Thread 718628696

>>718628696 (OP)
Children will grow up one day. Caim was simply thinking ahead.

Why do I love Caim so much despite him being a mute psychopath?

Reminder that they're actually just demons pretending to be children. They even have green scales and cackle and go "muhahaha we fooled you!" towards the end. Drakengard really pulls a lot of its famous punches.

>>718628696 (OP)
Do what you will but don't make too minced meat out of them

>>718628696 (OP)
This line gets funnier when you remember that it was the pedophile boy fucker that was saying this.

>>718632385
>Gets bad news
>Immediately gut kicks the nearest person
He's a psychopath and yet completely relatable

>>718632786
I thought they were possessed because the Empire does fucked up things to its soldiers

>>718633963
Y'know according to the lore Leonard never actually touched anyone. He realized what he was and basically exiled himself to live alone in the forest until his parents sent his little brothers to live with him to escape the war. After which he got hot and bothered and left them alone to go jerk off in the woods right before the empire showed up.

>You: [detailed, logical and well-reasoned argument against the murder of enemy soldiers and noncombatants alike]
>Me: I am Caim!

>>718632385
He feels like an extremely raw, rough-cut character. Like, he doesn't seem like he was polished up to be served up to and sold to the masses. He's a bloodthirsty lunatic who revels in murder and bloodshed, he eagerly kills innocents and "innocents" on his way to objectives that usually just relate to his own hatred, and his party is also full of equally questionable """heroes""". It's really rare we have someone who was put out, as a full character, whose genuine greatest act of humanity was to fall in love with a dragon and do what he could to protect her or put her painlessly out of her misery while he took his rage out on everybody else.

I AM CAIM

>>718632385
Why was he deprived of his voice anyways?
Any interviews? I know the lore reason.

>>718635760
Would there be a reason beyond the dragon pact lore reason?
Im a lil confused

>>718635760
I thought it was commentary on silent protags in videogames that usually kill in the thousands.
Caim is set up like a traditional hero with a dragon companion but he's a utter psychopath and only ever incidentally heroic

>>718635760
It's one of the last things connecting him to humanity

>>718635760
>>718636190
I mean usually silent protags are so you self insert or a twist like Bioshock.
Don't feel like depriving him of his voice was necessary.

>>718635974
Thats an acceptable interpretation. Just thought there would be a worth of god situation here.

>>718635760
He loved shouting racial slurs

>>718636190
>>718636394
Everyone who makes a pact loses the thing they value most. For Furiae it was her womb because she was obsessed with children. For Inuart it was his ability to sing, since he was a bard by trade. For Verdelet it was his hair, which seems like nothing at first glance but it's really foreshadowing for what a vain and shallow person he ends up being. Caim loses his voice - he's a prince, he's literally bred to shout orders to command armies, and he loses the one thing that allows him to do so, which forces him to abandon his nobility and head onto the frontlines himself like a common soldier. This is an intentional nod to silent protagonists in gaming as >>718635974 said, Cavia purposefully invented a protagonist who would have a lore friendly reason to be silent throughout the game because Taro wanted to include a commentary on silent protagonists.

>>718635760
my points already sort of been said by other anons, but his voice was the one thing that connected him to other people. his words helped him keep that noble prince facade up, but without them, the mask slips off and he has no way of convincing people that he's anything more than a blood thirsty psycho anymore.

>>718628696 (OP)
He's so fucking cool. Top 5 coolest characters of all time

>>718637897
>For Furiae it was her womb because she was obsessed with children
(that was arioch)

>>718633746
>she wanted to keep her children safe so that's why she ate them
Just like my cat

>>718643343
Sorry, been a while since I played it, you're absolutely right. I got mixed up.

>>718637897
Furiae was a useless dumb bitch

>>718643536
she's not really a big player in the grand scheme of the game, no worries, same with the pedo priest

>>718635365
>he eagerly kills innocents
Caim never killed anyone innocent. The worst he had done was kick an elf that was in his way out of frustration when hearing the grave news about his sister being even more permanently fucked up. I do agree that he's a raw character, but he's nowhere near as edgy and psycho as people make him out to be.

should i play draken's guard?

>>718645593
Drakengard is the Death Grips of videogames. It's solely the refuge of jaded thirty-somethings who want desperately to see something new in their hobby of choice, no matter how shit it is. There are a million other vidya out there that will interest you more. Come back to Drakengard as a last resort when all other avenues of creativity are exhausted.

>>718645906
I love Death Grips.

>>718632385
Because, despite being a child-murdering violence-happy dragon-fucking psychopath, he is also genuinely the most normal and reasonable person in this incredibly dumbfuck mentally ill nightmare dystopia. He is the only character to actually recoil and show concern over something, and it's a pretty reasonable one given it's his sister begging to fuck him.

>>718646080
Me too. I also love Drakengard. Coincidence?

>>718637897
Where is Zero's pact mark

>>718639607
>>718637897
All right I can get behind this.

>>718646896
Zero has no pact, she's an intoner progenitor.

>>718646151
I thought it was leonard and that kid. He's repentant and typically offers the voice of reason, and the kid is just a normal kid who probably should have responsible adult supervision.

>>718646896
She made a mutual agreement with Michael, not a pact. She makes a pact with Mikhail in endings B and E, paying the price of adulthood and reverting to a child. We can only make assumptions on a pact mark since loli Zero is never seen

>>718628696 (OP)
They were literally demons pretending to be children btw
And the Pedophile was actually the most heroic character in the whole fucking game

I like drakengard gameplay

>>718647779
Why?

>>718647816
It's cathartic, also cool dragon.

>>718632385
Caim's lust for murder ultimately comes from seeing the people he cares about be harmed and killed. His murderous rage is both his coping mechanism and his solution to the problem. But despite this, he doesn't get lost in murder, he always continues to put the safety of those he cares about in priority. This is also why Angelus makes such a good companion to him, she reminds him of what he needs to protect, and is also someone Caim comes to want to protect beyond the reason of their shared life. It's the humanity behind Caim's murderous rage that makes him such a compelling protagonist. Also it's really fun to have a protagonist who just unapologetically murders his way through his problems.

I still need to play this
I love ps2 jank and the soundtrack is bangin

>>718647779
I like the soundtrack and how increasingly insane it gets

People say the gameplay is supposed to be bad on purpose, but wouldn't it make more sense for the gameplay to be fun so we can enjoy the killing on the same level Caim does? That way the reprimands and horror actually fits better?

>>718648508
The gameplay wasn't supposed to be bad on purpose, people at Cavia just couldn't make a game that plays well.

>>718648508
I think people tend to overexaggerate how bad the gameplay is. The aerial sections tend to be pretty fun, the ground sections aren't good but they aren't complete dogshit either. There are some truly horrendous PS2 games that put Drakengard to shame.

>>718648646
This and they were literally forced by their publisher to have Dynasty Warriors combat because it was popular. I would say NieR by comparison had much stronger gameplay

>>718628696 (OP)
I went through the entire game without knowing that Leonard was supposed to be a pedophile, what the fuck. The implications didn't even get through my head.