Thread 718712359

Path tracing is the next step in video game graphics btw

>>718712359 (OP)
ok? do you think this triggers me? maybe in 10 years where the humongous performance hit doesnt cost you more than 70% of performance. meanwhile i dont care. heh

>>718712359 (OP)
lol 4090 is old outdated trash tho

games having more realistic graphics doesn't make them better in any way

>>718712359 (OP)
Why did you post the game with path tracing off then?

>>718712629
:(

dont care
i want devs to start pushing the cpu to it's limits instead

>>718712629
>second fastest GPU
>outdated
Here's your (you)

>>718713726
it doesnt even have mfg it sucks

>>718713435
They already do, though. All that unoptimized jeetcode is not just for graphics, you know. SOMETHING has to make the NPC AI that is dumber than in games 20 years ago tick.

>>718712359 (OP)
Yes.

path tracing can look great
but its reliance on fake frame generation and AI upscaling makes it really shitty and blurry on anything that isn't 1440p/4k.

>>718714160
i watched the full video of where this is from. path tracing looked much better in some scenes, same in others, and even worse in the others. but always goes from 130fps to 40. get a grip on reality buddy

>>718714359
>blah, blah, blah

>>718714359
then you buy a gpu thats good at PT
I suppose 5070 is the cheapest option for 1440p

>>718714160
Damn son it's almost as if the game developers didn't even try to create decent lighting and shaderwork because they counted on raytracing slop to do it for them and push the cost to the customer.
>it still looks like smeared greasy shit on the screen

>>718714160
the main thing path tracing helps with in Cyberpunk is lighting on skin tone, Everybody looks weird as fuck, super flat and matte looking without it.

>>718714471
>>718714487

>>718714681
cp benefits a lot from pt but it's more interesting to see what a game looks like when a AAA makes it from ground up to use PT
like witcher 4

>>718714604
It looks incredible when a character stands next to a light source that only illuminates one side of them.
It also makes the dark indoor areas SUPER dark.

>>718714681
>>718714826
>look, if we do absolutely nothing to create a shadow anywhere with the ray tracing disabled, it makes the ray tracing look good
waow

>>718714160
I've seen games from the 2010s that achieved that with just plain old global illumination and no gaytracing

>>718714826
doom 3 was truly ahead of its time

can we just have good games man

there are at least 50 NES games more fun than whatever that garbage in the webm is

>>718715153
cant be helped
online pvp gacha games make 50 times more money than the best selling single player games

>>718715281
slop makes the most money
just like every other industry

The industry chose brute force over creativity. Ray tracing is not feasible in real time. What they did, then, is pass a ray tracing iteration only for certain things (shadows, for example), and then let a machine learning algorithm try to guess what the final image should look like. For this to work, you need dedicated GPUs to do this process in parallel, so we are now buying GPUs specialized in doing a shitty job in an attempt to do something that shouldn't be done in the first place.
The result is degraded images that are quite annoying for anyone with standards.
The other way would be to rely on the intelligence of artists to create the illusion of realistic lighting that is feasible for modern hardware. This path never had a chance, however. Maybe in 5 or 10 years, we'll see "indies" trying to offer a purer image experience or something like that, but until then, get used to the astigmatism simulators that are modern games and MShitia "AI" technologies.

>>718714160
The clip that broke poorfags and GAY-MD fanboys forever...
>>718714487
>I suppose 5070 is the cheapest option for 1440p
Try a 5090. A 5070 is doing 1080p with Quality DLSS and still dipping into the 50s or lower.
>>718714931
Name one retard. It can't be a cinematic or a single vista shot, it has to consistently be well lit like path tracing

>>718714553
The game did not ship with raytracing, while still getting accolades for having cutting edge graphics in its raster form on release. But not only that, the shitty raster lighting is still cutting edge because nothing better’s come out since. The state of the art was, is, and will likely forever be shitty probe-based GI and SSAO. Because all of the next steps require raytracing.

>games released 20 years ago look better than games released today
How does this happen?
What causes it to happen?

>>718712691
If we go by correlation it actually makes them worse.

>>718715517
Just about everything is getting worse, not just games.

>>718714160
>>718714471
>>718714681
>>718714826
cool reshade mod

>>718715494
Is this the part where you try to gaslight everyone into thinking that Playstation 2-tier graphics are cutting-edge?

>>718715484
https://youtu.be/5G6EXTBrwUY?si=543fYO2hOJA6VZAw this was released 11 years. The popin stopped being an issue after launch. There's a variety of lighting and it changes seemlessly between indoor and outdoor sections

>>718715938
This was before the graphics revamp that improved things further. Can't find a new one of calpheon though

>>718714553
>>718714915
This, what a fucking joke.

>>718715696
>reshade
>reshade creating new shadows and lighting sources

H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A
HOLY SHIT, i knew that the regular /v/ goer is retarded, but damn this surpass even my wildest expectations

H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A

>>718715696
>>718715517
What causes this behavior and belief in retarded things? Are you still on a last gen console or RX 470? Just lying and trolloling for attention?
Like you could even just go watch a youtube video and see that what you're saying is just total bullshit and fantasy.
Even AMD is fully on the RT and AI train now, every game on the PS6 is going to be raytraced and upscaled from like 720p or something.

>>718716448
nah ill just enjoy my real 200 frames per second for now. you can beta test if you want. playing at 40fps with 1gorillion input lag

>>718716416
>slightly darker image with higher contrast
>an orange tint
>increased shadow depth
>increased vignette

That will be 100 FPS + tip, goy.

>>718716046
>>718715938
Xhe got real after this

>>718716613
>nah ill just enjoy my real 200 frames per second for now
I can do that with rt on before framegen because I'm not on a 10 year old gpu.
faggot
>>718716963
Probably because if you think those 2 are comparable you're braindead, there's no point in responding to someone that has proven themselves to be just that retarded/blind/delusional

>>718716416
>>718716805
RTX off + 2 minutes in GIMP. Only used tools that affected the whole image ie: no individual reshading of parts or such. Color balance, temperature, brightess-contrast, and vignette.

>>718717197
I think you're just coping, xis. I'll take this level of lighting and being able to play at 120 fps on 5 year old mid-range hardware

>>718717359
Cool well do that then, just don't complain when games don't cater to poorfag hardware.

>>718717501
>I-if you d-don't spend your money on obvious scams, y-you are a poorfag!!!!111!

>>718717501
>Xhe plays plays lazy unoptimized sloppa that looks and performs worse than 11 year old games

>>718717585
>obvious scams
>Does exactly what it says it does
Weird scam
>>718717637
>buzzwords and lies
Have fun getting even a solid 60fps in most 11 year old games, they usually have basically 0 multithreading support.

>>718717801
damn your defensive. shouldnt you be having a blast rn?

>>718717801
>Xhe doesn't get over at least 240 fps on 11 year games with ryzen 3d

>>718717801
>Does exactly what it says it does
Technical nonsense aside, the bottom line is always something along the lines of
>new technology that lets us do stuff we couldn't before, like realistic lighting and reflections
>makes games look much better
Both are brazen lies. It is junk that makes games look minimally better AT BEST compared to what older technologies would allow. But it allows developers to do even less work and with even less competent jeet workforce, while making (you) pay the price. To reiterate: it is a set of lies that allows them to save cost at your expense. What is it, if not a scam? If you want to spend your money supporting this pracitce, so be it. Just don't expect to successfully gaslight everyone else to support your poor decisions.

>>718714359
If you actually play the game, the thing that sucks about it all is that any time you move the camera AT ALL the lighting changes and fluctuates on the edges of the screen. It is extremely jarring and annoying. Also the game doesn't have enough "light bounces" or whatever so there are areas that are literally just pitch black even though you're supposed to be able to see there. There's this one mission where you have to jump up and grab onto a vent/ledge area to proceed and I got stuck there for like 10 minutes trying to figure out what the fuck I was supposed to do because with all the RT shit on it was literally just pitch black. And for some reason the game about high tech augmentation does not have night vision or a fucking torch.

>>718718621
>any time you move the camera AT ALL the lighting changes and fluctuates on the edges of the screen.
Turn on ray reconstruction or don't play at 360p internal.

>>718712359 (OP)
post this again when i can play with this at atleast 100fps NO frame generation and without giving 1000$ to jewvidia

>>718714160
>>718714931

>whoops haha
>we forgot to include any lighting in our game
>our bad tee hee
>guess you'll have to buy a 4090 from the people who paid us millions of dollars to be "partners" with

This triggers nvidia shill https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kay3G7-ewsw&pp=ygUkQmxhdmsgZGVzZXJ0IG9ubGluZSByZW1hc3RlcmVkIHZlbGlh
https://youtu.be/nG0QTRqVtP8?si=q8I73jBl_hFvgyX4

I would support us going back to ps2-ps3 level fidelity if it meant we could have better physics interactions in games.
The most advanced fluid dynamics I've encountered and the most realistic feeling real time destruction in videogames were on games that released on the fucking playstation 3 (from dust, hydrophobia, red faction guerrilla). If anything we've been going backwards since then. Everything is about making highly unreactive, uninteractive but very shiny corridors.

If we were at the point of red faction guerrilla on the PS3 then by now we should have games that feature that kind of destruction in real time on the scale of real life cities, tens if not hundreds of square miles.

>>718712359 (OP)
looks like fucking dogshit

>>718712359 (OP)
>Still can't look down and see your character
>Still cant see your character in reflections
Gaming has regressed and consoles are to blame.

>>718719579
Because it's a game built around consoles. It's not even path tracing on in the clip, the shadows aren't low resolution and popping in like that when it is.

Why do jeets pretend they invented something that was in gaming for decades
>sar our grafix card is the only one that can do shadows sar the game has no shadows without the card SAR BUY THE CARD SAR

>>718719428
You might like this:
https://youtu.be/LX7mOLfgxHI

Only brokefags dont care about path tracing

>>718720306
and only shills that overspent on gimmicks care about path tracing

>>718714160
>game designed around rtx looks bad without rtx
WOW WHOA

>>718714604
That's just how people look like in Poland.

>>718720712
>overspent
Path tracing is viable on midrange cards now, the RTX 5070 does it competently.
5060ti is good to go if you can tolerate a framerate under 60
Pic is worst case scenerio in the hl2 demo before framegen.

>>718720846
>game designed around rtx
Cope and seethe. Game was targeting the limits of last gen consoles and it shows. Raytracing on release was half-baked and needed to run on Turing without dlss.
Game goes from looking meh to still being one of the best showcases just from better lighting.

>>718714681
>>718714471
>>718714160
The human eye is physically made to focus on a small circular area in the middle of your vision while slightly blurring everything while your brain fill in the blurred gaps based on environmental information and/or memory.
All this shit only matters for screenshots and static webms, not for gameplay.

>>718719914
Not him but I love this, god damn.

i just miss when AAA games had distinct artstyles instead of every single one of them attempting to look as photorealistic as possible

>>718719914
>>718721558

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVB83tmuNb4

I still don't have a raytracing-capable card

If you're not excited about Path Tracing you're not a PC gamer and that's OK. Please leave the graphics technology to the people with brains and money and go play your rasterized bing bing wahoo at 15 fps.
>>718717275
Gonna spend 2 minutes editing every single frame while you game, dumbass?

>another stupid graphical gimmick that adds nothing to gameplay but tanks your framerate unless you buy a $2000 GPU
thank you mr.shekelstein

>>718723780
It adds IMMERSION, the raison d'etre of vidya.

>>718723780
It tanks your framerate even with a $2000 dollar GPU

>>718723780
the only way it can tank your framerate is if you boughted a 4k ultrawide. in which case spending $2k on a GPU shouldn't be a problem

>>718723676
Xister those effects are available through reshade

>>718725261
>if only there way to automatically make the picture look well lit instead of having to do a manual reshade for every scene
Some people are not meant for computers. Just go outside or something.

>>718725950
Yeah it's called global illumination and that doesn't require gay traycing. Reshade just shows what's possible with just rasterization

>>718712359 (OP)
But what does this have to do with gameplay?

>>718726151
Be real. Path tracing will suddenly become "fixed" and "good now" the moment you are able to get your hands on a system that can run it.

>>718726507
No. It's an enabler of lazy devs. Devs who care about the product would put in manual touches to each scene to imrove them. As far as gaytracing i'd honestly rather devs use UE5's Lumen cause it's unbiased towards Nvidia's jewish tricks and doesn't tank your fps.

>>718726507
games have existed without it for 30 years
you invented that word today

>>718726487
Gameplay?
These types of "games" are an experience, not meant for gameplay
Which is why I don't buy them

>>718712359 (OP)
Look at the shitty walk animations. Fix that before you put all super lighting

>>718726794
Feel free to make your own game where you light every scene manually with your l33t reshade skillz
>>718726943
Or just stick to 2D. Hell, go text-based. You technically don't NEED graphics to have a good game.

But anyway, discussion around path tracing is so annoying because so many motherfuckers will come out of the woodwork to essentially try to gaslight themselves that they don't want the new tech and that games don't need it.
Sure. Then why the fuck are you in this thread, pining over it?

>>718727307
The word is tech demo. Every single UE5 game has been a complete flop so far

>>718727683
>tech demo
Haha, yeah you're right about that
When I think of UE5 I think "this fan recreated [Game] in UE5!" and it's just running around in an open field with people screaming HIRE THIS MAN

>Another nvidia jeet shill thread
ZZZZZZZZZZ

>>718712359 (OP)
There is no next step
Jeet coders will continue to outsource optimization to increasingly expensive high end cards while actual visuals will stagnate and won't exceed RDR2

>>718712359 (OP)
what the fuck happened to texture blending.
remember mipmaps?

>>718712359 (OP)
>supreme settings
>5 unit draw distance
>for only $1200
BWAHAHAHAHA

>>718712359 (OP)
there is not a single reason this shit can't be baked in lighting with a shadow cull on top.
only the player shadow needs to move.

>>718727683
>Every UE5 has been a flop
Wut?

>>718714160
this looks horrible. you could easily recreate the visuals here without gay tracing if you wanted to, but no one would because it looks awful

>>718719645
>mario 64 had reflections
damn, that console was really ahead of its time

>>718726507
youre actually retarded holy fuck lmao

>>718717275
looks so much better than meme tracing holy shit

>>718729856
Not sure how 64 did it, but Sunshine used a technique called camera to texture for its reflections

>>718714160
That's just incompetence

>>718729090
>Xhe got real silent after this

>>718727557
Game devs already have to manually place lights during things like cutscenes anyway just to get the proper lighting on each character's models. That's not something you can automate without getting a ton of jank. Real life directors need to do this for movie scenes and there exists lighting experts to help them. Being able to use dev tools akin to reshade is kind of the bare minimum

>>718712359 (OP)
What sucks the most is that games are built with this trash tech, and you can't brute force it to look good like we used to 4 generations of GPUs ago.
So their retarded idea of pushing this trash tech to sell more GPUs is funny. Granted, there are even more retarded people (consumers) who would gobble this slop up.

>>718716416
It literally can though
Ever heard of Relight?

>>718712359 (OP)
>blaming lod issue on path tracing

>>718712359 (OP)
when are you going to post the one with it on

>>718714359
>noo you must always play on native bro
>even if you cant tell a difference after 2 minutes of playing the game
>t. gt1050 user

>>718714915
there are too many objects in cp for there to be shadows on everything, think there may hae been a mod that adds it to every clutter in the game but your fps tanked down to like single digits

I want games to look cooler not more detailed