Thread 718739659

spy is buffed, cannot simply be spy-checked for fear of teamkilling.
and can't be spy-checked merely by checking for collision.
enemies can't cheese, escape easily, by running through eachother and engi buildings.
players have to put more emphasis on their positioning to not body block teammates unintentionally.
aoe spam is kept in check and more balanced due to teamkill potential. as well as potential to damage your own engis buildings.
movement is more dynamic, you can now surf your own teams explosives without the lousy quick fix.
pyro can air blast friends.
enemy knockback, particularly loose cannon, also greater knock-on effects as the pushed player collides with his own team in the process of being knockbacked.
allies can climb friendly engi buildings. potentially boosting ontop of teammates heads too.
sentries placement must be far more calculated to avoid friendly crossfire.

these two mechanics would massively elevate the game.

#SaveTransFortress2

>>718740145
how to fix trans

>>718739659 (OP)
Interesting idea there OP

>>718741210
no different than the enemy demoman putting stickies at your spawn and insta killing you. developer competency issue, not a design flaw.

>>718741317
>no different than the enemy demoman putting stickies
except the enemy demoman doesn't literally spawn right next to you at round start

>>718739659 (OP)
can’t you just enable these easily through console on a server or is tf2 completely pozzed now

>>718741656
votekick the teamkiller dingus

>>718739659 (OP)
>Enable team killing
>Everyone just goes Heavy and spawncamps their own team because its le funny

>>718741468
its about time that blackie was brought in line, why should he get away with having TWO primary weapons that both deal huge aoe damage?
and soldiers can just learn how to properly rocket jump to bomb enemys, instead of spamming while waddling around like noobs praying for a crocket.

>>718741950
It’s almost impossible to get people to hit f1 when the vote menu comes up.

>>718741950
>votekick the teamkiller dingus

>>718742029
make ammo require crafting with scrap metal.
teamkillers go bankrupt as they waste ammo on tking.
reward kills and contribution with scrap.

>>718742191
>Crash the tf2 economy over night.
Wait, that's a good thing.

>>718742087
bullshit. even kicking idles usually goes through, teamkillers would easily get f1ed.

>>718739659 (OP)
Honestly after playing Helldivers 2 I realize that most people barely dont give a shit about Friendly fire and will just throw explosives near you without a thought.. Friendly fire is just a lazy way to add "depth" to your game by making retards on your team more dangerous than the actual enemy.

>>718742309
thats a culture issue. bullying would quickly eliminate the problem. call teammates niggers for damaging you with explosives/aoe.

>>718742352
I just kick them from my game. The problem is theyre all over the place and theyre so braindead they dont even realize theyre the ones that damaged/killed you.

>>718742408
that could be fixed with better developed systems. some to the effect of, when doing team damage put a huge text on their screen that calls them a nigger. blocking their vision for 10 seconds.

>>718739659 (OP)
>friendly fire
Youre a dumb fucking nigger is what you are.

>>718742087
It's the opposite. There's a lot of dudes who randomly votekick people because they know a fair amount of players will f1 without question. I haven't seen a post-bots votekick not get at least 3 yes votes with no explanation or reason.

>>718739659 (OP)
congrats you just ruined the game by letting a single demoman having a bad day make it everyone else's problem

You don't think shit through do you

>>718739659 (OP)
enabling friendly fire would be a horrible idea
>would completely negate any attempts at team work since its more funny to fuck over your own team
>classes that rely on explosives like demo and soldier will become massive liabilities
>pyro is just fucked
just make it so that spy can pass through enemy team members while disguised

>>718742518
Nah, wouldnt be enough. You still have retards that spam the "Request Reinforcement" when they die during an Ion Storm even when told multiple times they cant be reinforced during an ion storm because they have brain damage or so fucking blind they cant see the blue sparks floating in the air.
Friendly fire is just a bad game mechanic that shouldnt exist in 9/10 games when youre with randoms a lot.

>>718742570
since when have blacks ever not been a problem?
this is a lousy excuse to not add what could be the best mechanics for the game.

>>718742690
let soldier always have shotgun.
give demo a gun.
pyro already can use shotguns.

Back in the day, I hosted an Arena server and when it was just regulars, we'd sometimes have a friendlyfire round. It actually works surprisingly well, but only when everyone is actually playing. Of course all it takes is a single nigger, but since we were among friends, it was no issue. Once enough randoms joined, we usually turned it off cause we didn't want to have to ban people from a then-dying gamemode.

>>718742720
I've played on servers with friendly fire and it adds nothing of value to the gameplay.

>>718742767
>just make force them to be more like the other classes to enable this retarded idea
all three of them would realistically become heavies but worse in this scenario, just to maybe buff one class (who would also suffer from friendly fire as well) TF2 by its nature is supposed to be chaotic so enabling a feature that punishes you for that defeats the entire purpose

>>718742865
that's because you played on some instant respawn faggot shit

>>718739659 (OP)
If this happened, there would be 10 le frendly sandwich hoovy xddd on every team blocking you from doing anything.

>>718742948
why should demos and soldiers be the only power classes?

>>718743260
find a new lobby

>>718743228
whats wrong with insta respawns? waiting 20 seconds is boring as fuck

>>718743426
because they were designed around it, thats and its not like they will be the only ones that get fucked, do you think pyro would have a good time, and then you run into the problem of certain maps just being unplayable, do you really think last point of degroot keep would be fun for anybody under friendly fire mode

>>718739659 (OP)
Why would you want Spy to be buffed?

>>718745484
every class should be a power class.
and just rework the flamethrower if its an issue.

>>718745739
cos he sucks besides the occasional trickstab or chain stab streak.

>>718739659 (OP)
I want to send this to Valve as proof to why turning over the game to the community is the worst possible thing they could do. Them literally do nothing for the rest of time would be better than this.

Presence of friendly fire on its own has a dramatic effect on the nature of a shooter, adding it to a game that didn't have it before pretty much transforms it into a different product

>>718745825
>He sucks
>besides these things where he doesnt
Exactly why he doesn't need a buff.

>>718739659 (OP)
the thing is you think that turning friendly fire on would actually change the behavior of demoman mindlessly blind-lobbing pipes into a chokepoint, but in reality the demoman will continue to mindlessly lob pipes into a choke point, kill his own teammates sometimes, and then blame them for daring to enter the choke point that he was controlling.

>>718745780
>just take away what makes every class unique
or you just don't put in a feature that creates far far more problems than it woudl supposedly solve

>>718746547
a class being shit makes it unique? dafuq

>>718746457
thats an easy fix, just fix the mindless spam behavior.

Just accept this game is flawed or do what everyone and their mother did a decade ago and move on.

>>718742029
that is exactly what happens on the /v/an when they enable tk

>caring about TF2 when Overwatch 2 exists
lmao

>>718747703
abilities with cooldowns are retarded

>>718747938
TF2 has a bunch too though? Drinks, foods, shield charges off the top of my head

>>718748367
they are largely optional but are lousy mechanics and should be reworked

>>718739659 (OP)
TF2's maps were not designed around friendly fire or player collision.

>>718749156
they should be

>>718747703
No genuine overwatch fan likes OW2 considering they pissed on the first game, failed to deliver their promises that justified it being OW2 and continued the shit balancing that ruined OW!

>>718747703
i only play games that let u do blackface

>>718739659 (OP)
>two heavies stand on each exit of that one 2fort spawn room
>game is unplayable for their teammates unless they know how to killbind/rapidly switch class to teleport to the other spawn room
Riveting idea.

in all seriousness, op. kill yourself. you have no idea what tf2 is and have no right to speak on it. just stop.