Thread 718596583

Path tracing is a must in vidya now

>>718596583 (OP)
Do any other games besides cp use it?

>>718596583 (OP)
>left : 120 FPS
>right : 23 FPS

stick pathtracing up your ass

>>718596885
Yeah it's the future but certainly not a must now.

>>718596885
PC gaming is a luxury. If you want to act like a peasant, go buy a console.

>>718596583 (OP)
Too bad Cyberpunk still looks like shit. I guess that's the price of third world gaming.

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
poorfags on /v/ aren't gonna like this

>>718596583 (OP)
why not return to prerendered cutscenes?
so people really care if shits rendered in real time more than how it look?

>>718596885
>>718597216
ha poor!!!

>>718597235
>game runs like shit on a 5090, and looks equally like shit, because it's developed by slavs
>apparently anon is so rich that he has a GPU that eclipses that and can get 4k240
I kneel.

>>718597135
>19FPS on the top tier cards
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>718596583 (OP)
Funny that 10-15 years ago we could have games looking like the right side without tech that asked for a 2000$ card

>>718596641
Capitan's haircut is bigger crime against humanity than anything Arasaka did.

>>718597436
I got 23 last time I tested it.

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
lights and textures look fantastic, but skin looks very blury somehow?

>>718597436
i thought 4k was a meme
why aren't you playing at 1440p

>>718596583 (OP)
they really went with the HEAVIEST option just so they didn't have to touch shadows, they just wanted to skip one portion of gamedev so they can cut EVEN MORE costs on production
the fact no one can really run these games at these settings doesn't matter
it runs at 24fps, stuttering, being blurry, with tons of visual clutter and lack of visual clarity, the developers will say that it looks great and runs great

>>718597436

Is this fake? I was getting 80+ on a 5080. There’s no way a 4090 is at 19.5.

>>718597864
1440p still runs like shit without upscaling and frame generation, and then it still runs like shit, just less so. You're not getting a high framerate in the game, but it's made by people who eat borscht.

>>718597957
You're using DLSS and/or have settings turned down. And 80fps at 4k is still unacceptable.

>>718596583 (OP)
cdpr disasterclass

>>718597957
It's native 4 without dlss, aka somethig nobody would ever even attempt.

>>718597347
literally runs at 50 to 60 on a 5090 with dlss4 quality poorfag

Roblox

>>718596583 (OP)
Absolutely. Finally, vidya graphics are exciting again.

>>718598093
50-60 is unacceptable, poorfag. Might as well play on a console if that's your target framerate.

>>718598093
>hes using the fake frames
Holy shit lmao

>>718598031

There is literally no perceptible difference between using DLSS and not using DLSS.

>>718598174
consoles can't even dream of pathtracing retard
>>718598213
thats just the upscaler without framegen

>>718598271
there is, you just have low perception

>>718598213
and? what's the problem? you mad that there aren't actually people inside the TV really acting out the game too?

>>718598213
NTA (I'm this one: >>718598174), but fake frames weren't mentioned. Try not having a 15 year old GPU and learn what things mean.
>>718598271
I agree for the most part, but the point was that chart didn't use it.
>>718598275
They sure can dream of sub-150 framerates, though, and you're enjoying the kosherslop.

games should run at 4k native without DLSS and if they can't then they need to just stop making cards and games until they figure it out (they won't).

>>718598271
except for shimmering in older version and ghosting in newer

>>718596583 (OP)
They both look like shit but at least I can tell what it is I'm looking at on the left.

>>718598532
You don't even have a 1440p monitor...

>>718598532
except native wont save you from taa dithering smear. there isn't eve a point to running cp2077 in native because its taa implementation worse than any upscaler.

>>718598532
But every GPU these days supports DLSS 4 and framegen.

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
I love how good it looks, I hate how bad it runs, I hate having to turn on DLSS just to make these game playable because I notice the artifacts unlike most of you retards.

shut up dark ages dev

>dogshit tech that increases performance requirements up the ass so rajeesh doesn't have to design proper lighting
The overuse of this procedural and tracing tec is a blight that will die just like 3d tv

>>718598368
>kosherslop
You don't have to pretend to like pixelshit if you have money anon

>>718596885
I have about 50 fps with Pathtracing on
>5800X3D
>RTX4070
>1080p

god this game's artstyle is so fucking ugly

>>718596641
Is that Jaromir Jagr?

>>718598820
Show me your dual sinks in your kitchen, Hyman. I eat goyslop, which mixes meat and dairy. This picture angers you.

>>718597957
So you can't see the artifacting around you character and the incredible blurriness in your game? do you know about dlss/dlaa? Are your settings at minimum except for pathtracing?

>>718598818
Its been five year...it won't die because a few poorfags can't have rtx cards.

>>718598830
>1080p

Graphicfags deserve the rope, who cares if it looks real if it runs at 20 FPS and its not fun, also, no gameplay as usual.

>>718598830
>>RTX4070
>>1080p
Why just take the 1440p pill anon

>>718598093
So you are getting 25 fps on a 2000 dollar card and render it at 56% resolution, wow

You should be using DLAA not DLSS. DLAA is native while DLSS is fake AI frames.

>>718598930
It will die because proper artistic talent can create the same if not better results, the only reason this dogshit is used is because manufacturers want to sell you another overpriced card in 3 years

>>718599140
Dlss 4 quality is not noticeable from native at 1080p let alone at 4k... Upgrade you 1650 before saying bullshit like that

>>718598271
Can no one see the artefacting around objects if the background moves? It's like an aura around your gun/character. What about the delay in lighting for pathtracing?

>>718598901
Don't insult my nigga like that. I was a big Lemieux/Jagr and then Jagr/Straka fan.

>>718599263
Raytracing and dlss are Nvidia card's main selling point and they're dominating the market. It's not going to die.

>>718598901
No, it's his favourite player, Jaromir Jagr.

How does it improve gameplay?

>>718599263
Congratulations now your game takes 7 years to make and is outsourced to pagan street shitters... I'd take path tracing over that.

>>718599553
AMD are winning because they are the good guys, sweaty. :3

>>718599591
its outsourced to them either way

>>718599619
How do you know he's sweating?

>>718596885
Path tracing is fully playable at 60fps ln anything like or better than a 4070ti super at 1440p wth dlss qual or bal pick your poison still looks better than native raster

>>718599470
I literally have a 4090 and i9 13th generation. I upgraded after not changing my old PC for 10 years and I wanted to see this glorious 4k gaming. Now I have to upscale fucking 1080p to 4k and still can't hit a 100 fps in anything newer than 2022 games. Doom tda pathtracing gives me 22 frames at 1440p dlaa. It's gay, you are gay and nvidea is gay.

We must retvrn to dx8. Everything past that has been bloat.

>>718597828
copescaling

>>718597740
>average fps with nothing going on in a curated benchmark with no hud

>>718599793
4090 is outdated as fuck. The 5090 has a new raytracing core and a frame gen processor. It performs better without any input lags.

>>718599591
So most AAA games these days? just that you need a 2k card and frame generation

>>718599019
meme resolution, you need to upscale or downscale every movie/tvshow ever

>>718596726
>>718596583 (OP)
That's pretty impressive.

>>718598961
Why would I need more?
I get decent framerates with obscene settings or very low temps in games that don't have obscene settings

>>718598987
I care. I like things that look good.

>>718598818
>that increases performance requirements
Wow, this makes it completely different form every other advancement in graphics. Crazy.

>>718600082
shame about the 4k € pc you need + oled monitor for hdr

>>718598532
>games should run at 4k native without DLSS
You know that that's both very easy to achieve and retarded? They could do that right now, simply by not giving you any of the higher graphic settings. You faggots don't actually want games to run well, you want them to run at "ultra" no matter how they look.

>>718600273
Dont need either of that

>>718600054
How is downscaling from 4k bad

>>718600239
>Advancement
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>718600273
Yeah, the bleeding edge is the bleeding edge after all. If I had a memory and basic pattern recognition skills, I would maybe be able to predict that what is the bleeding edge today will be the standard tomorrow.
>meme monitor
Let's not get ahead of yourself.

>>718599939
Wouldn't you like actual frames and native resolution? Do you enjoy the pc equivalent of smoth motion? Do you enjoy paying more and getting less? The only upgrade i can make is the 5090 and in actual performance i get literally no improvement except that the first batman arkam asylum and mirrors edge dont have PhysX anymore.

>>718600345
You waste more space on bigger files

>>718596583 (OP)
>we need a cyberpunk character design
>just draw some lines across their face
Why is this setting so shit bros

>>718600312
>you want them to run at "ultra" no matter how they look
Which is exactly what you do when you fake your frames and make everything look like a blurry mess.

>>718600412
if you dont own an oled in 2025 it just means you're poor
theres no tech reason to select lcd, only poverty

>>718600440
DLSS looks sharper than native. Natives are blurry shite because AA technology hasn't advanced for a decade. While dlss keep improving. Know your tech and stop spouting bu ch of buzzwords.

Damn can't believe shadows didn't exist before path tracing

this PC classism is getting out of hand desu

it also doesn't feel very genuine.

>>718600614
thank you for your service sir, unlike these people who definitely have 5090s you posted something

>>718596583 (OP)
left looks better

>>718600479
Hard drives are cheap you know

>>718600851
Why no buy a 4k monitor then? Why stop at a meme resolution?

>>718600913
are you genuinely schizo?

>>718600614
>I rendered 2.25x the pixels on a previous gen card: >>718597740
>he renders less on current gen and doesn't even get 3x the framerate
>final framerate is still unacceptable

>>718596583 (OP)
i'll take more fps

I played it with my 5080 (with DLSS quality/2x FG) at 1440p, looked and played awesome at around 130 fps. I tried 3x and i got a full locked 180 (refresh rate) too.

>>718600625
Because DLSS is always paired with a sharpening filter

>>718600984
are you genuinely mad? lmao

>>718601058
>4090 owner wants a big dick competition vs a 5090 owner
retard

>>718600913
Vidya at 4k is too expensive

>>718601216
It's more mocking the engine, not your card. I'll be in the same boat soon once I build a Nova Lake machine.
Cyberpunk is shit, looks like shit, and runs like shit. The only redeeming quality is that it's not Asian.

>>718601216
AI-generated inches don't count.

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
Why is the character model's skin dimmed down as if theyre inside a building even though they're outside in the daylight?

>>718601205
Dumb motherfucker sharpening is always set on 0 in default

>>718601350
>t. CIA nigger

>>718601329
which ai are you talking about?

>>718600527
DLSS looks better than native you fucking 970jeet

>>718601523
Speak sense please

>>718601621
When's the 6090 coming out bros...

so what's this thread trying to say, I should purchase a RTX 5080 right now?

>>718601350
In the 1st pic, the face on the right is being dimly lit by a reflected light source (could be the yellow ground, the player, idk) while the sun is shining directly above her head, a bit behind, around her 5 o'clock direction
2nd pic, you can see that the sky is overcast/foggy, essentially creating a fuckhuge light diffusion, hence the smooth lighting from his left and right, the NPC is looking at an unlit area here.
in the 3rd pic, harsh main light source (the sun) is at a rather high angle, thus not allowing much bounced lights from inside the unlit buildings on the right. Could just be the game is limited to 2-3 light bounces, but I could be very wrong here.

>cyberpunk
lol

>>718601914
No. We are not ready for Path Tracing 4k yet. HODL for at least 2 more generations.

>>718602208
sure you can use 1080p - > 4k dlss transformer model and frame gen

>>718602308
I meant native 4k, my bad for not making it clear.

>>718596583 (OP)
No it's only good for tech demos.

>>718602359
and how does that unsaid thing related to buying a 5080

>>718596583 (OP)
>Characters' so ugly you need to hide their face in a shadow that tanks your framerate by 90%
The absolute state of modern vidya...

If only good looking games made by white people had path tracing.

>>718602458
5080 can't do native 4k pathtracing. it can run upscaled 4k, sure.

>>718602553
5090 cant do native 4k either. Hell, even RTX pro 6000 cant

Songbird...

>>718598093
>50-60 fps on a 2.3k USD GPU
>unironically thinks this is a good thing

>>718596583 (OP)
The skin textures still look like dogshit.
FUCK modern gayming

>>718603014
>Songbird...

>>718600614
>Custom preset
You didn't beat the benchmark.

>>718596583 (OP)
they didn't even try. they put exactly zero effort into cinematic lighting because they are incompetent and jewidia pays them to test new features in CP2077

>>718603132
It's not a "modern gaming" thing as the game is made in the third world. They literally shit in the street in Poland.

>>718596583 (OP)
how much did nvidia pay them to make shadows look like shit you think?

Sorry, not compromising my entire system by switching out my 4090 for a 5090 for barely any gains.
I was offered one at MSRP by Nvidia themselves and I refused.
If the 6090 doesn't at least match this uplift from the 4090, it's fucking over.

>>718603615
>6950 XT showing you don't need more

>>718598532
>games should run at 4k native
At current screen sizes there is absolutely no need to chase after native 4k. The visual difference between 4k and something like 1720p is very hard to see around the 30 inch monitor range, you'd need 36+inch monitors to truly make 4k shine above other resolutions.

The best current rendering method (in terms of getting the best image with the least performance loss) is 50% DLSS4/FSR4 at 4k output. You get ~1800p visuals for ~1200p performance which looks flawless up until 36+inch displays.

>>718596583 (OP)
left looks better

>>718596583 (OP)
The vidya I play don't even have raytracing, let alone path tracing.

>>718596583 (OP)
I was expecting path tracing to look a lot better. Those path tracing mine craft mods were really cool and let you experiment with light and materials. cyberpunk's path tracing is really subtle and forgettable.

>>718604392
Who has monitors under 50" in 2025? Africans?

I wonder if the "path traced games have to run at 4k native or its not worth it" actually owns a 5090 or is some loser schizo with 2060

>>718605529
almost always the latter

>>718596726
nice shadow scars
new collar bone implant from pathfinding?

>>718601914
The 5080 is weird, I feel like both the 5070ti and the 5090 are more sensible purchases.

>>718598987
>who cares if it looks real if it runs at 20 FPS
frankly they are lying if they say shit blurring and jittering "looks real"
low fps anything looks like shit.
30fps is for ancient shit or poorfag shit.
60 is an acceptable baseline to strive for at a minimum

>>718605956
5070 ti most of the time is better value but 5080 is also better value than 5090 at msrp

>>718600502
putting aside her status as a high ranking FIA agent that personally accompanies the president of the NUSA and thus the need to NOT look like maelstrom...

you didn't see her back
she is losing parts of her body to rogue AI and needs to keep replacing them with chrome.
the look of her face is one of the few parts of her original self left that she can hold on to.

that said you are still pretty much right, even if Songbird is the worst character to make that argument with.

>>718599263
>It will die because proper artistic talent can create the same if not better results
This is such a hilarious cope. As if there's something more artistic about handplacing lights and clicking BAKE.exe, than handplacing lights and not having to bake them.
Actual graphics artists like raytracing because it's 10x easier to make quick adjustments and see the immediate impact of your changes.

>remove baked lighting
>compare it to rtx
nice try shills, nice try

>>718596583 (OP)
>path tracing
into the trash it goes

>>718603256
turning off DLSS and FG displays custom preset

>>718597965
Does it run 19 fps?

>>718597740
>DLSS Enabled NO
found your problem boss, DLSS was made to run real time ray tracing and path tracing is even heavier

>>718596583 (OP)
Well unfortunately I don't have the money to pay for thousands of dollar subscription services aka planned obsolete PC parts.

I'm sick of hearing about cyberpunk now, it's been 5 years

>>718608025
>didn't follow the thread
>says dumb shit
>>718607658
If it's any less than 150, it's a slideshow.

>Shitty waste of resources gimmick is now mandatory because Graphics designers have become too retarded to know how to design without it
Grim

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
>actually black darkness
Good. I'm tired of the skyrim global illumination.

>>718602050
jesus fuck. it looks so much better with path tracing its not even funny.

>>718600714
Only if the sun isn't up

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
Sounds good. Send me a 5000usd PC that can actually play it looking like that while you're at it.

>>718600714
I feel like I'm going to be accused of being a contrarian for saying I like how the PS3 one looks better. I don't even know why I think that. I'm not trying to act like the PS3 had superior hardware, it didn't. For some reason the PS3 one just looks better to me.

>OOOOOOOOO GRAPHIXXXX OOOOOOOO
Gameplay still sucks. No police chases and there is nothing to do in the game.

something something marketing, do not care still playing dodonpachi daifukkatsu

>Considering upgrading my PC
>Currently on a 1080Ti and not upgraded in like 8 years.
>Okay, so if I buy a 5080 what can I play?
>Uhhh... God of Onions 2? Last of Us 2? What about Watch Dogs Legion?

Where the fuck are all the games worth playing? It's just gonna be fucking playing Cyberpunk again and STALKER at this rate.

>>718610327
I could run cp path tracing >40 fps on 3080, those go for like 350€ these days
5070 ti is prob a great experience for it at 800€

>>718610637
MODS get this pedo out of here plz

>>718596583 (OP)
now show how pathtracing improves properly baked lighting that isn't abusing shaders and alternate textures to bait the viewer into believing it does instead of showing games with notoriously dogshit lighting systems haphazardly slapped together

>>718610909 cunny is no good for Nvidia marketing team?

>>718610979
There is no type of baked lighting that can create good ambient occlusion, create good reflections, and it can never look good in a physics-driven game because baked lighting alone falls apart when the environment or illumination change.
>notoriously dogshit lighting systems haphazardly slapped together
That's funny because you just described traditional lighting methods of the 2000s and 2010s. No real robust lighting system, just a bunch of thin tricks slapped together that can fall apart under scrutiny.

>>718610986
code?

>>718611294
sure bro show me pathtracing on FEAR let's see how it goes

>>718611294
it is ok nvidiot u can stop shilling

If every /v/ post included the posters pc specs what sector of society would suffer?

If you don't have
>at least Ryzen 7500f or equivalent/stronger CPU
>at least RTX3080/RX7900GRE or equivalent/stronger GPU
>at least 32GB RAM
>at least one SSD in your PC
I consider your opinions are too influenced by your outdated hardware situation. Having shit hardware and whining about graphics/optimization is like being a fatass and whining about life being too stressful on your joints. I know this because I went from a shit PC to a solid PC in the last year, and I could see in real time how my opinions changed.

>>718612041
But doesn't that describe the hardware situation that 80% of the PC gaming population is in?

20% of the total PC gaming population isn't much of a customer base.

>>718605924
pretty sure its shadow from hair, its also on left but blurred out

>>718612706
Catering to enthusiasts and future users is what used to create fast progress in both hardware and software. The late 90s and early 2000s were completely ruthless because you could buy a GPU in 1999 and it could be obsolete by 2003, but everything about gaming tech and graphics progressed at a lighting fast rate.
Now we have eternal GPUs and special crutch software gimmicks to extend their lifespan and we have games STILL being made for the Xbox series S, and look where we are - massive stagnation.

>>718612706
It highlights the stupid situation where companies make graphical advancements that millions and millions of people can experience at launch, but the extremely poor folk are uppity about it for some reason.

CP scales well, it runs well on low end pcs and provides path tracing for high end, and the people are basically saying it should only ever pander to low end and never do high end because they cant afford it.

>>718611294
>good ambient occlusion

>>718612041
I keep thinking about upgrading my GPU, but I really can't justify it yet. I just don't play games that demand more.

do You faggots even gayme?

>>718613613
Approximated ambient occlusion like SSAO is very ugly and once you notice it, you can't unnotice it. The only somewhat good version of non raytracted ambient occlusion is GTAO.

>>718613958
post that background pic anon and more

>>718598987
>38tão chan....

>>718596583 (OP)
>make kikewareless version look like shit on purpose
>it still beats kikeware version anyway
Cyberpunk is foul.

>>718597691
doesnt matter, if el captain is wearing that haircut, then by default that haircut is amazing.

>>718598987
>graphicfags deserve the rope
>no no I can't play it , just look at that artifact when I look directly down while spinning the mouse at 300mph

>>718610979
>baked lighting
Oh boy static shit environments with painted on shadows. Fake lighting needs to GTFO of video *games*.

Cyberpunk has no baked lighting. Even without RT it's all dynamic/real-time.

>>718615874
baked lightning is real time
it is rendered as you look at it
fucking mongoloid nigger retard

>>718613958
I know you got more.

>>718598830
>1080p
>50 fps

>>718596726
how come the character model changes quality but the background is still exactly the same?

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
this is completely and totally unrealistic. have the devs never been outside in bright sunlight? do you know what happens when you go outside your goon cave and into the bright bright sunny world? EVERYTHING IS ILLUMINATED! THERE ARE NO GODDAMN SHADOWS OF THIS KIND ANYWHERE!!!!! HALF OF SOME CUNTS FACE ISN'T JUST RANDOMLY OBSCURED IN TOTAL FUCKING DAKNESS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!! GAYTRACING IS A SCAMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>718615625
In other words what suffices in the majority of vidya because the environments ARE static?

>>718615625
By all means, show me how "proper lighting" makes pic related work out. Do explain to me properly how pathtracing would improve it.

>>718596583 (OP)
Cyberpunk is unplayable without pathtracing, i'm a poorfag that has a 5060 ti 16gb and i would rather play with pathtracing even if i'm upscaling from 720p and 50 fps then 90 fps with full raytracing, sure the stupid neon signs look a little bit more blurry but the other option is the monstrousity on the left and not seeing shit in any obscure location because of the light sources dont generate rays

I'm not sure what changed but people used to be a lot more realistic about the fact that they're simply poor.
Like not even acknowledging it.

>>718596583 (OP)
The funny thing with path tracing in cyberpunk is that going from RT completely off to RT psycho is a smaller difference than RT psycho to PT. In a few years every game will have path tracing and we'll wonder how we ever lived without it.

>>718617726
RT Psycho specifically pretty close in a lot of scenes, since it does an extra light bounce. Of course, it still won't ground objects in the world the way PT can.

>>718617968
Maybe in some scenes, but there are plenty of scenes where RT psycho looks like a dog's dickhole next to PT. Especially anything involving NPCs like OPs comparisons.

>>718617041
How do you look at this shitty vertex lighting and not immediately see all of the things wrong with it?

>>718597828
Because real time ray tracing with a sufficient number of rays isn't actually possible on available hardware. They have to reduce the number of rays which results in something that looks like pic related, then they run a denoise filter that smudges everything together and typically an AI upscaler/framegen on top of that.

>>718596583 (OP)
not only does pathtracing reduce your frames to unplayable levels (yes, 60fps is unplayable). it also actually messes with cast lighting. good example is the siren from ncpd vehicles, with path tracing off, the sirens cast their light onto the nearby environment as expected. turn it on and it does fuck all, you get maybe a tiny hint of it here and there, but you can barely see any light being cast from the sirens, even if you drive right next to a wall.
path tracing could be good, but it needs a lot more work. and it needs to be playable at 144fps minimum without scaling and frame generation. for now, it's just another stupid gimick that does more damage than it's worth.

>>718618282
0/10, see me after class

>>718616297
you mean like this?

>>718618765
holy cope

>>718598093
>barely hits 60 fps with fake frames using the most powerful commercially available GPU
how is this a good thing?

>>718619096
>barely hits 60fps with fake frames
you mean 200fps?

>>718596583 (OP)
>>718596641
>>718596726
couldn't this just be accomplished by not being incompetent developers o algo

>>718619969
you literally just said it hits 50 to 60 only

>>718620424
not that anon but thats without fake frames, with fake frames it hits 200

>>718618915
obviously, yes. in daytime where the sun is blazing down on ya, there aren't gonna be any fucking shadows that obscures half of a dude's face anywhere, it's utterly goddamn ludicrous and the fuckface devs just do it cuz "ermagerd them shadows n details lolll" and i fucking hate it. it's stupid so fuck it.

>>718620265
No dynamic lighting and real time rendering is the reason thats possible, but poor people are too stupid to understand

>>718596885
works fine on my 5090

>>718620570
well i'm going with what that anon said

>>718621050
Me too he said DLSS not frame gen, DLSS is an upscaling technology and it does not add fake frames, you stupid jeet

>>718596583 (OP)
back in my day, they just made characters that looked good instead of relying on a fix things filter

>>718621163
it's still fake as shit

>>718622215
The alternative in 95% of modern games is TAA, which is always worse than DLSS if you're reunning 1440p or higher res. At 1080p it's a toss up, depends on TAA implementation (but even then you can use DLDSR for a better effect at the cost of performance).

>>718622745
TAA is just a post processing effect that smooths out jagged edges, not similar at all

>>718601350
>>718616297
>>718620626

>>718623468
lol fuck off, that's photography and shit, you would have been able to see him perfectly clearly with your own eyeballs. everyone know that those photo sensors all suck ass and can't match the human eye for shit.

>>718618628
>Because real time ray tracing with a sufficient number of rays isn't actually possible on available hardware
it's not possible period
any pathtracing creates noise because it's not really noise, it's just the contrast of the pixels which have the light bouncing calculation done and the ones that don't, just open blender and render a scene in cycles, doesn't matter how many samples you use and spend hours rendering, you will always get noise
denoising is a necessity, but if you have enough power you only have to do a little

>>718623709
I for one think harsh, contrasting shadows are sick

>>718623709
I accept your concession