Thread 718451913

having player character dialog actually be spoken is simply a better more immersive system and people were way too autistic about it so we probably will never see it again in a bethesda game. having the camera move and cut cinematically while you have a real dialog with a character is so much better than the locked first person, one sided conversations. it should at least be an option you can toggle on and off.

>>718451913 (OP)
The worst part is that normalfags genuinely think like this, even BG3 wasn't enough to sway them
grim

gotta disagree. for me it breaks the immersion because the PC is now some jackass and not my self insert

horribly unbelievable bait

>>718452182
not bait it feels so primitive playing starfield and it's just clicking on sentences with a locked camera. just clicking on words while the npc just talks to no one. plus you don't get to see your character

>>718451913 (OP)
>having player character dialog actually be spoken is simply a better more immersive system

How is it immersive if your character speaks? It's someone else's voice and not yours.

>>718452470
>>718452110
wait you actually self insert? like you pretend it's you in the game? you can be anyone you want in a role playing game and you pick...yourself?

>>718452704
>you can be anyone you want in a role playing game and you pick...yourself?

Do you not like yourself?

>>718451913 (OP)
>I feel fine.

>>718452704
In Bethesda games I do, because in Bethesda games (and other similar games), I create a blank slate of a character. I create his looks, give him a name, and choose his traits and skills. So, yes, I prefer if the character is silent. But in a game like The Witcher, I prefer the protagonist to be voiced, because I don't get to choose virtually anything regarding Geralt.

Yeah it worked so well that bethesda canned all the player voice lines in starfield

>>718452931
>But in a game like The Witcher, I prefer the protagonist to be voiced, because I don't get to choose virtually anything regarding Geralt.

That's not true, actually. You chose to play Witcher 3, and that means you approve of the character you're playing as. I'm guessing you haven't played BG3, but even if you pick a pre-made character, it isn't voiced. I think that's a good thing.

>>718452836
it's more fun to be someone else

>>718453128
Most people just want to be a super version of themselves. Like, it's them but they're super strong and they shape the world however they want, unlike their real life version which has limited control over what happens in the world.

>>718453108
>That's not true, actually. You chose to play Witcher 3, and that means you approve of the character you're playing as.
No, I make choices that I think Geralt would make knowing who Geralt is. I don't pretend to be Geralt in my mind while I do pretend to be my guy in Bethesda games.

>>718453493
>I make choices that I think Geralt would make knowing who Geralt is

What? Why do you think you're even given a choice if there's a "right" choice?

>>718453530
Because a lot of people don't know who Geralt is (haven't read the books) and just might not see it the same way I do?

>>718451913 (OP)
>yes
>yes but sarcastic
>tell me more
>no (yes)

LET ME HAVE A TASTE OF YOUR PUSSYHOLE

silent protag is terrible, voiced protag is the way to go. retards so brain dead they cant roleplay they need a mute mime for every game fucking ruins 90% of all interactions in all games because its just monologuing to a wall

>>718451913 (OP)
Voiced dialouge means that dialouge will be simplified and you will have less choices and options. It's only ever been a negative in any WRPG franchise that historically had good dialouge choices. Like CRPGs. Even older Bethesda games did it better.

>>718451913 (OP)
I don't mind voiced but the camera switch is garbage and retarded, there is an on off though

>>718453741
This is a design issue and not completely the fault of a voiced protagonist. Starfield does the same shit with a silent protagonist

>>718451913 (OP)
Most people don't dislike player character having voice, they dislike the effects of it like limited dialogue choices, game size bloat or poor budget allocation during development
It's one of things that AI voices would be good for

>>718453632
The devs give people a choice because not everyone agrees on right and wrong. It's kind of sad that you don't understand. It's like a game has a choice between
>save character A
>save character B
99% of people playing (except you, apparently) will pick the character that they like more. You pick the character that you think the protagonist likes more. Sorry if you can't see how absurd that is.

>>718453916
yeah but one was clearly influenced by the other

>>718453819
B O M B A C L O T

>>718451913 (OP)
If you have a voiced protagonist then you should just not have dialogue options.
Having to select a paraphrase is the worst of both worlds.

>>718454319
>If you have a voiced protagonist then you should just not have dialogue options.

Yeah, absolutely. I played The Last of Us, and I was fine with it, because you're playing as Joel. When you play something like The Witcher, you have people (there's a guy in this very thread) who can't even understand why there are dialogue options. That only happens because the character is voiced, and he knows he's playing someone else.

>>718453994
What makes you think I don't understand? I thought I made it quite clear that I understand when I said that people might not see it the same way that I do. What I want to know is why are you so upset about this? Do I have to see it the way you do?

>>718454503
>What I want to know is why are you so upset about this?

I'm upset because I'm talking to a stupid person, and by stupid person I mean the entire website is stupid. I'm filtering this thread now. The vast majority of the board is auto filtered. Reply if you want.

>>718452704
no you stupid fucking retard
I like to hear it in my own head

its like reading a book but you've probably too fucking stupid to comprehend that

>>718451913 (OP)
>having player character dialog actually be spoken is simply a better more immersive system and people were way too autistic about it so we probably will never see it again in a bethesda game
Only if you’re a casual that can’t roleplay. I mean imagine being so incapable of abstraction that you can’t imagine what you own character someone that you created sounds like. You basically think of everything from where they were born to what they look like yet their voice a fundamental part of who they are is completely lost to you. That’s just retarded.

>>718451913 (OP)
It worked for Fallout 4 because there were no choices to be made

>>718455181
>about to make an apple post
>see this
based

>>718452704
yes

>>718452704
Yes. The average videogame protagonist is already generic white male, might as well skip the middle man.

>>718451913 (OP)
sure - as long as the dialogue's quality isn't lowered due to constraints of having to voice act everything. But this is Bethesda, so it doesn't really apply in this case.

>>718451913 (OP)
Agree on the first-person shit but
>he can't imagine the player speaking without having one of four limp-wristed Californian faggots say it for him
NGMI.
>>718453994
What's absurd about that? The choices exist so people can play differently. That other anon choosing to play as the protagonist is no different from you choosing to play as yourself.

>>718457404
You should actually try playing Fallout 4 sometime. I think you'll be shocked by how many choices there are in the game. Fun fact: There are more player decisions in Fallout 4 than Fallout New Vegas.

>>718460523
Stop lying Todd

>>718460578
Sorry, it's just a fact.

>>718460607
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The best RPGs like witcher 3 and cyberpunk have voiced characters. It's just far superior than having unvoiced dialogue.

The voiced character is fine, the dialogue not matching what the VA says is not.

>>718460641
How would you even know when you haven't played Fallout 4?

>>718460647
Neither of those are RPGs.

>>718451913 (OP)
Yeah nah.

>>718452704
that's literally the point of RPGs you normgroid
>>718460523
are you going to give a comparison are something or just talk out of your ass?

>>718451913 (OP)
Between voiced with bare-minimum dialogue choices, and non-voiced with detailed dialogue choices and deeper conversation system, latter is a no-brainer choice and it's more immersive, and you're disingenuous retard for propping up as if former is better.
>B...BUT WHAT IF DETAILED DIALOGUE CHOICES BUT THEY ARE ALL VOICED
but money don't grow on trees

>>718452283
Yeah and Starfield is shit because they didn't utilize the creative liberty with the protag being unvoiced to put as many dialogue writing as possible
That dialogue option is so bad lmao

>>718451913 (OP)
If the future of game dialogue isn't having dynamic conversations with AI powered NPCs, then AI as a technology was a waste of time.

>>718461878
Wait for another 10 years

>>718460647
cdpr slop features even less dialogue options that fo4

>>718451913 (OP)
The problem is that it doesn't work with Bethesda's style of the everyman self-insert. Too much dialogue for the voice actor to record, and even if they could it would never fit into the mental image everyone has of their own, personal character. Voice acting works in rpgs with a character that have an actual personality and a background, like the Witcher or Mass Effect, but in Bethesda games it clashes with how the game is set up. They half-assed it in Fallout 4 too with the soldier background for nate and lawyer for nora, but it's ultimately inconsequential to the game because they were too afraid of making something set in stone for the character. Voices don't mix with blank slates. You can have one or the other, but not both.

>>718451913 (OP)
Atleast someone in Bethesda had the humor to turn your character into a sarcastic psychopath whos always taking the piss. Its the only way I can play through the story.

>>718452704
actually you need to roleplay as Donald Draper

>>718460953
>literally the point of RPGs
You dumb fucking scum sucking nigger faggot. It's not. The point of an RPG is playing the character you want to play and making the choices that THEY would make. Otherwise nobody would ever nuke Megaton or enslave kids for Eulogy Jones. Only the most boring, normal faggots that have ever touched a fucking game play as themselves, making a character that looks like them and making the choices that they would make if they were transported into that world. IT'S CALLED ROLE PLAYING SO PLAY A FUCKING ROLE!

>>718452704
>I need the game to tell me what to feel
A real #5 answer lmao

>>718451913 (OP)
Fish on!

>>718454547
Live autistic melty.

>>718455181
I wish I could be number one.
My thoughts are only words, at best I can feel, not see, a foggy image that slips away the second I try to get more details.

>>718466724
Normalfags are completely incapable of separating themselves from their character's actions and need to overlap real world issues in a fantasy one.
That is why we get those people demonising someone irl for daring to do a legion run in NV, dying on the hill that DA's Templars are bad and unneeded when literally everything bad in the setting was caused by elves, mages and elven mages or treat ME Krogan as poor dindus when the genophage was executed by the Salarians to stop the genocide of the Turians without needing to resort to genocide themselves.

>>718451913 (OP)
>Fallout 4 sister
>Is mtf
>Shrieks about self inserting
Bet you love all the cuck scenes in CoC2 lmao

>>718451913 (OP)
none of this shit is even as good as the talking heads were in fallout fucking one, it wound up taking something that is inherently disruptive, pausing the game to engage in arbitrary conversation, and made it immersive with a charming UI and expressive, emotive NPC faces that were purposefully more detailed than the game's standard visuals

meanwhile, in Bethesda games, you just stand around like an asshole right in front of whoever you're talking to, and the whole world either freezes around you, or it doesn't and ignores what you're doing, either way it looks and feels like shit

>>718451913 (OP)
I don't really care about the voice protage but how about you give us more then four options for dialog that are actually different like in the old games?

>>718464364
>like the Witcher or Mass Effect
What about Dragon Age 2/Inquisition?