Thread 718448729

For once, I agree with game journalists.

>>718448729 (OP)
My first experience with AC was my buddy inviting me over to his house to play the first game. I was thinking, yeah, the graphics are good, but the actual combat is really simplistic. Pretty sure we played Halo 3 soon after that instead of AC

AC1 and AC2 are kino. Brotherhood was good too, anything after that they lost their touch and the story reveals itself to have been too retarded the whole time.

oh NOW they're allowed to say it?

Uh-oh, doesn't he know that a woman made that game??

I remembered trying AC1 and 2 I'm earnest when they first came out, and being bored out of my fucking mind. Sluggish and floaty controls and combat, while you're being made to do the most tedious jobs possible. The article is absolutely right.

>>718450239
It's a worse version of Bamham despite being the progenitor of it.

>>718448729 (OP)

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

Say whatever you want but black flag, the ezio games and the first one are good

>>718451918
Correct opinion.
They aren't groundbreaking new games that defined a generation but they were well made, fun and interesting.

The combat was always mid tho

Asshasshin's Sloppa. Vindication it's finally being called out as the FIFA slop it is for non sports gamers. There was a time you knew you were getting a normies shit take on the internet the moment a person brought AC or Uncharted into the discussion.

>>718448729 (OP)
I haven't played AC1 so I don't know if that was bad. But I started with AC2 and that was definitely overrated shit from day one.

>>718448729 (OP)
The only AC I played was the first game, which was such a genuinely awful experience that I never bothered with any sequels and to this day am baffled by how successful the franchise became

It's genuinely a bad game

>>718448729 (OP)
Ezio trilogy is great for most of it, game and lorewise.
Original game is pretty ass to play but it's like Demon's Souls, it got so much right on the first go that it's still worth playing for the backstory.
3 sucks except the boat stuff.
4 sucks except the boat stuff.
The rest of the games are horrendous unplayable dog shit.

>>718452519

did you play it when it first came out when it seemed like photo-realistic graphics to our young, virgin eyes? The kinetic, "realistic" combat with innovative animation systems didn't impress you?

>>718448729 (OP)
desmond is a mutt lmao

>>718452701
worse, a kike

AC1 was not bad, but it wasn't necessarily a tour de force. Frankly a controversial take for me is that Half life 1 and 2 are the same way. Their gameplay is not spectacular, their story is not either. But the former existed a time when story was nonexistent in FPSes so it stands out

>>718452556
They leaned too much into the museum episodic moment in time shit or the Assassins/Templar feud instead of a more character driven story (and their characters tend to suck now). The 2010s really saw an emergence of the
>Setting instead of story.
Kind of writing. Where people loved wiki surfing on the lore more than specifics of the plot itself. Think SCP or 40k. Asscreed isn't quite to the same level but it's similar to where outside of Ezio, Alexios, maybe Bayek, and maybe the pirate blonde guy the characters are all forgettable and because it's separated stories there's no sense of continuity or plot development except again - asses and tempies.

Wrong. We used to have fun stuff like King Washington.

It was always bad but that doesnt mean that gay niggers are fine.
Same way God of war was a mediocre weekend rental masher yet didn't deserve to be turned into a onions movie game.

Kill all journoloids

ezio trilogy is good and unity would be if it wasn't for all that online stuff

>>718452556
>3 sucks except the boat stuff.
>4 sucks except the boat stuff.

3 and 4 suck especially the boat stuff.

>>718450564
>But the things it created were so brilliant and popular, they became woven into the fabric of that work's niche. They ended up being taken for granted, copied, and endlessly repeated.
Doesn't apply to AC at all, sorry

>>718448729 (OP)
This is true. It never reached its ''potential''. First game's mission design was not great but it should've been iterated on. AC2 onwards made it on-foot GTA (until further in, when it became GTA with boats, carriages and whatnot)

>>718450453
It's actually insane this shitty series went on for so long.

>>718454852
80% of modern vido games are just reskinned assassin's creed

"Game you like is actually terrible and that's a good thing! 10 games that are similar to this bad game that you should really try out. #6 will shock you!"
*Article and video created with ai*

>>718455006
No you faggot.
Lazy video game reviewers just default to comparing games to AC. They see towers and it's suddenly LE UBI-SOFT (regardless of the context, or the execution). I think this is mostly coming from AC fans.

>>718450303
>AC1 and AC2 are kino. Brotherhood was good too
literally the only good things about the games, especially the older ones, was the parkour system. it was really impressive.
Other than that, the story sucks, the gameplay was awful (especially for a "stealth" game), and the actual combat was so braindead that there was a 0% chance of ever dying once you were spotted. The missions variety was also pretty bad, and most of it was just "sit around/walk around" filler shit

>>718452556
The only "bad" thing about AC1 is being too easy but that's an issue with all the ACs I've played (the Ezio trilogy and AC3) and the collectathon that exists just for the sake of being an collectathon that offers no benefit other than the fun of exploration, something that the dopamine addicts can't handle.

Personally I don't give a damn about the plot. Just really wanted some ancient stealth action in ancient locations.

>>718451995
In Black Flag, it was fun to wander around and explore islands, hunt animals to upgrade your gear. The combat was simplistic, but there were tons of kill animations in case of a successful counter (it took into account the weapon you had equipped: pistol, single or double sword, rifle, knife, assassin's rope, etc.).

>>718450521
>despite
Isn't iteration the point?
Doom is a worse version of quake 'despite' being the progenitor of it.

>>718448729 (OP)
not for the reasons people seem to think though.
the first few games were undercooked and pretty much exclusively for a very specific type of person because of it but were not consumed or marketed to that type of person.

they were great games for giving you the free form flexibility to do cool shit and kill people how you want, with enough things in the way so you actually had to think, but simplistic and easy enough direct combat that if ever made a mistake rather than getting punished (you are meant to be some insane badass assassin, right?) you could just kill them and move on.
pretty much they were stealth games for people who didn't actually want to have to play 100% stealthy all the time, which are usually giga punishing and awful to casually play, assassins creed basically removed the punishment and made the more sandboxy but also removed a good chunk of the depth but added a lot of width.


people complaining about the combat are missing the point of the games.

but then the people making them seemed to not understand the point of the games and then they also went off the rails and were not really for anyone.
they had already been quite bad for a long while before the more rpg focused shift of the series which just made it baffling for anyone to play and I don't understand anyone who would shill those games, the public consensus on them is insane.

>>718448729 (OP)
>thegaymer
OP should neck herself

>>718450303
it wasn't bad but it wasn't that good either, it's a series that started out mediocre but turned into absolute garbage
the first 3 looks good in comparison now but they were still kinda meh

>>718454994
Because there's literally nothing else that does open world stealth parkour. A billion other games that does open world super human parkour sure.

>>718448729 (OP)
So why were journalists defending it like their life depends on it if assassins creed has always been shit? Smells like cope to me

>>718456770
>So why were journalists defending it
It starts with "paid" and ends with "shill", I'll give you 3 guesses.

>>718455818
black flag was mid but there werent any other mid single player pirate games in the years leading up to it or since

>>718454956
This is the correct answer.

>>718448729 (OP)
however
>thegamer

>>718448729 (OP)
it wasn't "bad", just basic.
the game became bad as soon as they introduced level scaling, IIRC they did it back in the WE WUZ KANGZ game

>>718448729 (OP)
I think assgreed 1 and 2 are good mostly because they "felt" like Prince of Persia's spiritual successor, for good or worse, and because they went open world. Their fresh presentation was good enough to fool people into thinking that they are good games. In reality, their gameplay is formulated and janky as fuck, the stealth always sucked, and the parts when you are not inside the animus machine were always boring.
As ubishit was pumping out assgreed titles, their presentation quality degraded and the bad parts of the assgreed formulas were starting to show more and more

>>718448729 (OP)
yup, will never understand how a shitty series with automated parkour and one button combat became so popular

>>718448729 (OP)
Something I realized a long time ago is that the average person is very stupid and has the worst taste you can imagine.
It's rare that I find a game I truly love, but the average game enjoyer will just eat up slop and tell you it's the best thing he's ever tasted, that you're in the wrong for wanting better, that you should be happy to even have slop.
Anyway, I completely agree, AC has always been trash, the only interesting aspect of it being the revisionism of human history but even that ended up going nowhere.

>>718457386
no automated parkour until ac3

Your game feels so good, Jade

>>718448729 (OP)
Yeah I kinda agree. I played through the entirety of the first game and continually asked myself "Damn, when does this get good?" And then the credits rolled and I sat there wondering what the fuck I had just spent all that time on. Now as for 2 and all of Ezio's story, I enjoyed it a lot more. the rest of the series besides black flag is shit. And BF was only fun for the piracy aspect. the rest was mid as fuck

None of the assassinations were that interesting. Hitman mogged it in that regard. Combat was whatever.

>>718450350
Ubi's marketing dollars ran out. Look at how long it is before their next games.

>>718454518
you can't tell me you have play a better game with boat stuff besides a fuck boat simulator. somehow Ubisoft lost the plot after brotherhood.

>>718448729 (OP)
What's their next mantra going to be? "Assassins creed was always a failure"?

AC2 was as good as people told me RDR was supposed to be.

>>718448729 (OP)
>ackchully popular thing was always bad

>>718455240
The historical settings were also unique and interesting

>>718458452
You'd be more at home at r/assassinscreed, the games have always been garbage, you just have bad taste.

>>718457931
Goddamn this shit looks so stupid

i played ac2 when it came out and i was excited because i heard it was open world and i liked open world games
i was so disappointed with its soulless open world compared to bethesda games. open worlds that only exist to be empty space in between designated quest locations may as well not exist. i come to find out many popular open world games are actually quite thin on soul.

>>718450303
AC1 fucking sucks, it's literally a tech demo with 5 activities and one of those activities is sitting on a bench. AC2 was a huge, colossal upgrade and I think I'd hate it if I played it now but every AC after just bored me to tears. It's a bad series, its always had bad parkour and bad combat and bad stealth and for a series about parkour, combat and stealth that's a pretty major issue.

I liked AC because it felt like a natural evolution of the open world superhero games like spiderman and hulk ultimate destruction. later games killed the magic.

Wrong. Assassins Creed was a revolutionary game for the video game industry that showed the next gen gaming steps, with its advanced climbing mechanics and advanced combat mechanics. i will conceed that the game is just rehashed slop with better graphics. but to say that its all bad is a zoomer, born after the first game was released take.

>>718459256
>advanced combat mechanics
XD

>>718448729 (OP)
>Implying that the Nigger game didn't kill the franchise
Globohomo is really bending over backwards

AC1 has a lot of charm, but ultimately, even by the standards of the time, I don't think it clears the bar for being called a good game.

>>718448729 (OP)
Why's every article written by an Indian now?

>>718459363
you can deny me, but you cannot deny history and how events happened. for i am just the messanger.

>game about being an assassin
>fighting in the middle of streets and in front of dozens of people in broad daylight
Yeah, no.

>>718448729 (OP)
personally I think the second one was good, and the next one too since it was the same game
I haven't played black flag, people here seem to like it but personally I gave up on the series after the third entry.
AC is a series that it came out today for the first time people would wonder if it's made by AI.

>>718459256
no, it's a "take" by someone who has played vidya before

AC was always a walk and talk, no gameplay, all presentation, shitty movie game, from the first entry

you are just dumb enough to get deceived by parlor tricks like an open world ans think this adds anything

>>718457931
lol also is this a negro officer?

>>718459256
I distinctly remember /v/ shitting all over asscreed back when it was released

it was always trash for gamers with no standards
I've played ac1 when it came out and it was one of the worst games I've ever played

>>718455240
Story is great in the first game and awful in every following game.

>>718457931
Do some of those guards have pith helmets or something? Those weren't a thing for another 100 or so years as far as I know

>>718459703
lmfao

>>718460018
suck a dick and die fagwad.

>>718458539
you are incorrect.

>>718448729 (OP)
Ac 1 and 2 were the only good ones, with a great set up of conspiracy, hidden factions and god civilization with memories of Adam and Eve.
Brotherhood was the point when you can see the troubles in the development starting while 3 and beyond were total jumping of the shark.

It could have gone the route of "modern day assassins versus modern day templars" with the whole implication of Desmond learning shit from the animus and having eagle vision showing him all the conspiracy beyound the curtain stuff, but they squandered it hard, opting to go for a conveyor of more and more casualised shit instead of making an overlapping story of past and present.

Oh and also "Mayan calendar end of the world in 2012" always cringe as fuck in 3 and I could not bear to launch the game ever again after they mentioned it.

>play AC1
>assassinate target
>game wants you to flee and hide
>just equip the hidden blade and oneshot counter every guard who attacks you until the alert is over cause all the guards are dead
kino

>>718459817
>videogames are le bad because guy on internet said so
yeah, im pretty sure you can look up any videogame in the history of videogames and someone on the internet said something bad about it. what a stupid way to live your life. i bet you dont do anything fun because you just look for validation from everyone else.

what in tarnation

there has to be a fine line between what is factually a bad game and what is just internet drama of limp wrist do nothings.

>>718460396
"Assassin's Creed was OK but had some flaws that impacted enjoyment and replay value" isn't getting any clicks

>>718460396
Game I don't like = dogshit game
Simple as

>>718460293
your argument was
>but to say that its all bad is a zoomer, born after the first game was released take.
yet I remember that even back then people were not too fond of the game, so clearly that can't be true
which granted, that was a long time ago and memory is fallible, but I'm still pretty certain about that

looking back it's just a tech demo for it's dynamic movement, which granted was a little ahead of the time
but everything else about the game sucked cock; don't know about future games, didn't play or care

>>718448729 (OP)
AC1 is kino, and AC2 is unironically one of the best games ever made

>>718461463
lard ass.

>>718462901
my BMI would currently classify me at the extreme lower end of normal, with most of my adult life bouncing between "underweight" or "severely underweight"

>>718450521
How is it the "progenitor"?

>>718448729 (OP)
I've been saying this for decades

pirates of the caribbean was a better game than ass creed 1

>>718463470
start drinking pabts blue ribbon. it'll fatten you up real quick

>>718448729 (OP)
It's true. However, while AC1 wasn't a good game, it was a very cool experiment.
I appreciate what they were trying to do.

Too bad they told it was good for the past ten years or how fucking many it has been already. The series was always complete dogshit

>>718448729 (OP)
AC1 was mid but was different and innotive back when it released. AC peak during the Ezio trilogy, AC3 was mid the they ruined the story by killing off Desmond and the whole storyline that everyone had been following since AC1. AC4 was ok and was more like AC2, the rest of the games since have just been Assin of the month type episodes.

Only truly good AC games are the Ezio ones, Odyssey is good but had nothing to do with Assassins or Templars and might as well be a spin off title rather than a mainline game.

>>718459810
It's a white brit

>>718448729 (OP)
That's revisionist history, they were never good as in 10/10 but none of the games are outright bad either

>>718448729 (OP)
I agree, I returned to replay the series and it's boring as fuck.
Honestly even Ubisoft's precursor Prince of Persia games weren't great.

I'll always like 4 for its novelty, but it's pretty hard to replay. The core of AC is pretty boring.

>>718450564
This is indeed the case and anything else is zoomer revisionism. AssCreed 1 was very innovative and a true AAA experience by the standards of the time. It was also extremely influential and basically the blueprint for the decade of open world slop we've had.

>>718448729 (OP)
I'm glad the retards are catching up with what I've been saying since the first game came out. AC is just a watered down version of Prince of Persia Sands of Time with bad open world level design and the difficulty stripped away. I'm sure the arguments they're making are retarded normalfags ones but I won't give them any clicks to find out

>>718466541
The gameplay foundation was there, at least in the stealth games but Ubisoft absolutely can't design missions around it.

>>718459817
You remember wrong. The entire reason why I even got into the series was because of all the positive threads here at launch. People only started to turn on AC seriously around Brotherhood because they thought it was a rehash, then Revelations because it definitely was a rehash + tower defense segments sucked, and then the straw that broke the camel's back was AC3 which led to a lot of actual hatred for the series and what happened to it. Black Flag was always a mixed bag in the threads, and everything after that was mostly just a mix of normal discussion and shitposting. Black Flag got more positive discussion years after release and particularly Unity, but at launch it was fairly divisive here.

With 1 there was tons of Jade Raymond shitposting for months leading up to release. People constantly ragged on it for how simplistic it was to parkour, you could just fight stuff instead of run away, or because of how abrupt it felt. People also complained about the bigger issues like the repetition of missions. But there were also tons of people discussing it positively or defending it.

If you want to see some examples:
https://old.sage.moe/v/thread/8175915/
https://old.sage.moe/v/thread/8244694
https://old.sage.moe/v/thread/8273654/
https://old.sage.moe/v/thread/8297039/ (Pretty good example of levelheadedness in the thread, just ignore the pasta at the end since it's a Jade Raymond meme pasta)
https://old.sage.moe/v/thread/8336870/ (Praise for both Mass Effect and AC1)
https://old.sage.moe/v/thread/8485709/ (Normal AC1 thread at launch)
https://old.sage.moe/v/thread/8303936/
You can just search the site with AC terms like "Desmond", "Vidic", etc and sort by oldest first to get some good results. I distinctly remember threads about Clay's messages.

AC3 is to Assassin's Creed threads here like Modern Warfare 3 was to Call of Duty threads. Discussion heavily got cut when those games came out and a lot of the good will people had here was gone at that point.

>>718448729 (OP)
The first one felt incredible to play for its time, just due to how flashy it was, and how it felt like you were doing some highly choreographed swashbuckling sword fighting shit, but as far as I’m concerned, the franchise gassed out around 3, and Bamham and Shadow of Mordor/War took that basic formula, and did far more interesting things with it in far more interesting settings.

>>718452678
No I played it years later 'cause I found a Greatest Hits copy in a bargain bin

My biggest memory from the game is how beggars on the street would seemingly home in on me and shove me, for no particular reason, ruining my cover and on one particularly awful occasion sending me tumbling straight into a guard and triggering an alert.
This happened so frequently I was like "fuck this, I'll take the rooftops" only to find that they're absolutely covered in guards and being spotted up there ALSO triggered an alert.

>>718448729 (OP)
>ubisoft runs out of money
>gaming journalists suddenly turn against ubisoft
really makes you think