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Anonymous No.718460487 >>718460818 >>718461353 >>718461791 >>718462512 >>718462995 >>718463576
I'm desperate for more knowledge-gated deductive-reasoning & metroidbrainia games. I feel like I've played them all. No other genre scratches this itch. It's like the holy grail of game design.
Anonymous No.718460565 >>718460663 >>718460672 >>718460731 >>718462876 >>718478937 >>718479073
Anonymous No.718460663
>>718460565
Is Heavens Vault any good?
Anonymous No.718460672 >>718460819
>>718460565
This photo has too much fat. In reality there are very little of those that fit within the category I'm looking for, and the ones that are, I've already played.
Anonymous No.718460731 >>718461150
>>718460565
A lot of tranny shit in this image
Anonymous No.718460818 >>718462302
>>718460487 (OP)
Way of the Samurai 4. You use your knowledge of previous deaths to unlock new paths, although the game doesn't acknowledge it. Think of it as Edo Groundhog Day.
Anonymous No.718460819 >>718462302 >>718463079
>>718460672
If you're looking for games like the OP I would suggest the various Myst-like games, La Mulana 1 and 2, Animal Farm, Void Stranger, and Tunic.
Those games all have a lot of gameplay of other genres mixed in though.

Also if you liked Rise of the GOlden Idol you should check out the DLC if you haven't already, I've been enjoying all of the DLC so far
Anonymous No.718461071 >>718461150
I feel like there's a separation people don't make about this genre
Games can be separated into ones with implicit and explicit learning methods.
Explicit is when the tools given are directly presented to you, and you just have to figure out how they work. I.e. Outer Wilds teleporters.
Implicit is when you have reo find both the tool and how to use it properly. I.e. sticking spears into walls in Rain World
Anonymous No.718461150
>>718460731
Oh heavens me. I'll have to consult my Wokeness Spreadsheet before I pirate any of them.

>>718461071
They're called inventories.
Anonymous No.718461353 >>718462302 >>718462302
>>718460487 (OP)
>"detective gamer"
>can't find any detective games besides popular ones that make it to the steam home page
Anonymous No.718461518 >>718461815 >>718462302 >>718462302 >>718466235
Prove to me you're a gamer worth talking to and I might afford you some obscure games that are exactly what you are looking for.
Anonymous No.718461749 >>718461815 >>718462302
Answer incorrectly, and I will still give you detective games. They'll just be crummy ones and you'll be too dumb to tell the difference.
Anonymous No.718461791
>>718460487 (OP)
Just say you want redditslop
Anonymous No.718461815 >>718462008
>>718461518
>>718461749
Anonymous No.718462008 >>718462302
>>718461815
Anonymous No.718462032 >>718462302
Entire thread full of losers and I "like" some of these games
Anonymous No.718462224
Beware, /v/ plebs. This guy is kind of a big deal around here.
Anonymous No.718462302 >>718462505 >>718462945
>>718461353
>>718461518
I must admit that it's hard to discern what's worth playing and what's shovelware if there's no word of mouth recommendation. I'd be eager for anything have as good as Lorelei or Type Help. Picrel is all the indies I've loved this year, even without the confines of the deductive-reasoning genre/category.
>>718461353
PS1 aesthetic brings aversion, so does a manga aesthetic >>718461518 and this just looks like shovelware >>718461749 , can't tell with this one >>718462008

>>718460818
>>718460819
Appreciate these recommendations, will check them out. Forgot to include Tunic as one I've played though, and Void Stranger kind of filtered me -- I didn't stick it out for long.
>>718462032
>Entire thread full of losers
Where do you think we are?.webm
Anonymous No.718462505 >>718462662
>>718462302
>I must admit that it's hard to discern what's worth playing and what's shovelware if there's no word of mouth recommendation

Is...playing the game not an option to determine what sort of game it is?
Anonymous No.718462512
>>718460487 (OP)
https://outerwildsmods.com/mods/astralcodec/
Anonymous No.718462662 >>718463003
>>718462505
Can't play every game. There's lots out there.
Anonymous No.718462876
>>718460565
>random cryptic schizo stuff
>undertale
Anonymous No.718462945 >>718463205
>>718462302
I can suggest a free alpha game that's bit like rain world physically (persistent creatures, hidden systems) and neo scavenger (complex survival mechanics, roguelite) where most of the gameplay is thinking about your actions and leaning to navigate and use your environment, but it has a singular flaw - it's furshit
Interested?
Anonymous No.718462995
>>718460487 (OP)
void stranger is the goat
Anonymous No.718463003 >>718463205
>>718462662
A detective game for your capabilities, then.
Anonymous No.718463079
>>718460819
>Animal Farm
great book, I think OP would enjoy animal well thoughbeit
Anonymous No.718463205 >>718463290 >>718463735 >>718466265
>>718462945
Sure, but why ask? I think I've seen webms on the board of the game you're talking about.
>>718463003
I don't even know what you were assessing in the first place.
Anonymous No.718463290
>>718463205
>I don't even know what you were assessing in the first place.

if only there were ways to figure things out from incomplete information
Anonymous No.718463576 >>718463742 >>718470418
>>718460487 (OP)
>metroidbrainia games. I feel like I've played them all
Have you played La-Mulana? The original Riven, Tunic, The Witness, Painscreek...?

Enigma Of Fear is quite nice yet underrated, heavily recommended if you love OW, Tunic, Lorelei. Probably the most OW-like game I've played with how it's constructed yet I never see OW fans mention it.

Now this is a deep cut, for those who are really autistic with the cryptic stuff and schizo note taking. Reverie https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=38068
Don't be put off by it being a mario romhack, it's a massive metroidbrainia, so many clever twists and layers and 'oh shit' eureka moments. I can't convince anyone to play this despite wanting to shout how wild and awesomely designed it is, it's the closest experience I've found to La-Mulana, an absolute joy, and the fact that there's essentially no discourse about it anywhere online just makes it feel even more mysterious and challenging to complete. Any fan of the genre should play it, it pains me that it gets zero attention.

These 2 are really good, short, sweet... and free
soulware.itch.io/broken-keyboard-hero (very Tunic)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2423710/Eldritchvania/ (a blatant Mulana-like but more accessible)
Anonymous No.718463735
>>718463205
People tend to have very volatile reactions to it and it's better to prepare the ground in advance.
It's really unique because of how completely dedicated it is to the idea of throwing you into a hostile world and slowly watching your drown like in rain world - just with a lot more medical autism that's honestly executed better than in most comparable (cataclysm/project zomboid) survival games.
it doesn't have overt puzzles, but most systems the game has outside the basic UI interactions you have to learn on your own, and nearly every single thing you can use or do has multiple layers of depth to it.
https://orsonik.itch.io/scav-prototype
Anonymous No.718463742 >>718466381
>>718463576
not op
That mario hack looks cool as fuck
Anonymous No.718466235 >>718478518
>>718461518
snob
Anonymous No.718466265 >>718466625
>>718463205
You're probably thinking of Scav Prototype, yeah. It pops up here every now and then, always in threads where someone's looking for "the real shit" and a dozen people throw out cute walking sims and shallow puzzleclones. It's rough, but it sticks with you. Dev's probably some unhinged hermit with a grudge against usability. Try staying warm in it for more than 10 minutes without screaming.

Also respect for not balking at the fur angle-most anons fold there.
Anonymous No.718466381
>>718463742
It is. The author is extremely talented and is obviously a huge fan of Riven, La-Mulana, Outer Wilds, Tunic... He's played them all and this hack is one big impressive, inspired synthesis. But that's why I would recommend it only to the autists who have played them all already because it's on the hard/schizo side of the genre and also has a lot of cool game design nods. If he made a commercial game and hired a good marketer, he could be getting the same attention as Animal Well or Blue Prince, but instead he releases his autism for free on Mario hacks so no one gives a shit.

It's a deep and tricky rabbit hole kind of game, it constantly recontextualizes itself and your understanding of it. By the end of it I had many pages of notes, theories, weird symbols and annotated maps, most of the puzzles hit that ideal difficulty and creative cleverness balance (some can get TOO clever and drove me nuts or hints are a bit questionable though, it's not perfect). When OP says it's a holy grail of game design, that's also how I feel, I don't only value the challenge of a puzzle but also the cohesiveness, cleverness, elegance, and that game is full of the good stuff. The map design is incredibly thoughtful, I'll just say it's that kind of very rare game where the map is a puzzle.

I wish I could say more about it. Just one small spoiler-free example but he managed to go the extra mile so some puzzle elements would be randomized and unique to your playthrough so you can't copy solutions online but have to understand the underlying systems, managed to code that in a Mario hack, think about that, when most commercial examples don't even bother with that level of effort. There's so much I could say to shill it about the kind of things it does that are just pure crack for my brain as an obsessed fan of the genre, but I want like-minded anons to go in as blind as possible, reach the true end with as a little spoiler as possible, it's such a satisfying unique experience.
Anonymous No.718466625
>>718466265
Usability is fine, UI navigation just serves it's purpose of becoming another skill to manage
Use buffer containers, remember of where you keep stuff and don't misclick and the crafting speed is actually much faster than in many games where you have to manually select items in the menu
Here's a webm of me suboptimally gathering and crafting resources for a 4 stage crafting recipe
Anonymous No.718466686 >>718467456
I played a bit of reverie (not very much, got the key for the castle thing in the east then got distracted by other shit) but I really hate the short time limit loop thing, I liked ow but didn't really enjoy playing it. I like to take my time goddamnit, I hate figuring something out but then having to wait til the next loop to actually be able to do it.
Might give it another shot when my backlog is shorter
Anonymous No.718466754 >>718467812
Back to the dawn - timed prison simulator
Look outside - timed apocalypse simulator
Both need some brainpower/detetive to beat
Anonymous No.718467456 >>718467649
>>718466686
The time loop goes away after the tutorial.
Anonymous No.718467649
>>718467456
OK, I'll bump it up the 'log kek
my insistence on avoiding spoilers for these kinda things bites me in the ass again
Anonymous No.718467812
>>718466754
>Back to the dawn
>furshit
>"story-rich RPG"
>chink devs
goddammit
Anonymous No.718468734
Damn finally a thread for 155+ IQ gamers.
Anonymous No.718470418
>>718463576
shadows of doubt is meh
it's very barebones, and after you complete 2-3 cases, you can see the patterns in the generated missions very clearly which nearly trivializes the game, especially with the upgrades you get
Anonymous No.718474113
Bump
Anonymous No.718476076
I got whispers of kelsden but haven't had much of a chance to play it yet. Originally it would even boot up but there's a patch now and it starts.
Anonymous No.718478518
>>718466235
slob
Anonymous No.718478937
>>718460565
did soulja boy really say that
Anonymous No.718479056
Öoo is really good. It's short, but does a lot with its concept
Anonymous No.718479073
>>718460565
subprime, outdated list. casual tier
Anonymous No.718479524
Which one of these can I play on My Android phone?
Anonymous No.718479679
People who rely on old tired lists of what games are good are pathetic. try something new for once in your life.
Anonymous No.718480706
Bump