Thread 718525285

ITT you post the best roguelikes/lites you ever played

>>718525285 (OP)
Dicey Dungeons

>>718525285 (OP)
I am fond of gunfire reborn

I've never finished a roguelike

Is this any good?

>>718525285 (OP)
I don't think anything can dethrone The Binding of Isaac, but I've fallen in love with Void Rains Upon Her Heart recently. Scratches that completionist itch with shitton of variety.

>>718525285 (OP)
Roguelites aren't roguelikes and are purely RNG slop
I appreciate scams and do support scammers but please, if you think Roguelites are even a fucking genre beyond RNG Progression games, you are the reason gaming is dead

>>718526928
try DC:SS. It's basically not that hard to win after midgame if you go MiBe

1. FTL
2. Tainted Grail: Conquest
3. Hades
4. Nowhere Prophet
5. Inscryption

>>718526943
It's okay but I can't say I found enough to want to finish it

>>718526928
Me neither

>>718525285 (OP)
1. Returnal
2. Hades
3. Trinity Fusion
4. Dead Cells

Not the most interesting answer, but I've yet to see another roguelike with such a great interaction between powers, weapons, items and the world.
If you find a bomb it can damage enemies or yourself, or blow a hole in a wall revealing a secret room, or blow a stone up possibly making it cover a hole, or blow up a door, or blow up a machine, or blow up background stuff, or use the explosion to push items around.
You can have different types of bombs, you can end up firing bombs yourself, you can find bombs, you can buy bombs...
So many things in the game can interact with other stuff. The way your powers can interact to create different ways of attacking is impressive enough, but the world you move around in is also affected and can affect you.
The game is way too long and luckbased if you're going for the final endings/achievements. But you can get many, many hours out of it before it gets too dull.

>>718525285 (OP)
>Balatro
>Risk of Rain 2
>Hades
>Noita
>PMD
Tried really hard to enjoy Dead Cells but it felt... clunky idk. And the more BCs I unlocked, the less I wanted to play the game.
Slay the Spire was also one I wanted to like but for I just didn't have much fun unless I went for specific builds with The Silent.

>Vagante
Chill solo, also a ton of fun with friends
>Path of Achra
Best auto-battler of all time. Interesting Ancient Middle Eastern mythology
>Streets of Rogue
Plain fun. I'm in the mood to play this any day of the week.
>Fights in Tight Spaces
Very cool card battler where you draw fighting moves for your spy

I have maintained for a while now that Metal Slug Tactics is a really underrated game and better than Into the Breach (which they've stolen a lot of ideas from)

bump

>>718530714
While I really like MST I think ItB is a superior game. It feels like it does more with less.
I would buy a new expansion with new teams for ItB again in a heartbeat.

>>718525285 (OP)
They're all terrible.

>>718525285 (OP)
Noita > All but tbf it's autism sim

pokemon emerald rogue

>>718528796
Dead Cells is one of those games that I feel tries a bit too hard to be hardcore, but when a build comes together and it clicks you're melting mobs so fast that the difficulty goes away. I suppose that's all the Roguelikes but Dead Cells particularly has some monstrously shit weapons

>>718526943
It's good but it's pretty easy.
Aside from hubris, nothing will really kill you.
The biggest draw is base building and cultist handling, everything else while decent isn't that amazing.
The music is pretty damn fucking good though.

>>718527267
>Inscryption
>roguelike/lite
Unless you're talking about the mod, that's blatantly false.

Roguelites peaked with this game. Nothing even comes close to the way it oozes style and yet backs it up with satisfying, punchy gameplay.

Backpack battles
Slay the spire
Dwarf Fortress

>>718533408
I think it's a bit too slow to get going. These actiony roguelites need to be interesting right out of the gate, you're going to be playing through the start many times.
You can easily play for 1½ levels before anything interesting happens in this game. It ends up getting a bit tedious.

FTL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWlHjpKmvh8

>>718525285 (OP)
Hades is actually a dogshit roguelike. As soon as you run out of progression it becomes incredibly boring because there's barely any variety to the builds.

>>718533760
Solved by killing the Lich and unlocking the Gunslinger. His passive makes the first two main floors breeze by, even moreso if you're doing all secret floors and getting more chests.

>>718527585
Returnal is a legit good rougeish shooter, far better than Remnant. It's only got the most basic elements of the genre and that's just great because the permadeath feature would get super tedious fast otherwise. It forces the player to commit to a build based on available weapons and perks after spawning instead of rolling one, which is genuinely a great gameplay feature that I hope finds its way into other games.

>>718525285 (OP)
I don't know if it's the best, but I really like it.

>>718529383
I loved Vagante, sad to see the dev team break up right after

>>718527142
Filtered

>>718525285 (OP)
I like cataclysm BN, though tbf other than that ive only played like 30 min of stone soup. Cdda's graphics ruined most roguelikes for me

>>718534824
Assuming they got good coding jobs, it makes sense. Too many game devs dedicating their life to a job with a very low success2yy0y rate

>>718527585
>1. Returnal
Actually zero run variety

I'm surprised I've never seen this game discussed on /v/, all things considered

>>718525285 (OP)
>Literally all 3 are shit
Not even being a contrarian, DC is repetetive and far too demanding of your items to be a roguelite, RL2 feels like an RL1 mod made by autistic leftists, and Hades is pozzed so I know it's shit.

>>718537825
It's a bit too plain in the gameplay department, and the titties don't do a whole lot for it because of all the dyke shit and essentially all characters except for Jules and the witch (who is a l*sbian) being ugly Newgrounds instead of hot Newgrounds.

>>718525285 (OP)
>Teleglitch
>Void Bastards
>Noita
>Into The Breach

>>718526068
I too, enjoy Chinese Borderlands 2.5. Same general gimmick, but does it well enough and for whatever reason has done well enough to keep introducing more characters and guns. Ice goat with the smart gun is insane.

>>718538995
Void Bastards was a mediocre and poorly balanced game, but it really struck me how it's possibly among the best games on the market when it comes to understanding counterplay.
Most games do counterplay in a retarded "rock paper scissorts" way, but VB manages to pull off its counters in a manner that feels organic and makes you feel at leat a little satisfied that you put two pieces together.
>Office guy who shoots you once and runs away and hides
Shoot him with the poison dart and go about your day as he slowly dies. A weapon that deals damage without needing line of sight organically countering an enemy that spends majority of its time not having line of sight to you
>Office Gal that puts a shield screen between you two
Lob a bushwhacker grenade behind her. Weapon with a non-linear projectile arc counters an enemy that makes it very hard to hit it with guns that shoot their projectiles directly in front of them.
>Enemy that's just a swarm of heads that you need to shoot individually
Use your shitty nailgun. A weapon with bad damage but plentiful ammo takes care of an enemy that needs to be killed with a certain number of attacks rather than damage.
>etc etc
Loved that shit. This is how all games should do synergies and counters - behavioral interaction, not gay-ass numbers and if>then statements.

>>718537825
why does it have the chatgpt noise texture

I've never played a roguelike. I don't like that you have to restart the whole game if you die once.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/645720/Fabular_Once_Upon_a_Spacetime/
This is a roguelite I'm very fond of. I'm not sure how to describe its genre because it's not every day you see a game about a spacefaring kingdom with medieval european aesthetics having knight spaceships that fight through space jousting.

>>718540946
I hate all but one classical roguelikes because they have playthroughs going on for hours on end with lots of busywork and grinding and then in a couple seconds you're dead and all that boring progression you did in hopes of eventually being able to have fun was for nothing.
The one exception is a literal who roguelike called Rogue's Tale, a roguelike where, despite it being one of the most cruel and difficult RLs on the market, it also feels very smooth and addicting to play because of how intuitive and quick to do everything is. A death feels more like a speedbump than a real setback.

>>718525285 (OP)
>You can choose between the thing that helps you right now or… you could pick the metaprogression
God I hate Lites

>>718533260
That's one of the reasons too. Often I don't like playing only the most overpowered stuff and instead prefer more gimmicky builds. But I didn't find much of that in DC. So many weapons are just trash like you said and whenever I got them I just thought
>fuck the run is ruined
Unlike say in Balatro, where even some bad Jokers were cheap or could at least help me out at the start of a run.

>>718525285 (OP)
I fucking wonder why this one isn't more popular, it is by far the best roguelike I have played.

>>718525412
Finish Conderned Joe you fuck

>>718525285 (OP)
FTL: Faster Than Light and Rogue Legacy 2

So, how about that brand new not-Hades not-VS game?

I've recently got into Barony. I think it's pretty fun.

>>718543842
I wish that jif was anywhere near true because that would be fun instead of fighting on borrowed time scrambling to get non-missile weapons before you run out and end up stranded with no way of progressing.

>>718534562
I enjoyed this game until I got to the Demon Lord. I don’t even know what to do to her. None of my weapons are strong enough and the only thing I can seem to do is try enchanting more.

redline crooks scratches the nuclear throne itch but in a car. going fast is fun

>>718545416
What difficulty?
On the easy the Demon Lord just shows up at a set distance(and is easy enough that you should easily beat them)
On normal they just show up from time to time, you are supposed to evade them until they leave, and keep it up until you feel strong enough to defeat them the next time they show up
The demon lord is basically the tutorial boss, there are a bunch of secrets and extra content in there, like ignoring the demon lord and just running until the end of the world

lost flame

Dead Cells is so much better than Hades

>>718527142
you sound like you absolutely suck at video games lmao

>>718544760
Barony is fun. The second area is really hard with arrows.

>>718545416
If you're not on easy mode, just run away until they despawn.

If you're not playing with maniac mode on, stack AGI and you can outrun everything.

>>718537825
the dev kept making threads when it was released
the threads only got discussion on the witch character
I thought the game itself was boring and also annoying shooting in that perspective

the GOAT

>>718539203
It's already better than borderlands because you don't have to mute all the voices to even try to enjoy it

The only game I keep coming back to despite beating it a long time ago

>>718525285 (OP)
I don't usually play roguelikes but I really liked Undermine, until the last boss
Last boss really sucks

>>718534149
>you need to beat the game and unlock a cheat character and then play that character exclusively for the game to be fun
Why do roguelites keep doing this shit?

>>718525285 (OP)
>64 replies
>just one mention of Nuclear Throne
What a shame. NT is for me the perfect videogame
>can be completed in 10-15 minutes
>every character encourages different playstyles
>you can ng+ every run by looping
>sound design is punchy and powerful
>community patch lets you play at 16:9 and 120fps
This game got me through college, is the perfect "15 minute break" game

are there any lewd roguelites? figure you guys would know

>>718543880
day one, but still no release date ._.

>>718550451
I kind of enjoyed that one too. I don't remember much about the final boss though.
Did the sequel come out yet?

>>718533260
>>718527585
I wanted to like Dead Cells, but the game feels way too emphasized on progression/unlocks. Like sure you can have those in a rougelike, but it shouldnt be the majority of the game. Also it being a roguelike contrasts too much with it being a metroidvania, like obviously randomly designed level layouts arent going to be satisfying

>>718550801
Go to the hub and search for PMVs

>>718543880
AH fuck, what was this game called? I remember liking the aesthetics of it when I first saw it but I forgot to mark down what it was.

>>718551263
lol early access
>But there are all these things to balance
Old games had the most broken cheese strats you could get and that was the fun part

>>718551387
That's a shame.
I do like the first game added a side mode that let you cut the metaprogression shit out of a run if you felt like it.

>>718551328
Hell Maiden. Whether it's slop or not remains to be seen.

>>718551519
Thanks, I'll have to slap it on my wishlist to keep an eye on it.

I'm moderately excited for megabonk coming out in a few weeks

Any games that are "Yu-Gi-Oh but roguelite"?
>B-BUT SLAY THE SPIRE
Good game, but I want the Yu-Gi-Oh asthetics.

>>718551864
You're gonna have to be a bit more specific on what you want with that, and I don't think there are any games illustrated by Kazuki Takahashi if you want to be THAT stylistically accurate.

>>718552091
Basically the gameplay of the TCG, but roguelite.

>>718551263
final boss is in a room you access directly from the main hub instead of being at the end of the dungeon which kinda defeats the whole purpose of the game imo

Gungeon and Hades are the ones that gripped me the most. I know people were hard on the former but something about it really clicked with me. I liked the cute enemies and all the stupid guns were pretty fun

>>718526943
The idea of a cult is more entertaining than the game itself

>>718552240
I don't think a TCG would mix well with a roguewhatever format without heavy modification. Since the entire draw of TCGs is the collecting and trading for forming your deck strategies, rather than a deckbuilder where you are modifying a starter deck as you go.
If you mean you want a dueling-style game, that's a bit more realistic. And truth be told I'm looking for ones like that too, way too many card games copy spire's formula too closely. Chrono Ark is good but it's not dueling-style. if I happen to find one you can expect me to shill it like mad in card game threads.
I can recommend that you try Millennium Blades if you want to stray outside of videogames and instead play on a table. Its goal was to emulate the jank of playing a new TCG and it's got imbalances on purpose, but since it's a tabletop game you have variable setup like what people expect from roguelikes.

>>718550801
There's a STS clone with tits or something. I distinctly remember seeing it on steam and thinking "Huh, this looks neat" before I realized it was a porn game.

Tamer Vale.

>>718552748
That's the term I was looking for. Dueling-style.

>>718550284
>Non-binary cleric
Go away.

>>718550451
I boughtered it because all the different skin and hair colors made me think it was gonna be a game with character creation, but it turned out it was one of those "procedurally generated player character" ones.
I fucking hate this "feature" so much you have no idea. Just let me make a guy I want.

>>718550801
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3159120/Hidden_Realm_of_the_Enchantress/
This, I suppose. Just be advised, there's about an hour and a half worth of content and the artstyle is... well, see for yourself. It's a bit eccentric. I like it, personally.

>>718525285 (OP)
Nuclear Throne
Balatro
Risk of Rain 2
Tales of Maj' Eyal
Slay The Spire
Streets of Rogue
Heat Signature
Monolith

>>718553478
what?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2436940/Sephiria/
The soundtrack of this thing is bizarrely beautiful given how it looks. This is the kinda game you expect to be all beep boop bing bing wahoo instead of those lovely tunes.

>>718553847
ARE YOU DEAF, RETARD? THE GAME HAS A TRANNY CHARACTER IN IT. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU, OR DO YOU NEED A PICTURE BOOK TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?

>>718553921
>tranny character
>*looks inside game*
>dont find tranny
again... what?

>>718553763
this worth actually playing? I played maybe 1-2 hours but didn't really give it an honest shot past like the first shitty area

>>718553054
There's also Last Evil. Kind of a shame that it's only got 1 playable class, unless you poke around with modding since it's got workshop support
Take Me to the Dungeon is also pretty good. It's a hand-management game. I enjoyed it so much I forgot there was pornography a few times.

>>718553763
Not him but
>female protagonist

>>718543880
wait its out??

>>718553973
Has he still not added the cleric, or are you a genuine double digit IQ?

garden of witches was pretty good

>>718554102
he has
why is the cleric a tranny? Where is this said anywhere in game? Dude's character art looks like prince charming from shrek 2

I'm a narcissist. Recommend me games with character creation, or at least generic faceless classes.

>>718553994
I never actually played it, I just saw it on Steam and thought it looked neat. I heard it wasn't as good as STS, but that's kind of a fucking high bar to reach for, so eh.

>>718554265
Does it say "they" anywhere in the class description? If not, then you only have the dev's personal word to go off of. After the update devlog where he shared the niggerist (black woman, another fail) and the cleric he was asked somewhere on reddit if him (the dev) refering to the cleric as "them" meant that it (the cleric) was non-binary, which he proudly confirmed and told all the biggoterinos to shut up and leave.

>>718554273
Death Road to Canada
Barony

>>718554437
Played them both. Played most of the ones that get regular mentions. Anything more... "off the beaten path", so to speak?

>>718554419
oh, I dont really care then

>>718554726
Please accept my condolences for your terminal stage of being a gay nigger while I accept your concession.

>>718550801
Heroine Tower Long Name Game is a pretty good game but the art and proportions are bad

>>718528608
It's the best action roguelike imo. Also like Monolith/Star of Providence

>>718550184
I'm creating an iso topdown shooter. Good to know it'll probably annoy some people. Mine's 3d so at least the camera could in theory be adjusted.

>>718555640
>action roguelike
3rd person first person shooter.
Turn-based real time strategy.

And they said Hollow Knight had too many clones

>>718555783
Yes, yes, we all know.

>>718555783
can you not try to start this dumb semantic bullshit? Berlin lost.

Tiny Rogues.

>>718555845
What are those games? I've never played Hades but I want to see what any of them look like in motion.

I spent years obsessed with Angband variants. I couldn't even beat them, I just loved the game play and wackiness.

>>718554041
>so low T he can't control even an imaginary woman
grim

>>718555640
just don't put it at the weird angle that they did
it was such a weirdly specific degree where depth started to become an issue

>>718555859
>we
You had multiple people write that post for you?

>>718555872
True, Berlin interpretation is retarded because it tries to define roguelike as a spectrum.

>>718556509
Savara, Lost in Random, Sworn, Wizard of Legend 2. >>718543880 also copies the whole Gods system.

i would highly recommend this bullshit

Really fun game, took me a while to get used to the mechanics
Also can someone recommend something like rogue heroes ruins of tasks but more focused on the loot gameplay like diablo? Or alternatively something like diablo but only with the dungeon exploration, preferably on the switch

once sol cesto fully comes out it'll probably be pretty good

>>718556537
Pseudoelliposchenband was a great experience, 'bandbro. I can't deal with more primitive 'bands though.

>>718557536
*Pseudoelliposchengband

>>718555872
It kinda won, actually. It's thanks to the retards who came up with Berlin interpretation (that doesn't define anything at all) that everyone calls any genre with permadeath slapped onto it a "roguelike". News flash: permadeath doesn't matter for a roguelike at all.

Any real TRUE berlin interpretation roguelikes I can play on a controller? Bedridden right now.
I know it's a hard ask, but since I've seen CDDA on the phone and Jupiter Hell works on the steam deck, I'm sure that exists, right?

Other than Balatro, Slay the Spire (does Into the Breach count?), roguelites, despite being more mechanically "diverse", feel kinda samey to me and I grow bored of those. Are there fun ones with the controller?
No I won't play Hades.

>>718525285 (OP)
Original Binding of Isaac
Deadcells
Path of Achra

>>718558506
I played Shiren on the trampoline with a wireless controller and lost weight. Same can be done when bedridden.

>>718556813
I couldnt get into it.

>>718556813
Genuinely great. Only beat the regular ending. Secret one is too hard for me. Didn't love the sequel but not sure why.

im playing this and it made me realize why i stopped playing roguelikes

>>718525285 (OP)
I wouldn't say best but lately I played Deadzone Rogue and it's really fun

>>718556625
>>so low T he can't control even an imaginary woman
>grim

>>718558506
https://store.steampowered.com/app/265990/Rogues_Tale/
Apparently this one has controller support, though I can't vouch for it. What I can vouch for, however, is the fact that it's a very intuitive game with comfortable minimalistic controls that doesn't sacrifice complexity for their sake.
Ironically, on top of being the most user-friendly RL I've ever touched or seen, it's also unimaginably cruel and difficult.

any good turn based rogue like? no card game

https://thejaspel.itch.io/backpack-hero
demo

Why Balatro doesnt click? Gameplay is ok but it doenst make me go back to it

I think Undermine is pretty solid

Wizard of Legend
Astral Ascent

>>718561910
Star Renegades

>>718525285 (OP)
Streets of Rogue
Spelunky
Cryptark
Risk of Rain
Invisible Inc

Honorable mention: Prey Mooncrash

>>718561910
Invisible Inc
Mainframe defender
Jupiter he

How do you deal with roguelikes? I mean, they are time consuming and i enjoy them but while i play a roguelike of 200 hours i dont play a normal game and the backlog increases...

>>718525285 (OP)
ror2

>>718565992
This, I would love some short roguelikes such as Incription

>>718526943
It ends way too soon, all concepts seem half baked

I really like picrel.

Roboquest
Deadlink
Gunfire
I like FPS

Blazblue Entropy Effect
I really like using those characters in a new way

>>718552338
Ah right that. I didn't hate the idea honestly, but yeah it made the fight a little...trivial I guess? Mainly since it was balanced around you not having any items(which they start dropping on you midfight anyways) and acted more as a stat check than anything else.

>>718553708
Heat Signature is one game I feel like doesn't get the attention it deserves. It's a very fun space heist-ish game.

>>718526943
The most fun is playing it like The Sims but the game kind of forces you to dungeon crawl, it's also extremely short,I couldn't believe how fast I reached The One Who Waits

>>718525285 (OP)
1) slice & dice
2) wander hero
3) knock on the coffin lid
4) shambles: sons of apocalypse
5) 9 kings

>>718571973
oh and "Heads will roll" too

>>718568296
I should give it another try, my old pc was so shit this game ran below 20 fps

>>718572758
Always feels weird how those games with ~PS1 level visuals can still be pretty demanding on the hardware.

we need to start calling games roguemediums. most games mentioned itt do not fall under the original definitions of roguelike or roguelite.

>>718573439
What games are you talking about? Sure a lot of them do not fall under roguelike original definition, but roguelite is basically "anything but with permadeath" so anything should fall under roguelite definition.

>>718525285 (OP)
Ignore all the Gatcha elements and you are left with a pretty solid roguelite monster rancher-esq game. What old roguelites were missing was a way to pit your past runs against other players online and the ability to attract autists with thousands of spreadsheets under the hood.

>>718525285 (OP)
Easy, it's Slice & Dice and it isn't even close.

>>718573642
no, by its original definition, roguelite refers to run based games with very heavy emphasis on meta progression where in between each run, you get stronger, with the game being balanced in a way that even an experienced player will have an extremely difficult time winning their first run on a fresh save. the over all goal is to slowly become stronger until you can finally win a run and beat the game rather than each run being a more self-contained thing that you win or lose. the term roguelite was created by the rogue legacy devs to refer to that game and differentiate it from roguemediums, under the idea that those games were roguelikes.

>>718554210
Just bought the game, and I'm getting trashed by chapter 3 in hard.

>>718556874
This games was awesome, but way too short. Any game with the same type of gameplay ?
Also I think you maybe should check Necrovale, it sort of made me think of Diablo in the loot aspect.


As for my favorite, definetely Skul:the hero slayer

Theres nothing similar to gungeon. I guess sythetik but I couldnt get into it.

>>718525285 (OP)
Nothing beats Cogmind, Dwarf Fortress (counts), CCDDA, or Caves of Qud.

>>718539203
fire fox number one

>>718565578
Wizard of legend was great, shame the sequel lost all the style.

>>718525412
My nigger.
I even thought about making a TTRPG to play with friends that used the same "slotting dices into actions" mechanic.

Zet Zillions good.

>>718577361
>deck builder
what a shame

>>718574076
>>718571973
I came here to mention S&D
Such a shame it got overshadowed by Balatro it's easily the better "deck"builder even if I still like Balatro too.

For all the Nuclear Throne chads I must mention Ultra Mod, it's really fucking good. It's basically what Repentance is to Isaac Rebirth imo

>>718525285 (OP)
Binding of Isaac is the only one worth playing. It rewards game knowledge over raw-reflexes, and it gets to be very satisfying when everything starts to "click" in your mind. The same floor can play out very differently (and have vastly different consequences) based on seemingly small choices the player makes.

>>718525285 (OP)
Card-en-ciel

>>718577361
>sold on that image alone
>unsold when the trailer had fucking cards

>>718580271
Based

I've been playing against the storm
it's like a city builder except you get to win a round before you die of old age

Which ones of these still have some permanent upgrades that carry over for every run, like Hades for example?

>>718582118
Great game. For me the early part of any city builder is always the most fun part. And the part where you get really deep into infrastructure / logistics / production chains autism is where I tune out.
And Against the Storm conveniently turns that early game into the main part. Absolute perfection.

>>718552240
If its YGO you want specifically, i dunno, but Isle of swaps is based on the pokemon tcg

>>718526943
By the standards of other roguelites it's a waste of money
You'll only like it if it's one of the first you ever play

Im going to post my hot take that action roguelites are all D tier at best
>hades
roguelite for people who have never played a roguelite. Extremely repetitive, lacking in run diversity, cancer grindy metaprogression, combat is half baked.
>risk of rain 2
the one I have the most hours in and its only gotten worse since beta. The game is an absolute fucking mess of half assed gameplay systems that dont play into each other.
>gungeon
its boring and slow, upgrades dont feel significant in anyway and the vast majority of guns all play the same.

>>718533408
>Roguelites peaked with this game
>posts the worst offender of new gen
I don't know how they did it, but Gungeon has to be commended for how vapid its gameplay ends up being by the time you complete most of the content
It has to be the only roguelike/lite that I've never replayed once after I beat it, which has to be the most damning thing I can say about it

>>718583341
Agreed on your takes however counterpoint regarding action roguelites, I believe Isaac, Synthetik, Throne, and Spelunky 1/2 prove they can be pretty dang good. They're all cut from the same cloth of having mechanical and strategic depth behind an easy to understand formula.
Synthetik probably has the highest learning curve behind its main gameplay but is probably the easiest to master once you know how to play.

>>718538995
>Teleglitch
It's surprisingly fun for a while
>>718550689
Nuclear Throne is my pretty much my benchmark for Roguelites

>>718554273
>Recommend me games with character creation
most oldschool Roguelikes have this

>>718560829
how did you get psyopped into playing this? You could tell from the trailer alone that the gameplay wasn't going to be good enough

>>718574076
I've put 600 hours into this game and it disappointed me because it was my first RLite and it's miles better than any of the more popular recommendations.

>>718584237
I could not get into synthetic for some reason. I absolutely loathed how weapon upgrades could only be applied to one gun so youre incentivized to horde them until you get some high level drop. I also wasnt a fan of the upgrades either, the lower tier common ones are just meh and the better ones cam with a drawback so severe I didnt think it was ever worth it.

It was also incredibly slow for a roguelite, like as slow as noita when it comes to early game progression.

>>718525285 (OP)
What is the one on the left? Dead Cells?

For me its:
1.Hades
2. Dead Cells(with the castlevania DLC)
3. Vampire Survivors(does it count?)
4. Heroes of Hammerwatch II
5. Entropy Effect (best combat I've experienced in a sidescroller

>>718583862
I honestly think Hades is by far the worst offender of the new gen
>insanely easy
>combat is shallow as fuck and the blood crystal throwable shit was clearly a last minute addition
>like 3 enemies total per area with the same boss in every level
>enemies only have 1 varient and can be mass stunlocked
>arenas to fight in are samey as fuck
>upgrades dont feel impactful and there are like 3 good boons you always want because they actually do shit
>cancerous meta progression
>need to beat the game 30 times just to marginally bump up the difficulty

>>718583341
entry level roguelites typically aren't worth playing in my experience, if you already have some of the more complete experiences under your belt then you're better off moving to titles that fit your comprehension of the genre
If you've already beaten Isaac or NT, then games like Hades, Gungeon and Cult of Lamb will have little to offer you.
You can either severely expand on your autism and upgrade to Roguelikes proper or you can sift the steam catalogue for smaller Roguelites that better fit your expectations and taste

Enjoyed finishing it with friends but couldn't get into it solo. Needing to unlock things before runs to progress isn't my cup of tea.
Besides one or two broken items it was balanced. The mines did suck however.

>>718584704
It has a high learning curve to it, but part of the learning process is figuring out that when you become accustomed to the gameplay systems enough you can start playing it much more like a run and gun game. You start it playing like a slow tac shooter but it eventually becomes more hit and run Throne-ish when everything comes together.

Hoarding your upgrade kits is normally not wise since you can pretty much make any weapon work by synergizing kits right. Only the grey Arena dlc weapons are utter dogshit. Some of the best guns are blue rarity ones as well.
I disagree on items though because you can upgrade them too and again some of the "low tier" ones are amazing like unstable current or any passive DPS ones. Drones and summons also take aggro off you but require more active pianoing of the keys which is the tradeoff.

>>718561910
Into the Breach is a good one. It looks ugly because it's from the FTL devs and it got this close to becoming complete shit because current Subset Games is full of incompetent troons, but they stopped just short of ruining the game so it's still fun. It's a turn-based strategy that feels actually strategic to play instead of just being an RPG.

>>718584993
The only reason I'd be tempted to agree is because of how popular (and influential) the game somehow ended becoming, but I still feel that Gungeon receives far too much praise for what it is
Most people who are into roguelites know that Hades isn't that great

>>718568296
The writing was awful, the finale didn't make any sense, and the ships barely had anything going on for them as far as coherent mechanical themes go. That gay purple one was probably the most solid one.
Didn't play the robbit update.

>>718585785
I really dislike ITB because its less strategy game and more puzzle game. Every turn is setup through an algorithm that calculates the position of every mech and then makes it so there is 1 perfect solution. Very rarely does there feel like there is any strategic depth because once you begin noticing how the algorithm does stuff your choices in mechs/upgrades stops mattering beyond novelty.

>>718575530
>THREE trans games
Nice picks, xister.

>>718525412
Dicey Dungeons is fantastic and has a decent bit of replay to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGnZj61iA4o

Great music too.

>>718525285 (OP)
30XX and it isn't close. Also, it is about as "Mega-Man" as we are going to get at this point (thanks, Capcom).

>>718586082
>Great music too
No kidding, I played the game just from hearing this on my spotify
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGL5m0qWzWA

>>718583341
>All examples are turbonormalfag garbage
Sephiria, Lost Castle 2, Fabular, all fun action roguelites. Gatekeeper is a better Risk of Rain 2 save for having fuck all content. Hell, Risk of Rain Returns is the best Risk of Rain, even if it still has the godawful itemization typical of all 3 games.

>>718585945
I liked that about it. ITB has puzzles that feel strategic. Most strategies, ironically, don't feel strategic.

>>718586345
that's a banger too, good pick anon

>>718550801
There's Nunholy, which is pretty similar to Hades in terms of gameplay but has sexy nuns

I should give this another spin

>>718586645
puzzles are the opposite of strategy though? Strategy games are supposed to have multiple ways to approach solving some problem. Puzzles inherently lack any kind of strategic depth because there is an objectively correct way to play every turn. You could be playing with the worst mechs and the worst upgrades and every turn would still generate a perfect solution, nullifying any gameplay choices up to that moment

>>718583341
What, you don't like the keyword Shock which is totally different from the keyword Burn which is totally different from the keyword Blind?

>>718587308
>though at the end
>punctuating a statement with a question mark
Too gay for me to even explain why you're wrong.

>>718587843
hey buddy you got the wrong website, reddit is 3 bookmarks down

>>718587924
You sound like a reddit expert

>>718588315
yeah I see you types a lot, gets way easier to id you

>>718587924
>buddy
A textbook redditspeaker is accusing me of being a redditor. Narcissism is a common trait amongst your kind.

>>718588394
You must have a lot of karma

>>718588778
its because Im quoting pic rel newnigger, hence the 3 bookmarks down

>>718526943
It dips into base building and roguelite content but doesn't do either particularly well. If it weren't for the artstyle and subject matter I doubt it'd be popular.

>>718588930
You consistently speak like a redditfaggot, "I was just quoting gay porn" isn't the kind of excuse that can bail you out here, troon.

My favorites
>Hades
>Dead cells
>Balatro
>Enter the Gungeon
>Slay the Spire

I dont get the Gungeon hate desu. it was a bit slow at first and i was gonna give up on it, but it got real fun after.

>>718589123
>triggered by punctuation
>triggered by the word buddy
>triggered over literally nothing
Are you on your period? You are quite the effete sissy, I bet a finger up your tight virgin butthole would calm you down

>>718555845
been playing lost in random. its cute and charming but definitely a mid hades clone. lacks a lot of synergies and different styles of gameplay. also final boss is a dick.

>>718525285 (OP)
This one is my favorite to this day. Even if could and should be longer.

>>718589859
kek

>>718588939
>>718526943
Really wish they would just give this actual online co-op.

Anyone try the rogue Prince of Persia by the Dead Cells guys?

>>718589859
>triggered by punctuation
Not what happened, dumb tranny.
>triggered
Another buzzword coopted by redditors after rightwingers no longer wanted it. The left truly cannot meme.
>Are you on your period? You are quite the effete sissy, I bet a finger up your tight virgin butthole would calm you down
Thanks for confirming you're a degenerate queer, but really, I already knew.

>>718525285 (OP)
>Little Noah
>Card En Ciel
>Enter The Gungeon

I played all of these but I barely remember any of them and I want to rip my brains out what the hell should I play now? Ughhhhh

>>718589123
>doesnt catch the gachi reference
>pulls the minor spelling mistake redditorism
>has the gall to call others redditors
Newfag trying too hard
Inb4 samefag accusations as a last cope

>>718537825
>Dead Estate
Very overrated. Not shit, just overrated.

Hades 1 and 2 are shit roguelites. Great action games, love them, but the variety isn't there. Isaac is still the king after all these years. As far as actual traditional roguelikes go I've been playing Infra Arcana, cool survival horror-ish game where you usually want to avoid combat, but I suck at it.

>better Risk of Rain 2
>isometric camera
>fuck all content

almost got excited but you're actually retarded

>Synthetic 1 and 2
>30XX
>Atomicrops (weird one)
>Barony
>Caveblazers
>Dandy Dungeon: Legend of Brave Yamada
>Flamebreak
>Delver
>Fury Unleashed
>Kingsway
>Skul
>Slice and Dice
>Wasted: A Post Apocalyptic pub crawler
>Towerclimb
>Gunfire Reborn
>Curious Expedition 1 and 2

>>718589670
gungeon becomes twice as fun when you unlock turbo mode

>>718591313
This guy fucks Synthetik 2 is fucking ass though sorry
Been meaning to play Atomicrops how good is it?

>>718590902
>>doesnt catch the gachi reference
Knowing funi gay porn references off the top of one's hand is not the oldfag win you think it is, AGPederast.
>pulls the minor spelling mistake redditorism
Never happened. You live in a fantasy land where your axewound is a vagina and your opponent said the things you made up instead of the things he actually said.
>has the gall to call others redditors
You're the one who started calling others redditors (another projection of yours), I just pointed out that you have far more in common with them than I do.
>Newfag trying too hard
You're younger than this website, grooming victim.
>Inb4 samefag accusations as a last cope
Pretty obvious samefaggotry since you're kvetching about the same things and use the same wording, but not relevant enough for me to focus.

>>718591475
>Been meaning to play Atomicrops how good is it?
It is fucking weird. Real weird and interesting. So it's a mixture of a top down shooter like Binding of Isaac and you have a certain amount of time to collect resources like seeds, and other items.. then you set up defense before the monsters try and hurt your crops. If you survive, you go back to town, upgrade and buy new things.. rinse and repeat.

>>718591297
Isometric camera is superior.
Warned you about the content.
You're a dumb cunt.

Is it good? Or do people just like it for GamePass?

>>718525285 (OP)
noita

>>718591681
You're saying that a game with a completely different camera and playstyle and lack of content is a "better" version of another game.

Do I really have to spell out how retarded you sound?

I don't even dislike isometric cameras but that's like saying Diablo is a better World of Warcraft.

>>718591174
Actually let me be more specific. Hades 2 is a great action game. Hades 1 is too much about dash spam and broken builds, still fun though.

>>718592174
Whatever.
Go fuck yourself.
You're really on the internet trying to argue with people on video games? Lol.

>>718591992
Noita is good if you just do the main path and when you're just beginning to look into all the hidden stuff, or with mods. But the endgame is one of the worst I've ever seen. You usually end up in this situation where your playthrough has been going on for a few hours, except to finish it will still take hours of a boring, no challenge involved fetch quest where you're too powerful to lose, yet still have to be careful to not be hit by an offscreen polymorph which is the only thing that can actually make you lose. If you do lose all progress is gone and it can be many more hours to get to that powerful state again.

Isaac
Nuclear Throne
Dead Estate
HyperRogue
Post Void
Spirits Abyss
Synthetik
Force Reboot
Boneraiser Minions, Picayune Dreams and Golden Light (if they count)

>>718592787
as long as you remember to leave yourself a way to die it's no problem

>>718554419
Western devs are so obnoxious sometimes. Imagine having less subtlety than japan

>>718592720
>calls other anons tastes turbonormalfag
>posts shit take
>shit take gets deconstructed
>"You're really on the internet trying to argue with people on video games?"

newfag, where do you think you are?

I've played so many roguelites and the only one that latched onto me was HoloCure of all things. Couldn't get into Hades or Noita or Cult or Isaac or any other big title. I may just have shit taste.

>>718525285 (OP)
Nethack (ascended gnome wizard)
The Binding of Isaac (one cheevo short of Platinum God, fucking Womb level mang)
currently playing Elea hardcore, always one effing missed right click away from crushing myself to death trying to pick up random statues or altars

These unfortunately are pretty much all I play nowadays with the rest of life meaning I only get an hour or so of playtime.

Some of my favorites:
Hades (I and II)
One Step From Eden (MMBN deckbuilder)
Tiny Rogues
Gunfire Reborn
Monster Train 2
Warm Snow (Chinese slopified Hades)

Some I wish I liked, but haven't put enough time into:
Against the Storm (City builder)
Chrono Ark (Deckbuilder with JRPG elements)

>>718584993
>>need to beat the game 30 times just to marginally bump up the difficulty
isnt the pact unlocked after a single won run?

>>718593869
I’m sorry to tell you this but HoloCure is a fraud, far more interested in making random minigames than the game part of the game.
Also it’s on ice so the dev can make a new thing

>>718594184
>fraud
Do you mean because it's a clone of Vampire Survivor? I guess yeah.
>Also it’s on ice
Elaborate, I thought the game was doing well but I haven't played in months

>>718551856
this looks neat

Im glad they changed the art style. that purple one was atrocious, the game is actually great for what it is, really recommend it you guys check it out.

I think it had the opportunity to surpass Dead Cells, but since it's an EA game and hasn't meet expectations, i suspect it's not gonna get more content. They just released 1.0, haven't tried that update, but everything else has been fun

>>718589670
my one gripe with gungeon aside from le boss armor is that I wish bullet types were more common. It's a personal thing but I'd love seeing those pop up and be what sends a build over the edge.

Can't wait for gungeon 2 though. Hope they learned their lessons from the first game.

>>718579465
>>718580498
It's a good card builder though, Yu-Gi-Oh Forbidden Memories card mashing togheter bullshit to make more cards, an interesting stun mechanic, and a lot of Gurren Laggan aesthetic.
It good, I know card fatigue is real but it's a real good title, trust me lads.

>>718525285 (OP)
>hades
they should call this one reddit like

>>718594421
The game after it is a turbo jobber so I don’t see a world where this guy gives you good combat in his future work. Likewise there is a 3rd vtuber game so HoloCure is delayed until that one is done.

>>718595053
this game was so fucking bad

>>718595050
I'll add it to my wishlist and check it out when seeing cards doesn't suck life out of me

literally nothing beats noita or isaac in the roguelite sphere. like it's insane that these games insist on you having to farm for permanent stat upgrades, literally the most lazy shit imaginable, just make your game fun to replay.

>>718592174
>You're saying that a game with a completely different camera and playstyle and lack of content is a "better" version of another game
Yes, because it's essentially the same horde killer game except the camera is higher which means you no longer have to scream at a wisp pot-shotting you from behind, and the itemization is better because you can have actual builds now instead of stockpiling 17 different flavors of "Shoot thing at enemy" and having the game play for you. It's mechanically superior save for not having as much shit in it.
>I don't even dislike isometric cameras but that's like saying Diablo is a better World of Warcraft.
Fundamentally different controls schemes, core gameplay, itemization, gameplay structure, etc etc. Gatekeeper is just isometric RoR2, it even has the same controls.
You're the blackest retard gorilla nigger I have ever seen.
>>718593737
He's not me by the way, though I won't blame you for assuming such, since he gave you no reason to think otherwise. I have plenty of reasons to call you a dumb cunt without that.

>>718550689
Seriously I can't fucking believe how little NT is itt

Infested Planet, the planetary campaign especially.

>>718590186
I haven't touched the 1.0 release that just came out, but during the middle of its early access period (after the artwork overhaul) it's been pretty solid, and it is just Dead Cells but with better parkour.

Was one of those early access releases where the game was getting notably better feeling with each update, other than the story. The story presentation is still garbage, but at least it's just a minor part of it.

>>718596471
>literally nothing beats noita or isaac in the roguelite sphere
This. I can't into other games in the genre after completing Isaac. Nothing compares.

>>718591516
I aint reading all that
Plz take your adhd meds zoomie

>>718527012
no way, there's someone else who played it.

Not exactly on topic of the best roguelikes, but I've been playing Metal Unit and I think this is one of those games that would have been much better without Roguelike elements. I like the game, but it feels like that stuff was added to pad the length. Would have been more fun with specific level/encounter designs.

no question

>>718577154
There's one called Dice Throne, normally it's a 1v1 thing but it has an expansion where 4 players can do a campaign, if you manage to build one closer to Dicey Dungeons then more power to you

>>718596471
Noita and Isaac are definitely the kings when it comes to actual replayability and meaningful player expression, no argument there. Every run feels handcrafted by chaos in Noita, and Isaac's sheer item depth is still unmatched. These newer roguelites with metaprogression baked in just come off as mobile-tier grind to get to "the good part," and by the time you're there you've basically invalidated the whole loop. If your game needs permanent upgrades to feel fun, it never was to begin with.

>ctrl+f "barony"
>4 results
Just posting here for the supreme based test

>>718599359
>I aint reading all that
>Plz take your adhd meds zoomie

>>718601915
It costs too much for what it is, and I despise devs that do the whole "50% discount on the game but no discounts on the DLCs where we put half of the game". It's scummy and devs like that are too gay for me to give their games the benefit of the doubt.

>>718601915
It's only fun in bro-op, and it's hard to find people to tag along with given the game's price.

>>718602245
The DLCs are pretty cheap in my region, plus Steam Creampie exists and GOG versions exists. Even though the game could've been bought 5 years ago for even cheaper I still think the game is worth the price desu, and this is me being a fucking cheapskate
>>718602431
I've been playing with my friend via Steam Remote Together

Hades is good 6.5/10 but don't buy it, woke devs
Fights in tight spaces but don't buy it, devs wasted the money on a shit sequel
Slice and Dice but the dev has some retarded balance philosophy
Shattered pixel dungeon is good but has a woke dev
Legends of runeterra (path of champions) but is live service so if you aren't playing it already its over
Dicey dungeons
Slay the spire
UndermineREDACTED
Rogue legacy 1 and 2
Magicraft

Noita remains king of course.

Dead cells is ass, Binding of issac looks like literal shit and Enter the gungeon is anti-fun the game
>>718573774
Kill yourself

>>718602679
I'd use Steam remote, but half the people I do play with the odd time are overseas, and last thing I want is a dead run due to a blip in the connection at an inopportune time.

>>718555845
OG wizard of legends was dope, you felt like the fucking avatar playing that game, there was no reason for them to turn the sequel into a hades clone.

>>718605605
I'll never forgive them

>Ctrl F Nethack
>Only one result

>>718593993
You're based for not doing the same fucking elf wizard everyone else does

What about Darkest Dungeon 2?