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Anonymous No.718599509 >>718599834 >>718599859 >>718599894 >>718600081 >>718600210 >>718602362 >>718602494 >>718603280 >>718603331 >>718603512 >>718604225 >>718606356 >>718606401 >>718606542 >>718606804 >>718607614 >>718608257 >>718608516 >>718608932 >>718614921 >>718615670 >>718616805 >>718618260 >>718626185 >>718626331
Why do so many people say an open-world Zelda NEEDED to happen? Like a fish needs water or a car needs gasoline?
Anonymous No.718599834
>>718599509 (OP)
open worlds were supposed to be the apex of world design
but it can't make up for talentless devs
Anonymous No.718599859
>>718599509 (OP)
It didn't need to happen, but it was going to happen. Hopefully now that they have done it and got it out of their system, they can go back to comfy dungeons instead of open world slop.
Anonymous No.718599894
>>718599509 (OP)
No one said it needed to happen. Faggot OP
Anonymous No.718600081
>>718599509 (OP)
it was destined to happen, literally the first thing you do in the first zelda is being in an open field and you have to choose a path and go back and forth, obviously the end result of better hardware and bigger budget would be a open world game
Anonymous No.718600210 >>718600975 >>718601430
>>718599509 (OP)
>Like a fish needs water
You mean like a lungfish?
>a car needs gasoline
You mean like an EV?
Dumbass wigga
Anonymous No.718600975 >>718601647
>>718600210
>lungfish don't need water
Anonymous No.718601430 >>718601647
>>718600210
Where does electricity come from
Anonymous No.718601647 >>718602018
>>718600975
Das rite nigga.
>>718601430
The sun.
Anonymous No.718602018 >>718602487
>>718601647
All vertebrates require water to survive
Anonymous No.718602362 >>718603427 >>718606356
>>718599509 (OP)
gee idk OP, maybe because the series started out with a game code named ADVENTURE game, and for two decades after that they prioritized cinematic flair and lock-key design
Anonymous No.718602487 >>718602537
>>718602018
Define "survive"
Anonymous No.718602494
>>718599509 (OP)
Art needs to be fragmentary.
Anonymous No.718602537 >>718602620
>>718602487
Not die
Anonymous No.718602620 >>718602834
>>718602537
Lungfish don't need water to not die.
Anonymous No.718602834 >>718602972
>>718602620
>the animal made of water doesn't need water bro
Anonymous No.718602972 >>718603198
>>718602834
That's correct. Glad to see you're only mostly retarded.
Anonymous No.718603198 >>718603453
>>718602972
im not the one claiming aquatic species don't need water. you lost from the jump
Anonymous No.718603280
>>718599509 (OP)
They're zoomers with the attention span of a fish.
Anonymous No.718603331
>>718599509 (OP)
We always wanted a interconnected hub world design like OOT and Dark Souls that allowed the game to be completed in any order
Anonymous No.718603427 >>718604043
>>718602362
Adventure doesn't mean wandering around an empty world. Zelda was always an adventure whether it was top down, side scrolling, 3d, linear, or open world.
Anonymous No.718603453 >>718603816
>>718603198
Wouldn't the claim have to be disproven first? The African lungfish is able to survive without water, based on your own definition of the word "survive". Actually, human beings are able to survive without water, based on your definition of the word.
Anonymous No.718603512 >>718603809
>>718599509 (OP)
Retards for some reason think a game being a giant sandbox without any coherent vision is good
Anonymous No.718603809 >>718604581 >>718605494
>>718603512
It's because Nuzelda was created for people who get home from work and "play games" as an alternative to watching Netflix that night. They log in, wander and maybe glide around aimlessly for a bit, slash at some enemies, and then go to sleep so they can make money for Mr. Goldstein the next day.
Anonymous No.718603816 >>718604415
>>718603453
a lungfish can survive OUTSIDE a body of water. so can amphibians. a lungfish cannot survive without water
Anonymous No.718604043 >>718606356 >>718608078
>>718603427
You say this shit when the world is packed with content, you are a tool.
Anonymous No.718604225 >>718608175
>>718599509 (OP)
I can't tell if this is bait or not
Zelda has been open world since the first game
Anonymous No.718604415 >>718604880 >>718611679
>>718603816
Ah, now you're changing the structure of your argument, also known as moving the goalposts.
>a lungfish cannot survive without water
A lungfish can survive for up to 4 years outside of a body of water, or without any exposure to water altogether. For your original argument, "fish cannot survive without water" to be true, you would have needed to specify the duration of survival (e.g. "forever", "indefinitely", etc.), something that necessitates a developed frontal lobe.
Unless you're arguing that a fish cannot survive if its cells were never exposed to water in the first place, which is a red herring (pun not intended).
Anonymous No.718604581 >>718604736 >>718606356
>>718603809
So the older games were made for unemployed people? What does your retarded statement even mean
Anonymous No.718604736 >>718605719
>>718604581
I know it's hard for a rampant normalfag to understand so I won't try to hurt your head. Now chop chop, back to it wagie.
Anonymous No.718604880 >>718605074
>>718604415
back to the drawing board lad
Anonymous No.718605074 >>718605275
>>718604880
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.718605275 >>718605410
>>718605074
>is getting btfo
>declares victory
Anonymous No.718605410 >>718605502
>>718605275
I almost pity you.
Anonymous No.718605494
>>718603809
Zelda is for people who think D&D and TES are too complex
Anonymous No.718605502 >>718605581
>>718605410
based reddit atheist sweatlord
Anonymous No.718605581 >>718605759
>>718605502
skidibidi livvy got the rizzy type beat
Anonymous No.718605719 >>718605931
>>718604736
Ok brownoid
Anonymous No.718605759 >>718605931
>>718605581
livvy is finer than frog hair you homosexual
Anonymous No.718605931 >>718606132
>>718605719
Hurry up, you need to pay more taxes so I can get a new GPU at no cost to me. Chop chop, the wagie don't stop!
>>718605759
>baby gronk be like:
Anonymous No.718606132 >>718606328 >>718606428
>>718605931
Unfortunately I don't live in your third world country
Anonymous No.718606328
>>718606132
>third world countries
>social safety nets
in the third world you work, inherit money, do favors, or die
Anonymous No.718606356 >>718607426 >>718607723 >>718608023 >>718616136
>>718599509 (OP)
The Zelda team is no longer capable of making a focused Zelda adhering to the Zelda formula due to compounding stereotypical Japanese work culture issues as well as global trends regarding videogame development.
Skyward Sword has more in common with Breath of the Wild than it does with the other Zelda games and vice versa, and Skyward Sword is the game that convinced a lot of people that the Zelda formula (that it barely makes use of) doesn't work.
Zelda games (and a lot of modern development) can only work with very long dev times and loose frameworks to account for bad management.
>>718602362
This is the seamless blending of ludotography with kinematography. It sounds stupid because you're reading a translation of someone trying to define language for developing a new medium as they're developing it.
It's far removed from modern movie games where the player is expected to control the camera stick at all times and consequently can't actually play the game.
>A range of possibilities that don't exist in movies
READ, NIGGA READ!
>>718604043
But not adventurous content, just homogeneously spread out slop.
>>718604581
It was made for people with object permanence, who aren't overwhelmed when they open the door out of the shitter and remember that there's a whole world out there. People who can remember more than 10 minute chunks of cahntent.
Anonymous No.718606401 >>718606539
>>718599509 (OP)
Because it's better than have rooms with loading hallways. Don't know why they changed practically everything else though.
Anonymous No.718606428 >>718606907
>>718606132
Keep the brave face on anon, I know it's hard to be funding my entire lifestyle. Oh well, at least you have Netflix and Nuzelda shit.
Anonymous No.718606539
>>718606401
*having
Anonymous No.718606542 >>718606907
>>718599509 (OP)
Nintendo somehow couldn't figure out how to replicate a formula that they already did in 1998. So they do something else instead.
Anonymous No.718606804 >>718606907 >>718607678
>>718599509 (OP)
Aonuma couldn't make a Zelda game to save his life, conveniently only after he became the sole guy in charge of the series.
It didn't need to happen, but it was inevitable that Nintendo fans would rather blame the games instead of the higher-ups making them.
Anonymous No.718606907 >>718607537
>>718606804
>>718606542
>>718606428

You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718607426 >>718607537
>>718606356
what a waste of time typing up that shit
Anonymous No.718607537 >>718607629 >>718607678 >>718607865
>>718606907
>>718607426
Don't you xirs have some diapers you could be soiling?
Anonymous No.718607614
>>718599509 (OP)
they were obviously trying to do something like that for a while but were limited by the hardware the games run on, if you're not completely retarded it's blatant that the wind waker especially was their own early take on open world and if you remember the very first twilight princess trailer the game also looked far more open than what it ended up being
Anonymous No.718607629 >>718607921
>>718607537
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718607678 >>718607921
>>718607537
meant for >>718606804
Anonymous No.718607723 >>718608173
>>718606356
>It was made for people with object permanence
>People who can remember more than 10 minute chunks of cahntent.
So people with mental traits required for exploring a huge world?
Anonymous No.718607739 >>718607865
I liked BotW. It wasn't perfect but a fun game. IMO it is like the Dark Souls 2 of Zelda games, wherein it is a decent game on its own merit but falls short within the Zelda series.

OOT, MM, and WW are all better zelda games.
And since I'm bringing up Dark Souls 2, that game is a better Zelda game than BotW and its not even part of the Zelda series.

to be honest, Dark Souls 2 is the closest we'll get to modern Zelda and I don't give a shit if you retards disagree.
Anonymous No.718607865 >>718607914
>>718607739
see >>718607537
Anonymous No.718607914
>>718607865
I dont wear diapers, I shit on the floor like a man.
Anonymous No.718607921 >>718607976 >>718608023 >>718610286
>>718607629
>>718607678
How's the weather in Mumbai?
Anonymous No.718607976
>>718607921
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718608023 >>718610647
>>718607921
meant for >>718606356
Anonymous No.718608078 >>718612730
>>718604043
All open world games are just swaths of empty space. BotW is no exception.
Anonymous No.718608173 >>718608215
>>718607723
The game has a minimap, player history, markers and pause screen fast travel.
You will not find yourself in need of object permanence.
Anonymous No.718608175 >>718608215
>>718604225
>this retarded shit again
No it wasn't. It had some non-linear aspects but it wasn't an open world.
Anonymous No.718608215
>>718608175
>>718608173
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718608257 >>718608480
>>718599509 (OP)
Because someone needed to teach all the open world slop (Ubisoft, Sony) how to do it right.
Anonymous No.718608480 >>718608629 >>718608645
>>718608257
>teach ubishit how to do it right
>copies ubishit's homework 1:1
???
Anonymous No.718608516 >>718608626 >>718609106
>>718599509 (OP)
You people bitch and moan, but none of you bought Skyward Sword. You are fake fans that abandoned the series years ago. Real fans that have played every game in the series like the new games.
Anonymous No.718608626
>>718608516
I wasn't supporting motion control faggotry no matter what.
Anonymous No.718608629
>>718608480
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718608645
>>718608480
>can't tell the difference between ubishit and an actually good open world game
low IQ
>muh towers
like I said, low IQ
Anonymous No.718608747
I straight up don't get the OoT hype. Didn't get it in 98, didn't get it in 2011, didn't get it in 2023. It's a fine game but the idea that every zelda game needs to be like it is ridiculous and the series itself proved it
Anonymous No.718608932 >>718609271
>>718599509 (OP)
2bh, once the technology supported it, all games should have been open world. Things like linear corridors or turn based combat were products of tech limitations, and I'm happy to see them go.
Anonymous No.718609106 >>718609257 >>718609298 >>718610039
>>718608516
>if you were a real fan you would support [the worst game in the franchise]
Anonymous No.718609257 >>718609854 >>718623496
>>718609106
>claims to love the old formula, but didn't support the last game that had it
Anonymous No.718609271
>>718608932
Thankfully those pesky turn based combat games are gone now that we have sufficient technology.
Anonymous No.718609298 >>718609396 >>718609415
>>718609106
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718609396 >>718609757
>>718609298
Eric might rape you if you keep talking that way, honey
Anonymous No.718609415 >>718609757
>>718609298
what does this even mean
Anonymous No.718609757
>>718609415
>>718609396
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718609854 >>718610039
>>718609257
>i'm trans :3
Figures.
Anonymous No.718610039 >>718610110
>>718609854
Meant for >>718609106
Anonymous No.718610110 >>718610286
>>718610039
>n-nooo i'm not ready to come out of the closet!!
Yep, only an SSfag could be this passionate about rimming corporate ass.
Anonymous No.718610286 >>718610647
>>718610110
>n-nooo i'm not ready to come out of the closet!!
meant for >>718607921
Anonymous No.718610647 >>718610737
>>718610286
My bad, meant for >>718608023
Anonymous No.718610737 >>718610941
>>718610647
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718610941 >>718611164
>>718610737
>You lost
Anonymous No.718611164
>>718610941
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric.

Kamala is definitely a steamtranny
Anonymous No.718611679 >>718611796
>>718604415
>A lungfish can survive for up to 4 years outside of a body of water, or without any exposure to water altogether.
>4 years
>which is significantly shorter than its lifespan
Oh so it still needs water bud? In addition to being primarily composed of water, living in an aquatic environment, and using mucus that is 95% water to preserve water? You sure showed me, bud. Naming an extreme outlier species that still relies on water.
Anonymous No.718611796
>>718611679
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric.
Anonymous No.718612730 >>718613494
>>718608078
oh yeah, and GTA3 wasn't a revolutionary gem
Anonymous No.718613494 >>718613563 >>718613897
>>718612730
gta has that atmosphere generic fantasy settings don't
Anonymous No.718613563
>>718613494
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718613719
>it's another 'zelda thread' that devolves into engagement farming
Mods are omega niggers.
Anonymous No.718613897 >>718614951
>>718613494
>n-no! open worlds suck!
>not like that!
stay in your lane, fag
Anonymous No.718614921
>>718599509 (OP)
Open world is a marketing department invented branding device. What makes games fun is interactivity. "Open World" is meant to sell an experience of an open ended and sandbox style game to explore, but most open worlds are anything but a sandbox. And a sandbox is just a game with a high amount of interactivity and reactivity... so Open World isn't what we should be talking about, we should be talking about Interactivity!

Looking at OOT, we can see some of the best examples of giving players freedom to explore and experiment in a game world... it's a highly interactive game!

What happens if I grab a chicken and jump.. or if I attack one? Do people say different things if I wear a mask? What sorts of stuff can I put in a bottle... what can I do with bottled items? What happens if I slice a sign? On and on, OOT gives the player an ever growing toolbox of items and ways of interacting with the game world and it all pays off with a world that reacts to the player's experimentation in spades! On top of that every area is layered with secrets that are slowly peeled back as the player gets new ocarina songs and items to experiment with. Nothing is wasted space, every inch of the game world has meaning and interactivity (a special benefit of the low poly style, no noise, all gameplay).

So by every measure, OOT is a far more interactive and open game than BotW, because BotW gives the player a big map with lots of places to go... but nothing to do there! There are no real surprises in BotW, you climb, you fight, you horde meaningless loot that is always temporary and the world itself feels dead and non-reactive.

We need to forget the word "Open World" and demand higher levels of interactivity in games.
Anonymous No.718614951 >>718615998
>>718613897
i never said open worlds suck, but it's far from this magic cure for stale game design. certain games work better within sandbox and gta is one of those. that said, 3d gta is pretty linear. you're quite free to explore what's in front of you but there's still a long list of mandatory objectives you have to fulfill to advance the plot. this is what open world used to mean, but now it's been warped to mean fallout 4
Anonymous No.718615670
>>718599509 (OP)
You can't deny it didn't pay off at the bank.
Anonymous No.718615932
Zelda was always open world.
Anonymous No.718615998 >>718616312
>>718614951
it was implied with your they're empty comment, despite that not being the case in actuality
Anonymous No.718616136
>>718606356
>who aren't overwhelmed when they open the door out of the shitter and remember that there's a whole world out there
Is that why there's a companion character in those games who tells you how to open doors.
Anonymous No.718616312 >>718616906 >>718617175
>>718615998
>everyone i'm arguing with is one guy
Anonymous No.718616725
>BOTW is one of the only good open world games ever
>/v/ still shits on it for being open world
you guys are fags I wish shrines weren't the only reward for exploring and finding cool shit though
Anonymous No.718616805 >>718617858
>>718599509 (OP)
>Why do so many people say an open-world Zelda NEEDED to happen?

It was always the vision
Anonymous No.718616906 >>718617184
>>718616312
>I respond to things in guise I am the guy and then slither away when challenged
Anonymous No.718617124 >>718617175 >>718619734
I say it needs to stop. Zelda needs to be semi-linear, with actual themed dungeons. We've had enough of that lazy piano ridden sandbox shit and the ending of TotK (aka the BotW DLC) fucking sucked ass.

I hate BotW-Zelda, I hate this era, I hate Zeldas voice actress, I hate the basically non-existent "soundtrack" of the game. I finished both games and I won't ever touch them again.
Anonymous No.718617175
>>718617124
>>718616312
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718617184 >>718617974
>>718616906
haughty retards are the worst kind of retard
Anonymous No.718617858 >>718617974
>>718616805
i don't get it what do mountains have to do with open worlds
Anonymous No.718617974 >>718618148
>>718617858
>>718617184

You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718618148 >>718618313
>>718617974
who the fuck is eric
Anonymous No.718618260
>>718599509 (OP)
Because Skyrim was the greatest thing ever to half of normie gamers.
Anonymous No.718618313 >>718619258
>>718618148
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718619258 >>718619345
>>718618313
welcome to the filter list then
Anonymous No.718619345
>>718619258
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718619709
kek this is his life
Anonymous No.718619734 >>718619765 >>718621010
>>718617124
Zelda is at it's best where you have a tiny little enclosed area and there's some weird ass door and you can't open it. But then you find some odd trinket like the Necklace of Wind and come back to the door later and it opens up and you go down a ladder into a hidden dungeon and you solve puzzles and fight monsters to find some chest that has an Old Dusty Letter in it, and if you run across the map to some Old Man retired treasure hunter and give him the letter he'll give you his secret sword that slices through shields or something and it's entirely optional / skippable.

You can't do that stuff in an huge open world, there's no way to cleanly gatekeep specific areas, or know that the player will have gone to the village with the Old Man before he goes to the area with the hidden Dusty Old Letter.

Open World structures kill games and ruin the beautiful interconnected web of possibilities old zelda games used to contain.
Anonymous No.718619765
>>718619734
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718621010 >>718621162
>>718619734
for me it's the anachronistic smartphone handwaved by ancient alien tech
Anonymous No.718621162
>>718621010
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718621639 >>718621751 >>718621810
gonna keep this guy busy for a while
Anonymous No.718621751
>>718621639
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718621810 >>718622271
>>718621639
sounds like mods can delete this thread and rangeban you without any disadvantages, then.
Anonymous No.718622170 >>718622262
this isn't r/nintendo, kid
Anonymous No.718622262
>>718622170
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718622271
>>718621810
>mods
>/v/
Anonymous No.718622640 >>718622735 >>718624572
That too. But they started this ancient tech robot shit earlier than I want to admit, machine-like enemies and magical contraptions already existed in OoT. But then they made the fucking guardian robot head in TWW and in Skyward Shit an entire fucking mine was full of fucking robots. The ancient hightech needs to fucking stop.

Go back to sword, shield, magic and ghosts. No more robots.
Anonymous No.718622735
>>718622640
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718623059 >>718623120
What happened in the last few years that lead to this board (or 4chan in general) becoming absolute putrid garbage?
Anonymous No.718623120
>>718623059
third worlders got access to the internet
Anonymous No.718623496 >>718623568 >>718623663
>>718609257
bizarre argument convincing to no one
Anonymous No.718623568
>>718623496
t. not a zelda fan
Anonymous No.718623663
>>718623496
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718624572 >>718624667
>>718622640
No! I need a smartphone in every game i play!
Anonymous No.718624667 >>718625332
>>718624572
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric.
Sametrannying won't save you
Anonymous No.718625332 >>718625469 >>718625493
>>718624667
I almost pity you
Anonymous No.718625469
>>718625332
You are the one who literally made it his life mission to bump this thread.
Anonymous No.718625493
>>718625332
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718626185 >>718626252
>>718599509 (OP)

Because Zelda is the ultimate NPC series that attracts the most non-gamers of every Nintendo franchise.
Anonymous No.718626252
>>718626185
Eric, another bump won't save you.
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric
Anonymous No.718626331 >>718628164
>>718599509 (OP)
Some of us wanted something that sort of feels like the first Zelda (even if both ALttP and OoT are considered the best Zeldas) and open world is a good way to get towards that without being bogged down by bad NES-era sensibilities that feel like crap in a modern game.

I don't necessarily like all the decisions they made with these (weapon durability for instance), but I appreciated the attempt.
Anonymous No.718628164 >>718628249
>>718626331
There's no way half this board played the first Zelda lol. 2D Zelda threads die with like 10 replies while any shitty nuZelda thread bait draws the usual crowd. Yet somehow everyone is an old Zelda fan when it comes to the new games. I'm supposed to believe there's this real collection of 40+ OG Zelda fans who never discuss the old games and never moved on to other series despite supposedly hating the direction of the games for 3 decades?
Anonymous No.718628249
>>718628164
You lost and got raped;;;, Eric