Thread 718570123

There's a worryingly increasing amount of people who take "gameplay" to mean "dynamic reflex based action in real time 3D" and discount everything else as "not gameplay" including strategy, tactics, preparation, turn based gameplay, character building, roleplay, puzzles, etc

My guess is that there are grown up casual ADHD zoomers who mainly play games to satisfy their ADHD rather than because they enjoy the interactive medium

Roleplay isn't gameplay, it's roleplay.

>>718570123 (OP)
Most of those suck for other reasons thoughbeit.
TOTAL WAR. Sieges in 2025 STILL SUCK. I'm calling you out CA/SEGA. Plus they made Hyenas which yeah, they got a lot of problems over there

Doom is peak video gaming. It was all downhill from there.

So I was roleplaying with my goonsquad when we all decided loli parasitism wasn't really doing it anymore. Needless to say I think a erotic hgame variant of plague inc would be pretty damn good. Think deadspace only instead of brethern moons its cunny moons

>>718570123 (OP)
Bro at least post the black funny version

cumskins need not try

>>718570393
Why, it doesn't apply to the topic at hand, stupid nigger

>>718570123 (OP)
the slight inclusion of jumping makes me think that image was created by a soulsfag, to which I say, a slow strategy game has a gameplay more fun than soulslikes, and so does dmc

>>718570123 (OP)
Very true
Puzzle gamers are the real gameplay chads

>>718570123 (OP)
true. I hate seeing rpgs abandon turn based combat, or MMOs abandon action bar combat, both of which can be very fun, and everything is becoming an action game. it's so fucking monotonous. just the slow transformation of every single game into the same open world, soulslike + ubisoft slop. I hate it.

>>718570364
could be interesting but I don't think the world is ready for loli necrophilia

>>718570123 (OP)
>proceeds to buy ARPG final fantasy remakes+sequels+tax+tip then blames zoomers again for making E33 popular
You will never beat troll remorse generation allegations.

>>718570276
the skill set and level for creating different types of gameplay are varied. Its easier to make a servicable platformer that it is to make a half competent ai. All the strategy and tactics parts of the gameplay completely falls through when the ai marches their units at your mainline 1 at a time.
Thats why platformers often get cited over strategy games and stuff for gameplay.

>>718570393
>Upset from omission of balls in the op
Niggas be zesty

World would be a better place if faggots would accept that not everyone likes the same shit.

>>718570123 (OP)
There's the related group of "anti-story" retards who virtue signal against any sort of game narrative because they think it takes away from their button mashing. I hate you fags so much.

>>718570970
too many people are up their own ass for that to happen. they think their fucking mindset is the objective truth.

>>718570970
We're not talking about "liking shit", we're talking about a group of people that makes objective claims on what is and isn't gameplay, and how certain games are worse by default because they don't have that supposed "gameplay"

If they just said "I prefer twitchy zoomzoom games" there'd be no issue

>>718570845
CA has done this for DECADES. This "uuuh it's hard to fix one of the best parts of Total War dontcha know." Bruh. CA are run by retards. If I was the boss there I'd tell them the next game needs to have proper sieges or they'll all get fired.

>>718570123 (OP)
Menus aren't gameplay

>>718570123 (OP)
People that primarily play comp shooters or BRs are a different breed. They don't care about games, they just wanna shoot.

>>718571170
You arent a real gamer if you say this.

>>718571384
Yes we know they have autism

>>718570123 (OP)
zoomers will clap at everything that lets them press one button for cool shit happeneing on screen.
GAME OF THE YEAR 420BLAZEIT
has become real

>>718570123 (OP)
According to /v/ only combat is gameplay.

>>718570123 (OP)
there are -100 IQ niggers on /v/ who think mashing one button as many times as possibly without thinking is "fire gameplay" just because a million particle effects fill the screen and they call everything else boring.

>>718570123 (OP)
You don't have ADHD unless you have ADHD which is relatively rare.

>>718570123 (OP)
When I think about things that aren't gameplay it's things like walk and talk sections where you're forced to slowly waddle alongside some NPC through an area while they spew out exposition, I have zero tolerance for shit like that. Watching Cloud Strife limp after the ghost of Sepiroth through an alleyway or Kratos carrying that pig into the turtle hut. Just thinking about it gives me a hernia.

>>718571889
I have ADHD - A Damn Huge Dick

>>718570123 (OP)
Gameplay is everything that you do to PLAY the GAME, so every user interaction.
Also
>ledditbob
Fucking kill yourself zoomshitter

I'd argue that "enjoying the interactive medium" does actually include the real time reflex based action you're quick to disregard.
I think the value of computer games is being able to automate processing of inputs into outputs that can't be done manually. For example, you don't need a computer to play a card game or D&D -in the case of the latter it's actively a hindrance since it's unable to cope with the imagination part of D&D.
Simulation of things in real time is kind of where computers excel. Calculating the physics response between two bodies colliding, simulating the damage caused by an APHE shell hitting the compartment of a tank at a few hundred metres a second, rendering a screen full of a hundred individual zombies chasing the player.
All of these are interactive experiences.

>>718572413
No one is discounting them as gameplay, the point is that they're not the ONLY type of gameplay as many believe

>>718570123 (OP)
it's the same shit with using dub over subs. they don't want to pay attention to the screen

>>718570123 (OP)
My favorite version of this is people who simultaneously shit on turn based games as easy baby games while simultaneously revealing themselves to be god awful at them. It happens so fucking frequently it's baffling
>Yeah I beat the game easily I just grinded for 20 hours while reading a walkthrough

>>718570123 (OP)
Many puzzle games lack all three of those

>>718570123 (OP)
>me when the game doesn't have swords, guns, or jumping and it's fucking awesome
https://youtu.be/c6AJw6T5Mlc?si=zu-epwRBRWbE7mMh

>>718572413
>you're quick to disregard.
nobody is disregarding them, the entire point is retards who spend all their time disregarding everything else because of some weird insecurity
I don't know why action fans feel the need to shit on everything else, but it's very tedious

>>718570276
Total War sieges were NEVER good, the AI was always totally overwhelmed

Tetris has perfect gameplay, but I think we're at the point where people are literally getting too retarded to stack blocks

>>718572413
Spoken like someone who's never actually used a VTT.

>>718570123 (OP)
>a "walking simulator" type game where "the gameplay is king"
imagine...

>>718573765
You mean a strand type game?

>>718570276
I've found that people who spit "gameplay is king" are always absolute utter shit eaters with the attention span of a mentally deficient toddler. It's the epitome of BING BING WAHOO fried dopamine brainfry.
Even then, that "gameplay" always gets too tedious and boring after 10-15 hours and they then claim that the game is too long. They're the worst all in one, worse than the avg. Normies.
True Chvds love them good culture like good dialogue , story and exposition.

>>718574092
What's a good game to play for dialogue and story? Open to any suggestions.

This one cave contains more gameplay opportunities than almost any Mario level ever

Racing sims and rts are peak gameplay.

>>718570123 (OP)
>no swords guns or jumping
so a walking simulator not much of a gameplay is it

>>718570123 (OP)
>everything else as "not gameplay" including strategy, tactics, preparation, turn based gameplay, character building, roleplay, puzzles, etc
Stupid zoomers can believe whatever they want, I dont need to tell you how massively successful turn bases rpgs are

>>718574510
>what are puzzle games?

I mean this game TECHNICALLY has jumping but only on designated jump pads. And I like it a lot. So there proved you wrong. Also Tetris fuck you

>>718574631
not real games just like visual novels

OP is the reason that the top two strategy games on Steam are Counterstrike and Rainbow Six.

>>718574725
Ok, smart ass. what do you consider "real" game?

>>718574510
retard

>>718574510
Rhythm games

>base builders and colony sims are not real games
I blame all the microplastics piling up in their brains

>>718574791
a interactive visual media that requires skill to beat

>>718574938
So not souls games which can be cheesed even by those with no skill?

>>718574725
Many puzzle games also require reflex gameplay thougheverbeit.

>>718571163
>If they just said "I prefer twitchy zoomzoom games" there'd be no issue
Sounds like you're just as close-minded as the people you're criticizing

Go back.

>>718574994
i concur
>>718575054
name a singular one(1) puzzle game that require reflex

>>718574938
>requires skill to beat
Not a requirement, never was. Also puzzle games requires problem solving skills and logic, retard.

>>718575218
Lost levels

>>718575218
Name a single puzzle game you ever performed at a high level in

>>718575246
>puzzle games requires problem solving skills and logic
you can just look for the solution online not a real game

>>718570123 (OP)
that's because moment to moment action is more interesting than slow drip feed of numbers and pretty particle effects. you'll get it as you get older and develop better tastes in gaming.

>>718575246
Imagine thinking puyo puyo requires problem solving skills and logic

>>718575438
lol zoomoid tryna pass as an oldfag

>>718575401
Tell me the solution to a high score at puyo puyo
We're talking about pvp arcade puzzle games idiot

>>718575310
first off i don't play puzzle games because they are not real games to begin with second off there are no high level puzzle games

>>718575218
Talos Principle

>>718575552
>doesn't play puzzle games
>doesnt know about puzzle games that have scoring
Why are you posting?

>>718575508
>glorified tetris
>match the shapes
>skill and problem solving skill
are you fucking 12

>>718570123 (OP)
You just made this up to be mad about it

>>718575552
>complain about puzzle games despite never playing them
>there are no high level puzzle games
How did you know that if you don't even play puzzle games you fuck idiot?

>>718575664
Post your win-loss record in puyo puyo, online and at the arcade

>>718575635
>Why are you posting?
im here to shed a light on the misconception of the existence of puzzle "games" they are not interactive enough or require skill enough to be justified calling them video games

>>718570393
This tweet is really true. I can't get anyone to play anything other than Sportsball or CoD.

>>718575773
>>718575831
you can't play puzzle games by definition they aren't either interactive enough or possess a high skill ceiling

>>718576101
>can't play puzzle games by definition

>>718570123 (OP)
>There's a worryingly increasing amount of people who take "gameplay" to mean "dynamic reflex based action in real time 3D"
This has been the prevailing sentiment for 20+ years

>>718571074
>All game stories are trash, and if I wanted a story, I'd read a book!
>has never read a book that wasn't assigned to them in school

>>718571505
t.pokemon 'fan'

>>718572341
>ledditbob
>zoomshitter
What in the fuck
SpongeBob is 26 years old
The kids who grew up with it are in their 30s to early 40s

>>718576101
You're just being a prankster at this point, aren't you?
A contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian!

>>718576396
>no arguments
i accept your concession

>>718570123 (OP)
What's a game that doesn't have swords, guns or jumping in it?
Hard Mode: no puzzle games.

>>718576872
Ridge Racer

>>718576627
>i have no argument
>better start name calling him
admit it puzzle games are not real games

>>718576872
Pong

>>718570239
fpbp hundreds of retards ragebaited. roleplay was for when computers couldn't simulate things we wanted to do.
now that computers CAN simulate what we want we don't need to spend time imagining something better while staring at 2D sprites

>>718575552
>there are no high level puzzle games
this man living in the mid 70s

>>718576872
Balatro

>>718570970
fuck you nigger

>>718570123 (OP)
Spear + hop chads

>>718573537
>playing Barbarian Invasion
>massacre like 15k steppe niggers with 3 untis of Comitatenses because the AI refuses to attack more than one gate once the first is breached
Good times.

>>718576872
Primitive Beat-em-ups.
Punch-Out.

Burnout series games,your turn,fuckwit.

>>718577165
Retard doesn't even understand what roleplaying is

When you play New Vegas on a pacifist run without killing anyone you are ROLEPLAYING and experiencing unique GAMEPLAY even though you're not SHOOTING anyone, the game itself is not forcing you to do so and you are making things harder on yourself by doing so, yet that's still valid gameplay that depends entirely on you deciding to play a certain way

>>718570123 (OP)
>niggas
Didn't read your thread, opinion tank subhuman

>>718570123 (OP)
I never brought Guild Wars because you can't jump in it.

>>718577674
Are new anons seriously so retarded that they only focus on the OP image without reading the context of the thread?

>>718570596
>Puzzle
>Adventure
>CYOA
everyone else is a fake fucking gamer

>>718570123 (OP)
I'm glad the tables are turning and story shit that plagued the 2010s are dying out.

>>718570123 (OP)
This is what happens when you insist on outdated dual analog controllers and consoles that can "do everything".
>Can't use menus
>Can't move fast
>Can't aim at things
>Can't look around
>Can't interact with things by clicking on them or picking them up, just by vaguely hovering near them
>Tiny screen real-estate due to huge viewmodels and low FoV
All you've got left are reflex challenges in cover based shooters and Z-targeting melee games, welcome to parryworld.

>>718570123 (OP)
Asian games all suck ass, though. The games that are actually good, can be counted on one hand. Fuck all that flying crap and wushu shit and all that fucking gook shit.

>>718570276
Don't worry, they'll reveal 40k later this year and save us all and save gaming.

>>718570861
Kek

>>718577020
Tetris, Puyo, Columns, Solomon's Key, superhot ...
Sure, you can argue you can look up solutions for different states online, but you still have to execute well, and it can be tiresome to pause the game nonstop to figure things out.

>>718570123 (OP)
Is it fun to make up shit to get upset about?

>>718578986
I want it and I'd pay for it and all of the DLC but I don't trust modern CA. It's crazy when you compare RTW compared to modern Total War. They've gone backwards.

>>718577668
But what about all the enemies in the game that can't be interacted with and attack you by default? Not talking about monsters or animals, but random human raiders n stuff, what about them?

>>718579441
Their new engine will save us

>>718579661
Running from them is gameplay, finding ways around them is gameplay, ensuring you have enough armor and healing items to survive them without killing them is gameplay

>>718579725
Don't give me hope

>>718579180
Anon, i don't think he actually wants to depate in good faith. His "definition" of games is >>718574938, which is only half correct. Video games never needed or required skill to beat in order to be games, the least requirement is to simply have a level of Interactivity between the player and the medium, and yes the includes walking sims or adventure games like Yume Nikki even if they don't have a clear goal . That's what make them different from other entertainments such as movies, books, etc...

>>718578986
>primaris and friends
Sure.

>>718570123 (OP)
I remember not liking turn based games was a sign of low iq and not having playing many games back in the day (I'm talking 20 to 25 years ago), now retards who don't like it think they have arguments that are described exactly as your image.

>>718580057
There's nothing wrong with not liking a genre of games, but shitting on it just because it doesn't appeal to you is another issue.

>>718577165
And yet, the RPG that's ever given the player real freedom to craft their own experience was Morrowind. Every other attempt is just glorified story slop with essential NPCs or isn't even an RPG like Mass Effect.

>>718576872
Almost all racing games, from realistic sims to wacky kart racers.

>>718574691
If I was in charge for a new F-zero game I would hire Naoto Tanaka and Sawano Hiroyuki
and contract Madhouse to do make some animations.

just to let you know

>>718570123 (OP)
>YOU HAVE TO LIKE EVERY SINGLE GAME
>YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE PREFERENCES OR PERSONAL TASTE
>DON'T THINK AND BE A SHEEP LIKE ME
cringe desu ne

>>718574197
Hotel Dusk and its sequel.

>>718582501
Work on your reading comprehension

>>718582501
who are you arguing with?

>>718582816
you

>>718579326
There are anons claiming that shit itt right now though

>>718579326
Are you kidding? You've not seen 10,000 posts shitting on turn based games for no reason in the past year alone?

I just spent an hour reorganizing labors for my dwarves and then hit the play button only to watch them move around for a couple days before I spent another hour designing new bedrooms and a forge layer for my fort. I have to sleep now. Might be able to "play" soon....

>>718570276
>TOTAL WAR. Sieges in 2025 STILL SUCK
Wtf are you talking about?
Medieval 2 Total war sieges are amazing and this is a 20 years old game. I didn't played anything after that one, because they perfected it back then.

>>718586909
>Wtf are you talking about?
Sieges don't exist anymore. It's one wall and that's it. Naval combat is also gone yet Empire had it. Total War has gone backwards and become worse. There's monsters in Warhammer which is cool but it doesn't fix all the stuff that's gone forever.

>gameplay is when I loredump my childhood trauma on you after you picked up a crumpled note and lampstick
Thanks walking sim, devs

one of the biggest issues with the modern industry is that 'qol streamlining' ended up pruning a lot of the connecting mental engagement that existed outside of either direct physical action or canned puzzle gimmicks. games don't feel like adventures anymore as much as a sequence of gameplay nuggets.

>>718587709
Yeah discovering how the game is played used to be part of the game design, now it feels like games are made with drag and drop prefabs

>>718570123 (OP)
I had a similar thought after going on a point and click adventure kick recently. if you want something other than abstract puzzles or job simulators there's really not much out there to stimulate your brain. core part of human engagement is just kind of shrugged off.

>>718572078
I honestly stopped hating them as much as I did before the moment I just interpreted them as “interactive cutscenes” where they try to depict something a normal cutscene can’t normally do. Don’t get me wrong you can dislike them and you’ll have valid reasons to do it. But at least I “appreciate” when they do it to depict something, like a struggle or something; the walk and talk sections are obnoxious because they don’t do anything interesting with them… its just walk and talk. At that point just make them a cutscene.
I don’t know if I’m getting my point across, I’m heavily sleep deprived. What I’m trying to say is that if you are going to have them in a game, do something interesting with them; if I’m just going to hear a faggot talk about why he misses his wife. Just make a fucking cutscene.

>>718586909
Medieval 2 was developed by Australian branch of CA back in the day. The British HQ was probably busy developing new engine for Empire, which are a buggy mess. This is an important distinction because it's very likely Australian devs who made Medieval 2 aren't involved with CA and Total Wars at all after their branch got disbanded.

>>718576872
(grand) Strategy games
>Total war games
>Civilisation games
>Stronghold
>RTS

Slices of life games
>weed seller
>The Long Drive
>Canadian simulator

Economy lines go up games
>galactic organ trader
>ironic stock broker
>medieval silk route merchant