Thread 718543042

He needs a nerf and I'm tired of pretending he doesn't

>>718543042 (OP)
Walked into a sentry nest did we?

no, casual players are just retarded. the average shitter can't destroy even a minisentry without dying

we need a dispenser right here

He gets shit on by Demos and Medic ubers
SNIPER however shouldn't exist on open maps

>>718543042 (OP)
if youre willing to nerf explosive classes, im willing to nerf the wrangler.

>>718543097
>sucking my cock

Reminder that even compfags place restrictions on engie. If you're playing defense with a setup timer having an engineer on your team is actually meta.

>>718543042 (OP)
Nope.

>hard-countered by demo and spy
>"needs a nerf"

>>718543042 (OP)
that's not a picture of Sniper

>>718544449
Spy is more of a back-and-forth than a hard counter

>>718543042 (OP)
As a fellow scout main, I agree.

>>718543042 (OP)
Always found it weird that his construction PDA occupies an inventory slot when there's no other construction PDAs.
You! The anon reading this. Come up with something that you could replace it with.

>>718544334
>character specializing in defense at the cost of setup is actually pretty good at defense when set up
wow what a revelation

>>718544449
>hardcountered by spy
lmao no

The engie/spy battle is very stacked against spy. Especially if the engie has a wrangle spot. How is spy going to counter engie if he literally can't get to his buildings to sap them?

>>718543042 (OP)
gid gud

>>718544792
Yeah you'd think it would be obvious but one of the more common myths caused by competitive metas is people thinking engie is a weak class. Similar case with heavy.

>>718544449
wrangler/short circuit/rescue ranger all mean there's zero excuse for a demo to stick trap your sentry, most engineer players are just retarded and that's why they play engineer

>>718543042 (OP)
They should get rid of soldier.

>press 2
>triples sentry's HP
Pushing through a nest when these Texan fuckers know how to you use this is such a fucking slog

>>718544449
nobody plays demo

Remove Pyro

>>718545109
>Can't lock on to disguised spies

718545183
>nobody plays demo
I remember when bait used to be subtle.

>>718544745
>Always found it weird that his construction PDA occupies an inventory slot when there's no other construction PDAs.
Likely has to do with the fact that TF2 runs on Half Life's engine and thus uses the same weapon slot code.

>>718545252
Well yeah, you will see the knights.

>>718544745
PDA that sets things up at level 1 or 2 but can't be improved

>>718543042 (OP)
I wish. love having minions in games do the killing for me
but we always lose when i'm engineer. he needs a buff

>>718543042 (OP)
>t. Scout main

>>718545109
>900 hp sentry the engie can heal from behind cover with the rescue ranger

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>>718543097
This. Deus Ex is total cringe because it's too old.

>>718545109
>press 2
>sentry disabled

>The maybe 6th best class needs a nerf
And why would that be

Seriously, how can people have fun with playing Engie on red? Its a 50/50 between your team being good and you never seeing any action at all because they are good at defending your nest, or your team sucks and your nest falls in 5 seconds.

>>718546847
I dont play him often but Engi activates the RTS part of my brain especially with a good tele set up, it's funny to find some autistic spot to set up a nest in and watch my team push BLU's shit in while they spawn in infinite waves. the reverse is true as well, it's fun to just steamroll RED because I was able to get my nest pushed really far up.

>>718546847
Successfully pulling back during a fatal push with all the gear in tow is my favorite sensation as engineer

>>718543042 (OP)
minis need 700 range instead of 1000
there, I said it

>>718546847
Making a nest is a rookie mistake.
>make teleports near the front line as necessary
>pootispencer somewhere your team can access
>place the sentry somewhere annoying, often don't even bother upgrading it past level 1 unless you have an excess of time to burn
It's fun

No he doesn't and wrangler is not OP. It takes two seconds for half of the classes in the game to destroy a nest solo.

>>718546847
You're supposed to be doing things other than sitting at a nest.
Don't put a sentry/dispenser where it doesn't do anything until several minutes later.

>>718546847
I dunno.
I barely play engie these days and if I do, it's either blu engie or engineer on symmetrical maps.
eureka effect has become my favorite wrench.

I feel like Red Engie is just about playing your role methodically. You have the designated sentry spot for a point, a teleporter to maintain and a dispenser placed where its accessible to teammates. But it's generally not exciting.

>>718545464
not any of those anons, but your shitpost made me laugh and got the damn song chorus stuck in my head.
thanks, starman.

I just want gunslinger/minisentries nerfed.
Either reduce the range, fire rate, damage, health, no immediate 50hp deploy health, or give it a 101 metal cost.
So easy to brainlessly spam and get cheap kills/assists with easy replacements costing only 1 dead body ammo pickup as well as giving the engineer extra health.

>>718543042 (OP)
Next to the Razorback, the Short Circuit is the weapon that should never been added.
I'll mention though that I think Valve did a decent enough job balancing the Wrangler and Rescue Ranger.

>>718547929
it does 48 dps and can be killed in two shots by anything
shoot it with your gun after killing the engi

>>718544745
I always thought it would be cool to have mini versions of other Engineer buildings.
>Mini dispenser that heals faster than a level 1 or 2 (at a 2.5 level rate so 17.5 hp/s) but can't be repaired and dispenses ammo at a much slower rate
>mini tele that works faster than a level 3 but can only teleport a certain amount of people before it gets destroyed

>>718543042 (OP)
but enough about soldier

>>718545109
its fucking shit. You always have to aim at an awkward angle that leaves you vulnerable. Turtling is always preferable

>>718548213
>just 48 dps
>kill the engie then the sentry
Unless the engineer placed it in a bad spot in the open AND you have an effective ranged weapon (so get fucked if youre not using stock scout/soldier/demo or are a pyro not running dragons fury)

>>718548560
I'd replace the teleport with a pad that gives people a speed boost when they walk over it, like a 10 second version of the Disciplinary Action's effect. Much worse for moving people around the map, but would have some combat applications.

the short circuit should stay as is but also drain the clips of all weapons that deal splash damage btw

>>718543042 (OP)
ur
ugely

>Wrangler
>Rescue Ranger
>Short Circuit
>Frontier Justice
These are some of the most overpowered weapons in the entire game. The Frontier Justice is heavily slept on but it's literally just a better Diamondback.

>>718543097

out of 10

>>718546847
>build forward teleporter and get it to level 3 ASAP
>plop up a mini sentry to cover it
>throw a dispenser up near where people are fighting
>go roam with your shotgun

>>718548843
>(so get fucked if youre not using stock scout/soldier/demo or are a pyro not running dragons fury)
What was the first word in the title of the game again?

>>718544449
>Hard counter by-ACK
>*Shot at by a shotgun*

>>718544745
>Move Pip-Boy to PDA slot
>this ushers in a renaissance of custom PDAs with unique art for the HUD
The PDA slot was originally going to be used for alternate buildings like the mini-dispenser, repair node, speed and jump pads, and other things we know they tested out but they very quickly ran into the design problem of how you exactly mix and match them. Gunslinger being the spiritual successor to the PDQ was their answer: just tie it to the weapon slots lmao. They then proceeded to never make another new building.

>>718543042 (OP)
his unlocks are broken but like most things in the game teams don't really abuse it. 2 engs with short circuit/wrangler and a pybro take almost full team coordination to bring down but pubs aren't nearly disciplined enough either way

>>718547929
be glad it has a normal-sized hitbox now, doesn't spawn with 100 health, doesn't constantly heal itself a ridiculous amount during building, and cannot give the engineer metal with its scraps
it got nerfed pretty hard and the only thing that's actually lethal about it is the fact that it turns 35% faster

>>718548974
>but would have some combat applications.
that would be really powerful. in defense positions, it'd give red an infinitely refreshing speed buff.

defending in TF2 is already really easy, this would push things over the edge and off a cliff.

>>718551725
>implying you will ever have useful teammates in pubs.

>>718552634
1-2 heavies on cart
2 engis on cart spamming short circuit
literally unstoppable pub stomper

>>718543042 (OP)
>nerf one of the easiest to counter classes

>>718555227
use hitscan?

>>718543042 (OP)
He's the weakest class aside from Spy though. You could argue that Heavy is worse, but I'd prefer a 300 HP shotgunner to a 125 HP one, even if the former is slower and has a larger hitbox. You might also argue that Pyro is weaker, but airblast changed that. Sentries are useless against a coordinated push and mini-sentries are irritating and detract from the game but are not a legitimate thread. Engineers are just pub-stompers, in a game where Soldier is already a far better pubstomper.