Thread 718560164

>>718560164 (OP)
>A good book gets better at the second reading
Ehhhh.

>>718560164 (OP)
This nigga got the memory of a goldfish

>>718560164 (OP)
This dude must think those ABC books are fire

>>718560164 (OP)
When options are limited and your choice is replay something or stare at a wall only something ungodly offensively bad wouldn't be worth replaying to kill time. This is a non statement for the vast majority of things.

>>718560164 (OP)
I generally don't replay games ever. One playthrough is enough for me. I take my time and try to get the "full" experience of a game, but I still only need to do that once. I don't really ever feel the compulsion to return to a game after it's beaten.

>>718560164 (OP)
Retarded take
I generally don't reread, rewatch, or replay anything I like (unless I've completely forgotten it)

Never heard of a "Nassim Talib".
Dumb ragebait take from a nobody.

>>718560608
Excellent trolling anon.
For a stronger effect, allude to Star Wars or capeshit for that extra "I'm an ultra retarded consoomer" oomph. And the subtle illiteracy in not being able to write a not very complicated name properly, *chef's kiss*.
I'll give it a 7/10.

>>718560241
>>718560290
>>718560373
You must be 18 to post here, zoomers.

>Any book not worth rereading isn't worth reading
But you have to read it to find that out...

>>718561578
It means that if you come to the conclusion that this book is not worth reading again nothing in it is relevant or useful.
Obviously you can only determine that after reading it.

I can't imagine ever re-reading a fucking book. I replay plenty of arcade games, but I'm not going to sit through a 20 hour story game more than once.

>>718560164 (OP)
mild disagree
games are designed with a shorter primary loop that you iterate on during your experience to refine how you interact with it
typically a book's loop is one whole read-through of the book, where knowing the complete story can influence how you perceive earlier portions of it
while after growing skilled at the game you can loop back, i would argue that it's entirely possible for a game to not need replaying because it fully satiates your desire, mastery, and enjoyment of the gameplay (the purpose of a game) during a single playthrough

only mild disagreement because i think great games are still those you would gladly replay, but a game can be worth playing but not necessarily worth replaying.

>>718561830
Any sufficiently complex story will hit different on a second read through. Stuff you glossed over the first time because you didn't know the significance will stand out now you know where the author ultimately goes. Of course, this isn't always a good thing, depends on how the book is written whether you're thinking "omg I never noticed that" or "oh yeah, it does kinda drag this out for a while, doesn't it?"
But after that a 3rd or 4th reading is probably going to be many years down the line when the memory is getting dim and I want to refresh it.

Replayability is a meme, the vast majority of people don't give a fuck about that no matter how indepth you make the alternate playthroughs or ng+.

>>718562634
>any food not worth eating again after it comes out is not worth eating

>>718562721
>but a game can be worth playing but not necessarily worth replaying.
Can you name one game like that?
I don't think I would call any game I didn't want to replay "good". Decent, average, "get it on a sale if you're inclined", sure, but not "good".

>>718560164 (OP)

It is irrational to reread, rewatch, relisten or replay anything when you could partake of something new instead. There's more great works of art out there than you can experience in a hundred lifetimes.

>>718560164 (OP)
True, this is why I have like 50 completions of AoW4

>>718562924
Literally any JRPG? I had a lot of fun with DQ11, but I'd never want to spend 40 hours replaying it.

Sure, there are spergs who will just grind to max level on the first mob in the game in JRPGs, but for normal people, most story games are a one and done type of deal.

>>718561830
>Replaying a 20 hour game is too arduous for the newer generation
Oh, we're so fucked.

>>718561112
you stupit

The game we're working on will have wildly branching paths with entirely different stages based on what route you choose to take. Beating it is the only goal, you don't need to do it more than once or even play it twice but I believe people will be interested in doing so especially when they realize how wildly the events can change based on your actions and the routing. Like Rondo of Blood if they just kept making more stages.

>>718562907
Typically NG+ and the like aren't that big a development effort. Usually it's no more than a way to gracefully allow people who aren't quite done yet to get that last ounce of fun out of something. As a dev you don't want to be spending weeks of effort on it rather than the rest of the project, but it's a good way to round out an otherwise finished product. Especially for open world games or stuff with loads of side content, you probably didn't want to put off the story for a hundred hours to 100% every side mission, but you don't want to force the player to start from 0% now that the content is "missed" so a NG+ that retains some or all progression or a "the story is over, but you can still experience the game" is a low effort but high QoL feature that most games should get, even if it's only for a small minority who'd appreciate it. That minority will appreciate it which helps your brand image in the long run.

>>718560164 (OP)
I've never read any of his books even once. They must really be shit.

>>718562985
there really aren't that many great works in any medium. I've already seen all great movies and I've played all the great games at least in genres I actually find interesting. the only way to find more "great works" would be to branch out into other genres of games and frankly I don't think that's very feasible for somebody over 30 who has a life. wholly different games than what a gamer is used to take too much investment. they end up feeling more like work than play.
it's honestly more likely I'll end up reading some books in my 40s than trying to squeeze more drops of water from the desert rock that is gaming and movies. I certainly haven't read all great books yet.

>>718562907
The best games have replayability without any tacked-on features to increase replayability.
You just keep playing them because they're fun.

>>718561112
almost all zoomers are over 18, some are pushing 30

>>718560164 (OP)
reading stories is for drooling retards. "books are for smart people" comes from the middle ages where books were bibles and science collection. It never meant fictions and never will.

Oh so replaying and rereading is good but reposting the same thread 3 or more times sends you into a rage?

>>718560164 (OP)
That's a black mans name.
Who the FUCK would take advice about books from a black man?

>>718564651
kek
gotem

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; idiots discuss local real estate; and retards discuss video gaming.

anon you realise this makes you a retard right?..

>>718563036
I've replayed my favorite jrpgs multiple times, so it just sounds like DQ11 is a shitty jrpg to me

>>718560608
>Nassim Talib
its that arab guy who gets really angry when you call him arab

>>718567150
That just makes me think you have autism.

>>718560164 (OP)
I guess all puzzle games are bad then.

Any game not worth replaying can be replaced with a youtube recording of someone else playing it so you can skip the boring parts

>>718567476
Portal is okay for a few playthroughs.

>>718560164 (OP)
deep arab wisdom right there

True

>>718562721
Yeah, I think part of the apepal of games is the feeling of challenge, progression and mastery and most games are going to be designed with that in mind so I don't really see that much fun to be had in replaying early stages of the game designed for when you didn't know all the mechanics yet very fun. I suppose there's higher difficulty levels, NG+ or some sort of post-game content and some people engage with that but for SP games I don't think most people are that interested in grinding it out without some sort of driving force like the story. Both have to come together.

>>718564503
this. a good jrpg is infinitely more replayable than a bad roguelike.

>>718563076
>This is the first time in history people don't want to replay games!!!!!!!
Get the fuck over yourself, Jesus Christ

>>718562985
>There's more great works of art out there than you can experience in a hundred lifetimes.
If you exclude books, that's absolutely not true. There's not that many masterpieces in movies, tv, vidya and music. It only feels like you'll never run out when you're young. You will. For games I'd say you can complete all the good SP ones in 15000 hours, and I'm being generous. After that you either play meh shit or go completionist on the stuff that you actually love, or waste endless time in online games I guess

First time: discovering the overall plot and getting to know the characters

Second time: getting to know the characters deeper as you can cross reference subtle personality quirks or language patterns they express early on with the developed character you already know from the last playthrough. Same thing with the game world or setting. You now have the context to understand all these refferences and forshadowing, you can see the personalities of the nonfamiliar characters when you first meet them and how they act towards you contrasted with their more developed friendly version later on, and being aware of more details about them get another dimension of understanding about them based on how they choose to hide or alter themselves. If the writing does not have these qualities its basically shit.

Third time: Having played through the second time and gained this understanding of the characters and world you can now play through a third time, this time knowing the entities in the game as their most complex and closest to true selves and examine their reactions and actions and motivations at each step along the way through the lense of knowing each stage of their own revealing to you related to how they appear. The deepest understanding

Literally no reason to replay a shit game with bad characters though

>>718567476
You're not old enough to understand that you'll forget every puzzle you solved today in a decade. Then you can replay it again

who the fuck would read the same book more than once when there are millions to choose from

>>718564651
You're comparing things with 1000x-10000 difference in information content. Maybe retarded.

>>718568593
Why the fuck would someone be having the same arguments on /v/ over and over again for decades
Because it's easier than doing something new, that's why

>>718568593
>>718568710
Why would you go to a restaurant and order something you know will be absolutely delicious instead of trying something new. There are endless amounts of dishes to choose from.

>>718560164 (OP)
>Progress is measured in knowledge rendering the game un-replayable unless you suffer memory loss

>>718561685
But that's retarded. Some things are good forever, and some things are good for the moment. Trying to hold onto some grander attachment of "purpose" with your leisure is absolutely foolish, and robs it of its real value.

>>718568923
>unless you suffer memory loss
You do, it's called aging. Just stop obsessing over the game, let it go and let yourself forget. You will forget

any food not worth re-eating is not worth eating

You're not meant to replay RPGs. They're designed for players to make choices with imperfect information
Biowarefags are the worst for this. They all talk online as if playthroughs with the perfect "best" choices is assumed like a hivemind
The magic is ruined when you've already peaked behind the curtain and know with 100% certainty how to keep everyone alive in the ME2 suicide mission. Or how to keep Isabela from leaving in DA2. Or how to stop romanced Alistair from sacrificing himself in DAO
The first blind playthrough is the only one that is truly yours. Everything after that is tainted

>>718561112
They’re brown not underaged. Blame the American educational system.

>>718560164 (OP)
So ghost trick is shit and not worth playing?

>>718562924
Outer wilds perfectly captures that. But it's an exception because it's entirely knowledge based, so a replay will take you 15-40 minutes tops.
I happen to agree with replayability as a sign of a good game, but I only replay a handful of games like once every 3-5 years. Haven't read nearly enough books to comment on that part. I suspect most of the anons ITT haven't either.

Replaying games is for A: poor people (or children) who are too stupid to pirate or emulate, or B: people too afraid to leave their comfort zone and try a new game.

>>718560164 (OP)
>reread book
>exact same things happen
>has the exact same ending

Time stolen

>>718560164 (OP)
>Any game not worth replaying isn't worth playing

Largely true.

>>718569035
Sure I'll forget the finer details there's no forgetting the big secrets

>>718562985
you're the type of fag to watch 300 movies and "read" dozens of books and the only insight you'd have on any of it would be
>eh I kinda liked it I guess
consuming for the sake of consumption is a disease and adds no depth to your character or insight
having taste necessitates some form of exclusionary criteria, and I'm not talking about /v/ style contrarianism, so unless you're a savant you literally cannot partake in endless consumption in any way that's productive

>>718569083
Yeah but I like the world and experiencing again.
Replaying a good game or rereading a good book is simply reminiscing on a good time.

Why are you faggots trying to minmax life?
>NO YOU HAVE TO DO NEW THINGS ALL THE TIME OR YOUR WASTING OPPORTUNITY
Fuck off cunt, I've reread my favourite book four times, I've replayed my favourite game five times, and I make my favourite meal multiple times throughout the year.

>>718569460
>watch 300 movies and "read" dozens of books
>this is considered a lot now

FFS, I've read hundreds of books and seen thousands of movies. I'm also quite a bit older than most of /v/, but the point is that this wasn't THAT rare 20-30+ years ago.

>>718569083
>You're not meant to replay RPGs.

This is the most objectively false thing ever posted on /v/.

>>718569371
When you're older you'll appreciate the finer details more because that is where the charm lies.
The difference between the good cutlery and the regular cutlery comes down to the filigree.

>>718560164 (OP)
>it gets good 16 hours in
nah fuck off nigger.

>>718569573
yeah I felt a bit dumb after hitting post because I've watched close to a thousand movies so I guess I'm guilty too but I was more referring to a specific type of person
treating things like a checklist is more of a modern FOMO thing I think, or at the very least has been exacerbated by social media and wider accessibility
early 2000s you'd have to be really into books to have access to a lot of them, and even then you'd be waiting days or weeks for them to arrive, and read, and then you'd join a book club to talk to other nerds about it
same thing with foreign movies
remember book/movie clubs? a lot less contrarians back then as I remember

>>718560164 (OP)
The only reason why any book would get better after a second reading is because your boomer ass skimmed through it and went straight to the end the first time around just so you can use it as a lame conversation piece at some gay cocktail party with your equally brainlrotted peers.

>>718569976
No. The reason would be that you've grown in wisdom and knowledge and can appreciate it in a new light.

me not read senpai

>>718569135
>America out of nowhere
>Doesn't know what a timezone is
kek nice education