Thread 718750250

>runs worse on ps5 pro than the base ps5

ohnononono

https://youtu.be/Am0ER7iW2lo

UE5 needs to be destroyed.

what a shitshow this generation has been

>even a fucking ps2 remaster needs a performance/quality mode toggle
>and the performance mode doesn't even hit 60fps

>>718750250 (OP)
The moment they said it used UE5 I discarded it.

>>718750440
>dips to basically 720p on ps5 pro
lmao

>UE5
>framerate issues
name a better combo

>>718750771
Your mom and my penis

>>718750250 (OP)
Unreal Engine 5 is a blight. It enables talentless hacks make projects like these that suck the soul out of the thing.

>>718750250 (OP)
fucks sake take me back

>>718750546
Remake.

>>718750250 (OP)
sure

>>718750986
It's the same game isn't it? They only changed the graphics.

Remember how optimized MGSV was.
Any PC could run it smoothly with high setting

>>718751107
Shit ran at 1080p 60 on a ps4. It was fantastic.

>>718750250 (OP)
What is this shit?
I bet they'd make Raiden have black hair today.

>>718751320
It's an old screenshot with a normal filter on, you idiot.

>>718750250 (OP)
>frame-rate issues

faithful to the original then

>>718750943
>MGS2 HD/Master

I had to mod that shit just to make it look more like the PS2 version because the Xbox version they used was so fucking scuffed.

>>718751395
That hair doesn't look blonde at all.

>>718751754
Again: ****It's an old screenshot****, you're genuinely retarded.

>>718751754
Does the bandana on the left look blueish to you?

>>718751915
Left has a green tint full stop because that was a literal cinematic choice.
Movies like The Matrix loved using that look for scenes in the actual matrix.

Which in MGS is kinda relevant to it's plot isn't it?

>>718751890
So it's not faithful at all to the original?

>>718750250 (OP)
wait, doesn't konami own the decima engine or whatever the fuck mgsv used?

This can't be real
Pay up pro piggy

>>718750250 (OP)
many such cases

>>718752309
anon, what the hell are you talking about?

>>718752259
It's a sad thing that people like you live in the same society.

>>718751320
That is a man?

I'm glad I have PC

>>718752309
you're thinking of the fox engine, decima is guerrilla games engine. and yes they do, but konami hasn't used it since 2020, so it would require retraining everyone on it and a lot of work to update it for modern features and systems, so it's not worth the effort

>>718751023
The explosion looks good though.

>>718752579
PCchads win again.

>>718750440
Play the new Metal Gear Solid Remake, at glorious 720p 60* fps on your Playstation 5!

*40-50 fps, looks somewhat smooth on VRR supporting displays

>>718752625
but does it look -15fps tho?

>built from the hd remaster code
So it has all the bugs at 30+ fps

>>718751107
It ran on the fucking PS3 with its 256Mb of RAM, at 720p 30fps.
So not far from the 720p/40fps MGS delta runs at on the PS5.
And MGSV is an open world game...
Optimization doesn't mean anything now

>>718750250 (OP)
Will work fine on my 9070XT. Can't wait to play in native 4K60.

>>718752796
>bluepoint
That explains it.

>>718752579
>>718752639
I'm going to guess that the PC version will also be an unoptimised mess. It's an Unreal 5 issue at the end of the day, not a console one.

>>718752796
>astro bot
huh?

>>718753310
On the DF video, they showed the main menu.

You had New Game, Load Game, Snake vs Monkey, ???, and options.

Maybe the ??? has something to do with Astro Bot?

>>718753414
I was thinking he might just be tucked away somewhere too as a little easter egg, we'll have to see

>>718750250 (OP)
I think we all saw this one coming.
>>718753284
UE5 for sure. But Digital Foundry once made a misleading statement about Jedi survivor playing better on consoles and the snoys believed it. It's more the fact that PCs will be able to power through these unoptimised messes to get a better frame rate.

>>718751641
There are mods for the 360 / ps3 collection? What do they change?

Don't look, chat

>>718753310
in Snake vs Monkey

>>718753634
They fix some of what boobpoint broke all those years ago
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WhQSRpkC_A9wBDV0o-Pohh1dMhL1H6nbVzvdluIVWrw/

>>718751089
No, it's a complete remake from the ground up, the only thing that's the same from the original is the voice acting, everything else is new

a remaster is LITERALLY the same game engine with some bells and whistles added to it along with modern platform compatability, a remake is creating a whole new game on a new engine in the image of the old one

>>718753797
yeah that's kinda what I expected, especially since that IS the ape escape team

>>718750440
jesus christ that is grim

>>718753823
It still has the same animations and game logic, like shadow of the colosssus on ps4

4K ready

>>718752625
Yeah but that's just sprites. Everything else looks like a blurry mess as usual.
Steam store page says that minimum PC requirement is RTX 2080 (8GB) lel.

>>718753985
To add: that's bit more than the default PS5 configuration afaik.

>>718752489
Ok she looks ok here. Still a bit dark though. More Anglo blonde than Scandinavian blonde now.

>>718754049
DF used older footage during that part of the video for (((some))) reason

>>718753985
>Steam store page says that minimum PC requirement is RTX 2080 (8GB) lel.
That's 2060

>>718754096
they re-used their old comparison video

Why is the ps5 so shit bros?

>>718753985
2060 super not 2080

>>718750250 (OP)
$749.99 + tip

>>718754152
sony had 0 competition so they didn't even try this gen

>>718754109
Maybe I'm dyslexic but I could swear it was 2080. My bad.

>>718751107
Why did they stop using the Fox Engine?

>>718754152
It's not. Games like Death Stranding 2 look great on a base PS5.

>>718754230
It's an internal engine isn't it? The remake is outsourced, much cheaper and easier to just use regular solutions, especially if it's made the same way some enhancements are done these days where they slap a new renderer over old game logic instead of properly rebuilding the game

>>718754230
every kojipro employee left and there's no point teaching other teams/new hires an engine that they'll have trouble scaling and developing further down the line for future platforms.

more viable to just revert to UE, which every developer knows how to work with (since epic funds tons of uni courses worldwide)

>cutscenes are capped at 30fps
fucking lol, even the HD collection ran them at 60fps

>>718753634
>There are mods for the 360 / ps3 collection?
The master collection is just the Xbox 360 HD Collection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwgWJgc58_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHMXUB2Nmw0
Konami don't know how to code shit nowadays. They used a mere unity wrapper.
The game literally had issues with things on the ps2 version because the ps2 was a strange architecture in comparison to modern consoles. Things like rain and water weren't rendered correctly in the HD version and therefore the MC version. It looks like ASS. The mods try to fix it, but they had issues for me 2bh.

>>718754230
No one bought Survive

>>718754273
lol
lmao even

>>718751320
She kinda looks like an older Saoirse Ronan.

>>718754152
Death Stranding 2 runs like a dream on base PS5. It's this bald faggot's fault and his janky ass engine.

>>718754152
>Like Confucius says, "never buy a console that is just a glorified pc with bad optimization."

>>718753905
no, this is a new engine and has new code and animations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOFuPTtHPhM

you can just look at Snake's animation to see they are different, everythin from diving, to CQC, to crouch walking (which wasn't even possible in the original MGS3), to aiming, etc. And the code for the new CODEC, camoflage system, wound menu etc are all new code that is based on the CONCEPTS behind the code in the old game

This doesn't even matter anyway, I've already explained that the engine is the deciding factor in what is a remake or a remaster
SOTC is also a remake, not a remaster, it doesn't matter if it has some of the same code or animations as the original

>>718750250 (OP)
>console exclusive tech review
???

>>718754191
What was their excuse the past 2 gens?

>>718754646
looks ugly by desert wasteland standards

>>718753284
It's not the normal UE5 traversal stutter. The PS5 is just not performant enough to maintain 60 FPS.

>>718754273
>>718754469
>Death Stranding 2

>>718754646
mogged by a snes game

>>718754469
Unreal is great, but most users of it fucking suck at it. Don't blame unreal being used poorly for this.
DS2 has Kojima's fork of a different engine (Decima, used for Horizon Zero Dawn). I get the feeling Kojima's goal was to explore mechanics in DS2 and modify his engine to make them work. Might explain why Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered came literally 4 years after the original (Kojima's team debugged things?).

Still... Source does some things better than Kojima's Decima engine with physics and collision. I don't know why people ignore Source 2 still.

>>718754587
Mazel tov!

>>718750250 (OP)
>>718750440
UE5 only has issues on PC
Sir deleted this lies immediately

>>718754646
I wonder how this game does the rain/water/fire and other physics. DS2 is underrated in some ways.

>>718750771
you and getting cucked

>>718753284
most modern games are unoptimized mess now cause you can enable upscaling for free "performance" boost

UE5 should be sweet on your potato, let alone the PS5 pro, if you know what you are doing.
Stop blaming unreal 5 for the users naive use of it, that thing is powerful, but poorly used and has become a meme that has created problems for it.

>>718751107
Yeah, the game was incredibly well optimised. I believe there was only one setting that could potentially have tanked the frame rate back then and it was to do with particle effects if you set it to the highest setting, which wasn't really necessary since it still looked good on the option below that. Otherwise it ran smoothly across pretty much all rigs. I think Kojima set a new standard, he was the first Japanese developer in triple A games development to make an actually good PC port. At least to my knowledge.

>>718754984
If it's one bad game on UE5 that's a dev problem
If it's twenty bad games on UE5 that's an engine problem
Okay Timmie?

Never bought or will buy a piss 5

>>718755098
why not? don't you like wasting money?

>>718755085
It's an industry problem because too many corporations naively misuse it and then divert attention from it's negligent use by blaming the engine itself.
That is to say, it's a skill issue.

>>718754782
>I don't know why people ignore Source 2 still.
Other than letting Garry screw around with it, Valve doesn't care to license it out or provide any sort of support or documentation.

>>718755030
MGS1 on PC back then was a good port.

>>718755236
No it wasn't, shut up

>>718750440
>720p
>it just werks
I will never take consolefags serious ever again

>>718754864
Seemed very scripted and simple to me during my playthrough.
The rivers pretty much just have two states; flooded or not.
The fires happened twice during a scripted event to me and there's not much to it other than putting out the fire. It doesn't spread outside of the scripted area either.

>>718750250 (OP)
Death Stranding 2 looks miles better and is a much more impressive game that can do 60fps comfortably yet this UE5 slop with tiny maps running at 720p (720p!!) and barely anything going on can't. Witcher 4 will be the next victim.

>>718753765
>gay savage is lords of shadow 3 now
huh

>>718751107
This was 10 years ago. Gaming really has become a stagnant, bloated corpse.

>>718751107
this game could also only have like 8 enemies in an area at once

>>718756139
So double of what MGS3 can have?

>>718754782
>Unreal is great, but most users of it fucking suck at it.
No it's not, it's the engines fault and it's shown every time a new ue game comes out. Not even AAA are able to fix that piece of shit.

UE5 can give you great quality in a very short amount of time the problem is instead of devs using the time saved to optimize it they just go this look good enough and release it

>>718756357
>Not even AAA are able to fix that piece of shit.
>implying AAA are more competent with engines than indie devs today

This isn't 2004, AAA have been falling behind smaller corps for years now because they just sack the people that built engines and replaced them with people that know nothing about them.
Kinda like how corps replaced software engineers with AI users and now those AI users don't know how to debug their software.
It's the same fucking issue - overconfident and incompetent administrators hiring staff that are not able to debug and handle issues in detail because they hired staff that deal more with front ends instead.

That's why sites are getting buggy everywhere nowadays and why hacking is becoming a massive problem again - admins simply didn't hire competent staff and sacked the people with competence. Konami has a rep with doing this btw. It started with shit team silent with sacking competent developers and replacing them with cheaper, shitter, staff.

>>718754646
The area in DS2 with all the fireworks is one of the most visually impressive things I've seen in a game.

>>718756392
It used to be that they took more and more shortcuts and just made it look "good enough" for a long time, but not anymore. The culture has changed so much in AAA that it's obvious they don't even know how to debug these game or even know the bugs are there or the optimizations exist.
The most optimized shit in games right now are by indie devs on their own engines or hacker modifying rom hacks purely for the sport of optimization (see SM64 hacking community, who are insane people that can make GC and wii games run on an n64).

>>718756858
It's not new, but it's amazing how well it runs without being a pure cinematic thing.
Clearly some old tricks used though.

9070 XT bros? Our thoughts?

>>718756928
>Clearly some old tricks used though.
And that's not a bad thing. I'd prefer games use movie magic tricks to make something more aesthetically interesting (like the water battle "physics" in Half-Life Alyx that are just a shader).

does anyone have a list of all the studios involved?
asking for an indian friend.

>>718757514
Depends, tricks using detail tend to be flashier if done correctly.
Even better is the use of noisy tricks to make an overpowering saturated effect. The shoegaze technique, kek.

Like I was noticing some games doing crazy shit with colour (acid trippy saturation) that I really kinda thought was odd looking and intriguing. Horrifying even.
LSD: Dream Emulator is the most obvious one.

>>718750250 (OP)
Piss 5 is the worst

>>718750250 (OP)
Bunk

>>718755327
>again
There was a point when you took them seriously?

>>718750250 (OP)
>People thought an UE5 game would be well optimized
Kneel and apologize.

>>718752592
>not worth the effort
Yes, why use a well-designed and optimized engine when you can just slap a bunch of hyper-realistic assets into UE5 and enable Lumen, Nanite and ray-tracing then call it a day?

>>718751107
>>718751142
That’s because it was a port of a 360 game, of course it would run smooth as butter on anything with more than 500mb of ram

>>718754273
DS2 also runs like garbage

>>718750250 (OP)
Didn’t they have to underclock PS5s so the liquid metal cooling system didn’t melt and fry the system? That might be why it runs worse on the Pro.

>>718768143
>DS2 also runs like garbage
Fake news

>>718753575
Delta is running at 720 to 1080 internally and resolves to a 4k image using upscaling on base PS5. PC could be even more problematic

>>718768526
The pc port is comparable to the newest monster hunter at times

>>718768698
>Death Stranding 2
>PC port
You indian shills are getting sloppy

>>718767421
>Kneel and a-AAAAAAAAAAACCCKK
Fuck off eceleb tranny

>>718750250 (OP)
Res to high. Focusing on 60fps for pro is ok though as not to make others feel left out. Rather use 30 in cyberpunk for raytracing.

Shit game.

Res should be about 360p with TAA, or 240p with FSR/DLSS ie Ai upscaling.
Q
Better visuals. More action. More pixels in place of that is stupid.

And MGS3 is a bad game that wasn't worth being a base for anything.

Large scale war to not die in. In and out seeing things to save, a better game.

Eg invading occupied Palestine ("Israel"). See some exceptions that should survive.
So they're rescued and bombed around.

Sneak so shit doesn't hit the fan. Bombing/invvasion held off in an area until your death is imminent/you die or are downed. Or you don't end detection yourself.

Could be the other way around after investigation and most good, but have to solve the shrink filth without going down otherwise it's all gone.

gaming is dead
time to go outside

Everyone face looks off. Just slightly. Not even uncanny just is like weird and seems like a UE5 thing because oblivion remaster is the same way with faces. They are like too shiny or some shit.

Mods will fix it.

>>718753797
>Sony still tries to make Funko Bot popular
This is why the Xbox version is superior. I'd rather see Bomberman.

I knew that I shouldn't have been,
but I was still optimistic for Delta.
"Surely," I coped, the remastered edition was just a cash grab so they could put more money into Delteater.
But here I am, looking at this pile of shit they want to charge $90 for.
The stench is eye-watering and yet my vision is more clear than it's ever been

>>718750250 (OP)
tendiesisters... our resolution leads the industry

>>718750250 (OP)
lol how ?

>FFVII that needed a 1:1 remake > gets the cancer time jannies reimagining
>MGS3 that desperately needed at least 5 times the number of maps original game had, to justify all the survival mechanics > gets a 1:1 remake
FUCK VIDEOGAME COMPANIES