Thread 718464943

Say thank you Nvidia.

>>718464943 (OP)
>you need to lower the game res to 720 and then make your GPU guess pixels to fill the display in order to enjoy a modern game in 4k at a smooth framerate
>this is seen as good for some reason

>>718464943 (OP)
oh wait you're talking about framegen
>your gpu needs to insert generated frames between existing frames in order to have a smooth experience
>only real frames are considered for inputs, thus input delay stays the same as having low frames
>this is considered good for some reason

>>718465029
>>718465095
DLSS and framegen are good and necessary if Epic is gonna make a shit engine.

>>718465180
No, you troonie.

>>718465367
Worked with Robocop.

>>718465514
>1920x1080
if you cared about your image quality you wouldn't have a 1080p monitor and dogshit GPU

Nvidia is the one enamling ue5 bullshit and making even people with top rigs feel like poorfags with upscaling enabled by default. And they sometimes just fucking lie, wuchang fallen feathers just forced upscaling no matter what options you changed and Supraworld seems to be doing the same thing

>>718465673
>wuchang fallen feathers just forced upscaling no matter what options you changed
it was broken and now it isn't.

fake money
fake frames
fake women
amerimutts are cooked

>modern game devs are unironically "optimizing" their games with the expectation that people will just turn on upscaling and fake frames and by result also straight up lie to you about game requirements
JUST

>>718465662
Not an argument troonie.
15yo games look far more pleasant and STABLE than any UE5 slop, that are just poorly optimized and designed crap, running on TV media production engine.

>>718464943 (OP)
*pays Epic under the table to make Unreal Engine 5 games unplayable dogshit to to shill your AI fake frame slop*
FTFY

>>718465857
What you will never understand is that DLSS only looks like shit on low end shit GPUs.
My point stands. You're a seething poorfag with a shit computer crying about why games look like shit on it.

>>718465887
>*pays Epic under the table to make Unreal Engine 5 games unplayable dogshit

Isn't that on the... DEVS of those games?

>>718464943 (OP)
I won't shit on the fake resolution and fake frames technology it's actually pretty cool, it's just a shame that devs are using it as a crutch for really badly optimized games.

>>718466192
>DLSS only looks like shit on low end shit GPUs
Wrong. They look shit no matter what, because it's literally just an upscaler exploiting temporal reconstruction shit.

>>718466372
>everything looks like shit on my shit pc so everything must be shit
you will never know. keep blaming everything else

>>718466256
If the vast majority of games made on a specific engine run like shit by default, there's something wrong with the engine. Simple as.

>>718466192
DLSS is deterministic. The hardware it's being run on only affects speed, not output.

>>718466742
that's why the image posted above looks nothing like what I see on my PC

>>718465029
>he plays at 1080p

>>718464943 (OP)
I tried those fake frames on Hitman World of Assassination and it was a complete stuttering mess, while It runs smooth without it

>>718465180
epic makes a shit engine because dlss allows them to

>>718464943 (OP)
I love framegen. /v/ will never spite me out of it. The smoothness and longevity of the technology is supreme. And it's only going to get better.

>>718465029
>you need to lower your resolution to 1440p, which is higher than anon's target resolution because he lives in Slovakia

>>718465857
>not DLSS ghosting
>poor
Shocking that you can't afford an education.

>>718466192
>What you will never understand is that DLSS only looks like shit on low end shit GPUs.

Somehow old tech looked consistently good no matter the hardware. Was it black magic?

>>718464943 (OP)
*is the reason devs don't even optimize their games

>>718465180
It's trash and garbage

Not upscaling
Not framegenning
Will continue to laugh at mass layoffs and obituaries

>>718466820
More frames, more DLSS samples, shorter ghosting. Why not just remove DLSS at that point? It's designed for low end hardware you shitskin

>>718466192
>>718467759
Kys shills.

>>718468068
>tells truth
>is a shill
>anon lies, and lying is one of the key components of shilling
>anon isn't a shill
Curious.

>>718467986
which old tech looked good?

>>718468127
All of it, temporal techniques are the death of graphical innovation

>>718468189
I can't think of a single old game which compares to modern games. I think you just prefer old games which run on your shit junkbox to modern games which don't

>>718468235
You can't tell me any modern game looks better than Jumping Flash on the PSOne (what we called it in 1994).

>>718468127
Games should've continued to strive for crisp, sharp graphics, instead of trying to render realistic hair and causing everything to look like it's smeared in vaseline

>>718468380
2 uses UE5 and is therefore superior.

>>718468380
>games should strive for sharp graphics
>1920x1080 screenshot
lol. my games are sharp. your pc is just shit

>>718468468
The human eye cannot see more than 1080p.
Even a 5090 cannot handle more than 1080p without resorting to DLSS and framegen

>>718468550
>has 1080p monitor and dogshit pc
>explains how a gpu he's never ever seen in real life performs
lol

>>718468653
When you play at 4K 120fps with DLSS and framegen turned on, you're actually playing at 1080p 30fps. because 75% of the resolution and 75% of the frames are faked.

>>718464943 (OP)
>27 fps 4k
>71 fps 1080p
>71 fps 1080p
>61 fps 1080p

>>718467050
>>718467698
I play at 2k you buffoons, that's how DLSS (not framegen) works. It lowers the resolution and the "upscales it" by inserting generated pixels inbetween the image. Really love the trail side-effects of moving objects

>>718465180
>DLSS and framegen are good and necessary
>moving the optimization costs to the consumer is good and necessary

>>718465673
>making even people with top rigs feel like poorfags
nice, they deserve it

>>718468785
>when you play...
I'm not the poorfag. I don't have to use DLSS or framegen.
Also DLSS Quality is upscaled from 1440p and looks as good as native 4k.

>>718468468
Not him but many older games look sharper on 1080p screen than UE5 garbage does with 1440p.
Unless you are using 4K modern AAA have awful image quality.

>>718469024
>less poly = sharper
you are certainly quite stupid

>>718464943 (OP)
>start with shit framerate and bad input delay
>reduce framerate further and add even MORE input delay

>>718468869
So your target resolution is my source resolution. I hope life gets better for you. Is there a way I can donate canned food to you?

>>718469115
I didn't die once in Robocop with Framegen and DLSS on.

>>718469115
you don't need input for (non-)interactive movies

>>718469193
I played Wuchang with 4x FG to see if it was playable and it was fine.

>>718468802
that's a bit disenginuous anon
you forget about the benefit of playing 4k(1080p) with ghosting and blur all over your screen
are you too poor to not afford the latest rtx8090ti ultimate edition to play games that look shittier than some games released 10years ago

>>718467698
keep malding, incel

>>718469056
Yes faggot, sharper because textures aren't smeared.
There is no forced motion blur caused by poorly done TAA.
Games also had higher contrast which is pleasant to the eye.

>>718469154
>he needs DLSS enabled at all time to experience 60fps at 4k

>>718469354
post a screenshot from your PC with this texture smearing you're on about

>>718464943 (OP)
Incredible tech, thank you Nvidia, now I have 80fps

>You need to lower the resolution, upscale it with a shitty ai and then drop the frames to generate fake ones
>All because devs ain't got no clue how to optimize games for current hardware
This is no more than a shitty patch for dev incompetence

>>718469561
to be honest, that was on a shitty intel arc, not using DLSS.

>>718469561
>>718469717
it literally says in the fucking video that it is using the lossless scaling framegen at 10x
are you both FUCKING RETARDED???
CAN YOU NOT READ THE TEXT??

>>718469717
The principle is no different, these are not real frames and any attempt to imply otherwise is deliberate misinformation, lies and treason

>>718469782
Now show it in motion

>>718469791
it also says it's using "ARC B580", nigger.

>>718469850
>you should just post moving 4k images

>>718468974
> DLSS Quality is upscaled from 1440p and looks as good as native 4k
So you're blind AND a retard

>>718469847
>You guys are fucked

>>718469927
yeah it GPU cannot run the game at 4K ultra!!
what does that have to do with the technology, the GPU costs like 10 dollars

>>718469957
and you're seething because you can't run modern games

>>718469847
how can we nuke india and israel?
>inb4 why also Israel
while we're at it...

>>718469941
Yes?

>>718469530
Are you pretending to be clueless?
It's not like we can even turn off TAA anymore.

>>718469990
>what does that have to do with the technology
nvidia DLSS is closed source, you need an nvidia GPU to try their DLSS.

>>718470034
>highly compressed 4k videos to a 4mb webm doesn't have artifacts
you must be king of the /v/ retards

>>718470059
I hate TAA so much it's unreal. In some games, I actually accept the shimmering effect when you force it off over using that smeary-ass ghosting anti-aliasing.

>>718470073
FSR Frame Gen is right there

>>718470059
>1920x1080
lol every fucking time
poors crying about how shit things look on their bargain bin computers

>>718469782
this looks fucking ugly
nice generic asset store foliage and anti-soul gas

>>718470092
you can upload it to catbox.moe and post the link if you prefer :)

>>718470120
it's not any better, both are shit.

>>718470146
Are you claiming it looks better at higher res? Post proofs then.

>>718464943 (OP)
It wouldn't be a problem to fix if UE5 didn't exist in the first place

>>718470230
comparing lossless scaling framegen to dlss or fsr is the pure lying btw

>>718469782
It honestly looks like a PS3 game ported to PS4. That's the issue with these modern games like wilds and more they look like last gen games but are sold as current gen games with current gen prices.

>>718470270
sure it does

>>718470160
yeah no thanks

>It honestly looks like a PS3 game ported to PS4.
No it doesn't.

>>718470267
i was implying to compare same spec game both at 1080 and 2160p nigger. I love how you try to deflects the points.

>>718470353
damn u retarded as hell

>>718470230
>Are you claiming it looks better at higher res? Post proofs then.
why? you can't see it. You're running a phone screen resolution monitor

>>718470118
>>718470059
i thought TAA meming was funny, and then i downloaded the space hulk game or whatever and turned it on
never again

>>718464943 (OP)
I turned off DLSS in FF7 Rebirth because of lame transparent trees in the background and I did not notice a difference in performance.

>>718470484
Remake ran great at max settings 120fps 1440p on my PC, but Rebirth runs like ass no matter what settings I put it too. My PC's not even that shitty, I've got a 3090.

>>718470396
>>718470404
yeah keep deflecting, I'm sure you shills will gain consensus like that :)

>>718470546
Are you using this?

https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy7rebirth/mods/3

>>718470546
You cannot fix the traversal stutter no matter what you do. It plagues all UE4/5 open world games on PC.
Get a PS5.

>>718469782
>ooks like a 2018 game

>only 10% of the game is actually real, the rest is just imagination
bros...

I got a 5090 last week and played around with frame gen. I dont like the way it looks

>>718470638
Works on my machine

>>718470565
says the tranny who can't even run the thing he spends his life crying about

>>718470546
Remake is small closed in spaces. Rebirth is open world.

>>718464943 (OP)
Frame gen can be tolerable in some games at 2x. Everything else? Nope.

How much DLSS Frame Hallucination do I need to turn an AI grifter's scam gif into a videogame?

>>718470146
Nigger read the whole chain.
I'm saying 1080p is unusable mostly because of TAA and how tiny the details are and overuse of dithering so everything just shimmers if you try to turn it off.
But you are forced to use upscaling in UE5 garbage so it doesn't matter it's still 1080p under the hood.

>>718470720
Show it in motion in an open area. Traversal stutter cannot be fixed.

>>718470745
not a tranny, and I can run everything without DLSS at 2k.
you're the one that can't even run the games and is defending DLSS lmao

>>718470909
busy playing TF2 but you can have this

>>718464943 (OP)
>took the vidya card company themselves to mske some disabled game engine works

>>718471071
Traversal stutter occurs when new areas are loaded in. It won't happen during that section. It happens when you're out in the large open world areas and moving around. It cannot be fixed. It's inherent to Unreal Engine 4 and 5.

>>718471165
Yeah it happens in the Detroit part of Robocop no matter what setting you have on or turn down

>>718464943 (OP)
I just want frames that look like real frames

>>718470941
>b-b-but you're the one that can't even run the games..
You can't run shit

>>718471165
When you put it like that I can recall a couple times, because the areas that get loaded are huge it hasn't really been a common occurence

>>718471242
curious how everyone that defends DLSS has a top of the line GPU like the 5090.
Something doesn't add up.
If it's really that powerful, why you still need DLSS to begin with?

If they cant make games that don't require generated frames and pixels to run, and they can't make cards that can't run those games at native.

maybe they should just stop making new games and GPUs?

>>718471548
not when there are retards like >>718471242 who blindly buy everything they shit out.

>>718471449
It's free optimization lil bro. Not everyone's a peasant targeting sub-60 FPS.

>>718465854
>path tracing
>optimizing
How dumb are you?

>>718471936
>"free"
you pay your electricity
>"optimization"
made-up frames and pixels is optimizations nowadays. noted.
>targeting sub-60 FPS.
so you need it to target 144fps. Lol.

>>718471936
>lil bro
wait, are you sure he's younger than you?

Who is defending this shit? What do they look like?

>>718472293
they spent +3k$ on an overpriced card of course they need to defend it. If not, they would have to acknowledge they wasted money.

>>718472293
>Who is defending this shit?
People that know the difference between real time path tracing and ray tracing.

>>718471071
looks good brah, is it on a 5090?

>>718472449
6090 :^)

>>718472435
I can but even then it's simply not good enough

>>718471071
I was told rebirth was dumb but this is next level

>>718464943 (OP)
Adding latency to my game does not equal playable. Also, all this shit like DLSS, Frame Gen, etc. is used as a crutch for developers.

>>718471449
>If it's really that powerful, why you still need DLSS to begin with?
I don't need it. I have options to use it or not use it. When I do turn it on it doesn't make the game look worse.
it's only the seething poors, who can't run modern games, who are forced to upscale from 360p to 1080p who are here crying about it.

>>718464943 (OP)
>Say thank you Nvidia.
thank you for the blurry halos
thank you for the fuzzy transparency
thank you for going for guessed frames rather than just rendering real frames

>>718472449
I HATE TAA
I HATE TAA

>>718471606
just look at the seething lol
>you just blindly buy it , you don't even know what it is , you don't need it , boo hoo

>>718473047
This is literally in the original game.

>>718469208
You will need it in games like Marvel Rivals.

>hey guys we made a game engine that is simply not performant at all
>so we're relying on a GPU manufacturer to boost the performance using specific technology
>but that technology works without artifacts only if you already have powerful hardware

so what's the fucking point then?

>>718473618
BUY BUY BUY

>>718473442
But if you do not use the Nvidia suite, including reflex, then your latency will be around 6o to 7o. Nvidia helps you out by not only improving the visuals but by halving the PC latency to make this FPS game very responsive to your inputs, lil bro.

What retarded shit are they planning to put into DLSS 5 next? Fake inputs for their fake frames?

>>718473448
>When I do turn it on it doesn't make the game look worse.
It implies generated pixels or frame are equals as rendered frame and pixels, and that's a lie.
>>718473549
>he lets corporations get away with unfinishing their games by allowing them to move the cost of optimization to himself
>he is even happy and bragging about being used like this

you couldn't make me seethe even if you tried your most, you pathetic loser.

>>718474248
>It implies generated pixels or frame are equals as rendered frame and pixels, and that's a lie.
it implies that when you have good hardware you don't see the artifacts that you third worlders see. Sucks to be you.
>you couldn't make me seethe even if you tried your most, you pathetic loser.
You're seething like fuck you sad poorfag, why else would you care what others buy if it wasn't for your insane jealousy.

>>718474082
adaptive upscaling maybe? where it adjusts your render resolution automatically in heavier scenes. i don't see this being enabled in many games on PC thoughbeit, seen 2 ue4 games that shipped with dyn res, so idk if something like this would pop off.
idk what else desu. seems like their focus is on path tracing so they'll bundle the optimizations into dlss5 to make pt shit run better when dlss is enabled but only on 50xx and 60xx series.

>>718470318
It really does

>>718474414
I have good hardware, and I still see artifacts, you retard. Maybe if you didn't have fulaty eyes you cold see it too.
>You're seething like fuck
Keep saying it dude, maybe if you believe it enough it'll be real.
>why else would you care what others buy
I don't, I'm merely laughing at your poor life choices.

>>718474082
You won't even see rasterized frames, only fake frames.
Similar to how lossless scaling adaptive fake frames work.
Also integration of asynchronous reprojection into more games.