Thread 718587309

Even people who don't play tournament absolutely want to turn off items and only play on the same 3 stages out of 100.
Finding somebody who wants to play it the fun way with the whole game content is rare now, everybody I know only want to play with no items and BF/FD stages

>wtf why do people play the game differently than I do? that's not fun and nobody is having fun because they play the game differently than me
What causes this mental illness?

People think its an unfair advantage because they suck at using them

>>718587309 (OP)
For Fun was actually even less fun. It was full of faggot taunt parties.

>>718587309 (OP)
>why do people not want to play with RNG items and stages that give advantage states. Do people not think losing to le random bullshit isn't fun? Are they retarded??
Fun is subjective and your mother is a whore.

Any of you remember/aware that this game didn't require you to pay to use its Internet?

It's true.
We used to play online without paying extra monthly fees. Consoles used to have 4 controller ports, too.

>>718587309 (OP)
The items and stages in the new games are unfun cancer.

they should've kept the For Fun / For Glory modes tbqh

>>718587525
>knock a player into the air
>Starman spawns on top of them
Ah yes, I should've foreseen this..

>>718587479
>wtf why do people absolutely want to play the game only in one specific way, and get angry at you for even suggesting to play other games otherwise? that's not fun to be forced to play with none of the game's content

I fixed it for you.

>>718587561
Tbh both modes in Smash 4 were too rigid, you were forced to play with timer and no stocks in For Fun. But I'm not talking about these two modes specifically, but about the two game styles they represent.

>>718587750
This doesn't get brought up enough. The items and stages in 64 were fine. Stages started getting a bit retarded in Melee and from then it was only downhill. The items got stupid and there are too many of them, nobody wants to explain what 50 items do. A bunch of the Pokemon and Assist Trophies are really annoying things that take up most of the screen. You don't need to be a tournament stinky to realize these things fucking suck

>>718587479
Shitters that are too shit at the game to play it at a competitive level, and insist that anyone playing seriously is doing it wrong.

I see this exact same kind of mentality in WoW as well, with casual shitters constantly bitching and moaning about "the minmaxers, the sweaties" and how they are allegedly "minmaxing the fun out of the game". Because apparently the only way to "have fun" in WoW is flailing around like a retard and doing less dps than the tank.

Items, Pokeballs and Assist Trophies got more and more overtuned as the series went on to the point where you're barely even actually fighting the other person, you're just jumping around waiting for a Gust Bellows (that instantly kills the opponent) or a Pokeball (80% chance it'll be something that instantly kills the opponent) to spawn.
No items fox only FD became the standard probably because you're actually getting to play Smash Bros with the other person, not a 2 person platformer where you're spending more time trying not to fall in the Norfair lava or instantly getting killed because you didn't do the stage gimmick right than you are actually fighting.
I play comp and me and my friends used to also play with items on sometimes but we had to very specifically curate the items that spawn because anything past a certain point and it's barely any fun really.
>>718587525
I always hated this dumbass casual elitist take that is somehow somewhat prevalent among people who don't actually play Smash. If someone is going to beat you with no items, they're also going to beat you with items, if anything the gap between the two players will get even wider because the no items player will likely know exactly where to throw a theoretical Pokeball to fuck you up the hardest regardless of what spawns since specific sets of items do exist in comp play and every character that has access to them abuses them heavily.

tl;dr Item powercreep made it so playing without them is much more fun on a base level.

>>718587949
>and get angry at you for even suggesting to play other games

>>718588003
>Norfair lava
It kills both players equally how is it not fair? You sound like a massive shitter who cannot adapt and so cope by shitting out buzzwords.

>>718588030
you did assert that someone is mentally ill for simply wanting to play the game a different way.

>>718588182
>shitter shitter no YOU ARE A SHITTER
casual detected

>>718587309 (OP)
because items make an already chaotic game just feel random. Despite what some might tell you, people like playing smash as a fighting game. A casual fighting game, sure, but as a fighting game.

Items and stages favor fast characters. Pick Sonic and you'll always win.

>>718588003
>casual elitist
you fags have such a persecution complex holy shit

>>718588304
Just use the items yourself lil bro it ain't hard.

>>718588349
we're not the ones making threads to bitch and moan about non-casuals playing the game wrong and "not having fun"

>>718588304
You are unable to avoid Norfair's lava and can't deny it, so you resort to ad personam attacks, very well.

any sort of VS game is infinitely more cancer when the other person isn't within backhand distance.

you always see the most meta anti-fun shit otherwise, the risk of the backhand/table flip keeps already good players playing fairly instead of just abusing the most bullshit thing they know about.

>>718588314
The chaos is what makes Smash's identity, and navigating the chaos is a skill. Every games look the same with "competitive" rules.

>>718588003
>you actually play the game by disabling 80% of the game
What causes this mental illness?

I used to turn off the really busted items like starman or the heart container, but that was when everyone just wanted to hang out and play Free-For-Alls in person instead of just playing in 1v1s in lobbies or on slippi or whatever and only became interested in playing the game to prepare for tournaments they'd never actually win because they can't compete with guys who play video games as a full-time job.
I fucking hate esports

>>718588626
>wannabe e-spurts incel gets violent whenever he can't win
How many controllers have you smashed in your tard rage?

>>718588626
Extremely black post.

>>718588182
Sure it's fair until the opponent throws a Pokeball and Kyogre comes and and he pushes you into the lava wall or you get stuck in place because Shadow spawned out the Assist Trophy and you can't play Smash anymore. Stage hazards by themselves aren't too bad (usually), but put them together with items and you might as well just be rolling slots.
>>718588416
The point is that items are so overtuned that the gameplay is more about them than actually fighting your opponent, which people don't find fun because they'd rather actually fight the other person.
>>718588630
If you think the items are where the depth of Smash's gameplay lies that says way more about you than anyone else.

>>718587309 (OP)
When items or funny stages are on, a small number of them will (at the behest of RNG) basically invalidate every other mechanic. The core mechanics of the fighting are enjoyable and intricate so people would prefer not to have the RNG time bomb ticking in the background waiting to turn off every other part of the game.

>>718588813
never have, i have just noticed better behavior out of the better player when i get my ass kicked than online play.

take Magic the Gathering for example, IRL you might get some Red Deck Wins type shit, or blue crap, but you will rarely if ever deal with infinite turn shit for example.

Items were okay in 64 and acceptable in Melee.
They got too retarded starting from Brawl.

>>718587309 (OP)
the very moment online matchmaking became a thing
the only value you can get out of it is to win if all you do is play against faceless people you'll never interact again

>>718589150
Melee item balance was ideal because a lot of items were actually pretty ass. I think they were mostly fine in Brawl barring some stuff like the Smart Bomb, but yeah, after Brawl they just shot to the fucking moon and never came back down.

>>718587750
The final smashes suck too. Most of the new ones are cutscenes that take place outside the match.

>>718587967
t. Tournament stinky

>>718589305
Easiest to balance if the final smash works exactly like a normal attack.

>>718587309 (OP)
it's lame to win/lose because a random number generator picked the winner/loser

taking out sources of randomness means player inputs matter more, and it's nice for your inputs to matter

>>718589297
Smart Bomb isn't that good when you can just SDI out.

Items and stages are balanced around the expectation that you are using the timer mode so little Timmy doesn't need to sit out for the rest of the match for jumping off a cliff 3 times in a row.
They're so swingy powerful and were done with complete disregard for the other game rules like playing stocks, stamina, or even coin mode.

>>718589305
>cutscene final smash
>down b counter
>traveling platform stage
Sakurai please retire

>>718587309 (OP)
at the time when we had no internet at home, me and my brother used to play every single day meele (and then brawl). As we both improved our skills and our rivalry growth, we used to disable items and pick final destination everytime we wanted to take things seriously and as time passed, this practice become more and frequent to the point of no return. Again, this was at a time when we had no internet at home and we had no idea about tourney/meta faggotrism. So i guess it is natural progression

>>718588628
you're an autist if you can't see the difference between having all the items on, some people who go to final destination with nothing but a smash ball, and people modding pokemon stadium in melee to not have transformations for fox mains. There is an entire breadth of perfectly fun playable smash that isn't le ebin chaotic and randumb omg.

>>718587479
>positing the question of why someone likes one thing over another is mental illness
???

>>718589305
I fucking hate these. There were so many possibilities with the creation of the new FS, but no, now almost every character has basically the exact same FS that Captain Falcon had since Brawl.

>>718589362
Tourneyfags will disable final smashes anyways, even with the smash bar, so what's the matter?

>>718589368
The RNG isn't the only factor of win/lose, saying it is is pure bad faith.

>>718589297
I remember items in melee being insane because you throw them super fast and hard, like the bat is a crazy projectile that hits people at an awkward angle

>>718590012
Throwing the home run bat is still way stronger than actually using it sadly. desu the issue with items is almost entirely the fact that throwing them only takes 3 frames and getting hit by even something as shitty as a capsule is as strong as getting hit by like, a strong tilt or uncharged smash attack

>>718587479
The left mode basically doesn’t exist anymore for the grand majority of games. Look at mario kart world for example.

>>718589803
taking out RNG means it has less influence on a match, and I deliberately phrased it as not being a binary. can you not read?

I’ll never forgive smashfags for banning Sephiroth’s stage even though it’s 100% tournament legal just because the background is “distracting”

>>718587309 (OP)
Stage/item gimmicks became way too obtrusive after Melee. It hardly feels rewarding to get a pokeball and get a summon like Keldeo, Kyogre Darkrai etc and have the game basically hand you free kills. And lets be real, even most casuals aren't going to be picking ultra gimmicky stages like summit, 75m or great cave. Alot of the newer maps are just straight up ass to play on.

>>718588030
You literally said that other people are mentally ill for not wanting to play the game competitively

>>718590220
This is how I can tell you don’t play fighting games. Be grateful you get to play with backgrounds and not a fucking DESMOS grid.

>>718587309 (OP)
The whole Smash scene is autist, that's why. They're trying to play it like a regular fighting game.
Smash is only fun when played alongside friends, with hazards and items enable.

Competitive Smash players are a lot like competitive TF2 players in that they don't actually like the game.

>>718590220
I didn't know Super Smash Brothers had Sephiroth or a Sephiroth's Stage.

>>718590220
>>718590428

Nooooo, most stages are too distracting. Also, some of the voices are distracting too so let's turn off all voice lines. Alot of costumes are distracting too so we'll set all characters to form fitted grey body suits. And don't get me started on the distracting music so well swap that out for good old white noise. If stripping away the art and personality of a game to play collectively then I suggest you just play chess, black and white pieces on a grid.

>>718589281
Exactly this. It’s entirely a consequence of the shift from local multiplayer to online multiplayer.

>>718590535
This comparison doesn't really hold up since regular TF2 is mostly pretty balanced and people only get up in arms about random crits.
Casual Smash is like playing a Scream Fortress server with boss spawns and forced automatic /rtd enabled and this thread is people being mad that most guys would rather just play on Badwater without all the bullshit.

>>718590960
No one enjoyed playing 4p itemfest free for alls on a timer where 1 user with bad internet made everyone else suffer.
1v1 was the only way the online was bearable. Local multiplayer was still the best.

>>718587309 (OP)
Just make an arena? You're free to make lobbies filled to brim with items and pokeballs and turn off battlefield/fd if you so desire.

>>718587309 (OP)
try finding some friends

>>718591254
With random unknown person you absolutely don't know?

>>718587309 (OP)
Items in smash 4 and especially in ultimate are actually not fun at all. There's way too many different items and they're way too overpowered. A new or casual player is just gonna get blown up by random shit they don't even understand. It's fun for kids because "lol randumb" but even if you're just casually playing at a party, then items are just annoying. Then there's the fucking stage hazards and gimmicks that get in the way all the damn time. It just becomes less about beating your opponent and more about simply surviving the sensory overload that's happening on screen.

why not turn off the "over tuned" items and keep the simpler ones?

>>718593205
Even the simpler ones are powercrept compared to how they were in 64 through brawl
You cant filter out the spawn list of pokeballs and assist trophies and it feels like half of them exist to score a KO.

>>718593205
Because now you and a group of people get to argue about which items are broken or not.