Thread 718651559

Portal question: The answer

>>718651559 (OP)
B doesn't pass the smell test

>>718651559 (OP)
>folding paper analology

I miss her

>>718652170
who? which attention whore egirl is this from?

>>718651559 (OP)
In English, Doc!

>>718653054
???????

>>718653791
Afags claim that anything coming out of a portal isn't actually moving so it has no momentum

>>718651559 (OP)
Reminder

>>718653913
>'jakker
I think that says enough

>>718653054
If you extend that far out of the portal it's a different question than the original, in which the scenario can be described as dropping a room on the cube while it stays on the floor (then tips over because gravity has shifted)

Post the Buster Keaton edit

>>718654064
It's not the same as dropping a room because in the "room drop" scenario, the exit side is moving. In the portal scenario, the exit side is stationary. The cube exiting it has upward momentum since it's traveling upward from a stationary surface. Then it magically stops somehow, according to Afags.

>>718654242
THE CUBE
IS NOT
MOVING
IT HAS NO MOMENTUM
THE MOVING PORTAL DOES NOT TRANSFER THE MOMENTUM OF THE PLATFORM IT IS ON ONTO THE CUBE
THAT IS NOT HOW PORTALS WORK
IT IS A LITERAL MOVING DOOR, THAT'S ALL A PORTAL IS. IT ISN'T FOLLOWING THE MODEL YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO APPLY TO IT NO MATTER HOW MATHEMATICALLY CORRECT YOUR MODEL IS
IT'S A VIDEO GAME WITH SCIFI ELEMENTS

Bfags brutally fucking destroyed

>momentum = mass * velocity
>velocity = differential of position / time

>cube has mass
>when cube comes out from the portal you can observe it's moving (changing position, ie differential of position nonzero)
>but the cube has no momentum

>>718651559 (OP)
Bros hands are shaking harder than mine when I have to do public speaking

>>718660929
He treading new ground here I'd be shaking too

>>718651559 (OP)
Everyone knows this, b fags are just false flagging trolls

>>718651559 (OP)
This is B

Relative speed is the same on both sides of the portal

>>718651559 (OP)
B won, but doesn't this mean the rest of the universe has momentum?

>>718655801
The cube is moving
>at 67,000 mph around the sun
>at 514,000 mph through the galaxy
>at 1.3 million mph relative to the cosmic background radiation
Portals translate that motion from one frame of reference to another. Just like stationary portals can already take a cube from being stationary in one frame of reference to moving.

>>718651559 (OP)
Why isnt it flying up? Frame of reference sisters help!

>>718661328
Cccccccope

>>718661508
Except that the exit portal is in the same planet so you're still wrong. You're adding variables that aren't there.
B are lesser behings.

>>718655801
Movement is relative. From the perspective of the portal, the cube is moving.

>>718661615
You have a weird way of coping, just typing the word
>>718661634
Literally you, though? All I'm saying is, relative speed in = relative speed out. You're adding planets. And what if we measure it relative to something else than the planet it's on? Does that suddenly change what should happen? It's just a measurement, it doesn't change anything.

>>718661634
>>718661508
Btw all of those speeds I mentioned are just arbitrary measurements too - the point here is that "stationary" is a relative term, and the cube is not stationary relative to the portal, nor, therefore, to anything beyond the portal that is stationary relative to the portal. To suggest anything else leads to a logical contradiction and can be dismissed a priori.

If momentum was preserved, the moon portal wouldn't suck out the atmosphere

>>718661790
Portals function as doors combining points in spacetime not teleporters they cant translate momentum because any substantial difference would tear apart the object as it moves through the portal

>>718661790
>elative speed in = relative speed out
Nyet
Incorrect
Lies
Wrong.
It's a door
Cube goes through
Cube is not moving before
Cube is not moving after
This is simple, common sense. Bfags are lesser beings*

>>718661990
It is precisely because they are doors and not teleporters that it is B - if they were teleporters you'd have an argument for A.
Translating momentum is literally what portals do, it's what the games are built around.
And, of course, there is no difference at all, the cube travels along a continuous path through the portal and experiences no forces as long as the portals neither accelerate nor decelerate.
And if they do, and the cube does experience forces acting upon it, so what? If that's what happens it happens.

>>718662129
You are a simpleton.

>>718662179
>You are a simpleton.
And you are delusional
Nobody with any common sense thinks it's B. Bfags have deluded themselves with "math" into believing a retarded scenario. Midwits.

>>718662129
>cube is not moving before
>cube goes through
>cube is not moving after
Do you not see the issue if both the exit and the thing exiting are supposedly stationary? How does it exit?

>>718662292
Because it goes through the door.

>>718662272
You are what's wrong with the world, substituting "common sense" for maths and logic. Your intuition is wrong. The world does not revolve around your gut feeling. Deal with it.

>>718662292
You are extremely retarded anon

>>718662329
Yes it does. Common sense beats you "theory" you insane B schizo.

>>718662179
They conserve object momentum dont translate environmental ie moon vs earth they unify it

>>718654064
>If you extend that far out of the portal it's a different question than the original

No it isn't. That's the point.

>>718662329
Video game logic isnt simulation, its common sense by the devs bc obv its fictional there are no rules

>>718662412
Listen. It's okay to not understand something. You can try to learn. Or if you're cognitively impaired, you can just accept that smarter people than you have worked it out and rest content with that. Getting angry at your own lack of understanding shows a deficiency of character, however.

>>718662431
That's B

>>718662292
Take your phone into your hand and switch the camera on. Now hold it up high and pan down past your head. Notice how your head "moved" up into the frame when you watch the footage even though you know your head never moved?

>>718662642
>That's B
No b fags think you go through portal you get moon momentum. This implies quantization hence the door teleporter distinction

>>718662610
Portal does contain a physics simulation, although it's not sufficient for answering the question. But if you're wondering how the devs resolved it with their "common sense" - the Moon scene is not a simulation but it does depict B.

>>718651559 (OP)
>all that shaking
Please seek an endocrinologist as soon as possible.

>>718662642
I'll instead just keep bullying B nerds until they surrender like the worthless subhumans they are
A is correct, factually, absolutely, and without a doubt. A is righteous.

>>718662723
>you go through portal you get moon momentum
But that is, in fact, literally what is being depicted in that scene.

If Chell had inherited "Earth momentum" instead then the Moon would leave her behind at 2288 mph.

>>718662656
So it's not even real? It's just an illusion?

>>718662731
Already explained how it doesnt

Perhaps portals aren't real.

>>718662764
So this is the final evolution of A, huh? Blind, religious faith?

Anyway I have to leave soon but it will always be B and you, least of all, will never be able to come up with an argument to show otherwise.

>>718662748
>another shitty "example" that isn't at all like the original premise to try and scramble and cope with losing
Gradually, I began to hate them. We need the final solution to the B problem.

>>718662809
Its a door, the first molecule that goes through it are moving at moon v and her ass is moving at earth v. What happens to her? Hint italians love it

>>718662821
The idea that the object is moving? Yes. It is an illusion created by viewing an interaction between linked points in space through the lens of only one of them.

>>718658473
You don't actually know what velocity is, do you?

>>718662884
rustling the jimmies are we?

>>718662836
You mean you showed how you completely misunderstand both what happens in that scene and what B suggests
>>718662905
What happens to her? She goes through the portal. The fact that the portal makes the part of her that's on the Moon travel at Moon speed is precisely what enables her to go through without a problem.

>>718651559 (OP)
Bravo, Nolan.

>>718662656
This is entirely irrelevant schizobabble

I don't understand the question. There wasn't any box or a portal.

>>718662949
Wow you are retarded you didnt even understand the premise or the physics at work at all you just regurgitated your viewpoint

>>718662884
>Afags are also nazis
Shocker! Who'd have thought lazy thinking and mental shortcuts would be visible in more areas of life?

>>718663036
No that's you dearie

I'm sorry, I don't have the time for you right now, just take the L

>>718663040
>Bfags have no sense of humour
Shocker.

>>718662939
>>718663040
>But call them a Bfag, and watch how they recoil! I've been found out!
>>718662872
This isn't faith, it's facts. Factual, observable truth. You've got nothing but your shitty "math". Your dumb theories. It isn't real. You just refuse to accept it.

>>718654064
Kek, at what point does that happen? At a foot in it won't have momentum, but 3 feet? Shit is gonna fly. Fucking absurd.

>>718663040
>nazis
>lazy thinking
>Nietzsche & schop
Negro art thou cereal

>>718651559 (OP)
I dont get it
wheres the pencil???

>>718663087
>cant even engage with the argument
>nuh uh i win sweety i dont have time *runs away*

>>718663186
>more false examples.
Why do you keep going with this falseness?

>>718653889
That is how it would work though is the animation just trying to prove portal bullshit looks silly?

>>718663186
Wat

>>718663274
Bfags are genuinely mind broken lesser beings anon. They look at that animation and their cognitive dissonance shatters their minds, because the logical, simple behavior of the portals doesn't conform to their "theory".

>>718651559 (OP)
But that's paper, not portal

>>718653054
The Box and the Platform its on are not moving. They are existing in the same space when the portal moves through them. The world is standing still for both the box and the platform.
Hope this helps you!

>>718663796
How would you feel if it was a portal?

One portal moving relative to another breaks physics in such a way that all objects have two different but simultaneously valid velocities from every possible reference point.
Both A and B are correct.

>>718651559 (OP)
Why keep arguing when everybody knows it's A at this point?

>>718664059
It's both.

>>718663935
Why cant you guys understand frame of reference

>>718663186
>>718662939
>>718653054
You can tell that A-nons are right and B-TFO-fags are wrong simply based on the fact that A people understand B, but B-fags don't understand A.

>>718664116
I do.
From all frames of reference the cube has two simultaneously valid velocities because of the portals moving relative to themselves.

From the perspective of a random point in the path of the cube's exit it is both sitting stationary on the platform and approaching at the speed of the moving portal.

>>718658473
Velocity is a vector. The translation of the cube in space isn't vectorial, as spacetime is literally displaced around it

again i will post this and again A-fags will seethe.
https://youtu.be/07a3Q4earBI?si=BF4kMkhNz5mEaRN-&t=11

>>718652176
I don't understand what this is supposed to demonstrate
Yeah the platform has momentum
The portal doesn't impart momentum to the cube, the platform does

>>718664526
>The block is being dropped onto a slanted surface with liquid

>>718664256
>>718663935
Poor Cassandra

>>718664526
>>718664295
>ChatGPT and a professional physicist say it's B
as an A believer, i am inclined to kneel

>>718664825
Whatever you say, obvious falseflagging Bfag

>>718664059
The Source Engine merely mimics physical phenomena in a computationally feasible way.
It has only a single frame of reference for all entities and transposes them within it.

Conceptually, however, a portal constitutes a new frame of reference, which might be imagined as the sum totality of the universe translated/rotated in 3D space.
If the entire universe is moving with respect to an object passing through the portal, it will have *relative* momentum in the new frame of reference.

>B-but muh conservation of momentum!
We know portals defy thermodynamics already.
Place one beneath the other and drop an object.
Infinite energy.

>>718655801
I think that’s what the Webm was illustrating. How stupid B looks from certain perspective.

>>718664910
Teleporter brained

>>718664984
kek there it is

>>718664984
Looooooool

>>718664910
>If the entire universe is moving with respect to an object passing through the portal, it will have *relative* momentum in the new frame of reference
Correction: it will have TWO DIFFERENT relative velocities.
The original one and the one imposed by the moving portal

>>718665086
More of an unnecessary clarification.
The momentum of egress is the concern here.

apparently it's B because the angled surface of the platform means the cube changes rotation in real space and that causes force to be applied to it
or some shit, idk

>>718651559 (OP)
Come on doc not all of us graduated from the Harvard school of science academy

>>718665169
>The momentum of egress is the concern here.
And that equation has two simultaneously valid answers, one where the velocity is 0 and one where it is nonzero.
Both A and B are correct because moving a portal relative to itself gives every object in the universe two different but valid velocities from all frames of reference

>>718665254
I think it's mostly because of the liquid spilled on the surface

>>718661549
He's not doing it right

i thought le caek game holes had slight propulsion upon entering and exiting but who cares space is as fake as valve making games with 3 in the title

>>718665302
Both will observe the same result from either side of the portal.
It's not causing some bifurcation of the space-time continuum.

>>718665302
But the portals represent a single point in space

>>718662927
then how did the cube move from point a to point b you fucking neanderthal

>>718664984
And yet A fags still refuse to see the truth

>>718651559 (OP)
One portal has to move while the other remains stationary. That's the entire basis of the problem.

>>718665539
It didn't
Point B moved to Point A

>>718664526
gemini is retarded but cute idiot

>>718665423
>Both will observe the same result from either side of the portal.
Wrong. Zero velocity means zero momentum means B. Nonzero velocity means nonzero momentum means A. Both are valid answers simultaneously. That is the math.
>It's not causing some bifurcation of the space-time continuum.
It quite literally is.
>>718665476
Which is why one moving relative to the other breaks physics so badly

>>718665836
Oh hey Ray

>>718665847
A new retardation has arrived.
Just when I thought I'd seen it all...

>>718665302
Anon, I want you to know that at least one other person here is not irredeemably brain-damaged. You are irrefutably correct.

>>718651865
Portals don't smell

>>718664256
>>718663935
Frames of reference are just arbitrary constructs we use to measure things by. They describe motion, they do not determine it. What's objectively true, however, is that the cube moves relative to the portal.
>But if we measure it in a roundabout way we can also say it doesn't!
When it goes through, there is objectively relative motion, and that's the relevant part. The rest is just measurements and you can make them say everything is or isn't stationary depending on how you look at it.

>>718666269
Samefag

>>718663405
You're looking at literal, actual, visible, tangible, measurable motion and saying "that's not motion!" because your thery suggests it shouldn't be moving.

>>718666713
Congratulations, in a thread dedicated to people pretending to be retarded you've managed to lower the bar while being completely genuine

>>718663142
You realise that any Nietzschean and Schooenhauerian philosophy that made it into nazi ideology is bastardised, twisted, and simplified, thus proving my point?

>>718653889
I mean that is how this would work if portals could actually be moved around, yes.

>>718666843
I'm completely right tho
You're neither right nor sincere

>>718666926
>if portals could actually be moved around, yes.
They can by default simply because they can be placed on a planet that's constantly moving through space.
In Portal 2 they literally get to move in front of your eyes as a part of a puzzle late in the game.

>>718667219
It's fine as long as they don't move relative to each other
>but you put a portal on the mo-
Shut up faggot it's a video game portals aren't real

>>718651559 (OP)

Anyone aware of how kinetic energy must be stored and/or used in the object itself to propel it isn't surprised by this. Literally the mirror reflection question is more of a head scratcher due to how light reflects.

>>718664171
I've never seen an A fag explain why B fags think B is correct

>>718654064
Extend how far out? Would ten meters be enough for the object to gain "real" momentum as it goes out of the portal? Would one meter be enough? One milimeter? One picometer?

Okay A fags, we all know B fags are WRONG WRONG WRONG
Let's move onto other more important topics we're smart enough to ponder: how does the mirror know the egg is behind the paper? It's been psyching me out- is it demons?

>>718667678
When you move to the side the egg is imparted relative momentum which is picked up by the mirror sensors

>>718664059
>A
more like B-tfo

>>718667678
The mirror is seeing the reflection of the egg through the camera and your eye

Mirrors are a lot smarter than we give them credit for

>>718653054
>B fags don't get to have cool floating cube wands

>>718668419
Thanks anon. That's very helpful.

>>718661549
Both sides of the portal are moving in the example given, and with the same velocity. There's no discontinuity of momentum. But when one side doesn't move, or is moving at a different velocity, the discontinuity in space has a discrepancy in momentum. They aren't matched, the numbers don't cancel out and there's a force imparted on the object as a result

>>718668419
How can I see through the demon paper in the way?

Why haven't we gotten an actual physicist to answer this.

>>718669438
Peruse the thread, retard.
>>718664295

>>718651559 (OP)
This implies the exit portal moves too, which it shouldn't.

>>718669501
>streamer
Buy an ad

>>718669501
>actual physicist

>>718667352
>It's fine as long as they don't move relative to each other

this statement doesnt mean anything. youre just typing words acting like you have a clue.

>>718653054
this totally anihilate Afags

>>718669637
>>718669594
He's interviewing Physicist Sean Caroll, retards
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_M._Carroll

>>718669895
It really didn't, it demonstrates what A claims and then incorrectly adds a frowning face

>>718668419
based, Ϫbros won

>>718667170
Anin, why would his momentum change? He doesn't even go through the portal.
Look at this regular scenario from the games:
>Oh it looked like the cube was going right through the portal but when the portal closed it continued to move left!
Until it goes through.

>>718670021
It shows B

>>718663036
You daft motherfucker, what was regurgitated here is literally just what the game shows. You're arguing against the game.

>>718664526
>muh llm muhfuggah

>>718664526
>the absolute state of nBggers

>>718667170
>universal frame of reference
A-tards are something else.

>>718669019
No, no forces are imparted; from the cube's perspective it was moving with the Earth and then the Earth suddenly stops behind it. It only looks like a change in momentum from a particular perspective. In reality, B is entirely continuous motion.

>>718664295
That guy is literally retarded and destiny is a methed out retard who drinks cum.
If theres a guy on the opposite side he sees the box is static so his "point" is completely invalidated. Further consider if it captures the pillar the box is on, does the pillar detach and start flying for no reason?

>>718669895
Not really, it just changes the frame of reference to not consider the portal then throws the portal in there like it shows anything (it doesn't)
If you just had the platform moving up and down on the floor it would perform the same. The cube isn't going through the portal so I don't understand the correlation. The entire point of A is that the portal doesn't impart momentum to the cube

>>718671101
>Further consider if it captures the pillar the box is on, does the pillar detach and start flying for no reason?
Yeah? You're just affirming the consequent with an appeal to incredulity

>>718671182
so explain the physics that causes it to start flying

>>718671117
>If you just had the platform moving up and down on the floor it would perform the same.
Precisely the point
>The cube isn't going through the portal
It already has
>I don't understand
Indeed

>>718669519
theres only "one" portal...its one point in space

I genuinely have no idea which is A and which is B anymore because people keep changing which side is which whenever the image is reposted and every argument presented by either side is retarded bullshit that completely deviates from the original question

>>718671339
The exit velocity is being offset by the portal moving at the same speed of the entrance portal.

>>718671557
what part of my post didnt you understand?

>>718671258
>start
The entirety of the time the blue portal was moving toward the cube, the cube was moving toward the orange portal, from the orange portal's frame of reference.

>>718671258
Portals translate the cube's motion from one frame of reference to another, just like in the games. In fact, it's always B from the portal's point of view. The classic train gif demonstrates this very well. The cube just follows a continuous path, and since no forces act on it, it remains in motion.
If you're asking me how portals do this, you'll have to ask Erik Wolpaw to write you some convincing technobabble.

>>718671335
>it already has
But that isn't shown, how would you know?

>>718671705
that isnt how frame of reference works. An object moving at 5m/s is moving -5m/s from an object B stationary pov but that doesnt mean that from an object C - Z - Universe that object B is moving -5m/s

>>718671738
the question is about the pillar dumbo

>>718671956
That is precisely how frame of reference works. You don't comprehend the subject in question, which is why these threads continue ad infinitum.

>>718671787
Doesn't really matter either way, now, does it? The cube's gonna do that regardless.

>>718672013
What applies to the cube applies to the pillar

>>718672129
>>718671956
Additionally, everything you said after the first sentence is incoherent schizobabble.

>A's whole argument is "its just common sense"
>B's whole argument is plebbit-tier cartoon "muhmentum" and images which show scenarios mostly involving physically injuring their opponent and aren't even based around the original argument
sad but not surprised

The real answer is that the source engine bugs out and spams that collision noise forever

When I take a shit, inside my asshole the shit isn't moving, yet it is when it exits the portal(my asshole), it is. Explain this A fags.

>>718672373
>Heavy things fall quicker
Fuck off Aristotle

>>718672373
>common sense
>just straight up admitting your own ignorance

>>718672617
what if inside ur asshole it was indeed moving

>>718672617
Anon... how do you think it reached your asshole? Simple there are little gremlins in your gut that push it out towards your asshole.

>>718661508
how is it that when you jump, you don't immediately launch into the space?

>>718673392
Because A is wrong and momentum is relative

>>718673732
Thank you for adding yet more schizobabble.

>>718673732
What kinda schizo shit is this lmao
>We can all see the only thing moving is...
Movement is relative, you dope

>>718673950
you guys have not even taken gr11 physics have you

>>718674102
Is that where the Council of Physicists reveals the Universal Reference Point? I was sick that day, sorry

>>718652176
This analogy is on par with “if the Earth is rotating around the Sun, why aren’t we flung off it?” type of thinking.
Portals are holes in 3D reality. When they move, it’s like moving all of reality.

>>718674635
>if the Earth is rotating around the Sun, why aren’t we flung off it?
One of them literally just asked me this lol
They think B implies we should be (because none of them understand it at all)

>>718674365
everyone was sick that day, someone jumped through a doorway and we all hit the ceiling and the whiplash ruined our lunches

>>718671619
I didn't even read it.

>>718674102
>he says while asserting a univeral frame of reference while discussing portals
DK

this kills the b-moonfag

>>718674894
>and the whiplash ruined our lunches
Thirdie spotted.

>>718674936
I am not shocked b-fags can't read

>>718674894
Shit, if only the Council had properly understood B before implementing the laws of physics, but alas, it seems they were all Atards

>>718675046
what does that have to do with brownoids?

>>718674979
No? B corresponds to the scenario on the keft, i.e., what's seen jn the game, love

I feel like OP image literally doesn't even apply to the question since the second "portal" isn't stationary

>>718675158
What, you're gonna pretend you're from a white country that doesn't speak English now?

>>718675158
In first world countries all the seats are firmly secured down with you to prevent youths from throwing them around, you don't get whiplash, barely even feel anything

>>718675280
b fags, or at least some believe that the momentum of the exit portal is translated onto the object entering it based on the moon part of portal 2. Granted it's a fallacious argument resorted because the rest of their attempts fail but it's still wrong because their argument implies quantization or we could say teleporter vs doorway

>>718651559 (OP)
>Anon's hand start shaking violently as he looks at 2 holes in front of him

>>718651559 (OP)
Honestly expected this to be an 'ick thread.

>>718675332
wait do you think lunches should be singular?

>>718651559 (OP)
Works on my machine.

>>718675950
lawl

Ah fuck I got so caught up in arguing with Bfags I forgot to pay my gas bill on time

>>718675674
>or at least some believe that the momentum of the exit portal is translated onto the object
Yes, that's what it shows, in fact.
The hand is moving as fast as the Moon, no faster, no slower, that's why Chell can hold it still.

>>718676072
quick throw an object behind you so the frame of reference reverses

I thought this was an Emio thread for a second.

I liked Emio a lot.

Ah fuck I knocked all the shit off my shelf

>>718676134
and yet the arm should go goodbye as it accelerates as shown in my art. so clearly the portal is unifying two points in spacetime and also unifies their momentum

>>718651559 (OP)
as I try to tell people in these threads

both A and B are wrong and right in different frames of reference, there is no universally true frame of reference where A and B are both correct unless you introduce some kind of time dilation weird energy factor in 'travel' through wormholes, and there is no universal frame of reference where A is always correct or B is always correct.

Portals are a physics paradox that cannot work in reality and unless you come up with some kind of mathematical system on the level of relativity you are not going to solve it.

>>718676380
No, that's your mistake. You are, in fact, adding acceleration *on top of* the momentum of the Moon for entirely no reason. That is more than B suggests.

>>718674979
>this kills the b-moonfag
c-moonchads won

>>718676636
B is always correct, actually, and A never
It is true that you can measure things to make it look like the cube is "moving" or "stationary" but that's all illusion. What natters is that the cube moves relative to the portal as it goes through, and that's always true no matter what you measure.

>>718676659
are you suggesting an object can change momentum without acceleration? it doesnt matter to the scenario just curious the difference in momentum is what causes the arm to sever which would actually be more like spaghettification but with more pasta sauce

>>718676870
>are you suggesting an object can change momentum without acceleration?
Yes, that is precisely what portals do. It's what the games revolve around.
Abd, of course, the difference in momentum is no difference at all when seen through the portal. That's what you should be looking at.

>>718664325
>>718674635

>>718677019
the games revolve around conservation of momentum...is that what you mean? because if you portal loop you do accelerate so I'm not getting your point or something?

>>718662939
>this is what Afags actually believe

>>718662939
shouldnt the b fags piss be going way farther like the cube gaining momentum?

according to scenario A, how does the half that is exiting the portal lose all momentum the instant the last molecule clears the portal?

>>718677204
You accelerate due to gravity, not the portals
That does mean ports actually can add unlimited *potential* energy to objects but just the act of going through a portal does not accelerate you, except from the perspective of an outside observer who sees your momentum change instantaneously

>>718678145
They say it has no momentum. They refuse to look at it from the perspective of the exit portal.

>>718678478
As you refuse to look at it from anything but

>>718678145
the object isnt moving, the hole is...

>>718678626
then how does it leave the portal on the right?
if it was not moving it could never exit

>>718678145
It never had it despite what your limited observation states

>>718652506
Not an egirl, a troon. She killed herself a while ago.

From a theoretical physics standpoint, if portals existed and could move, the most likely outcome is that they would transfer momentum like example B, where the momentum of the object passing through is conserved relative to the portal's frame of reference.

>>718679009
you can measure it right here

>>718679714
I can also measure it from the other side

>>718678987
it's propped against the floor pillar and as soon as ~50% of it is through the portal the new direction of gravity pulls it over and it tumbles into the new room. I dont understand the confusion bfags have here seems obvious

>>718679571
because we need to fuck conservation of energy more?

>>718679798
>as soon as ~50% of it is through the portal
How? It can't leave portal if it's not moving.

>>718651559 (OP)
Honestly the real thing the portal problem tests is your ability to give a sensible answer beyond "I JUST *KNOW* IT WOULD!". If you're an Afag or a Bfag and all you have is that, you're wrong.

>>718679783
and you get two different measurements
until the one at the original location ceases to exist

>>718679940
leave the portal? there is nothing to leave the portal is a combination of two points of space you literally cant look at the portal when you're "inside" it

>>718680056
And the reason for that is the cube is not what's moving
Taking your measurement from the exit side is like a cop using his radar while driving past my parked car to show I was speeding

>>718680195
Yet you imply that the cube somehow "moves" away from those two connected points when you say that 50% of it is "through" the portal.

>>718680294
if you like you can measure them both while you are traveling at the same speed and compare the difference
its not acting as one object while passing through

>>718680294
The exit side is moving then?

>>718680504
i feel like you're pretending to be stupid for some reason

>>718680686
So it doesn't move away from the portal?

>>718680667
Basically, if the portal is on a moving surface then yeah everything on the other side is effectively moving with it until it has enveloped the stationary cube

I am conflicted.

Imagine you have a room with two portals side by side. You're running to enter blue, and you will come out of orange. When you are walking toward blue, you see everything that the orange portal sees moving towards you - you are moving in relation to the space the orange portal presents, in relation to itself (even if you're technically moving away from it from the blue portal's point of view).

That's the issue here. If you go through the portal, what forces do you experience? There is relational movement on both sides. You are both approaching the far wall opposite to the portals and retreating from that same wall at the exact same speed. This is one universe, so when you enter the portal you are now in a situation where you have the exact same forces going into the portal as you have going out of it, right?

This means that you couldn't enter same-facing portals at all, right?

>>718680790
Do we feel the sudden stop?

To this day I have yet to see any Afag respond to the ice cube on a train multi-picture pro-B infographic with anything other than an embarrassingly coping "tl;dr". They can't refute it. The bunny poke from the car also reveals A to be obviously wrong but no one takes that image seriously enough to bother trying to argue against it because of its farcical appearance.

>Da oonivers
That's fucking dutch isn't it.

>>718679916
It is already fucked when portals exist. The only solution is that the energy cost of portals somehow makes up for it.

>>718680826
You don't experience any notable forces because the entrance and exit are not moving relative to one another. If were blue moving rapidly towards you, you'd probably fall forward and break some bones. If blue were moving rapidly away from you, you'd probably trip and fall backwards the minute you stepped through it. In a scenario with an entrance and exit which do not move relative to one another, it actually is just a doorway.

>>718680843
I doubt it

>>718681275
That can't be right with B framing, because there is movement both ways. The object (you) is moving and leaving the same wall at the exact same speed at the threshold of the portal. You can't go in.

>>718680986
no, that would be kankeruniversum

>>718681652
Why?

>>718682081
At what scale do you generally become able to feel changes in the movement of the universe?

as an outsider I'm yet to witness a Bfag making a cohesive sentence and a logical argument that doesn't involve ad-hominems or ridiculing the opponent in some way when presenting their point
the object is stationary and has no moment when passing through the portal, why would it get momentum when exiting the portal if it's not being actively pushed inside it

>>718681275
>the portal influences your speed
Exactly the point of A, it doesn't. It influences your velocity, not your speed

If you are walking left and walk through the portal and it makes you walk right it changes your velocity but not the m/s speed you walk. That's why we use the hula hoop analogy

>>718680943
>ice cube on a train
The what now?

>>718682630
You can look and see it move with your eyes

Afags are correct because the question is strictly about what would happen IN THE GAME, not real life. Portals in the game function as doors, simple as that.
>BUT MUH MOON PROVES B!
The moon scene doesn't prove shit and doesn't even remotely model real life. Neither the Earth nor the moon are even fucking moving in the game. The game is a vague approximation of an extremely simplified physical model because all of the complexities of real world physics would make the game much harder to not only program but to play.

We're talking about fake portals in the game called Portals, not real life wormholes. Portals in the game called Portal do not follow the same real world physics of theoretical wormholes. Real world physics might be how we get the answer of B but that's not what the Portal Problem is about. It is about the titular portals in the fucking game as the game models them. Bfags want to feel so much smarter than somebody else but they constantly miss that detail and try to apply mathematics that don't fucking exist in the game we're fucking talking about.

>>718682309
Like a the speed of a slowly spinning office chair.

>>718682898
>in-engine faggotry
>gets basic facts about the game wrong
Sorry, in the actual game the cube wouldn't go through the portal at all. It's not a door.

>>718682869
I can never find it any time I try to Google it despite it constantly being posted in these threads. Sometimes I wonder if I'm going insane and dreaming about images which no one has actually created but I can't create them myself because I can't draw. The fucking ice cube, the train in motion, the doubling of the ice cube's momentum as it's slid across the table towards the back of a moving train. The infographics probably exist and are the most succinct explanation of B I've read.

>>718683504
Yeah... doesn't ring a bell sadly.

>>718651559 (OP)
The portals aren't moving relative to each other. Your argument is invalid.

>>718655801
so then any time a vehicle moves through a portal the speed goes to 0?
so any aircraft would immediately crash? any creature inside the vehicle would immediately be subject to high G as the vehicle stops moving?

>>718683820
Justify reaching this conclusion

>>718683820
H-how stupid are to come up with this?

>>718665587
that gif demonstrates how wrong B is dumbass

>>718667523
As an A fag, B is under the assumption the velocity of the moving portal transfers to the cube. That if the portal falls at 50 mph, the cube will travel through at 50 mph, and thus will fly out of the stationary portal. However, from the perspective of the cube, it would suddenly go from at rest to in motion out of nowhere.
Here's a question for B fags. If the portal stopped midway through the cube, would the cube have enough velocity to pull itself the rest of the way?

>>718683906
momentum = velocity x mass

velocity = mass/momentum
if no momentum is transferred then you're dividing by zero, and velocity goes to 0.
am i missing something?

>>718684050
>However, from the perspective of the cube, it would suddenly go from at rest to in motion out of nowhere
The cube is always stationary from its own perspective. Always. Even with no portals involved.

>>718684207
**momentum/mass mistake**
still similar problem because you;re dividing something by 0

>>718684207
Yes. Yes you are.
How is the portal not affecting momentum doing anything to vehicles which already have momentum?

>>718684050
>As an A fag, B is under the assumption the velocity of the moving portal transfers to the cube
But why.
You've only just explained vaguely what B's scenario ends up as.
"They think the sky is blue because they see the sky as the color blue"
>Here's a question for B fags. If the portal stopped midway through the cube, would the cube have enough velocity to pull itself the rest of the way?
Inertia of the cube that is outside the other end of the portal pulls the original half up

>>718684474
maybe im misunderstanding what dude said then. is he saying no momentum is transferred or that there is no momentum?

>>718651559 (OP)
Is this Interstellar

>>718684207
The cube has momentum relative to the entrance portal. That momentum is transferred to the exit portal.

>>718684585
No momentum is transferred
An object can carry momentum through a portal without losing it and an object with no momentum will not simply gain it from nothing

>B fag's still changing the problem to suit their solution

lmAo

>>718684795
ok that makes more sense. i retract my argument.

A logical virgin vs B playful chad
As an aspirational B fag because they don’t get defensive they just want things to be fun, the analysis shows A is way more likely.
The scenario can only control how rapidly the the object appears coming out of the portal collapsing on top of it.

>>718667219
>They can by default simply because they can be placed on a planet that's constantly moving through space.
Not in the game. Gameplay is cannon, and if you look at the code, you will see that earth doesn't have any speed attributed to it, meaning that it doesn't move.

>not a single image of giant dicks pushing through portals
Boring thread

>>718651559 (OP)
so you’re saying the rock comes back possession by a demonic entity from hell?

>>718651989
>>folding paper analology
The whole wormhole portal theory is all about bending space.
It is quite literally bending the space like paper.

hello im a theoretical physicist and its actually B
the portal imparts its momentum on the cube asi it travels through the portal and your mother will die in her sleep tonight
that is why the game doesnt have any moving portals cause it would simply be too dangerous
A fags are all just trolling you shouldnt listen to them

>>718685225
My Mama's dead you little twerp

>>718684927
>I'm acting like a retard because it's fun
just when I thought you Bfags couldn't get any dumber then you go and say shit like this

>>718661634
>in the planet
ESLs should not participate in this discussion because prepositions are extremely important when describing references frames. The portal is on (the surface of) the planet, not in the planet

>>718684207
Momentum=velocity x mass
Momentum/mass = velocity
THOUGH
so you aren't dividing by 0 at all
Not particularly relevent though because the portals don't follow real physics

Afags have never studied basic physics. They think objects have inherent momentum and velocity because their understanding of the universe is based on videogames.

>>718682630
>if it's not being actively pushed inside it
But it IS being pushed, by the moving pillar.

A: portals can't change the speed of an object passing through them
B: relative velocity in = relative velocity out

>>718688438
Wrong.

>>718688438
>portals can't change the speed of an object passing through them
That's not what A says.
The act of moving a portal doesn't impart momentum on the object passing through it.

>>718688730
So you agree with A on that train pic then. The portal can't impart the momentum to slow down the man.

>>718672373
>The acceleration of gravity depends on weight
hahahahahahahahahaha A-fags everyone.

>>718678558
>Don't cross a portal
>Nothing happens to you
>Cross a portal
>Start looking at the new perspective

It's almost as if B-chads only apply the new perspective on things that are crossing a portal, and A-tards keep moving the goalpost

>>718684050
>it would suddenly go from at rest to in motion out of nowhere.
Yes, it would, and it would also experience no acceleration when doing so. That's what makes portals magical.

>>718684050
>If the portal stopped midway through the cube, would the cube have enough velocity to pull itself the rest of the way?
Depends on the amount engulfed, the speed of the portal, and the density of the cube. Most likely, yes.
The question that will bamboozle you is; why do inter-atomic forces (keeping the atoms of the cube together) travel through the portal; but other forces don't?

>>718689736
>only apply the new perspective
That's the issue dipshit, you ignore factors that still apply because from one position it looks like something is moving

>>718690150
it looks like something is moving because it is moving

>>718689306
>The portal can't impart the momentum to slow down the man.
A-are you retarded? I'm genuinely asking here.

>>718689306
>walk through at 5km/h
>can only exit at 5km/h if the portal holds you back for some reason

>>718690384
>>718690672
He's clearly at 105km/h
How does the portal slow him down?

>>718690746
Why does he gain the train's speed but nothing else's?

>>718690826
How should you measure his speed then?

>>718690746
And the portal is moving away from him at a 100 km/h. He only moves with 5 km/h towards the portal.

>>718690915
So only his velocity relative to the portal matters?

>>718690985
When he's passing through a portal? Yeah.
If the portal wasn't also on the train and he had to jump through it while the train passed then he would fly out like A. He would not walk up to a portal at 5k's and suddenly shoot out at 21x that speed without the amazing braking power of the portal

>>718690915
based A-tard of cognitive dissonance

.

>>718691880
How can you be so obtuse?
Is it intentional?

>>718693095
He's the real deal.

>>718682898
b fags are wrong regardless it doesn't matter. anyway it's pretty funny seeing them misunderstand frame of reference constantly

>>718684207
dividing by zero doesnt equal zero it's "undefined" and expressible as a limit approaching infinity, unless 0/0 in which case undefined or 1 if youre gay

>>718687961
if the car moving forward is causing the cube to enter the portal in then the cube will get stuck halfway through the portal when the force equalizes

>>718679798
if its genuine, its a type of autism. the way we currently measure movement doesn't need to account for the ability to fold a frame of reference in half, much less slide it around according to a whim. b-tism basically states opening two portals causes the distance between objects to change, and therefore that distances should continue changing at the same rate.

>>718688438
if his leg comes out of the portal at 105kph and his ass is moving 5 kph, his leg comes off

>>718694402
it reminds me of coin flip soma fags, they just don't get it.

>>718651559 (OP)
AI knows its B. Scientists know its B. Anyone with an IQ > 125 knows its B. Its simple relativity.

I'll admit I don't understand physics. At first they seem to make sense but at some point I don't get it.
For example an object that is moving is said to have kinectic energy, right? But whether an object is moving or not depends on the frame of the observer. So the measured energy of the object will depend on who measures it and their frame of reference? How does that make sense?

>>718694721
>”It’s simply relativity!”
The relativity argument favors A.

>>718691880
This is how Bfag world would work

>>718693750
if portals were a common/casual occurrence, we'd need a very different definition of movement/motion.

>>718692373
>gamebryo

>>718694721
AI knows that it's B because it thinks the cube is bouncing on water

>>718663947
>>718664984
This dude had balls

>>718671117
But it does. The fact that it passes through the portal not all at once but in slices like a cat scan would impart momentum. The problem is set up in a disingenuous way by having the portal be on the floor and affected by gravity. If the portal were on a vertical wall, the box wouldn't land directly at the foot of the wall but be ejected a certain distance. What happens if you take a vertical wall will a portal on it and slowly move the box through it? Whose gravity affects the box when it is halfway through? Does it stay motionless clung to the wall or does it start wobbling on the solid floor?

>>718694732
>For example an object that is moving is said to have kinectic energy
When you're doing equations that involve kinetic energy you have chosen a reference point to work from already. You don't need to incorporate relativity into your simulation of billiard balls smacking into each other.

Can someone explain through relativity why when I’m on a bus, the pedestrians don’t go flying because the bus “stops”?

>>718695665
Good thing his balls didn't get launched into orbit once the window fell through him

>>718696369
>Can someone explain through relativity why when I’m on a bus, the pedestrians don’t go flying because the bus “stops”?
No, because that has fuck-all to do with relativity unless your bus is approaching c

>>718694721
so simple a monkey could do it

>>718696369
Pretty obvious, innit? If you replaced the kids with boxes, would they stop?

>>718696369
seat belts?

>>718694860
Everything favors A except inbred retards who can't grasp simple physics

>>718694732
You're concerned with newtonian physics that usually has the earth's surface as the singular reference frame and concerns itself with "energy inherent in objects" like potential energy.
That shit is cool and all but fucking useless in more realistic complex physics.

>>718696608
Pedestrians: People outside the bus.
When the bus “stop” (erm actually it’s the entire universe stopping, the bus was never moving), so do the civilians not on the bus.
What causes those civilians to go 20 mph and suddenly stop?

>>718696713
Answer my question. What happens to this box if nothing is moving?

>>718696974
yeah, you're buckled in so your frame of reference is static so why would they go flying? it's not like you're getting off or on a moving bus

>>718697029
WHATS IN THE BOX whaaaaatsssss in the boxxxxx

>>718697320
Gwenyth paltrow's head. Now answer me.

>>718697029
>>718697373
>What happens to this box if
My dick ends up in it

>>718697320
>>718697691
So this is the power of A fags...

>>718697373
I will try but between the crude drawing and my disgust for your theme...

It appears your issue is your failure to understand gravity is pulling down on the right vs on an angle on the left so one is stronger than the other and will pull the box through the portal after some point near but not 50% some cosine bs

>>718651559 (OP)
>grabs it before it rockets off into the ceiling
Skewed test

>>718697816
Except your wrong because the part that is outside the portal exists on a different plane. Gravity can't affect the whole box when half of it is on the wall, retard.

>>718697029
If nothingn is moving then nothing happens idiot

If half your body leans out the window and you stop leaning forward then guess what happens?

>>718697937
can gravity effect half of the box with it's center of gravity ill centered?

>>718697952
Your muscles hold you rigid? Your example doesn't work at all. Half the box is having gravity applied vertically to it while the other half has it applied horizontally. A far cry from sticking your dick out a window.

A. groids aren't people.

>>718698080
There is no center anymore, or, it will be much lower. Once the matter exists the portal, it is as if it doesn't exist to the matter still in the portal. You can't count the weight of the box outside the portal because its weight is having gravity applied on a different axis.

>>718698195
>Once the matter exists the portal, it is as if it doesn't exist to the matter still in the portal.
have you played portal?

>>718663186
LOL

>>718698309
Yes. A video game representation is different from what would actually happen. How can you count the weight of the box outside the portal as contributing to the weight of the whole box when gravity is being applied to it from a different axis? Weight only exists because of gravity so the weight of anything already passed through the portal wouldn't count towards it.

>>718698524
>A video game representation is different from what would actually happen.
these threads are about the video game...

also your statement doesn't make sense. a) weight implies gravity b) portal joins two space gravity exists on all molecules from both portal directions but one is straight down (standard grav) the other is on an angle thus stronger so it will cause the object to accelerate towards it.

>>718697117
And the people OUTSIDE the bus?

>>718675930
No, you retard. Never in history has any English speaker said "I'm sick because whiplash ruined my lunch", it's complete gibberish.

>>718694732
>For example an object that is moving is said to have kinectic energy, right?
Honestly there is a blatant inconsistency on the language level. Not even a physic problem, a communication problem. When an object is hot it has thermal energy. When an object is radioactive it has radioactive energy. If a spring is compressed, it has kinetic energy. The energy is self-contained within the object and can be freely released as (insert word) energy so it is normal to talk in term of energy stored within the object. Keeping in mind that simple concept, a moving object should *not* be described in terms of having stored kinetic energy. How does that remotely make sense? The so called kinetic energy is just the result of interaction between two objects with different properties, neither is more valid to be described as having stored energy, but since the two different objects have different properties then their interaction does blah blah blah. Clearly an important part of physics but clearly not the same concept as an energy battery.

We usually don't care about this mental blindspot because we happen to live on a planet, we can just evaluate everything relative to the Earth, it's simple it's intuitive and it works. BUT. If we lived in space our entire life we would be immensely aware that saying "moving objects have stored kinetic energy" is some kind of lunatic meme that breaks your mind. This mental blindspot contributes immensely to the confusion when people try to communicate their idea of how they believe portals should behave if they existed, and of course they don't and can't. Bad communication just makes people imagine different things and argue over nothing.

>>718698987
wait are you hitting them with the bus?

How can this force be applied to that section of box? The mass is already in another plane of existence. How can it count towards the entire weight of the box only in one direction when half the box is on the other side of the room?

>>718699073
have you ever had whiplash anon? damage or strain to your neck nerves can cause severe nausea, literally had it like 2 weeks ago

>>718699196
A.pes will never recover.

>>718699176
so you're saying gravity doesnt exist in that plane of existence? why do the molecules stay together? strong nuclear force or whatever?

>>718699196
That's what I'm saying. The fact the box leaves in slices like a CAT scan imparts momentum to it.

>>718699528
Gravity does exist but it's being applied from a different axis so doesn't contribute to the weight of the box on the floor. The more the box gets pushed through the portal, the less mass the box on the floor has, thus, less weight.

>>718651559 (OP)
MOVING SURFACES CANT HAVE A FUCKING PORTAL ON IT
NONE OF YOU HAVE PLAYED THE GAMES

>>718663803
Can you circle the cube in this picture?

>>718699553
ITS A DOOR NOT A TELEPORTER THEYRE THE SAME SPACE NO SLICES!
(technically it's the right but on a macro scale its the left)
>>718699196
reminder b fags think if the orange portal stops half way down the spike the spike will split in half and rocket through the A chad and through the ceiling

>>718699895
Portal 2 neurotoxin factory

>>718699815
do you remember how to draw force diagrams from physics class? can you do one for each half of the box? bc i got no idea what you're trying to explain fundamentally, like why does the floor even matter to you?

>>718700065
Why shouldn't it? The part that's through the portal is gaining mass while the part on the ground is losing it. That confers momentum. It literally can't be a door because gravity is being applied two different ways on the same object.

A.pes are retarded because the very premise for the portal question is a very contradiction in how reality even works, and therefore the logic they would attempt to apply is already contradicted, it can't work. B. workes on the premise of the hypothetical, and I'd say B. isn't even an ANSWER, it's merely the necessary factor of the already contradictory premise. You can't have the premise without B. So B., is equally absurd as the problem itself, but B. is synthesis, and A. is ignorance.

>>718674979
Inb4 someone attempts to claim A isn't the one that says Chell's arm remains at 12 m/s

>>718700425
you dont understand how portals work and your statement about gravity is just wrong

>>718700065
>portal stops half way down the spike the spike will split in half
I know that might be how weak your dick is anon. But the spike is probably stronger than that.

>>718700656
>you dont understand how portals work
>work
>>718700638

>>718700652
interesting, b fags appear to fundamentally not understand portals

The game literally fucking tells you how portals function. There is no debate.
>Momentum, a function of mass and velocity, is conserved between portals. In layman's terms, speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out.
It doesn't take a fucking physicist to extrapolate that the inverse is also true, "stationary thing goes in, stationary thing comes out."

>>718700792
>yeah bro let me just apply a logic where portals can't affect reality in a context in which portals are affecting reality!

>>718699895
>>718700189
Literally all portals made in the game.

>>718700912
b-b-but muh frame of reference

>>718700880
B is what happens in portal 2. Chell's motion changes to be moving with the moon when she exits on the other end.

>>718700269
Because the gravity from the box on the floor is what is holding the box to the wall. As the box passes through the portal, the amount of mass having gravity applied to it is shrinking while the mass with gravity being applied in a totally different axis is growing. Imagine it's a tree instead of a box. How far can the portal go down on the tree before the weight of the tree sticking sideways uproots it? Are you saying the part horizontal still carries the same gravity as the vertical even though it's passed through the portal?

>>718700912
The game literally tells you something which literally isn't true. Portal flings literally entails using portals to change your momentum.

>>718685186
I watched Interstellar recently for the first time and laughed out loud when they did the "punching paper with a pencil" scene. Expected the film to be above that cliche, but I guess by that point they did it more out of tradition than anything else.

It's A
fags literally cannot comprehend portals, they need to replay the game

>>718651559 (OP)
Someone, please make a version where the candy corn thing jumps at you lmao.

>>718701056
no, chell does not suffer the effects of spaghettification and you assume that somehow she was partially accelerated to and that magic prevented her from dying somehow, therefore B.

A more logical conclusion is that the spatial points are joined, almost like there's a portal there so the velocity differentials are ignored by physics entirely thus normal portal rules apply ie A

>>718700976
A video that made dozens of flat earthers feel validated.

>>718700656
How in the world does gravity not apply to the tree that extending from the portal? How does this tree not get uprooted?

>>718701305
>It's A fags literally cannot comprehend portals, they need to replay the game
Agreed. "It's A fags who" would be more grammatically correct though.

>>718701413
isnt that what I was arguing?

>>718701413
>>718701543
Are inBreds actually this retarded?

>>718701534
No. You're saying the gravity only applies from the direction you start with so the tree on the other end of the portal is basically weightlessly hanging in the air.

already debunked
A fags were wrong the whole time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao1qVi5Qp3Y

>>718701543
pretty sure displacing your head with a spike through portal magic doesn't require momentum

A.sswipes REALLY want you to beleive that a speeding bullet traveling at 3,000 FPS through a portal traveling towards it at a speed of 3,000 FPS is going to come out of the exit portal at 6,000 FPS then come to an abrupt hault to 3,000 FPS again as the ass end escapes the the exit portal.
A.sswipes NEVER EVER.

>>718701729
>displacing
what an odd way to say moving

>>718701705
are you fucking with me?

>>718701658
>Portion on blue side has very little mass being applied downwards
>Portion on orange side has a lot of mass being applied sideways
A fags are saying it keeps the gravity from the trunk and ignores the gravity from the rest of it.

>>718701706
>made an entirely different game to prove himself...wrong
why are b fags so delusional, my god.

>>718699202
If you were a native English speaker, you would know the expression for vomiting is "lose your lunch", not "ruin your lunch".
But even if you used the right phrasing, your joke was really contrived and counterintuitive.

>>718701370
>no, chell does not suffer the effects of spaghettification
Because portals don't cause that when they change your momentum as demontrated by how seamlessly a portal can change your speed both over twice terminal falling velocity without inflicting damage. Which makes sense if you actually understand what it is that causes "spaghettification".

>and you assume that somehow she was partially accelerated to
Not "somehow", the reason is B. And there's no assumption to be made. That's literally what happens in Portal 2. Chell quite literally had her momentum change to perfectly match the Moon.

>and that magic prevented her from dying somehow
Again, obvious once you understand what it is that actually causes "spaghettification.

>A more logical conclusion is that the spatial points are joined
B does not deny this, it simply acknowledges a necessary change in momentum in order for the spatial joining to be seamless. Said momentum changing literally happens in portal.

>so the velocity differentials are ignored by physics
That is not a logical conclusion. You're literally arguing to ignore logic.

>>718701658
75% of supporting B is blatantly misrepresenting A in every possible way

>>718701825
No. You said mass doesn't change thus the initial source of gravity wouldn't change. The parts of the tree on either side of the portal are two distinct objects based on how it's being affected by gravity. You literally have to account for gravity affecting the same object in two different ways, something impossible that is beyond the pay grade for game devs to compensate for.

>>718702037
if you were a native english speaker (like me) you would know lose your lunch means to throw up which was not what I described, you retard. Why would that make you "sick" that would make you not sick because you just evacuated all the stuff that could make you sick.
Having your stomach jostled around ruins your digestion ie your lunch, you fucking moron larping paki nigger.

>>718702249
Real english speaker would say ruin your apetite or just say make you nauseous. I've never once heard someone use the phrase ruin your lunch to mean become sick.

>>718702175
you're talking to the wrong person
>>718702060
you're tedious and think you're smarter than you are, whining about spags tismo do you even know what an analogy is

>>718702141
100% of supporting A are misrepreseting physics

>>718702141
Not even Afags can agree on how A is supposed to work. The only rule that Afags will often claim is the idea that a portal does not change an objects momentum when passing through. And it's precisely that rule the B side uses to disprove A. >>718700652

Not to mention portal flings literally entail using portals to change your momentum.

>>718651559 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhEaw3Kuhf0

>>718702463
ok brown person, keep telling me how to speak english while making nonsense contextually inappropriate phrases

>>718702506
I don't think I'm smart. Afags are just really, really stupid.

>>718701795
only from a certain point of view.

>>718653054
The floor isn't moving in the original question.

>>718702590
The only way it could ruin your lunch is if you were eating lunch at the time it happened. No other uses of that phrase make sense.

Riddle me this, A.pes. When your motion conserved motionless ass is hanging from the exit portal and slams the motionless steal plate what's going to happen?

>>718702731
If you were an ant standing on the box as it exited the portal, would you be moving? The answer is obviously yes since your position is changing over time.

>>718651559 (OP)
why it not flying upward??

>>718679458
>her
Lmfao dude

>>718702649
you don't even have an argument, here is the b fag roadmap:
>lose the argument because of basic portal rules (speed in speed out)
>resort to failing to understand frame of reference
>lose because doors dont make you accelerate to the speed of sound
>resort to moonfagging because you need to move the goalposts
>get btfo because you dont understand quantization
>pretend your ideas still make sense somehow because magic portals or something

>>718703019
if the universe moves around you, are you moving?

>>718703206
>Ant stands on motionless box
>As he exits the portal, his position in space changes over time
>This somehow doesn't confer any momentum whatsoever
Ok retard

>>718703027
B ecause she did it wrong

>>718696907
it's called theoretical physics because it's all fake and gay, einstein is a hack.

>>718703206
>lose the argument because of basic portal rules (speed in speed out)
Speed in and speed out relative to the two ends of the portal respectively. As demonstrated by the moon scene which I just explained.

This comment chain literally just had an Afag give up on trying to argue otherwise. Afags are the ones who lose arguments.

>>718655801
>THE CUBE
>IS NOT
>MOVING
If it weren't moving, it wouldn't be able to exit the portal.

>theoretical physics
>imaginary numbers
>fantasy football
Can't you nerds ever live in reality?

>>718696907
Even Newton would conclude B. An exiting cube maintaining its exiting motion is literally the First Law.

>>718703337
We aren't talking about philosophical bullshit. This is science. The ants position in space is changing as he exits the box. If the ant has mass (he does) this movement would necessarily create momentum. Velocity is distance/time. The and moves a certain distance over a certain amount of time, thus, he has velocity. And if he has velocity and mass, he has momentum. Now suck a dick.

Do you B rainless morons not know that space is a vacuum?

>>718703027
Because it's not a portal. Portals on the other hand, WOULD lead to that, and why? Because 2 portals share the same world, therefore, if a moving platform in a motionless and still room has a portal, and goes over a motionless object, and the exit portal, is in the same motionless room, a room equally as motionless as the object itself, the object which appears on the exit portal will be......????????? YOU GUESSED IT!!! MOVING!!!

A.pes cannot have it both ways, and they can't address this. Once again, they apply logic which would only be remotely coherent absent of the fundamental contradiction in the hypothetical, to the hypothetical, so the A.pe is defeated on 2 fronts, both by their dignification of the hypothetical in the first place, but then also their application of premise which can't exist in the hypothetical.
In other words, they have placed a sign on themselves that says "retard", but convinced themselves it doesn't say that.

>>718701706
>No you see Achads are in the wrong!
>Check out this YouTuber who coded his own engine where he can have the cube do what ever he wants!

Afags cannot comprehend this

>>718703617
It's so fucking simple. Does it move? Yes. Does it take time to do it? Yes. Then it has velocity. Does it also have mass? Then it has momentum.

>>718702893
so you think you can refer to losing your lunch (throwing up) but not ruining your lunch, the same noun in effect because why exactly? do you think english has a rule about only being allowed to use phrases that have been spoken before?
Are you a chink who can only speak in moon runes someone else wrote down?

/v/ really is going to be arguing about this until the heat death of the universe huh

all these years later and you dumb faggots are still clambering over each other over elementary grade physics. this place used to be full of smart people acting like retards but it looks like they decided to take the retard part a little too seriously lately.

>>718703782
Your brain is a fucking vacuum.

>>718703740
>cant answer the question
>thinks he won the argument
embarrasssssssing

>>718700976
>you are moving because the planet is moving
10iq thinking
you could be completely still in a car moving at 200mph

>>718703919
These are the most enjoyable threads on this board. They also lead to creativity. I love when they come up.

>>718703876
Since you don't know the difference between nouns and verbs, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>718703919
Only because retards are too stupid to grasp basic fActs

>>718703919
which btw disproves a statement earlier misunderstanding relative motion lel

Here's a follow up question for anyone who answers B

>>718703975
>If something that isn't true was, would you be right?
This is the level of discourse you're showing, you A brained retard.

>>718704094
my use of noun was correct, esl noggy needs to learn to read

>>718704220
The noun is lunch and doesn't change in either phrase.

>>718651559 (OP)
holy shit its faust

A.pes will literally crack open a science book to prove a contradiction.

>>718704136
the answer is the box. anne is obviously a mischievous person that likes to pull pranks on her friends. sally knows this and knows to check the box first.

>>718704136
Obviously she would look in the box because that's where the marble is. Unfortunately it's going to fly out like a bullet through her skull

>>718704332
wow you're literally retarded because that was my point

>>718703831
>managed to remake portal on N64 hardware
>says B

Funny thing is this that guy did cause a load of former Afags to realise B was the answer smart people were making.

>>718703831
he simualted every molecule, atom, proton, neutron, electron, nucleon,quark, lepton and energy manifestation in his own universe

the day this actually gets undeniably solved is the day /v/ finally dies for real and forever

>>718704110
>can't address
>>718703791

A.pes can't code.

>>718704484
>Thinking he made a point talking about the universe revolving around my specific example
You're the worst kind of retard; the one who acts like they're smart.

>>718704510
I mean the dev said A so that's pretty much it. The only thing that will kill it beyond that is a sequel coming out and doing it.

>>718704619
>The dev said
death of the author

>>718704619
We've had two emails, one saying A and one saying B and the guy saying A falsely claimed portals conserve momentum.

>>718704668
he's still alive

>>718704723
give me an hour

>>718704619
So you're a pA.pist.

>>718704510
The solution is probably some complicated math formula that even if posted and peer reviewed people here would still argue over it.

>>718704619
I literally do not care. The box is moving through space and time so it has velocity. Go fuck yourself.

>>718704618
>move room around object
>durr it has momentum!
>move universe around object
>nooo i cant answer that

>>718704856
Not really. Velocity = movement/time. Momentum = mass x velocity. It couldn't be simpler.

>>718704864
if the universe is constantly expanding isnt everything doing that? do you think no object can be stationary? what about during heat death?

>>718704856
the question is what happens in portal, the answer is whatever happens in portal...nothing happens (fuck off b moonfags I have already slain you) until they make a new portal with rules. that is the point of the image, to make you argue.

>>718704951
You aren't moving the room, dipshit. When it comes out the other side, it fucking moves. This has nothing to do with the thought experiment even. A box exiting a portal has movement relative to the room it is exiting into. Stop trying to bog us down in bullshit, you retard.

>>718705150
>building falls on you
>my momentum will save me!

>>718704856
It's simply:

>velocity relative to entrance portal when entering = velocity relative to exit portal when exiting
Problem is Afags either don't understand what that means or will pretend they don't.

pA.pists be talkin bout A.postolic succession when they schismed from Portal itself.

>>718705049
>>718705215
You argue like a kike.

>>718705227
made this just for you baby.
>>718674979

>>718704864
>WAAAAAAAAH IT'S GOT VELOCITY I DON'T CARE ABOUT LOGIC WAAAAAAAAHHH
Your average Bfag everybody.

>>718651559 (OP)
I don't see why fucking a piece of paper is going to solve the problem.

>>718705139
>(fuck off b moonfags I have already slain you)
The moon scene is B and I've literally seen an anon give up trying to argue otherwise >>718702060

>>718705368
Please explain how >>718703617 this box isn't moving. It's position literally changes over time, dipshit.

>>718705310
I'm literally the anon who made the responding edit >>718700652

i've noticed how belligerent the B people are ITT. they seem very insecure about their hypothesis and tend to lash out at people who hypothesize A over it.

>>718705549
grats on being retarded?

>>718704864
Oh so portals have time travel now?

>>718704864
Time and space is moving around the box, retard.

>>718705263
you argue like a brainlet goymerican

>>718705607
It's moving through time at the same pace everything else is, you retard. This kind of shit should put to rest which side is smarter. Just look at the shit Afags say.

>>718705602
So I take it you're the other anon in this conversation?
>>718700880
>>718701056
>>718701370
>>718702060
You literally gave up on the argument.

>>718705632
Afags are so pathetic. Who would take you seriously?

>>718664984
nice

>>718705549
your edit btw is wrong because you're assuming A being wrong for the moon = B being wrong. But you have no way of explaining why chell isn't torn asunder. Whereas A does, granted it's a weak argument it's still better than no argument.

>>718705701
Ok, but when we're talking about INSTANT teleportation, the constant flow of time has no relevancy to the discussion.

If everything is traveling forward at one second per second, why bring it up?
You gonna bring up the fact that it's a three dimensional object too?
Oh shit guys the portals are interdimensional, they go from the third dimension to the third dimension!

>>718705368
If you're caring that it has velocity then that means you care about the logic. You're the one trying to throw logic out the window by disregarding whether it has velocity regarding the question of if it has velocity.

>>718705805
how could I when you have no argument?

>>718705961
>This is instant
>>718703617

>>718705813
>Who would take you seriously?
Anyone who saw you bringing up time travel when discussing traveling through time at one second per second.

You can't just fill up a discussion with irrelevant shit.

GUYS, DID WE EVEN FACTOR IN ELEPHANTS!?
AFAGS FORGET THAT ELEPHANTS ARE BIG AND THE BOX IS SMALL
ALSO NUTRITION!
EVERYTHING HAS A NUTRITIONAL VALUE, ARE AFAGS EVEN CONSIDERING THE BOX'S CALORIE COUNT!?

Cunt, fuck off.

>>718706046
Yeah, but like, what if the universe was spinning real fast man? Like whoaaaaa

>>718705368
>>718703791

>>718702060
btw what kind of retard turns a 2 line post into 5 quote lines of nonsense

>>718706194
The formula for velocity is distance/time. I hate you so fucking much.

>>718706089
Yes.
The moment that particular molecular layer of the 3D cube hit the 2D portal, that layer instantly teleported.
The atoms hit the portal and teleport immediately.

>>718706336
What happens to the ones who go through first when the others come through?

>>718706292
The formula for ferocity is my dick/your ass. I gape you so fucking much.

>>718706387
they "displace" - not move - away from the entering (not moving) cube

>>718706467
So we're just lying about definitions now? Is that what Afags are resorting to?

>>718706292
Velocity don't mean shit 'cause the box ain't movin'

>>718706446
This is why there's an A in ChAd and a B in Bitch

>>718706387
Nothing. They're already out of the portal.

>>718703617
the irony here is if you understood frames of reference...

>>718706546
Yes, it is. If you take a molecule on the end of the box that goes through first and track it's location, it fucking changes.
>>718706569
The ones behind them aren't. How is it going to accommodate the ones who still need to pass through?

>>718706336
not unless by teleport you mean the planck time based movement, portals join space so the objects are always contiguous no teleportation occurs.

>>718705952
>you're assuming A being wrong for the moon = B being wrong
Literally the opposite. I'm saying B is correct.

>But you have no way of explaining why chell isn't torn asunder.
Portals demonstrably don't cause damage when they change your momentum as demonstrated by how seamlessly a portal can change your speed by over twice terminal falling velocity without inflicting damage.

Add the fact that chell's arm moving differently to her body is accommodated for by the fact that the two ends of the portal were already moving different. Chell's arm's new motion demonstrably isn't bringing it away from Chell herself so her arm won't be torn off.

>>718706047
Literally read >>718702060 and actually respond to what I said this time.

>>718706725
>The ones behind them aren't. How is it going to accommodate the ones who still need to pass through?
Simple.
They will get pushed by the ones behind them till the last one comes out. As the last one comes out nothing is pushing them and the total mass of the box will, without momentum, bounce slightly.
The force of gravity, and the weight of the box, will produce a slight hop from the prior velocity of the box going through the portal.

What does a car do when you suddenly remove all velocity from it?

>>718706980
So it got pushed a certain distance over a certain amount of time? I wonder what that sounds like.

>>718664526
got it to think a little harder
i don't agree but i understand its reasoning
if wormholes were something we perfectly understood then we could give a definite answer but for now i'm going to continue saying it's a hula hoop because that's closer to how it works in-game

>>718706805
I meant to write "B being right" not wrong (tired)
>Literally read >>718702060# and actually respond to what I said this time.
write it better without nitpicking and I will, it hurts my brain to look at it and I dont even see a valid point you're making

>Portals demonstrably don't cause damage when they change your momentum as demonstrated by how seamlessly a portal can change your speed by over twice terminal falling velocity without inflicting damage.
you're conflating external momentum with conservation (spd in/out) and the gameplay mechanic of chell's leg braces

if you think chells arm doesnt get torn off then your argument for the cube jump breaks

A. and gay go hand in hand.

>>718707147
Sounds like slight momentum, which I've never disagreed with. I am, after all an AcAdemic.
Doesn't sound like rocketing force like Bfags Blieve, however, because Bfags are unBlievably retarded.

>>718707391
B goes with Blody Bich Basterd Benchod because they are paBts.

DO NOT RE-B-M

b-tards really think this

>>718707227
> and the gameplay mechanic of chell's leg braces
Lol, saw this coming. No the leg braces clearly aren't doing anything when you fall through a portal.

Imagine dropping a glass bottle so that achieves terminal velocity and falls through one of two portals on a ground. If it isn't your belief that the bottle will shatter as it passes through the portal then you are confirming that the portal can change the bottle motion by double terminal velocity without it doing damage to the bottle.

>write it better
The moon scene shows the portal changing chell's momentum by a massive amount so that Chell is suddenly moving with the portal. This demonstrates B's logic. It is pointless to say "if Chell's momentum changed massively it should have killed her" because you'd be trying to deny Chell's momentun changing when that's literally what happens.

>>718707575
you guys are conceiving it wrong. there is no push because the "door" (portal) is moving around the object, hence the analogy about the universe moving around an object, it has no v, apart from grav and the like

>>718708025
>Lol, saw this coming
shouldve written your post less ambiguous then dingus
it doesn't sound like you understand terminal velocity, it seems like you think it should determine when a bottle breaks? it is just the point at which G = F(air resistance)