Thread 718693115

Nioh thread?
Playing the first one again and have no idea what weapon is useful. They all seem like they're missing something. So far the only one that doesn't feel terrible is dual katana but that still lacks range.

>>718693115 (OP)
ur saying u dont nioh which weapon to use?

>>718693115 (OP)
1's katana is 2's fists.

>>718693115 (OP)
Nioh 3 getting casualized and dumbed down killed the IP and Franchise even before releasing, fuck Team Ninja and Fuck Nioh 3.

>>718693115 (OP)
>They all seem like they're missing something
If you've been playing Nioh 2 that's normal. Every weapon got extra moves so going back when you've gotten used to the additions will give that sensation.
All the weapons are good and perfectly useable. I personally find 1Kat, Kusa, Tonfa and Odachi to be the most enjoyable, but they're all just good.

>>718694774
>Nioh 3 getting casualized and dumbed down
How lmao

I'm actually just getting back into Nioh 1 and I was revising and fixing up my old builds. I was wondering if inheriting the gloves' Attack +x bonus is that noticeable towards your damage output, since at its highest roll it's about 55pts a piece and your weapons get attack ratings that easily dwarf the bonus. I'm also just having a hard time letting go of inheritable Running Speed on the rest of the gear since running as fast as a sprint by default is too enjoyable

>>718694774
I don't care at all, it will be the first time I do a day 1 purchase in like a decade

>>718693168
KEK

>>718696040
I'll pre order. I bought a new pc the week the trailer dropped

>>718694774
>Nioh 3 getting casualized and dumbed down
This literally never happened. They only added even more mechanics to the game.

how does Hide's dad not realize he's his son?

>>718693115 (OP)
Game is way too complex
Builds and item management are way too difficult
Unfair electric Nue boss
Anything else?

>>718696518
>Anything else?
Its incredibly fun

>>718696518
>Unfair electric Nue boss
Man, I remember the threads when the beta released when peeps were still struggling with Nue. Those were the days

>>718693115 (OP)
use the odachi

Tbh Katana for humans and Odachi/Tonfa for Yokai is probably the easiesy way to play. Those things shred Ki

Beta when????

OP here
I did play Nioh 2 before so am a bit spoiled on the new moves I suppose

I'd try tonfa but worry without kannagi it'll play terrible
Odachi seems fun but no idea how to play it against yokai. It seems very float for very little effectiveness

>>718695469
>>718696242
open-world time wasting slop, 50% of weapons locked to Ninja Style which doesn't have weapon stances and humanoid enemies are much less aggressive and don't attack you anymore when they outnumber you like they do in Nioh 1 and Nioh 2, their AI got casualized, intentionally.

Then we have the alpha feedback report:

- Adjust gimmicks and enemies that were unreasonably difficult.
- Make the motions for using Elixirs faster.
- Make highly requested adjustments while maintaining the tension of encounters with formidable enemies. (they are lying here, highly requested means dumbing it down, tension won't be maintained, it will be reduced)
- Make adjustments to the performance of some overpowered enemies.
- Reduce the HP for some overpowered enemies.
- Reduce the target tracking abilities of enemies to make it possible to flee from them.
- Improve replayability by making it possible for players to fully recover from Life Corrosion when their Guardian Spirits return to their side.
- Make it possible to recover from Life Corrosion by using Elixirs via the effects of Jizo Blessings.
- Decrease the speed of Scampusses just after they have moved.

I sure love easy games, thanks team ninja for ruining the nioh franchise and making it just another trash franchise in a sea of garbage.

I am not buying this garbage, nor will I buy any future games by team ninja, sell out pussies.

>>718700206
A wall of cope to cry about a game that isn't out

>>718701835
the alpha demo and the alpha feedback report tell me everything I need to know.

>>718700206
Sounds to me like you're a whiny bitch that never cared for the series to begin with.

>>718693115 (OP)
>>718693115 (OP)
I started tonfas and they are fucking magnificent

>>718694774
if they don't remove body type shit I'm not buying
simple as

>>718699950
Odachi is very good at breaking Ki and has Cuckoo's Call as a counterattack move after any attack. It's not Bolting Boar, but you can get a lot of mileage out of the "your combo is now my combo" button.
And with no Ki on a Yokai you can spam Moonlit Snow with impunity

>>718702802
That would be you, you consumerist faggot. Nioh 3 is nothing like Nioh 1 and Nioh 2.

>>718703075
You weren't going to buy anyway

>>718704343
I find that hard to believe if you're having a meltdown over those feedback results.

wukong is unresponsive shit

>>718696469
ugly face

>>718700206
Any nerfs are only going to affect NG which is the fake game anyway. Some other things like the open world and ninja style might be problems (or not, we'll see how they're implemented in the full game) but I distinctly remember people talking about yokai abilities and burst counters RUINING Nioh 2 and casualizing it into oblivion during the beta threads, so I can't take that stuff seriously here.

>>718696469
The massive fake tits distract from the face a little too much

>>718707764
They're not entirely wrong. Yokai abilities make Ki management a nonissue

>>718708290
Even if it made ki management easier (debatable given flux already existing and the new dark realm) it upped the skill ceiling and made the game way more fun. I haven't played the demo but people were saying yokai abilities are consumables now too so in theory doesn't that make the game harder then? I hope there's a way to build for them to play like 2 tho.

>>718708932
I wonder. I get the feeling that they want to give each Nioh its own identity, what with 1 having Living Weapon, 2 Yokai Shift and Abilities and now 3 having Ninja Mode. Could be that ninja mode was a deliberate move to separate 3 from the shiftling gameplay

>>718700206
You ever considered that you're just angry and hateful? You don't hate Nioh 3, you hate yourself.

>>718693115 (OP)
>dual katana
Sign of the cross (fast) is something that's effective from range. I also like Cherry Blossom and God of Wind

I'm finding Night Rain much more combersome to use than Iai Quickdraw. While it comes off faster than a fully charged quickdraw, the iai covers more distance, which allows you to space yourself so that you're out of range of an enemy attack and can retaliate safely in their recovery Night Reign's short range makes it far more high commital and makes you much more vulnerable as a result. There's also the fact that the multi-hit property picks up enemies, making them able to hit back sooner.
I get that it's good for inflicting ailments but I wonder if it is all that good

>>718707764
>the first three NG cycles being filler is good actually

>>718712296
you've played 3's NG+ and NG++?

>>718701835
>>718702802
>>718709678
Bot posts? The precedent was already set with the very first Nioh alpha where they nerfed the shit out of everything. Then they nerfed the whole of 2 in advance since shitters couldn't kite Nobunaga and friends. The same will happen here. The conquerors and the raped.

>>718712296
It's a necessary evil, people already complain endlessly about the loot in NG when the game updates your gear for you. Imagine the whining if you actually needed to work on your build from the beginning.

>>718695829
Or you could inherit RFD and try to build towards near 100% RFD with Tatenashi.

>>718712539
don't be dense

>>718712883
stupid schizo

>>718712738
If you have 100% RFD do you still take Ki damage or can you just no-sell hand cannon shots? Would be worth looking into in that case

>>718713629
It affects most projectiles, not just guns. I think I recall still taking ki damage, however.

>>718714069
It affects ninjutsu too? Speaking of, does "Throwing Speed Up" exist for Kunai and Storm Kunai? I keep getting mixed results when looking around online.

>>718712628
You don't like Nioh, we get it.

>>718714349
Yes, RFD affects basically anything thrown at you. You could check the temper tables but I only recall seeing throw speed up for shuriken, bombs and stones.

>>718714631
Are you one of the conquered or do you have the Mark?

>>718714786
Yeah, I've been looking but I thought I might be getting really unlucky. Oh well, I guess faster shuriken are pretty nice if you're running Hayabusa, but it's a shame that it only applies to base shurikens, fire shuriken are fun but really slow.

>>718715028
I've been playing Nioh since the very first alpha of 1 and continued to play all the alpha, beta, and last chance trials since then. I was in those very first threads where they started that pasta and yes I got all the marks for beating the demos. I was skeptical about some of the changes 3 had when they announced it but after playing the alpha myself, I can fully confirm that it's still Nioh. I can't agree with all that whiny nitpicking above, we do this dance every time they give their feedback reports. The final difficulties are always fine enough for the first cycle and then they give the harder stuff in the expansions and later difficulties.

>>718712628
Extreme retard. Your core complaints boil down to being unable to learn and adapt. Absolutely certain you didn't even play the beta, you're just parroting outrage posts from someone else who likely also didn't play it. Get a job

>>718696518
Nue is hardly unfair. That demon hunting bitch is right there, and she will hunt your ass down with attacks that have a range longer than you think a katana should have.

>>718715576
lol I'm not even the original anon. the poor nioh fans are being persecuted by the mean trolls, the dark souls elden ring shills!

My only complaint with Nioh is that some weapons are more fun right out of the box than others. Odachi and sword? Pretty straight forward to use with basic kits that work well by themselves. Hatchets? Your heavy attacks are kind of crap and slow, your throws are your heavy hitters but are also fairly slow, and all your attacks use just a little more ki than you'd expect them to. end of NG hatchets? Hilariously obnoxious troll weapon that can effectively keep enemies from ever touching you with plenty of throws to keep them pinned down, destroy ki, or add additional pressure. It's a night and day difference.

>>718716089
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, some being more technical and less straightforward than others helps make each weapon feel more different. In Nioh 1 Odachi pretty much felt like a katana with combo extensions on strong attacks and no parries

I think it's sad they added all these new weapons but tonfas are still hands down the best. What was the justification for this design choice?

>>718717227
The measure of a man is given when he has to choose between the power of the tonfas and the sheer masculinity of fists

>>718718364
Real men use bare fists

>>718693115 (OP)
Every weapon is extremely useful, fun and powerful and has access to everything in some capacity. You can also use two weapons. If you're going back from playing 2 you'll just be missing the skills they added, but they're still very well equipped without them if you know to make use of the many tools they still have.

>>718719387
Ngl tho, not having a followup on 1kat strong attacks sucks

>>718719754
Really? Damn. They even kept that for Nioh-ryu in rotr

>>718719387
Axe is kinda boring other than spinning on a downed enemy desu

>>718719876
Yeah. You can still do your three stabs as usual but no scabbard slap follow up. I miss that extra bit of Ki damage

>>718693115 (OP)
Spear and katana is the true samurai combo that will get you through the whole game. True versatility that can deal with all problems and situations.

>>718721229
you sound like one of those "people" that play the whole game in mid stance, boooooooring

>>718693751
This.
>>718694774
>Nioh 3 getting casualized and dumbed down killed the IP
It's not even out yet

>>718721229
I played it as William and found it the most satisfying combo.
1kat is kinda nerfed in 2, so went with 2kat and kept the 1kat as aesthetic choice basically.
What pairs nicely with the 2kat in 2?

>>718721229
Given his loadout in the boss fight I suppose it may as well be William's canon setup, but I always found the spear moveset dreadfully boring.
>>718721481
How do you feel 1kat was nerfed in 2?

Reverse grip 1kat in 3 is going to be awesome.

I want to make fun of people for thinking nioh is hard

>>718708932
Yokai Skills are replaced by Guardian Spirit Skills which work basically the same. Soul Cores can now let you summon yokai for an attack like how some Yokai Skills worked, or how Raiko did it. They're an Onmyo-style consumable but the feedback report said they're going to also let them cancel actions the way Spirit Skills and Yokai Skills did.

>>718721995
>How do you feel 1kat was nerfed in 2?
It's been a good while since I played it, so I can't be too technical, but I felt like Iai and the parries were the strongest kat moves and what separated it from others. Specially the parries and combos relating to it. That one move where you slash your way to your enemy's back was also pretty great
In 2, 2kat had better (or equivalent) parries and a better Iai. The slash movement is there, but wasn't as good.
The special techniques you get from the bosses are also pretty cool, but very underwhelming

I think Nioh should be less about number crunching and stacking damage modifiers under x circumstance and more oddball effects like making you move faster when afflicted or having your kunai blind.

>>718722857
I agree but for your specific propositions, moving fast is a extremely great buff that most builds in SoP benefited from. Also blind as a status ailment is too cheesy imo, it opens up doing dumb shit like inflicting lightning slow or sloth

>>718721995
The only type of person that ever thinks 1kat was nerfed in 2 played the weapon entirely for Backwave and Iai loop without being able to actually use the weapon or play the game in any other way. 1kat in 2 got massively buffed like all the weapons did with the moveset additions and overall improvements.

How much of NG+ should I play before doing the DLCs in 1? I know they're supposedly way over tuned.

>>718723207
>way overtuned

don't listen to reddit and just play it out of the gate

>>718723094
That's not true, but it's okay to be wrong

>>718723207
None of it. People who didn't learn how to play the game went into the DLC and got mad it actually continued to increase challenge from that point naturally. The game communicates in every way possible, including several that don't even matter, that you should start the DLC after beating the main game and then play WotStr alongside it.

>>718723207
That's not true. The DLC is pretty tough yeah, but it's supposed to be.
If you reached the end of game and know how to play and your build isn't shit, you should be fine
Well, except for fighting Maria, but she's a horrid cunt anyway.

>>718723016
Right, I was just giving those as random examples without really thinking them through. IIRC there's already a sloth on ninjutsu hit effect ingame.
But I honestly had more fun looking for weird stuff than to optimise an one shot build. I get that there's an appeal to some but I find the unique playstyles the nonoptimal effects open up to be much more interesting.
>>718723207
Like the other anon says, just jump right onto the DLC. It's what I did and did just fine. Way of the Strong isn't a big jump in difficulty anyway and you're likely to be steamrolling most of it with your endgame William. Main thing WotStrong gives you is divine gear and the Yasakani Magatama, and while that opens the door to a lot of buildcrafting since armor now gains inheritables, it's not something so vital that you absolutely need to stand a chance in the DLC, though.
That said, if you're already doing Strong do grab a Yasakani if you don't have one already, since its Set Bonus -1 effect is really handy. You can farm it off any mission that drops divine accessories, like A Request from Ginchiyo or The Demon's Daughter.

Dual katanas are the best weapon in the game.
Post your favorite
>weapon
>yokai ability
>mission
>boss fight
>npc

>>718724205
>weapon
Fists
>yokai ability
Abherrant Soldier for rocket fist
>mission
Iga Escape
>boss fight
Maria
>npc
Ginchiyo

>>718723847
>The game communicates in every way possible, including several that don't even matter, that you should start the DLC after beating the main game
In which ways does it tell you? I don't remember

>>718724205
>weapon
1kat or tonfas
>yokai ability
Yatsu no Kami
>mission
Whatever the one with Shuten Doji is called
>boss fight
Tate Eboshi
>npc
Mommy!!!!

>>718724205
For 1
>1kat
>doesn't have it.
>Sekigaraha
>Date Masamune
>Shima Salon

For 2
>2kat
>Oni bi
>Okehazama
>Minamoto no Yoshitsune
>William

Should I go balanced stat spread, 1kat + odachi, default William? First run

I don't get the Nioh 3 coping, all they did after Nioh 2 was casualised slop with all the difficult stuff super backloaded into the endgame.
Nioh 3 devs also seem retarded (intentionally making the game ugly and dark to the point when you can't see shit to make the monsters "stand out", wtf?).

>>718724809
Anything works for Way of the Samurai, don't stress too much and try things out to see what works for you. There's a respec item if you ever feel like redoing your William, though its cost at the smithy increases each time you buy it.

>>718700206
bros really mad that normies only play 5 games their entire lifetimes and 90% of the gamers that play 5 games a year are pantsonhead retarded and enjoy things like rollslop, codslop and turnbased rpgslop.

my good friend plays all the souls games and how did he play nioh 2? he threw his hatchets the entire game. the WHOLE GAME all he did was threw his hatchet the entire time. no flux, no stance changes, only hatchet throwing. most people play arpgs like this. i can't blame team ninja for slightly retarding the gameplay to appeal to a larger audience when only autistic neets like you and me care about stance fluxing with tonfas.

>>718724445
Being unlocked at the same time as WotStr. Having the same mission level as the first WotStr mission when the only use mission levels have is as an unofficial order. Having the same gear levels as the first WotStr mission. The boss being Onryoki 2.0.

>>718724809
Get enough Spirit for Guardian Spirit effects and to wear the armour you have, then either balance stats or focus on Body and Stamina, while also increasing Dexterity and Magic to 30 at most for the equip capacity limit. What matters significantly more in the first run is learning the mechanics and what tools you have, but being able to survive facilitates that, and damage scaling is practically non-existent so stats are useful for their actual effects of which Stamina is the best.

>>718724889
>your dad tapped this instead of fat cat tats

>>718724059
I think they should change blind into somethign more specific, like it negates grabs or unblockables.

Is RotR worth it if I'm sick of parry games like Sekiro? I can live with parrying as a mechanic as long as the game doesn't overly rely on it and has other fun mechanics.

>>718725565
>mom is into the bald oji-san type

>>718725283
I enjoy Souls as much as anyone else but I find it sad that it leads to this kind of behaviour. I don't what exactly it is that causes it, but it definitely feels like a pattern. They'll refuse to delve into the battle system, will stick to only one stance and sometimes only one type of attack within it and get through the game like that, only to turn around and say that everything else is bloat and unnecessary.
Why?

>>718725808
I don't know what exactly*

>>718724205
Katana
My fuckin boy yatsu no kami (I remember how busted it was when the game came out and I don't care)
Daidoji temple level
Maria
Mommy

>>718725735
Yes, while it is a core mechanic for opening enemies up it still has several other fun mechanics and a wide moveset to make use of, there's much more variety backing it up.

>>718723980
>Well, except for fighting Maria, but she's a horrid cunt anyway
What do you dislike about Maria's fight? She's fun as fuck

>>718726342
It's been a good while, but she just felt impossible .
Masamune was a huge shock but it just felt like I needed to up my ante and defeating him felt great
Maria was hyper fast in dodging and attacking and seemed incredibly cheap both close and long range.
Killing her just made me realize I developed a headache

>>718725735
>Is RotR worth it if I'm sick of parry games like Sekiro
Hell no, it's even more obnoxious.

>>718725808
Souls let you feel like you're good at games for having basic competency so they attract a lot of troglodytes. I likes the games too but I can't play them anymore without some kind of self imposed challenge, as is they're kinda dull to replay.

>>718725808
People learned every possible wrong lesson they could from Souls, it's the worst possible outcome of casuals with high ego meeting a punishing game with basic core mechanics but with large variety. Somehow they managed to turn learning more about a game into a bad thing at every stage of a game that emphasizes embracing challenge, all to try and prop themselves up while engaging in the most shameless projection fuelled crashouts if they lose or see someone doing better than them and bitterly trying to tear down anyone they think is worse. They didn't git gud, they seethed and coped.

>>718725808
because git gud mentality completely poisoned the well especially when From started leaning into the 'le Souls so hard' bullshit when all they were asking for was a basic level of understanding, everyone became convinced that beating a game with a pre-approved basic fucking sword and maybe a shield and literally nothing else was the only way it 'counts', that or they don't bother branching out from what works because they're scared of actually interacting with the battle system and it beating their fucking ass, there's a reason soulsfags walk into Nioh and immediately start getting hard filtered because they expect the exact same thing again and get mad when the game starts asking you to actually engage with its mechanics

>>718727325
I have never played Souls (they're too slow to me) but my two friends that play it are terrible at most Vidya

>>718725808
because most people are sub 120iq and even then the gamers that are above 120iq dont have the savoir faire for complicated controls like rocket league, playing piano, and of course nioh. you dont have to break your fingers playing chess but you do need to be smart. i call it Tyler1 syndrome and i call people who have t1 syndrome Asmongoloids. this is why asmon beat elden ring dlc "off stream", since it took him over a year to do it.

I have a "soulslike fatigue" fatigue.

>>718695469
>>718694774
Are you talking about you just straight up switch into a ninja as a separate form instead of speccing into it?

>>718694774
This
Both gayoh3 and ninjeet gayden 4 will flop so hard

>>718730864
Well I have soulslike fatigue fatigue fatigue