Thread 718661172

>Full Windows 11 experience
Means best compatibility, non of that (trans)lation nonsense.
Runs the games PC gamers ACTUALLY want to play.
Non of that anti-cheat tripping.
> Xbox shell
Better for handheld & disables services and software running in the background, means better performance.
https://youtu.be/TsjQSopwvX8
This is going to give steam a run for it's money.
All it needs is good fucking marketing and being also sold on real stores (things valve doesn't do) like their xboxes and boom you BTFO valve.

>>718661172 (OP)
Based, steamies on suicide watch, if they didn't already ACK'ed themselves when Switch 2 outsold deck's entire lifetime sales in 3 days LMAO.

Companies pay for posts like these and genuinely believe it'll get you to buy their shit.

>>718661389
>Companies pay for posts like these and genuinely believe it'll get you to buy their shit.

Tendies have to side with Xbox now. Sad

>>718661389
I don't know. These posts are starting to make me want to sell my deck and buy the xbox handheld instead.

>>718661263
The switch 2 is not a real competitor, in the PC handheld space, it's a console that's not what PC gamers want.
>>718661550
>Tendies have to side with Xbox now. Sad
Are you retarded?

>>718661594
>I don't know. These posts are starting to make me want to sell my deck and buy the xbox handheld instead.
If your interest is getting to play games that are popular in the PC space and highly regarded, yes.

>>718661172 (OP)
Can we get xbox branded laptop instead? I just know those sticks would drift in 6 months

>>718661904
> I just know those sticks would drift in 6 months
Looks like fullsize sticks to me.

>>718661172 (OP)
>anti-cheat
If you play multiplayer games on a Windows tablet with WiFi you deserve to be hung.

>>718661172 (OP)
>This is going to give steam a run for it's money.
I wish. But this isn't guaranteed going to affect them in the short term or mid term I think. Anyway, that is to say the Steam Deck isn't more successful because there isn't any interest by Valve to make it largely available on retail stores around the world. And there isn't investment for SteamOS on Desktop. Instead Gabe is more interested in his next new yacht and some brain implant bullshit...

>>718661172 (OP)
>no trackpads so you're cucked out of your pc library except for consolefag trash
Shan't be buying.

>>718662201
There is nothing wrong with WIFI.
Wifi 5 and 6 have fixed this issue a long time ago.

>>718662201
I mean you're still dumb if you buy the shit in OP but
>2025
>At all thinking online gaming is unplayable over wifi
>When people used to play vidya online over fucking dialup
Though admittedly that last one I kinda understand, since there aren't any stateside Dial Up providers so that shit's high ping city.

>>718662363
>>Trackpads
>Laptop tier.
It's not the W you think it is.

>>718662429
If you at least aren't getting "cable" coaxial as part of your subscription then that's the problem and not wifi.

I take it back, I've realised that Windows on a handheld is fucking garbage. Also, I am a faggot.

>>718662650
Did you even watch the fucking YouTube video?
LGTM.

>>718661172 (OP)
>Steam deck BTFO'd?
>>Full Windows 11 experience
Aaaaand Steam Deck wins.

>>718662650
windows suck but you must be retarted if you think linux is a good alternative, you can't play thousand of games on linux without emulating windows. That's like saying xbox is better than playstation just because

>>718661172 (OP)
>Full W11 horseshit
Nigga, W11 is quite literally, and I'm speaking from an objective standpoint here, the least consumer-friendly, most "feature"-laden, most ugly in both form and function, and power-hungry operating system leading to horrible performance issues on any architecture limited by an on-board power supply.

If we forego all of the above, then simply from an operational standpoint it is one of the least attractive systems to gamers on the average. What gamers want, ABOVE ALL, in a handheld device is battery longevity. You claim it "disables services and software running in the background", but that couldn't be further from the truth once it get pushed out the factory doors. It will have every data-mining program available to it on-demand because those services are what allow it to be so cheap: they sell said data to advertisement companies in order to subsidize it's cost.

So what you're trying to sell here, my dear pajeet, is snakeoil. Go on and peddle this shit on twitter or reddit, but don't expect anyone here to fall for your bullshit.

>>718662745
>>718662736
>>718662801

>>718662289
>Anyway, that is to say the Steam Deck isn't more successful because there isn't any interest by Valve to make it largely available on retail stores around the world. And there isn't investment for SteamOS on Desktop.
SteamOS is not ready to be used by normalfags who don't even know what file directories are. The moment they get one game that doesn't have its control already perfectly mapped they'll throw a fit. Maybe that'll change with the Deck 2 and Valve will make a bigger push, or maybe Valve just waits for everyone else to make the hardware for them, who knows. But Valve is working on new Steam Machines with SteamOS, so that is basically SteamOS on desktop.

>>718662919
>The moment they get one game that doesn't have its control already perfectly mapped they'll throw a fit
The bigger block for mass normalfag casual SteamOS adoption is anti-cheat. A bunch of obscenely popular normalfag casualslop games use anti-cheat that explicitly forbids Linux. Until Valve can work around that, Proton and SteamOS are not ready for the prime time.

>>718662429
I refuse to play PC games without trackpad radial menus.
>>718662795
>proton is le bad
Firstly, it's a compatibility layer, not a emulator. Secondly your opinion is incredibly ironic considering old Windows games work better on the Linux vs Windows 11.

>>718662795
Other anon here. Proton has since made linux a much more viable alternative than it was back then (which it wasn't an alternative at all). I can say in my experience that it offers better compatibility with classic games (some that don't run on latest Windows versions, just run on Linux), and in some cases I can get better FPS than WIndows (FFXIV seems to have better performance in crowded areas, for example). However, the lack of support from Nvidia for Linux still seems to make things in favor of Windows in general at the moment.

>>718663246
>Firstly, it's a compatibility layer, not a emulator. Secondly your opinion is incredibly ironic considering old Windows games work better on the Linux vs Windows 11.
If I cared to buy old games, I would run run them on an old PC (winXP,Win95 and etc) they will run better there.

>>718661172 (OP)
>worse battery life
>worse performance
>shit ui
>now with more spying and telemetry
based wintards

>>718661172 (OP)
>no OLED
Pass

>>718662795
You have no clue what you're talking about.

>>718661389
I don't know. These posts are starting to make me want to sell my asshole to Indian bull from Microsoft

Still happy with my Deck but I'm glad there are more options in the PC handheld space now

>>718662919
>or maybe Valve just waits for everyone else to make the hardware for them, who knows
That's what they've already been doing for quite some years now.
>But Valve is working on new Steam Machines with SteamOS, so that is basically SteamOS on desktop.
That works on that specific hardware they're devoloping. I don't think it's enough to compete with Windows. This has also been going on for a while now.
Basically what you've confirmed is that it needs more investment on both fronts I mentioned.

>>718663631
I want something else so I can run windows on it so I can read my visual novels in bed.

>>718663631
This. Zero interest in this thing and love my Deck, but competition on PC is good.

>>718663348
>run better
It literally runs exactly same on DOSBOX, even better considering since you're not using a HDD.

>>718662919
>or maybe Valve just waits for everyone else to make the hardware for them, who knows
And also, I don't think they should just wait. If they don't want to manufacture the hardware themselves, they should actively search for a partner to mass produce a machine for that, and offer software support from their side. But Valve's stance has been quite passive on that.

>>718661172 (OP)
they should hire that dick-on-deck guy to do their marketing

>>718663631
just sell it

>>718663996
>DOSBOX
Not really, but since you are bringing up DOSBOX, that shit runs on windows too so your point?

>>718664054
I think they should at least wait until the anti-cheat problem is solved. Otherwise that severely neuters its mass casual audience appeal.
A big reason is also Valve is extremely tight knit and tiny relative to how big their name is and how much money they make. They only have like 350 employees and have an extremely strict hiring process. Hardware production is a huge venture. We had to wait like a year just for everyone who ordered a Deck to initially to get one. They don't have the capacity or means right now to load up retailer shelves and create huge advertising campaigns.

Im hoping for the xbox rog ally x to release because this is the THIRD time I cannot play a new game on my shitty steam deck.
wanted to play wuchang because its level design is supposedly like ds1, and thats the only souls i actually like. but the game is just horrible on the steam deck, and before that I wanted indiana jones and the circle, and before that and it might have been the worst gaming experience I have ever witnessed, and before that I managed to eek through a pirated copy of expedition 33 that was only barely running with a fuck ton of tinkering and tweaking to the lighting system with mods.

Theres also little things like the fact that the steam deck fan is on top so I cant play under the blanket, lest it become a sauna. And I got the deck near release so I still have the 64 gb, and people say "just change the SSD!!!" but I have to buy specific accompanying tools with that. And besides the storage problems exists in this limbo where its annoying enough to want to change, but still functional enough that I dont want to bother with opening up my deck and risking bricking it.

So all of this combined. Tell me one reason I shouldn't ditch the shit deck?

>>718664410
All of these are very good points.

>>718664410
lossless upscaling

>>718664247
Agreed that the anti-cheat stuff also needs addressing. That one could be tricky unfortunately, as they probably sniff for shit in the Windows kernel and Windows specific drivers.
As for making that hardware, if their policy is that strict, all the more reason they need make the effort to get a partner to make the hardware for them. If they do not pursue this, then they do have to review that policy. Or scrap what they've been trying to do with SteamOS and Steam Deck.

>>718664410
yeah but how long would this handheld be future proof for?

>>718664410
>heres also little things like the fact that the steam deck fan is on top so I cant play under the blanket, lest it become a sauna.
kek

>>718664410
gyro!?

>>718664593
Linux had a solution for running windows drivers on linux it's called NDISWrapper I wonder If they can somehow make anti-cheat work using techniques like that or just scrap Linux and build of reactOS (unlikely, but a better idea) I think Microsoft is going to win here.

>>718664593
They won't scrap it and they shouldn't scrap it. They're just going by Valve time. Slow and steady. It worked wonders for them with regular PCs.

>>718664907
It's not that anti-cheats can't run. Proton is capable of running just about everything at this point. It's when a dev/publisher explicitly forbids the anti-cheat from running on Linux because Linux innately prevents it from operating on the kernel level that's the problem. The problem is anti-cheats, not Linux. Kernel level shit is absolutely cancer and a huge security risk.

>>718664550
Yes. I know because based on how retards talk about steam deck in this thread I realized I am the only one who actually uses it borderline daily for a very wide array of games. I have retards in this dumb fucking thread jerking themselves off to knowing what "file directories" are as if they invented the knowledge they use, like theyre not subhuman normies relative to the people who actually know this shit and as if youtube doesnt exist and communities never exist to solve problems the average person may not be aware of.

I will say, while trackpads are mega overrated and Id almost never use them for games like Factorio because even then the precision isnt really enough.

They definitely were more useful personally for games like deus EX and System Shock (classic) than Joystick was. So I guess that could be a problem, but at the same time Ive also already played those games and havent used the trackpads in like a year so I really dont know how meaningful they are.

Its one of those points where I guess its a toss up and I could understand the preference for somebody who plays a lot of games that need it but...honestly I dont know what type of person is using trackpads frequently on the deck. What games are being played for it?

>>718661172 (OP)
>Means best compatibility
Huh

>>718664186
My actual point >>718663246 was that older games made for Windows (e.g. PROTOTYPE) worked better on SteamOS better than Windows 11 (PROTOTYPE on Win 11 requires DLL fuckery while Proton just werks).

>>718665101
>It's not that anti-cheats can't run. Proton is capable of running just about everything at this point. It's when a dev/publisher explicitly forbids the anti-cheat from running on Linux because Linux innately prevents it from operating on the kernel level that's the problem. The problem is anti-cheats, not Linux. Kernel level shit is absolutely cancer and a huge security risk.
That's NOT true and you know, this it's that there is no compatibility layer for anti-cheat running in kernel level, if it did then a lot more companies would try this approach rather then having to block Linux because it cannot provide integrity.

>>718665378
It either operates at a kernel level or it doesn't and nobody should want it to operate at a kernel level. It's the kernel level anti-cheats that need to change.

I'm not buying anything portable until something happens to solve the battery situation.
>5 hr battery
Miss me with that gay shit.

I can barely stomach cellphones as it is.

>>718665658
>It either operates at a kernel level or it doesn't and nobody should want it to operate at a kernel level. It's the kernel level anti-cheats that need to change.
Here is there problem, you people and valve are preventing devs form doing what they want and then inadvertently hurting your platform, Microsoft will allow this, so it's over.

>>718664948
>They're just going by Valve time. Slow and steady. It worked wonders for them with regular PCs.
That was in a field where there was no competition at the time (PC digital game market stores). In this case, slow and steady just makes them sailing on the backside of Windows ship I'm afraid. I don't think there's another way but to be more aggressive to an extent about this unfortunately.
>>718664907
You make an interesting case here. I have never tried reactOS, but perhaps it could be a better alternative than Linux for this.

>>718665872
>I have never tried reactOS, but perhaps it could be a better alternative than Linux for this.
It's not, it's an Poorly XP era windows reverse engineering project that lacks funding. if ReactOS got the funding it needed then there would be a very good windows alternative that literally is windows.

Windows is dead, let it go.

>>718665867
>you people and valve are preventing devs form doing what they want
Devs don't want this shit either. It's publishers being assholes.
>Microsoft will allow this, so it's over.
Microsoft doesn't want to allow this either. Remember the huge Crowdstrike bullshit that bricked millions of PCs? Microsoft is making changes to prevent kernel level access, starting with antivirus software.

>>718661172 (OP)
The issue with the Ally will be the price. Youre probably better off getting the oled deck if the Ally isnt priced decently.

Xbox lly x is just a slight upgrade to the prior Ally x. I'll probably get one if it has decent test reviews and is priced undsr $900, otherwise I'll get a claw.

>>718665872
>>718666004
Why I am saying this is because, it would be a compete windows clone if done right. And that's the most compatible solution and what people actually want form windows users to gamers and sys-administrators.

>>718666221
>Microsoft doesn't want to allow this either. Remember the huge Crowdstrike bullshit that bricked millions of PCs? Microsoft is making changes to prevent kernel level access, starting with antivirus software.
Well they have to allow it, the EU said so, so if these companies want to use the kernel Microsoft can't block them, Microsoft is hoping they will in good faith use Microsoft exclave thing.

>>718666004
>if ReactOS got the funding it needed then there would be a very good windows alternative that literally is windows.
Well, that's precisely where Valve could step in.

>>718666283
Yeah, I see where you're going with that.

>>718666585
>Well, that's precisely where Valve could step in.
Yeah but they are cheap, that's why they went with linux and not reactOS because they can take open source code that's already there, react OS is alpha quality and linux is mature in the server world only.

>>718661172 (OP)
>Full Windows 11 experience
>now you can corrupt your ssd, in handheld mode!
amazing

>>718666273
Deck Oled isnt able to run Indiana Jones either, so if the Xbox Ally is the same price, its definitely better.

>>718666754
On that, you're probably correct.

>>718666873
Seething steamie

>>718666873
Miss-information.

>>718661263
>Tendies so fucking triggered by deck they are even shilling other umpcs
LMAO
M
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>>718661550
Tendies constantly change sides, before they were PCfags ally, in deck threads suddenly they are idorts who own a ps5 and Xbox too

>>718666406
>the EU said random software and video games need kernel level access and huge security and privacy risks
Somehow I doubt that.

>>718667952
>>718668035
Get your fanboyism out of here, we already had this discussion with the guy, so no need for repeat.

>>718661263
You are too stupid to realize your "enemy" is pc, not a deck. At the end of the day, the deck and every other handheld pc still poses a huge existential threat to the future of nintendo's only remaining hardware line. The more handheld PCs there are, the worse it's going to get for them.

>>718668154
>T-Two more weeks!
Switch 2 first month already outsold all the handheld PC lifetime sales COMBINED, lmao.

>>718668062
https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/22/windows_crowdstrike_kernel_eu/

>>718668154
>huge existential threat
No it doesn't the people who want a console buy a console, you are delusional to not understand this.
PC gamers want an open platform, console gamers want a walled garden and it's benefits (exclusivity).

>>718668154
>>718668479
Gacha games already mogged both. You retards are just fighting for the few remaining boomers too dumb to upgrade to a modern iphone.

>>718661172 (OP)
No trackpads xD

>>718668564
0/10 bait, try again.
The reason to game on a phone is because the cheaper upfront cost and accessibility, thinking the phone will take over everything is stupid as at least looking at stats like statcounter you see both moving up and down and don't see a total PC collapse (yes mobile has a bigger market share in total **internet usage** but you don't see the line keep going down) and also I have been around other people and the kiddies still want a switch, don't know about xbox and playstation, it's likely because they aren't handheld that kiddies don't like 'em.

>>718664180
Don't need or want to

>>718668783
NTA but this would be a deal breaker for me

>>718661172 (OP)
>another paid advertising asus thread

>>718661172 (OP)
>This is going to give steam a run for it's money.
$999

>>718670139
White people can afford that, unlike poorjet steamies.

>>718661172 (OP)
The only good thing about it running Windows is the ability to install mods, unofficial patches etc with minimal fuckery, but
>no trackpads
means it's a non-starter
2/10, apply yourself, ASUS

>>718668783
>>>718661172 (OP) (OP)
>No trackpads xD
I really don't get this take, people I have know HATE trackpads on laptop. Suddenly when valve resells it it's like the gods meal.

>>718670628
A mouse (which you can use on a laptop) is better than a trackpad, but a trackpad is better than no trackpad

Microsoft is going to quietly drop support for this in about 2 years and everyone who buys one will have a brick + shit after purchase support because ASUS will be handling your inquiries.

>>718661263
You say this when you would be begging for steam fags support if a Xbox portable was popular, you opportunist indian

>>718663507
Looks like I struck a nerve.

>>718665241
Why would I want to play that game? It looks like shit.

>>718667685
>says the wangblows fanboy

>>718670805
Mircoshaft has very little to do with this thing outside of letting Asus use their Xbox branding.

I bought Ally X and immediately installed Linux

Well it's just a PC handheld, what about console library? Big Philly said something about streaming but what's the library for that like and is that not available on desktop PCs as well?

>>718672623
how do you like it anon?

>>718672948
25th anniversary xbox emulation...

... never ever

>>718670805
Its just a rog ally x with xbox handles. Nothing more nothing less. Just put bazzite on it and you have a more powerful steamdeck. The price is absurd though, to with the normal rog ally x which is regularly found on discount.

>>718673652
If you want to install a game from Steam it works perfectly. If you want to install a game from outside Steam it varies from "Fuck it'd better be worth it" to "I regret being born". If you install 50 games and then never play any of them it's going to suck, but if you install one game and then play it for 50 hours then it's great. All in all, it's a very useful device, because when I'm visiting family I can just play vidya instead of talking to them. Big battery is definitely a plus. Oh, the triggers squeak. Feels weird. Also, I wish it had an OLED screen, because 120Hz is totally fucking useless on a portable device.

>>718674518
>when I'm visiting family I can just play vidya instead of talking to them