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Anonymous No.718655815 >>718655882 >>718656271 >>718656373 >>718656745 >>718656748 >>718663336 >>718666448 >>718670656
Rejoice gamers all shadows will be done by Path Tracing® from now on. You are welcome that'll be $699 MSRP
Anonymous No.718655882
>>718655815 (OP)
just get a 5090
Anonymous No.718656078 >>718656158 >>718656247 >>718656285 >>718656589 >>718666000 >>718666448 >>718670374
What you people fail to realise is while back in the day devs were capable of doing shadows without RTX, that was when games were done by small/medium sized studios of skilled and educated white people working on in-house engine purpose built for the kind of game they were making. This is no longer economically viable and if you're going to staff your 2000 people large studio with indian code monkeys you need to give them industry standardised, easy to work with solutions.

Your games are all going to run like shit, look the same, cost more, feed the mouths of shitskins who are ethnically replacing you, and you are going to be happy.
Anonymous No.718656158
>>718656078
You’re already assuming too much if you think I’ll buy modern slop
Anonymous No.718656241
I will not use ray tracing
I will not use DLSS
I will not pay Nvidia stupid amounts of money
I will not play AAAA slop
Anonymous No.718656247 >>718656368 >>718656863 >>718668178
>>718656078
>let's discuss about this tech
>DUDE RACE
/pol/brain at its finest
Anonymous No.718656271
>>718655815 (OP)
>studios who keep PIMPING off their IP's to anti-consumer tech marketing campaigns
Fucking Capcom.
Anonymous No.718656285 >>718658236
>>718656078
Sure, but I don't see how games can scale if devs are clueless. The CPU has been the fundamental bottleneck and every form hierarchy in and out of the code has failed to both allow scaling while keeping performance.
Anonymous No.718656368 >>718656418
>>718656247
okay rajeesh
Anonymous No.718656373 >>718659000
>>718655815 (OP)
Just prebake shadow and light maps. I don't understand what's this constant need for dynamic lighting inside games is where there is no day and night cycle, nor lights being moved around.
Anonymous No.718656418
>>718656368
>I will call everyone who disagrees with me a nazi
hmmmm where did I hear this before...... I wonder how well that went
Anonymous No.718656437 >>718656653 >>718656757
are the schizos gonna pipe down after all first party ps6 titles are primarily lit with RT?
Anonymous No.718656528 >>718656571 >>718663262
>actually looks worse
>Requires a $1000 GPU
>+80% performance requirements

Who asked for this? It's like games taking 8 years to make and 300,000,000 dollars. Nobody asked for this but they made it the standard somehow.
Anonymous No.718656571 >>718671829
>>718656528
This is the big one for me. WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYTHING LOOK LIKE A FUZZY MESS
Anonymous No.718656589 >>718660627
>>718656078
>Bugs, glitches and poor performance was never a thing in video games until 2016. it's the not-white people ruining everything, NOT the suits, CEO greed and illiterate americans.
Anonymous No.718656653 >>718656695
>>718656437
Gaytracing isn't a magic wand that you wave over a computer and a good looking game pops out.
Anonymous No.718656674 >>718656716 >>718657023 >>718667467 >>718667923
this isn't anti-consumer. businesses need to grantee returns for investors, so stock prices need to keep increasing. in order for stock prices to increase, new advancements need to be made to sell more products

the thing is, without this, investors pull out, then you get NOTHING

videogames are not free to make, they require capital investments.

no return on investments=no more funding=no more videogames

this is not "anti consumer", its literally just how a capitalist economy produces things for you to consume in the first place
Anonymous No.718656695 >>718656727
>>718656653
its better than screen space reflections
Anonymous No.718656716 >>718656847
>>718656674
corporate hands wrote this post
Anonymous No.718656727
>>718656695
>red is better than blue
You have very low standards for art.
Anonymous No.718656745 >>718659000
>>718655815 (OP)
This is because Nvidias Ray/Path tracing is automated through AI systems. This being widely adopted means that Goyvidia can crutch competition,they shill their product and most importantly for corpos - it almost entirely eliminates need for lighting artists so they can employ less people.
Anonymous No.718656748 >>718656805 >>718656823 >>718669992
>>718655815 (OP)
>never buy UE4-UE5 slop
>never buy a new GPU until your current one stops receiving driver updates
>always pirate/play demo before buying
>don't support corporate developers and mentally ill indie devs (always check their twitter)
>never switch to Windows 11, 12, etc.
>try different Linux distributions in the VM until you find one you're comfortable with
>dual boot for a couple of weeks to see if the distribution of your choice works well on your hardware, troubleshoot possible driver problems or switch to another distro with the newer kernel (fixes 99% of the possible problems)
>make the final switch to Freedom
>never look back
Gaming is much peaceful once you stop consuming digital slop altogether.
Anonymous No.718656757
>>718656437
>2028
>cucksole games still running at 30FPS
Anonymous No.718656805 >>718657109
>>718656748
I was with you until you mentioned Linux.
Anonymous No.718656812 >>718656861 >>718656880
>turn raytracing off
>???
>win
what's the downside ?
Anonymous No.718656823
>>718656748
i just play indies and fiddle in unity in my spare time for fun
Anonymous No.718656847 >>718656931
>>718656716
Capitalist hands*

welcome to the real world anon, this is how the real world works

either private projects gain funding from private capital investments, or you do communism and the capital investments come from the state to state operated projects
Anonymous No.718656861 >>718670713
>>718656812
>turn raytracing off
>2025 game now looks worse than a 2015 game
Anonymous No.718656863 >>718658729
>>718656247
lol are you actually going to imply there's no correlation between the rise of work pipelines based on general purpose, standardised engines and plugins, the drastic drop in performance and fidelity, and that there has been absolutely no influx of indians in tbe industry workforce? You reddit/bluesky droolers are absolutely precious.
Anonymous No.718656880 >>718656980 >>718657010
>>718656812
>turn raytracing off
Soon they wont let you do that lmao. Some titles already dont. So much for winning.
Anonymous No.718656931 >>718657136
>>718656847
nah you're a corpo rat, fuck off
>only corporations or communist dystopias can produce shit!
nigger
Anonymous No.718656980
>>718656880
Then I just won't play those games.
Anonymous No.718657010
>>718656880
>Some titles already dont
its more a case that 2060 can run the game but 1060 as in you just need the feature to be there
then theres game modes like aw2 rt or cp path tracing where you want at least a 5070
Anonymous No.718657023
>>718656674
>then you get NOTHING
I'd rather the industry die because it should have always remained focused on craftsmanship, not production. My botique high quality furniture store turned into Ikea, and I'd rather see the whole chain burned down and the owners strung up from lamp posts by their entrails than see them pump out more garbage made out of particle board.
Anonymous No.718657109 >>718662693
>>718656805
You do realize Microjeets can make Windows 10 completely unusable if not enough goys upgrade to 11?
If they could force software developers to stop releasing Windows 7 supported versions of popular software back than, they sure have even more power to do so with Windows 10.
It's just a matter of time before Chrome(ium) and Firefox stop working on Windows 10, along with every Electron depended software like Steam and Discord, so you'll have to use some Fagfox Chromesome 0.0931alpha obscure piece of shit browser that can't load 90% website properly, and pray the next Steam update doesn't bork your current installation.
Also they can pull the DirectX trick again, and stop supporting older APIs in games.

Linux just werks.
Anonymous No.718657136 >>718657178
>>718656931
well i didn't mean that. theres a whole industry of indie games, its just that most people dont want to be stuck playing nothing but indie games for eternity because they tend to be extremely limited due to the lack of funding
Anonymous No.718657178 >>718657259
>>718657136
except they aren't limited and you're lying, corporate shill.
Anonymous No.718657259 >>718657287
>>718657178
LOL ok bud, you're obviously in a complete state of denial
Anonymous No.718657287
>>718657259
where are indie games limited then?
Anonymous No.718658236
>>718656285
>The CPU has been the fundamental bottleneck
the lack of evolution on the CPU side is a big reason for stagnation of video games, agreed...
>and every form hierarchy in and out of the code
you've lost me. form hierarchy? I'm somewhat of a game developer myself and I have no idea what you could mean with this.
Anonymous No.718658341 >>718659638 >>718662037
do You faggots even gayme? post desktop
Anonymous No.718658729 >>718659231 >>718659745
>>718656863
Not him, but you get there and then flop right after because you're racist
>correlation between the rise of work pipelines based on general purpose, standardised engines and plugins, the drastic drop in performance and fidelity
This is true
>influx of indians in tbe industry workforce
This is irrelevant. Contract studio work is inherently shit. The practice is inherently flawed and is antithetical to attention to detail
Anonymous No.718659000 >>718663342
>>718656373
You can't have destructible or movable objects with proper shadows if you prebake lighting. You can see that the chairs have no shadows in Battlefield 6. (Which is okay because online FPS games should be playable on toasters, but it's just an example.)

>>718656745
It doesn't remove the need for lighting artists, they just no longer have to wait around doing nothing while the lighting bakes.
Anonymous No.718659231
>>718658729
Bro you could have just said it's because of women in the industry, no need to dance around the bush like that.
Anonymous No.718659638
>>718658341
ummm, whats that wallpaper anon?
Anonymous No.718659745
>>718658729
>NWOOO I DON'T CARE IF UR RIGHT RACISM BAD IT HURT MY FEEFEES
lmao kill yourself you retarded redditor
Anonymous No.718660627 >>718664926 >>718666189
>>718656589
>bugs, glitches
Different things, and yes, they were much less prevalent back in the day, especially before the internet became widely usable, because then devs couldn't really distribute a patch to fix their shit. Nowadays you have to be a fucking moron to play a game day 1, as the first 1-2 months of a games release are basically a non-paid beta stage.

>poor performance
And again, not closely as prevalent back then as it is nowadays. Now to be fair, most people cry about bad performance because they think they have to run shit on the meme resolution of 4k, but many games run like shit and have awful pop-in even on a regular resolution.
Then there's the absolute undeniable fact that games are now looking worse than how they did 10 years ago, yet the system requirements are weirdly way higher than back then, all because tech companies try to push gimmicks like PT, which gets gobbled up by the inept 60-IQ poo in the loos because otherwise they couldn't do shit at all.
10+ years ago people bought new GPUs to play games that looked tremendously better than the games that came before.
Nowadays jewvidia expects me to shill out a thousand bucks for GPU that let's me play games that look much worse, still run like shit and are infected with woke faggotry, just so little retarded Ranshid doesn't have as hard a time working while shitting into the street, all so the CEO - who has the foresight capabilities of a near dead mole - can save some money by not hiring properly skilled people.
Anonymous No.718661620 >>718662078
Remember goyim, crysis (2007) looked better than most modern games EIGHTEEN (18) years ago. In its vanialla form. Throw a few graphics mods on it and my god it was gorgeous

Fast forward to today and everything looks like waxy plastic. And you goyim still buy it.

So the problem isn't really greedy GPU manufacturers pushing the game companies to force people to buy later hardware.

The problem isn't really the fact that games aren't made by intelligent white nerdy guys, but are now instead made by hordes of pajeets that can't even use toilets.

The problem isn't that shaders are now a lost art because everyone just uses le heccin raytracing as a crutch.

No anon the problem, is (You). You, for buying modern "games". You for buying on steam and through other DRM dogshit. You for pre-ordering (jfc) digital downloads. You anon, gaming died by your hands.
Anonymous No.718661845 >>718662007 >>718662749
why do third worlders not like pathtracing?
Anonymous No.718662007
>>718661845 shit fake technology that even people shilling for it do not understand
what % of path tracing is real path tracing? 5? 10%? lol
Anonymous No.718662037 >>718662080
>>718658341
>league of legends
Anonymous No.718662078
>>718661620
>And you goyim still buy it.
nah, i don't. last games i bought on steam sale were glass masquerade, binding of isaac and witch spring r.
fuck buying aaa trash, can't even be fucked to pirate it
Anonymous No.718662080 >>718670771 >>718671152
>>718662037
>NOOO YOU CANNOT HAVE LOLI GF THAT LOVES PLAYING ARAM I AM LOSING MY MIND LOL DOTA IS BETTER
Anonymous No.718662693
>>718657109
So does LTSC, and i don't need to tinker with it at all or engage in retarded distro wars by proxy when i need some issues troubleshooted.
Anonymous No.718662749 >>718663412
>>718661845
I like it, it's the obvious logical conclusion in realtime graphics.

The problem is that it kind of looks like shit because of all the tricks we need to get it to run in realtime, which defeats the point in the first place.
We're just not there yet even on the 5090. Some real competitor need to step up and make some RT/PT accelerators hardware or as some new algo or optimization.
Nvidia is too busy with making LLMs run faster which is irrelevant to the kind of math PT does.
Anonymous No.718663262 >>718664435
>>718656528
>$1000
Just a bit short of a 5070ti here
Anonymous No.718663336
>>718655815 (OP)
That's what people get for accepting these retarded gimmicks.
Anonymous No.718663342
>>718659000
>You can't have destructible or movable objects with proper shadows if you prebake lighting.
nigga it's Resident Evil, not a fucking Battlefield
Anonymous No.718663412 >>718664181 >>718664720
>>718662749
>it's the obvious logical conclusion in realtime graphics.
ray tracing and path tracing are infamous for noise
Anonymous No.718664181 >>718664720
>>718663412
Because there is no hardware that can run it properly in realtime, and there won't be for next few decades. So we get all the noise and approximations and llms trying to filter it out and make it work, when the fucking thing shouldn't be even used in real time in the first place.
Anonymous No.718664435
>>718663262
it's just a midrange gpu
Anonymous No.718664720
>>718663412
That's what I meant by "tricks to get it to run in realtime" yes.
>>718664181
this
even on 3D softwares like blender the best denoisers are LLM based anyway, they can do a good job at cleaning up the noise without destroying image clarity, but like everything else you need enough samples first and we're not getting that in games anytime soon
Anonymous No.718664926 >>718665098 >>718665109
>>718660627
>not closely as prevalent back then as it is nowadays.
motherfucker games used to be sold broken and NEVER get fixed.
The vast majority of software was unpatched piles of shit that barely ran, get the fuck out with this fake nostalgia for better days.
most games have always been useless shit.
Anonymous No.718665098
>>718664926
>source: my ass
Anonymous No.718665109
>>718664926
>most games have always been useless shit
t.nujeet dev
Anonymous No.718665529
Games look worse than ever and even if I was a millionaire and could get a 5090 I would still stress out about it breaking my motherboard
Anonymous No.718666000 >>718670823
>>718656078
This unironically reads like a bot post simply because it is my writing style. I must've written enough on here for my style to be stolen.
Anonymous No.718666189
>>718660627
>different things
Yeah, that's why I said them both, separated by commas. What the fuck are you on about
Anonymous No.718666252 >>718674445
ITT: people with less than a 2060 having a victim complex because they're being left behind.
Anonymous No.718666448 >>718666515
>>718656078
>>718655815 (OP)
WELCOME TO THE 2030 AGENDA
And /v/ discovers that Jensen is with the WEF subhumans.
Anonymous No.718666515 >>718666802
>>718666448
>WEF
Way to expose yourself, Steamies schizo. Nobody cares about WEF or RIT here.
Anonymous No.718666802 >>718667008
>>718666515
How much they pa...
nvm you fags do it for free and ends up with a ai cock up the ass to cry out here later that your pc's and consoles cant run games at 60 or even muh cinematic 30 fps anymore.

Enjoy your future subscription in 2027-2028 to play games in higher def.
Anonymous No.718667008 >>718667923
>>718666802
Imagine being poor and projecting your pooritudositism on me.
Anonymous No.718667467
>>718656674
>businesses need to grantee returns for investors
Investors shouldn't be in the picture at all after a business delivers its first set of products and establishes itself. They should be obliged to pay back their debts as soon as possible then focus on applying their profit margins towards further growth.

This stock market nonstop speculation bullshit just encourages antisocial behavior on the part of both investors and business owners and you can't run a moral society on infinite debt forever. Burn the Talmud.
Anonymous No.718667923 >>718667980 >>718668102
>>718667008
>i-i-i
Nigga i have money to buy it more than you will ever image to have in your miserable poorfag life, i wont simply support any azkhenazi trickery for a bunch of old fags with wet dreams about Demolition Man's degenerate future they wish to have.

>>718656674
Fortunately for i, the crash is inevitable and these fags burning every ounce of benjamins to stop it isnt working anymore.
History always repeats itself
Anonymous No.718667980 >>718668104
>>718667923
Post Windows regional settings with timestamp. You won't because you're a South American Aryan Nation representative.
Anonymous No.718668102
>>718667923
Hahahahahahaha! Yeah, you have money to buy it all. Yeah right. Is that why you are arguing with people on 4chan of all places? Hahahahahaha! How fucking mad you became. Holy shit. Fucking loser.
Anonymous No.718668104 >>718668261
>>718667980
>Wanting to expose personal info at 4chan
hownu.ru zoomie?
Anonymous No.718668178
>>718656247
>every other single industry that has been flooded with streetshitters has gone down the toilet as a result, but I'm sure this one is different

enjoy getting decapitated by an 18 wheeler on the highway because the driver looked away from the road to sexually harass a 16th century painting of a nude woman posted on facebook
Anonymous No.718668261 >>718668361
>>718668104
Confirmed brown. Here's mine as a gesture of good will (a concept you don't understand, being an angry favela monkey).
Anonymous No.718668361 >>718668460
>>718668261
Changing windows regional settings is the easiest shit ever, and you aren't fooling nobody Rajesh.
Anonymous No.718668460 >>718668636
>>718668361
>liar assumes everyone else is dishonest as him
>double negative because he's dumb and doesn't speak American natively
>still won't post
Anonymous No.718668636 >>718669445
>>718668460
>just dox yourself
and people think internet ID will fail with normalfags lol
Anonymous No.718668974
>STALKER SoC could do real time lighting with fire that'd cast shadows from everything
>That was released in 2007
Anonymous No.718669445
>>718668636
>proven brown
>thinks my country is 40 feet (that's like 1000 milligrams or something) across like his
Well, they're certainly going to find me now that they know I'm on the east coast.
Anonymous No.718669992
>>718656748
>never buy a new GPU until your current one stops receiving driver updates
>Linux
How's that Radeon HD 2900 XT from 2007 treating you bro?
Anonymous No.718670374 >>718674884
>>718656078
noooo it's not the greedy corpos, it's the lefty sjws
Anonymous No.718670656 >>718674274
>>718655815 (OP)
IF the leaks are true AND the situation where nvidia cards are back to msrp remains, 5070ti super/5080 super look like absolute beast cards
>actually no upscaler 4k ready
>rt cuts 30% of performance instead of 50%(considering there will be extra 8gb of vram probably even less)
>good upscaler -> high quality upscaler AA/quality image
>future proofing with 24gb vram
>750/1000(1000/1250 for eu) bux a piece
Anonymous No.718670713
>>718656861
already did
Anonymous No.718670771
>>718662080
meds
Anonymous No.718670823
>>718666000
Trips of truth.
Anonymous No.718671152 >>718671253
>>718662080
The distinct difference between dota and lol player is that dota player fully understands that his game is a smelly piece of trash that no sane human should ever even install on his pc. Lol players don’t acknowledge that for some reason and think their game is made too be played by humans
Anonymous No.718671253 >>718671459
>>718671152
so you are telling me dota players are subhuman trash
i know
now fuck off
Anonymous No.718671459 >>718671615
>>718671253
Im simply telling you that you are delusional if you think lol players aren’t
Anonymous No.718671615
>>718671459
>your 14yo loli gf is subhuman trust me i am mexican peruvian nigger
fuck off moron
Anonymous No.718671626
Similar thing happened with 3d games in early 2000s: 3d was replacing 2d as the main technology, but artistically 3d was worse.

However, 3d was an improvement for 3-dimensional first- and third-person games, while physically accurate shadows and lighting aren't that crucial.
Anonymous No.718671829
>>718656571
because resolutions have to be dropped down by a LOT due to how demanding Raytracing is. Even rudimentary raytracing like Tim's Lumen (it's shit) not talking about Nvidia's Path-Traced RTX which is at cutting-edge with an extreme computational cost.
Anonymous No.718674274
>>718670656
Except the games look like asshole
Anonymous No.718674445
>>718666252
I have a 5060 Ti 16GB which I bought for AI slop, I'm a bit ashamed of supporting the RT bullshit and I really despise this direction. Definitely not buying anything with forced hardware RT. Peak planned obsolescence bullshit.
Anonymous No.718674884
>>718670374
Actually, it's greedy corpos via lefty sjws