>>718439262 (OP)
Can't do that on a controller without some sick autoaim.

>>718466825
b-but! the med-pick!!

>>718454003
That's true about everything. No one truly cares unless they're getting paid or getting their dick sucked by a horde of gremlins.

>>718463696
>>zoomer and retards only play absolute dogshit games like Marvel Rivals or Overwatch
Most zoomers i know play stuff like Squad and Stellaris. But my sample size is only 10 or so...

>>718467426
>ADHD is hereditary and a disease
I agree, castrate them and breed them out

>>718466325
>oops you mislicked and one unit went the wrong way for .2ms games over go home you lost faggot.
It's much harder to pinpoint the exact moment you fucked an input in a shooter.

>>718439440
????????????????????????

>>718439427
I don't understand it. You get instant dopamine, instant respawns, infinite skill ceiling and quite a few game mode and map combinations to keep things fresh.

But for some reason battle royales with huge downtime, limited interaction and tons of inventory management are the big thing.
Cattle will do as they're told I guess

boomer shooters are too masculine for 2025

>>718439427
consoles killed it
you can't have precision aim on sticks and everyone was catering to the booming console market
therefore arena shooters and shooters with more than two guns died out

>>718439440
Weapons are fixed spawns which also have a consistent spawn point and keeping track of them via picking them up, seeing them picked up or hearing the pickups is very important if you want to even have a chance at playing.

>>718466315
that's how strafing looks in quake no? i'm too old to remember nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>718465157
It wasn't the jews, it was the game devs, people were modding entire games into those FPS, custom maps, custom modes, they wanted to be in complete control so they slowly removed the freedom of the player in-game and outside of the game.

The companies now being owned by jews is a mere coincidence for once.

>>718467790
Quake champions has huge late 90s /early 00s energy.

But the hero abilities pissed off the boomer purists and they fucked the performance early on. It's pretty good now but dead in Aus for casual matches.
The matchmaking and menu system is also beyond fucked for getting into and keeping matches going. Boot back to menu every 10 mins and search for new matches instead of just rotating map/mode.

>>718439262 (OP)
>zoomies
No, I was the right age for Q3 and I fucking HATED Quake movement. None of that shit was fun or cool, it contributed to the genre dying. UT was so much more fun for being a game where movement is straightforward movement with an emergency dodge. Strafe jumping can suck a fat dick.

>>718454042
No it wasn't.

>>718449140
ET had massively gimped movement
Splashdamage decided they hated actual quake physics movement in Q3F and then set about gimping it however possible from beta2 of Q3F onwards. All their later games like Brink have gimmicky babby movement masquerading as parkour

>>718439262 (OP)
Ironically, no. While faggot ass millennials invented and personified the entire stereotype of lying about playing AFPS games for cheap kudos, old school shooter communities are filled to the brim with zoomers. If you want to cope, you can say it's because technology has progressed in regards to easier/free stable hosting and fantastic sourceport clients (along with the games becoming defacto free and way easier to share) in a time where zoomers are still the primary gaming demographic and can more easily get their friends to play with them (and on a similar note, map editing tools becoming better as well, for communities like Doom), but the reality is that zoomers have an unparalleled love for actually gaming.

What terrifies zoomers is an idea of playing a game for a gameplay only. They cannot proceed without daily and weekly questboard telling them what to do, achievements, season pass, currencies and experience points.

>>718468492
>the reality is that zoomers have an unparalleled....
>amount of free time due to not being employed

>>718468519
You say that like we didn't play for leaderboards and stats tracking.

>>718467589
ADHD is a genetic pathway which is highly attuned to natural survival. Consensus free thought and highly sensitive sight and hearing stops you dying in the wilderness.

The whole civilisation would be better attuned to ADHD people as we can't be manipulated like you peasant gene farmer types can. The whole reason ADHD people find modernity so overwhelming is it does assault you with stimulus all the time, because it keeps the trained monkeys that you are in line.

We are the future.

watch out here i cum cum ^-^ :DDD asdasgfasghsag

>>718468584
Damn you now I have the hiccups, funniest shit I'll see all day

>>718468563
Quake didn't have leaderboards and stats tracking before QLive

>>718468674
>hiccups
You got that trying to breathe through all the cum being deposited in your mouth

>>718468758
What is it with you eternal summerfags always making shit gay when you get made fun of
It's like all you can think about is faggotry

>>718462838
er, can u halp me? how do I get openspy or 333 in here

>>718468696
>He doesn't remember xfire or later gametracker

>>718439262 (OP)
>FPS from 30 years ago
>viewbob and screen shake and camera tilting and momentum to simulate a real person moving and people are still doing this shit easily
>FPS now
>everything has to sit perfectly still and act like you're moving a floating camera around or competitive gamers will shit their pants and cry that the game is too hard

>>718469004
>indian humor

>>718468854
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2902411820

>>718466325
No, RTS died because consoles couldn't handle them, everyone else killed themselves chasing SC2, and because the most popular ones are extremely annoying actionfests with a cliff of a learning curve if you actually wanted to get good so every part that appealed to players before got snapped up by other genres that did what they actually wanted better.

>>718439427
real answer: pctroons don't play their video games

CPMA > Vanilla

>>718468967
Iconic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCercz1sHs

>>718469801
Last time I checked in ~8 years ago there was like 3 brazillians online

>>718469876
All games are organized through the cpma discord I believe
What sucks is that the Okidoki CA server is fucking dead and nothing ever replaced it so you can't just boot the game and shoot the shit out with no stress involved
I played a lot in 2011-13 and then we were on IRC for pickup games but there was ALWAYS okidoki to play on and the server would get full every evening

>>718463896
>205 games
I miss when I only had 200 games.

online was a mistake

>>718470287
૮(˶Ó﹏Ò ⑅)ა how many games do you have now anon?

>>718470410
>Saturn Daytona
there's a reason they aren't showing more than a couple of seconds of game footage

>>718448807
What the fuck you are talking about tourist faggot?
CS bhopping is even used by casuals and any good player has to master movement tech like jump boosting and silent droping.
Overwatch is filled with mouvement characters like genji or pharah.
Valorant's most played characters are Jett and Raze, the 2 characters with the most movement tech in the game.
Titanfall 2 is still alive and the best movement shooter of all time and its illegitimate more popular child apex legends still has gliding, grapple hooks, bhopping and wall jumping, without mentionning octane.

You should sit on my fucking cock to absorb how fucking wrong you are fucking scrub. Quake and Unreal died because theie devs are fucking retarded and nothing else fucking bitch.

>>718468104
Bullshit. How do you know all the anti movement design wasnt being done by jewish nu-devs?