Thread 718754115

How do we know he hasn't sent innocent people in jail or worse to the death row?

Since he's such an incompetent detective

We know and let him slide because he has a good look.

He probably did but you can't really blame a prosecutor for it too much.
There's the police who should carry a proper investigation, there is the judge who should evaluate whether you have a proper case against somebody with no room for doubt, and there is a defense attorney who should make sure to bring up every argument in favor of the defendant regardless of his beliefs and especially call out the prosecution on bullshit.
The entire thing is failing apart here if he's just allowed to do that.

>>718754115 (OP)
He's not a detective.

>>718754115 (OP)
Before 1-5 turned Miles into some "ackshually did nothing wrong" wholesomechungus (it was written, created and released after 3-5 chronologically) it was indeed implied he sent must have sent innocent people to jail and to die. In 1-2 he briefly exposes his philosophy to Phoenix. You don't know who's innocent or guilty and he worked to the best of his ability to reach a satisfactory verdict (for himself)

it's just a job, give him a break.

It's the defense's fault

>>718754115 (OP)
Gabe....
Oh gabe.....
Whatever it is, you got it, brotha

>>718755079
He's supposed to bring criminals to justice, which requires investigating

If Phoenix can do it why can't he?

>>718754115 (OP)
There's no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

Just finished investigations 1. It was kinda shit other than the last case desu.

>>718755869
Some of the cases are rough but I liked Reminiscence personally.

>>718755869
The individual cases kind of suck as murder mysteries, but I still really like the game as a whole for its characters (Kay is objectively the best AA sidekick) and its presentation (walking around instead of navigating the whole game through menus is neat). Investigations 2 kicks its ass in every regard, though.

>>718755706
Phoenix is technically not allowed to. He skirts the law at best and outright violates it sometimes at worst.

>>718754115 (OP)
Didn't he resign as a prosecutor because he came to that conclusion himself?

>>718757712
Pretty much, although 1-5 ruins it so it's better to treat it as non-canon.

>>718754115 (OP)
He certainly has. That's the whole point of his arc.

>>718754115 (OP)
>How do we know he hasn't
He almost certainly has.

Mind you, it is his job.

>>718754115 (OP)
what is this personality type called?
because i'm sexually attracted to it

>>718754115 (OP)
We just don't.

>>718758138
>what is this personality type called?
Gay.

>>718757761
I like 1-5 though.

It was also nice to have a case where Edgeworth and Phoenix were on the same side but still fighting in court. Only other one that really did that was 2-4.

>>718754115 (OP)
Crazy how he tries to get Phoenix executed in case2 knowing that he’s 100% innocent, and they are suddenly friends a few days later

>>718758641
>I like 1-5 though.
It's fine on its own, but it was placed in a very awkward spot and you can certainly tell it wasn't part of the story until after they concluded the whole trilogy.

>>718754115 (OP)
he probably has but its fine because hes a hottie

>>718754115 (OP)
>Your job is putting innocent people in jail?
>How cool and tortured

>>718754115 (OP)
You can ask that about every prosecutor ever

>>718755283
1-5 only states he never knowingly forged evidence and even 1-4 established that Von Karma was doing stuff he wouldn't
Stuff like making deals with witnesses and pressuring the coroner to update the autopsy report in his favor wasn't forging evidence
So yeah, he potentially got a guilty verdict for somebody innocent, but that occurred without evidence forgery

>>718754115 (OP)
Why does he look so much like Sasuke?

>>718759198
>paler
>opposite hair color
other eyes
>different jawline
The only thing they have in common is the bangs sort of, and the back of the hair is also different.

>>718759440
Disingenuous nitpicking

>>718759502
In what way does he look like him then?
Do you also think Furio looked like Phoenix?

>>718758781
I agree with that. It's also VERY difficult compared to most of the original tribology.

>>718760016
*Trilogy

>Mia died in September 2016

Do you think she managed to listen to Blonde by Frank Ocean before she died?

Yjk she was HUGE on Channel Orange

>>718760016
it's also nearly as long as the entire rest of the game, which really confused me before i heard it was added for the DS version.

>>718759713
Strikingly similar face and expressions plus the black spikey parted bangs.

>>718760265
Yjk she was HUGE

>>718754115 (OP)
AAI2-3 is such a drag

>>718757285
>Kay is objectively the best AA sidekick)
For me it's Trucy

>>718757285
>Kay
While I like her, holy fuck can you tell she's bait for Edgeworth fangirls.

>>718760265

Mia's AotY 2016 was clearly Bottomless Pit

>>718761183
Trucy... had a rough transition to 3D

>>718754115 (OP)
>never received a confetti for his work
I wonder if this bothers him

>>718761368
AA4 had the best HD port, the trilogy looks like someone just traced over the sprite and used the fill bucket.

>Best AA sidekick
Check out this bird mate

>>718761856
>steals
no dignity

Tell me about Verity
Why do her breasts point upwards

>>718761621
They did an absolute shit job with 1-3. Looking at the GBA sprite sheet vs original renders It seems that they drew the arwork for the sprites, and after scanning + compressing + resizing them, they touched up the details to clean up the pixelwork so everything looked best for the GBA. But they didn't do jack shit for the hd release, just the mos generics of enlarge and filter. Looks like ass.
Apollo Justice has phenomenal artwork quality and the sprites look amazing in every system. They were probably drawn thinking forward as well.

>>718754115 (OP)
That's not his job.

>>718761621
I know for the Investigations remaster, the graphics are just the original illustrations before they were downscaled to fit the DS's resolution. The exact graphics that are in the remaster are in the artbook from a decade ago. I was always under the impression that the original trilogy remaster was the same. It definitely is for the CGs and backgrounds, but I'm not sure about the character sprites. I know for sure that the GBA/DS graphics are not pure pixel art. You can tell by looking at how lines are anti-aliased. They definitely used some sort of illustrations as a base.

>>718758919
It's established that women in the AA universe have even less braincells than men for the sake of le quirky comedy. You get exceptions only with the killers, but that's it.

>>718762782
To be fair even the woman killers are pretty fucking retarded, with Vasquez being the only real exception.

>>718762254
How is her Overruled in the remaster? The fan version sounds like shit.

>>718762918
All the killers except picrel are retarded since they got caught.

>>718762712
Noit's just an upscale of the sprites and then those were cleaned up.

>>718762712
Investigations or apollo levels of quality artwork for the original games simply does not exist and they weren't willing to create it for the occasion. The original trilogy comes of really lazy comparatively speaking.
When it comes to it the linework and artwork for the original games isn't really that hot and looks better on the original system because of both the manual work made after downscaling/manually editing each individual sprite, and downscaling naturally hiding imperfections by nature.

>>718754115 (OP)
He definitely did.

>>718763296
He technically did get caught, he just got away.

>>718762254
Hey Judge Gorgeous, may I please the court?

>>718763296
He didn't kill anyone in the games.
Not in the cases, at least.

>>718763339
That redraw makes Gumshoe look emaciated.

>>718763639
But he did kill Corrida

>>718763639
He absolutely did murder the victim on 2-4. He will never get arrested because he has infinite plot armor.

>>718754115 (OP)
Miles? what do you mean? it's clearly stated when you first meet him that he does everything to get the person jailed even less-then legal means
he 100% put innocent people behind bars he just doesn't care

>>718763689
I wonder if he got Engarde?

>>718763296
Killer from case 3 of GAA didn't get caught

>>718763736
Hop off von karma we know it’s you

>>718763915
Well considering he casually breaks into and out of a prison just to ask a dude a question in AAI2, I wouldn't hedge my bets on Engarde's survival after that tirade he goes on at the end of 2-4.

>>718754115 (OP)
He's a crook, anyway.
While he doesn't directly forge evidence, he illegally withholds evidence and also tells witnesses to omit details from their testimony unless explicitly asked if it's favorable for the defence.

>>718763296
Some have very smart plots, but they just happen to go against a protag who either bullshits his way to the truth or it's fucking Edgeworth.
They are all male characters though, the female killers tend to be either impulsive or kinda straightforward but with a lot of contriviances that make the case way harder than it should be.

>>718763689
I had to look it up since I last played it on the DS, I thought Engarde was actually the killer and hired Shelly to cover his ass. I guess I was wrong.

>>718763296
That's just a simple ice cream salesman anon.

>>718764498
There is a whole plot point about the fact Engarde is technically not the killer, so you get Adrian trying to fabricate evidence against him because she didn't really know about the whole hired assassin thing.

>>718754115 (OP)
It's implied that Edgeworth only prosecutes when he knows for sure the evidence says the defendant is guilty. In 1-5 he was fucking embarassed and meekly apologized to the whole court when an evidence is not accounted (Gantz fucked with him using Meekins) and also he didn't know he used forged evidence because the ones who forged them was Lana and Gantz and Edgeworth got angry as hell.

>>718757285
Based fellow Kaybro

>>718763956
Of course he got cought

In a fire

>>718755869
It is time to post it AGAIN.

>>718765398
lmao.
For how much I like a wall final boss, holy shit dude. He isn't really being too clever or anything.

>>718765527
>>718755869
>>718765398

>>718754115 (OP)
Statistically speaking, he did that.
He didn't fight for truth, but just to win. Also, tries to munipulate everything in order to win, and the judge is biased against the defense by default, as in this world is "guilty until proven innocent".

He is not incompetent, he was fighting to win, not for truth.

>>718764863
>Two faked assassination attempts in one pic
How did Kay do it?

>>718764863
>>718765952
Surprised it took so long for me to see such pictures.
When I first played AAI2 I also thought the Kay photo was exploitable as hell.

>>718763236
it sounds less high pitched so i prefer it.
I prefer her fan name because I can't pronounce her official name tho.
>>718764391
the director woman of 1-3 is like the sole exception from this that i can think of, hell she didn't even commit murder, it was self defense.
I wonder why that trial even had to happen but i guess it was easier to throw Powers under the bus than to admit "yeah the victim tried to kill me because i was blackmailing Hammer over killing my lover"
I like 1-3 but it's slightly weird, it's also one of the only cases in the series to last the full three days.

>>718757384
Doesn't matter, still shows that Phoenix has superior reasoning skills

>>718755706
in japan, lawyers (the defense) can't do the job of the detectives... the investigative part is on the police and prosecutors entirely, at best all you can do is gather info from outside that can help the investigation and your client directly
since AA is based in the japan law system with some US in the mix...
the police force is on the side of prosecutors (as in, not allowing the defense to look for evidence in the crime scene until late, or if at all in some cases unless you have some kind of permit)
he has to do it not because he can, but because he HAS to or else he can't defend his clients, AND because he can't pay any sort of private detective, otherwise, all of his cases would probably end up in guilty veredicts with many innocent people in prison if we were realistic
the fact that every case is solved with you barely winning IS because you did what would've been impossible without proper investigation (which remains on the prosecutor's side)
Edgeworth and Franziska literally gatekeeps the info they want and Phoenix has to obtain it from outer sources
i believe there was a case where you get to a key witness that the prosecutor had yet to reach, and when they do, they claim them as police protected, snatching and preventing you from further questioning

>>718768540
>the director woman of 1-3 is like the sole exception from this that i can think of
Wanna hear a joke?
Takumi initially intended her to be a man but then figured out every single culprit in the first game would have been male.

>>718769109
lmao, that's not wrong at all, thinking about it there's only one game in the series that lacks a female "killer", AA5.

>>718761368
haha it look like she jorking it

>>718754115 (OP)
Payne was the only good prosecutor on this franchise.

And the series mocks the character all the time.

>>718768540
>to last the full three days.
3-5 didn't last 3 days?

>>718769946
It's because he is bald and short.

Phoenix Wright is basically 4chan.

No such thing as an intellectually and morally competent lawyer.

>>718770064
Nah it was only two days, edgeworth/franziska the first day then phoenix/godot the second day
Hell it's a plot point that "Oh No we can't let this trial go on one more day because Maya's life will be at risk" which is similar to 2-4 but that's not important.
It's amusing how it establishes a 3 day rule then only really uses it in the first game and in the remake of the first game where it added a new case.

>>718769376
Honestly it's the only one that fits as far the 1st game goes.
Now in the second game you could go for making every culprit a woman with only minor changes(none in 2-1, make the acrobats sisters in 2-3, make the actors into actresses in 2-4 and Adrian into a man with a feminine name for that one contradiction.)

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