Thread 718681408

>MiSTer FPGA
>RetroTINK 4k
>Sony A95L 77" OLED
Yeeeep, it's time for gaming

Why does this make poorfags seethe so much?

>>718681408 (OP)
lol snake-oil for retards
audiophile shit all over again

>>718681408 (OP)
>Why does this make poorfags seethe so much?
I collect Saturn games, you're the poorfag

>>718681408 (OP)
>>MiSTer FPGA
>emulators full of bugs ported to VHDL
>same rendering bugs that PC emulators have for some strange reason
>less features, more energy usage, and even slower than modern CPUs
>can't hook it up to your NAS and store all your games and saves across every system
I'll just stick with my PC thanks tho.

>>718681408 (OP)
are you getting paid to do this?

>>718683559
>I'll stick to something worse
Ok

>>718683559
All the main cores are as accurate or moreso than even the most accurate software emulators. Even in the most thorough comparisons with original hardware, you cannot find any difference. For example, it's one of only a couple emulators to perfectly pass the AGS Aging Cartridge test 100% and the only to achieve 100% in scsptest.

It has standardized hardware that provides a consistent experience for everyone, and has the largest development effort so is consistently getting even better everyday.

>>718681408 (OP)
>$750 scam box
Instead of buying that scam box, how about you give me the money instead.

Mister is just overpriced snake oil garbage. It's using the ancient Altera Cyclone V FPGA which is based on a 28nm process meaning it costs Mister about the same as the SoC in Chinkhelds that are being sold for $50-$100. Then they're selling you "add-ons" like $100 for 128MB of RAM and analog to digital converters on a device that could have them built-in in the first place. You are being milked so hard gacha whales ask if everything's fine with you.
If you don't want to use emulators and want an FPGA based device then Analogue is selling a device with far more powerful FPGA inside and built-in digital out for $250. With Mister you are paying literally quadruple of that to have inferior hardware and a bunch of junk connected together in an extremely ghetto way when in reality all of that hardware can fit into a tiny sleek case. You are the retard who bought Sega 32X CD and is coping by calling SNES buyers poorfags.
Remember anons you might be a retard, you might even be a retarded niggerfaggot but you'll never be the retarded niggerfaggot that paid $750 for bicubic upscaling like OP did. Take solace in that.

>>718681408 (OP)
>no S-video input
Trash

Sorry, I play on real hardware with a CRT.

>>718681408 (OP)
you can just make your own MIster with a raspberry pie

>>718684741
>like $100 for 128MB of RAM and analog to digital converters on a device that could have them built-in in the first place
Not only can both add-ons be found for much lower than that, they have no affiliation with Terasic. Straight up Dunning-Kruger poorfag melty.

>>718684013
>hardware revision fails the meme test
lol lmao
if you're a purist just buy original hardware and hdmi in
you're making some insane argument that fpga is accurate enough despite not being 100% accurate but emulators are *just* not accurate enough to meet some autistic criteria (in reality they meet them anyway)
you're already at the stage of placebo why not go all the way in? if you want the convenience of fpga but emulation is icky because it doesn't satisfy your autism okay fair enough but why spend close to a grand on an upscaler that costs $10 to manufacture and has zero R&D costs because the methods it's using have been developed before the company even existed
it's not like an rtx 5090 where the hardware itself is extremely expensive to manufacture (750 mm2 of a bleeding edge node)
this is literally over a decade old tech with a 75x margin

>>718684743
It has S-video retard. Why are you so ignorant?

>>718683559
>more energy usage
this is how i know you're brown when you think a DE-10 uses more power than a PC, lmfao

>>718685098
Please elaborate why Mister is asking so much $$$ for a tiny 28nm chip? You cannot because you are a tech illiterate worm who doesn't even understand what I'm talking about. You are such disgustingly retarded cattle a normie would pity you for how gullible you are.
You are fully aware each thread like this you make will be met with extreme hostility and there's no reason to make them unless you have a humiliation fetish and enjoy people likening your intelligence to that of a bug.

>>718684013
>https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/GBA_Tests
>objectively less accurate than software emulators
lol, nice try shill

>>718686241
>Please elaborate why Mister is asking so much $$$ for a tiny 28nm chip?
MiSTer is free software that runs on the DE10-Nano board by Terasic. One second of research would tell you this, I'm sure any AI would tell you this.

>>718682302
this, cannot believe people actually buy this shit
for that kind of money just buy the actual retro console instead of a glorified emulator

>>718681408 (OP)
buy an ad faggot

>>718686241
>retard thinks the mister project sells de-10s

god i fucking hate brownoids

>>718686307
>meme tests literally made by emu shills specifically for their emulator to pass just so they can shill it, that even some real GBAs fail the test
compared to
>Nintendo's own internal test for testing their own hardware that all GBA models pass
Fuck off retard.

>>718686307
>>718684013
big oof energy right there, you retards can't even get a fucking GBA core running properly and you're trying to claim that this is a better experience than just running it on standardized (common CPUs that everyone can get by just walking into Best Buy) hardware. You shills are just clowning around now. I'm going to point my emulators to my 30 TB NAS and enjoy every single game ever released without needing to fuck around with copying files like some pleb.

>>718686668
The program was also made by a really ugly tranny (redundant, I know)

>>718686812
You don't play games.

>>718684741
The MisterPi and Superstation actually fix these problems by making the platform very affordable. Not only that, but it seems like the Superstation will be able to play games off the disc too so its not just ripping files.

>>718686668
>meme tests
nice cope, but if mister was accurate it'd still pass.
>Nintendo's own internal test for testing their own hardware that all GBA models pass
that's also in there, and the accuracy focused emus pass every test

>>718686359
>glorified emulator

found the retard

>>718685698
>to meet some autistic criteria
Its pretty clear that the core difference is "not having additional input/audio lag like software emulators", there's nothing autistic or intangible about that. Rhythm games are not even playable on software emulators.

>>718686359
I'm about to buy one because you can use them as GPU pass throughs and connect your PC to a CRT TV. I know about emudriver but I have a 7800 XT, I'm not willing to swap over to Nvidia just so I can get some shitty ATI card working properly. I'm doing this to play old pc games and indies with settings made for CRTs so don't get pissy about emulation faggot.

I would recommend buying a PS4 or a Nintendo, most games are available on the store and I haven't encountered any bugs while playing. Maybe a mini SNES instead.

I think it's dumb to sell an FPGA board instead of making a real circuit board and getting the memory, CPU etc to match the original console.

>>718683559
How did he do it ? Reverse engineering one core would already take months.

>>718686359
>for that kind of money just buy the actual retro console instead of a glorified emulator
this

>>718681408 (OP)
Imagine being 750 dollarydoos for a box that does retroarch filters.

>>718683559
Explain the 'NAS' meme.

>>718687986
Imagine being retarded and seething about something you have not even the slightest concept of what it does.

>/v/ thinks this is $750
LMAO

>>718688130
That's exactly what it does though.
What kind of faggot would pay that just to connect your consoles to a box that adds filters before it displays it on your tv. You're a fucking absolutely brain damaged cuck if you actually paid that.

>>718688310
>$750
MAYBE IN AUSTRALIA LMAO

Imagine spending $1000 because you're too stupid to emulate

>>718688391
Again, you are retarded and have no idea what the Retrotink 4k does. But keep seething about some imaginary scenario you made up in your head.

>>718688630
Ok shill, do what you're paid for, tell us what this magical device does

>>718688391
The Mister can also do filters so I promise you that's not the reason why people buy the retrotink. Now why anyone would buy the premium version over the CE is beyond me. Most people don't utilize all the features it comes with and the CE is basically just the retrotink with all the features everyone actually uses.

>>718688073
>every game ever released
>10 gbit network connection
>3000 dollars starting

>>718686307
>spend $500
>get something that's worse than an emulator and can't even do fucking GBA accurately
Calling this snakeoil is an insult to snakeoil.

>>718688665
https://youtu.be/_KUxCUtSiI4?t=98

>>718681408 (OP)
>only 77

The GBA was fucking shit I don't know why everyone is nitpicking over that one.

>>718681408 (OP)
I bought the pro5 instead no way in hell im paying $750 for a upscaler. pro 5 is good enough anyways.

>>718689150
OP is the one who brought it up as a prime example of FPGAs accuracy >>718684013

>>718681408 (OP)
it's midwit bait, they are essentially emulators running at hardware level, no advantages whatsoever
>muh input lag
you can go lower than native with PC emulators

>>718689470
midwit post

>>718688073
put a server rack in basement, store all game roms/iso and saves on the nas as well as movies/anime/tv. plug it into router and network your consoles and tvs as well. Now you can basically stream anywhere in the house, you dont need to manage storage on a bunch of sd cards and internal hdds that are bound to fail faster than the nas.
I do this with my ps3, xbox 360, pc games, etc. I stream game iso with netiso and ps3netserver, i also have jellyfin and steam links on all my tvs so I can stream any game or video I want to any room in my house.

>>718689470
they are for people that want to use original hardware and have modern tv's. Its fine if you want to use emulators. Just stop trying to push emulators on everyone.

>>718681408 (OP)
$750 for an upscaler is simply a scam. And you are better RGB modding all your consoles or just going emulation if you want to play on a modern screen anyway. It's such a stupid product for low IQ retards.

>>718689150
Because it's an easy, lightweight console to emulate or simulate. The fact that the FPGA cores are shit at it is a huge red flag.

>>718681408 (OP)
Miss me with that shit. I got the consoles and games instead.
Gamecube + Gameboy Player + Flippy Drive + CRT with scart cable.
Yep, it's shiny hunting time baby!!!

>>718689701
>shit at it
>one of only like 3 emus that 100% pass AGS Aging Cartridge
>literally completely indecipherable compared to original hardware with any game even comparing the tiniest of details
lol, you are such a retard

>>718689631
OP mentioned FPGAs. They aren't original hardware, not even close. Learn how they work before spouting marketing material. And upscalers are also retarded, retro games will look like shit on a modern TVs no matter what, just get a $20 CRT if you were stupid enough to throw yours away or emulate since you can at least mitigate that.

>>718689941
Scalers are good for video capture.

>>718689696
I don't think it's a scam, the guy that made it just recognizes that most people that collect video games either have money or are willing to spend the money on something like it. A lot of the times the only reason people buy and play games on retro consoles is because they are either too stupid or too lazy to setup an emulator they want the option that "just works" and the retrotink does just that.

>>718689631
>they are for people that want to use original hardware
>by not using original hardware
wut

>>718689941
retro games look great on 4k TVs, or you can use any of the extensive and highly detailed 4k shaders

>>718681408 (OP)
the input lag of that tv is too high, especially for an Oled is just way too high. 16ms is ridiculous. Sony tv's suck for gaming, they are only for watching movies.

>>718690024
idk what fpgatards don't get about the fact people like to play with the real hardware because they want to play on a real console and everything that entails. They're just next generation pitards.

>>718690093
16ms is middle of the screen measurement, which 8ms is basically the lowest you can get and what a CRT would be.

So it's only 8ms more lag CRT, not even a half frame.

>>718689941
I didnt notice that. I thought he was just using a upscaler on a tv. well yeah thats just retarded then just emulate at that point.

>>718689831
based-a bappetiy boopity paisano

>>718689987
If they have money, they can get a fucking TV or RGB/HDMI mod their consoles. No amount of post processing will unfuck composite input.

>>718690061
The input image is shit and the shaders are way simpler than the ones you find on emulators. These things are for lazy and stupid people, simple as that.

>>718689846
>it's perfect, literally gate-level replication!
>ok it's not perfect but it's still better than emulators!
>ok it's not better than emulators, but at least it's cheaper than buying a PC!
>ok you can get a mini PC that runs old games better than this, but at least you get buyer's remorse with the FPGA!

>>718688391
>scaling is filters
kek
Embarrassing.

>>718689846
These tests mean fuck all, specially if your target is solely passing them. Sloop, one of the emulators that passes AGS is fucking shit compared to mGBA, for example. Accuracy is not the same as compatibility.
>literally completely indecipherable compared to original hardware with any game even comparing the tiniest of details
Their extensive issues tracker disagrees.

>>718681408 (OP)
I play/emulate Everything on PC
why would i need that?

>>718690496
>it's perfect, literally gate-level replication!
no one ever said this, nor does this even offer any benefit whatsoever and is totally infeasible to run at anything above like .1fps on software emulators

>ok it's not perfect but it's still better than emulators!
Yes, it's true, especially for console like Saturn and N64 for which software emus are dogshit, while MiSTer is damn near perfect.

>>718689846
>>one of only like 3 emus that 100% pass AGS Aging Cartridge
>fpgatard can't even count

>>718690721
uh uh uhm uh ah uhm
u-ur not a real gamer

>>718690417
>The input image is shit
...? Just because it's 240p or 480p doesn't mean it's shit you fucking moron.

>the shaders are way simpler than the ones you find on emulators
no the fuck they aren't. It's one of the robust shader implementation out there with thousands of custom made shaders from the community.

Quintessential ignorant zoomer post.

>>718688816
>Using df on zfs datasets

>>718681408 (OP)
For me its
> Sony A8 II

>>718690721
You don't need anything. You don't even need to play at all if you didn't notice. The question is why would you want that and that's a question only you can answer because it's subjective.

>>718690979
that's a lot easier and more useful I'm glad I typed out the extra characters to use zfs instead

>>718688816
TrueNAS?
i wanna build a proper NAS but good HDDs are still expensive
how much did you spend for 32T?

>>718690708
MiSTer GBA core has 100% compatibility and functions completely identical to original hardware and even in the most detailed of comparisons you will not find any difference. That's the key difference.

>>718691576

It also shows completely wrong information for ZFS datasets, proving that you have no idea what you're doing, and that's before you try using 'zfs get all' instead of 'zfs list' as a replacement. Also bitching about typing too much instead of using aliases, lmao.

To be clear, the shills here pushing multiple-benjamin hardware emulators are definitely retarded, but this is 4chan, so you don't get let off the hook either.

>>718691690
>you will not find any difference.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/GBA_MiSTer/issues/79

Seriously asking, why don't just get the actual hardware? It's not like we will run out of NES or Famicom anytime soon?

>>718692008
It's literally the same. I don't use compression or dedup because it's 30 terabytes, why would I bother I'll never fill that much storage up.

>>718692064
Every one of these """issues""" is a bad dump or using optional features that may cause minor issues in accuracy (and state as such)

Wow sirs beautiful emulator, totally worth few hundreds dollars when my PC does the same shit for free.

>>718692276
So the developers of the core who debugged the issue and confirmed it don't know what they're talking about?

>>718692241
I bought the consoles I wanted I use the mister to connect my PC to a CRT TV and to try out games on consoles/PCs I have never heard of.

>>718692441
He's probably just giving him the benefit of the doubt. I just tested it though and no bug

>>718691585
I have 5 Toshiba N300 12TB drives in there in raidz2. I don't remember what I paid for them way back then. It's in some QNAP 5 HDD+4 SSD NAS that I stuck my own LFS install on. I picked the QNAP because it had ECC support for the Ryzen processor and motherboard and I didn't want to fuck around with getting a custom built system working properly with that. I pulled the eMMC storage module or whatever it was off the motherboard and used USB boot instead. I got 64 GB of MMC SODIMM memory from the dumpster at work so that's why I picked that QNAP NAS.
There are 256 TB SSDs coming out, so hopefully these drives will last long enough for cheap used enterprise drives to show up on ebay so I can replace it.

>>718692665
>He's probably just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
How is
>This game reads the VCOUNT register at rom address 800174E at the beginning of every line in an HBlank IRQ. The CPU sometimes reads the VCOUNT register too early (in the HBlank of the previous line) so the game does not get the value it expects.
"giving him the benefit of the doubt"? The dev literally debugged the game, checking the memory addresses and found an error, recreating the issue.
You're such a fucking disingenuous fuck, holy fuck.

>>718692259
I'm wondering if df has seen some improvements in recent years wrt ZFS. Still, I would not rely on it. Should you end up using snapshots (and you should be) or clone datasets the water will muddy rather quickly. As for compression, any data that can be compressed should, as CPUs are fast enough that the decompression time is less than the I/O time spent transferring the uncompressed file.

>I'll never fill that much storage up
You're 30TB deep and you haven't learned yet?

>>718693039
Like I said, he was just spitballing what could maybe cause that. The bug never even existed, just tested it

>>718693319
>You're 30TB deep and you haven't learned yet?
When I built this I couldn't even imagine using more than a terabyte of storage. My main desktop had a 250 GB HDD. Now you have 8 TB NVME drives and games are over 100 gigabytes, everything is all fucked and retarded.

Oh boy, time for another MiSSes LGBT thread!

>>718693734
>he was just spitballing what could maybe cause that.
He was just spitballing the exact address and the incorrect register in it? Come the fuck on.
>The bug never even existed, just tested it
Sure thing buddy, then why don't you go ahead and post in that issue tracker that the main dev himself who posted in and said the timing was off, doesn't need to rewrite part of the core.

Honest question, do you really think anyone reading any one of these spam threads you constantly makes sees you anything other than a lying piece of shit? And do you really think that will help the adoption of misters?