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Anonymous No.718759397 >>718759516 >>718759614 >>718759802 >>718759961 >>718760531 >>718761332 >>718761442 >>718761453 >>718761530 >>718761635 >>718761707 >>718761806 >>718762198 >>718762267 >>718762494 >>718762772 >>718762824 >>718762967 >>718763049 >>718763172 >>718764131 >>718765483 >>718765962 >>718766370 >>718766543 >>718767921 >>718768651 >>718768743 >>718769189 >>718770467 >>718771254 >>718771628 >>718775061 >>718776028 >>718777012 >>718779001 >>718779029 >>718783301 >>718784046 >>718785078 >>718785773
Evil fucking company.
Anonymous No.718759449 >>718759706 >>718763172
>unintentionally
>evil
Anonymous No.718759458
Dumb commie
Anonymous No.718759492 >>718760892 >>718761537 >>718761938 >>718763948 >>718764270 >>718767464 >>718770807 >>718771415 >>718771835 >>718784046 >>718786127
wtf is technofeudalism why do incels keep coming up with random buzzwords as an excuse for being virgin losers
Anonymous No.718759516 >>718759863 >>718762462 >>718762742 >>718763172 >>718777040
>>718759397 (OP)
>uninentionally
DRM is steams founding philosophy
If it wasnt gaben tho it would have been someone else, all this shit was always to be tested on gamers first then expanded to other parts of reality
Anonymous No.718759520
Based commie
Anonymous No.718759584 >>718762249
Yanis is one of those contrarian guys who loves to hear himself speak more than anything.
Absolutely insufferable type.
Anonymous No.718759614 >>718759767 >>718760945 >>718762891 >>718768219 >>718783458
>>718759397 (OP)
Valve gave PC gamers exactly what they wanted. Not their fault other companies saw that and decided to abuse it.
Anonymous No.718759706 >>718776240
>>718759449
>unintentionally
He's being generous, gabe is an ex-microsoft NIGGER, he knew what he was doing.
Anonymous No.718759732 >>718766895
Fuck Project 2025 and fuck the Heritage Foundation, fuck Trump and fuck the rightoids.
Anonymous No.718759767 >>718760783 >>718768387
>>718759614
>Valve gave PC gamers exactly what they wanted.
No one asked for fucking hats in TF2, retarded bootlicker
Anonymous No.718759802
>>718759397 (OP)
Digital is the future console cuck
Anonymous No.718759803 >>718760902 >>718761187 >>718763172 >>718763270 >>718772037
Valve unintentionally and accidentally cemented digital licensing for video games instead of full ownership of software.
Anonymous No.718759863 >>718760024 >>718763092
>>718759516
You faggots talk like Steam invented DRM. Steam using is the least secure, least invasive DRM system that's been broken decades ago and hasn't changed in years. Before Steam there were multiple cancerous DRM systems like StarForce some of which caused system instabilities and stopped worked entirely. Not to mention that some games, mostly old ones don't even implement Steam DRM meaning that you can run them without Steam Client just like gog releases.
Anonymous No.718759961 >>718760086 >>718783959 >>718784027 >>718786826
>>718759397 (OP)
This is why I don't buy from unethical companies. Support the good guys like Epic Games.
Anonymous No.718760024 >>718762320 >>718762934
>>718759863
do you get paid in gaben's sperm? because I don't know of a better reason for you to make such a retarded and desperate reach of an argument to compare an ancient, obscure east euro DRM that was used in a few games back in the early 2000's to engage in apologia for Valve's DRM, and thereby not even engaging with the real core issue here that is consumer ownership of software.
Anonymous No.718760086
>>718759961
I'll support the high seas, valve trannoid.
Anonymous No.718760531
>>718759397 (OP)
Valve got the idea from nexon and maplestory althoughever
Anonymous No.718760735 >>718783664
>according to its former economist
Nah, He's just bad man he quit or was fired and talks shit
Anonymous No.718760783
>>718759767
Then why is it so popular, retard? Because people love that shit and want it. It's not rocket science.
Anonymous No.718760892 >>718763431
>>718759492
>incel
>pic is just a high ranked politician from European Union who probably fucked hundreds women
Anonymous No.718760902
>>718759803
>it's the company that lets you host private servers
>focus on them
>nooooo, not the companies who actually abuse you
okay
Anonymous No.718760945 >>718761090 >>718768387
>>718759614
Who asked for lootboxes and paid mods again
Anonymous No.718761090
>>718760945
Gamers did by supporting it with their wallet.
Anonymous No.718761120
You can't make me hate Yanis, or Zizek.
Anonymous No.718761187 >>718762167 >>718763329 >>718767334 >>718785327 >>718786127
>>718759803
Microsoft did that in the late 70s. They invented software licensing in a world where shared freeware had previously been the norm. By the time games were being sold on cartridges for the Atari 2600, or on a floppy disk you did not own the game. Microsoft created the concept of implied licenses to the physical media.

Valve is now the only company really working to shift PC Gaming to GNU/Linux, the only viable Free platform remaining. The are also the only ones standing up to Microsoft's new toxic trend of enforcing their dominance of your computer through forced installation of Rootkit Malware. Using third-parties so-called "anti-cheat" to lock you to their platform.
Anonymous No.718761332 >>718761415 >>718771720
>>718759397 (OP)
reminder that this guy was minister of finance during the greek debt crisis
Anonymous No.718761352
Proper weirdo this guy.
Anonymous No.718761415
>>718761332
Doesn't mean he caused it. Pretty sure he came in after that had started.
Anonymous No.718761442
>>718759397 (OP)
It's true. I've been saying this for years. TF2 crates were the beginning of the end.
Anonymous No.718761453 >>718762468 >>718762843
>>718759397 (OP)
>>718144515
Anonymous No.718761530
>>718759397 (OP)
>unintentionally rentseeking kike

lmao
Anonymous No.718761537 >>718761628 >>718762341 >>718763882 >>718764068
>>718759492
because communists can't come out and say that the usa is a socialist country with a centrally managed economy run by career party men
Anonymous No.718761628
>>718761537
>usa is a socialist country
only if you are black - then you get literally everything paid by the state
Anonymous No.718761635
>>718759397 (OP)
It’s true but like they said it’s unintentional. If Valve didn’t do it another game would’ve.
Anonymous No.718761707
>>718759397 (OP)
pay denbts
Anonymous No.718761806 >>718764747
>>718759397 (OP)
Wow, I wonder what they did that could possibly be that bad
>*opens link*
>Its just him seething about the Scorch Shot for 20 pages
Anonymous No.718761938
>>718759492
>implying incel isn't a buzzword
Anonymous No.718762167
>>718761187
Who gives a fuck who invented what, as long as capitalism reigns supreme with no guardrails some cunt is going to come up with a way to monitize.
Anonymous No.718762198
>>718759397 (OP)
>games are dirt cheap after costing 4 gorillion dollars for one year and most companies dont bother with DRM
>epic has literally given away free games for the past five years to compete

Remind me how this is bad?
Anonymous No.718762249 >>718786703
>>718759584
he's greek
Anonymous No.718762267
>>718759397 (OP)
>valve did a thing nearly 20 years ago so you can't blame other corpos for being evil!
Anonymous No.718762320
>>718760024
>and thereby not even engaging with the real core issue here that is consumer ownership of software.
well it seems the core issue for (You) is in fact consumer purchases of software because he did actually address that point in the rest of the post
Anonymous No.718762341
>>718761537
>usa is a socialist country
Not for whites.
Anonymous No.718762462 >>718763309 >>718779096
>>718759516
True gamers would have rejected it. But the advent of consoles changed the market to where NPC consumers are the dominant participants in the hobby.
For every actual and legit game hobbyist, there are 10000 NPC consumers who worship consoles and brands and give no shits about the actual games.
Because the NPC consumer isn't self aware, lacks internal dialogue, and is only concerned with triablism and brand loyalty... Companies can do whatever they want.
Anonymous No.718762468 >>718763659
>>718761453
if its such a conspiracy why havent they just accidented gaben at this point its not like hes the healthiest man on the planet
Anonymous No.718762494 >>718762643
>>718759397 (OP)
All billionaires are evil. Including Gabe
Anonymous No.718762643 >>718763036 >>718763840 >>718763871
>>718762494
Gabe is an angel. Say 1 (ONE) thing he has done wrong.
Anonymous No.718762653 >>718763234 >>718767987
>Valve forced us to put microtransactions in our games and charge $80 for digital licenses!
Anonymous No.718762742
>>718759516
>DRM is steams founding philosophy
Steam exists because Valve had a shitty deal with Vivendi for retail, they were about to launch Half-Life 2 and digital distribution was a workaround
It also happened that around the same time all companies were abandoning PC gaming so Valve was literally the only player, all the other fuckers don't get to bitch about the monopoly, they fucking left the market and now they're whining
Anonymous No.718762772 >>718763049 >>718769586
>>718759397 (OP)
Bethesda deserves the blame more
Anonymous No.718762824
>>718759397 (OP)
>varoufaggish
Anonymous No.718762843
>>718761453
>Gabe rapes you of game ownerships rights
>Look what the jews made him do
Anonymous No.718762891 >>718783458
>>718759614
Nobody asked for it. It only worked because they took HL2 and CS hostage.
Anonymous No.718762934
>>718760024
>that was used in a few games
hello zoomer.
>the real core issue here that is consumer ownership of software.
consumers have literally never owned software and that includes physical games.
Anonymous No.718762967 >>718763341 >>718764025
>>718759397 (OP)
>unintentionally

LOL

I've been saying this shit since the moment Steam came out just like Just like Microsoft live,Just like DLC, just like Micro-transactions,Just like paid Modding etc.

Looks like me and everyone with a functioning brain back then was of course right all along.
Anonymous No.718763036
>>718762643
Incoming Artifactfag
Anonymous No.718763049 >>718763309 >>718763384
>>718759397 (OP)
>>718762772
Fuck that, gamers deserve the blame, they were the ones that bought the horse armor and tf2 hats and enabled all this shit. No single consumer demographic accepts as much hardcore ass fucking as gamers, except maybe gamblers.
Anonymous No.718763092 >>718765219 >>718765394 >>718766305 >>718766563
>>718759863
People here are WAY too young to remember old DRM that literally broke your computer. Or the precursor to game key cards where games came with a physical dongle that had to be plugged into a USB port at all times or else the game wouldn't run. Do they really want to go back to this?
Anonymous No.718763172 >>718763272 >>718766121 >>718769968 >>718783552
>>718759397 (OP)
>>718759449
>>718759516
>>718759803
Not only did Newell start digital licensing for video games instead of full ownership of software, he is also one of co-inventors of microtransactions, live service games and other evils
Anonymous No.718763234 >>718763537 >>718764032
>>718762653
>imagine defending gabe newell
Anonymous No.718763259
I hate that dirty Greek commie.
Anonymous No.718763270
>>718759803
t b h we had shit like secuROM before steam
Anonymous No.718763272
>>718763172
and still people suck his dick. He is a good businessman at least, managing to con all these sheep
Anonymous No.718763309
>>718763049
>Gamers deserve the blame
See >>718762462
There are very few legit gamers left.
Anonymous No.718763329 >>718763951
>>718761187
They also put your games, oops, their games they licensed to you at google's mercy.
If tomorrow chrome only runs on google-certified hardware, steam does also because guess what, THEY BUILT IT ON FUCKING CHROME.
Anonymous No.718763341 >>718763895
>>718762967
Software licenses tied to an account had clear advantages over the licenses tied to physical media and the invasive malware other vendors were pushing at the time.
Valve's only real failing is allowing other companies to sell games on their platform that force third-party malware to play a game.
They would be in much better shape if they had required open formats, and restricted platform-specific third-party software distributed with but not related to the game.
Anonymous No.718763384
>>718763049
>Fuck that, gamers deserve the blame, they were the ones that bought the horse armor and tf2 hats and enabled all this shi-

Nah nigga this ain't on all of us.Gamers of old were calling this shit out the moment it happened.
Anonymous No.718763431 >>718782512 >>718783572
>>718760892
*children
Anonymous No.718763516
Isn't it the gayreek that used TF2 as a guinea pig to figure out the most effective way to extract MTX money? Subsequently ruined CSGO in the process
Anonymous No.718763537
>>718763234
>Imagine defending the only half decent game store
If they kill steam you're be paying $50 as a monthly subscription for your EA, Battle.net, Ubiplay accounts, etc
Anonymous No.718763659
>>718762468
It's not as easy as it used to be.
Anonymous No.718763840 >>718763969
>>718762643
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by canceling the Artifact 2.0 beta and I forgot the rest.
Anonymous No.718763871
>>718762643
Invented lootboxes
Anonymous No.718763882 >>718784029
>>718761537
it's socialism for the rich. feudalism for the poor.
Anonymous No.718763895 >>718764196 >>718764258
>>718763341
>Software licenses tied to an account had clear advantages over the licenses tied to physical media

Lolno they didn't. You owned physical copies. You don't own Steam rentals.
Anonymous No.718763948
>>718759492
it's not difficult to understand. It's the concept that tech bros are the feudal lords of today, and we are all the serfs
Anonymous No.718763951 >>718785032
>>718763329
What were they supposed to use besides the open source KHTML browser engine?
Trident was Microsoft-only so when they wanted to start supporting other platforms that was out. If you don't like that KHTML drops support for EOL OSes if they still used Microsoft's browser engine that would have given Microsoft even more power to fuck with Valve when they EOL their products.
Gecko has never been as easy to separate out and use for embedded applications compared to KHTML.

Its not Valve's fault or Google's fault that nobody wants to support closed source OSes abandoned by Microsoft. Or that right now the most actively maintained branch of KHTML available to the public is mostly sponsored by Google. If Google becomes a big enough issue it will get forked away from them and abandoned. Just like what happened to Apple's KHTML branch.
Anonymous No.718763969
>>718763840
They cancelled development on it after the first wave of people immediately stopped giving a fuck after playing 2.0 for an hour.
They tried really hard to make that thing work, they just couldn't do it. The game is also still playable.
Anonymous No.718764025 >>718764420
>>718762967
>I've been saying this shit since the moment Steam came out just like Just like Microsoft live,Just like DLC, just like Micro-transactions,Just like paid Modding etc.
>I've been saying this shit
no you haven't
Anonymous No.718764032
>>718763234
Some people just love the truth to such an extent that they are even willing to agree with somebody who's richer than them.
Anonymous No.718764068 >>718769801
>>718761537
>Socialist country
>With no basic socialist tenets like public healthcare
>With that hyperimperialist stance towards the rest of the world
These are the "people" who call you a useful idiot
Anonymous No.718764131 >>718764215 >>718768993
>>718759397 (OP)
>gabe openly admitted the main reason for your account being tied to a cdkey was to stop people being able to trade their games in to second hand stores or swap with friends
>retards be like 'ay no bro gaben be based xd'

Get fucked retards.
Anonymous No.718764196 >>718766569
>>718763895
>You owned physical copies.
You owned the physical storage itself, but not the actual software on it, which has always simply been licensed to you. Similar to how you don't actually own any modern consoles, you're just renting them from Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft.
Anonymous No.718764215 >>718764978
>>718764131
>What are steam family libraries alex?
Anonymous No.718764258 >>718764452
>>718763895
>You owned physical copies.
The physical media yes. The games on the physical media, no. Those you only had an implied license to access. A license which was tied to the media, and to any additional DRM the vendor chose to force.
In a legal sense if anything went wrong with either portion, the license was no longer valid.
Anonymous No.718764270 >>718775885
>>718759492
He's just talking about "the c word", but you can't outright say the c word because propaganda is too strong and people would get upset.
So he invented a new term which means the same but doesn't rustle so many jimmies.
Anonymous No.718764420 >>718764642
>>718764025
>Because I was brainless paypig with absolutely no foresight that means everyone else was too.

A hard head makes a soft ass.
Anonymous No.718764452 >>718764721 >>718765175
>>718764258
You could legally sell them ergo you owned them.
Anonymous No.718764642 >>718765346
>>718764420
you didn't have any foresight and you didn't say it and therefore you can't point to you having said it at the time
Anonymous No.718764721 >>718764839 >>718764856
>>718764452
You couldn't copy and legally sell the copies ergo you didn't own them.
Anonymous No.718764747
>>718761806
>He doesn't use the oxford comma.
What a dumb nigger.
Anonymous No.718764764
People have truly forgotten what games were like in the last couple of years before Steam.
>Sorry you can't play the game because your CD drive is not compatible with our game
>Anti-piracy that fries some CD drives
>7 hours downloading 2mb patch from Ubisoft crappy server just to play the game
>"3 activations left"
>You need a disc to run the game
>You scratched the disk a little while taking it out so the game is ruined
>Bought complete garbage again because it's impossible to tell if a game is any good from the cover and description and journals lie as usual
>Can't even refund the game because it has some kind of anti-piracy protection that limits the number of activations or simply prevents the game from being launched on any other PC
Popularization of DRM began even before Steam and is not related to it in any way. Steam has actually made developers pay less attention to anti-piracy protection
God bless Steam and Gabe
Anonymous No.718764839 >>718764952
>>718764721
Are you unable to distinguish reselling from distribution?
Anonymous No.718764856 >>718765081
>>718764721
I did therefore I could ergo you're wrong
>muh laws
cry about it, kike
Anonymous No.718764952 >>718765260
>>718764839
Are you unable to distinguish between ownership and non-ownership? You can legally resell AND distribute things you actually own.
Anonymous No.718764978 >>718766203
>>718764215
something he only did years after the first scam

Anything else, sar?
Anonymous No.718765028
VAROUFAKIS AND TSIPRAS DID NOTHING WRONG
Anonymous No.718765081
>>718764856
>I did therefore I could ergo you're wrong
>muh laws
That's fine, it just means you consider digital games the same as physical ones, since you can resell both.
Anonymous No.718765175
>>718764452
Transferring the implied license worked this way for some games, but PC games with invasive DRM tied to Windows made this difficult or impossible.
Digital distribution with no DRM or simple account checks won out for a while at least because it was more user friendly than the invasive Windows rootkit malware some vendors had pushed.

Many of those same vendors who are once again pushing invasive Windows rootkit malware in the name of "anticheat", when the malware does nothing to actually prevent cheating.
Anonymous No.718765179
>valve does bad things
>WELL WHATABOUT OTHER COMPANY
Anonymous No.718765219
>>718763092
You are trying to argue with paid pajeets
Anonymous No.718765260 >>718765454
>>718764952
You own YOUR copy, it's not a hard concept.
You can sell the copy you own, you can't make more copies, just like you can't sell burned audio CDs and xeroxed books.
Anonymous No.718765346
>>718764642
Okay.
Anonymous No.718765394
>>718763092
There was a grand total of 3 games that did this and they were some autistic military simulators meant as a training tools for soldiers, not vidya games. Usually the worst case was a cd-check that was easily bypassed.
Don't try to invent history, I was there.
Anonymous No.718765454 >>718765625
>>718765260
>You own YOUR copy, it's not a hard concept.
No, you own YOUR license which is attached to your copy.
>You can sell the copy you own, you can't make more copies, just like you can't sell burned audio CDs and xeroxed books.
Exactly, because those things are also licensed.
Anonymous No.718765483
>>718759397 (OP)
Valve did bad shit but the most other companies are so bad that they're basically good guys
Anonymous No.718765625 >>718766279
>>718765454
You really are determined to die on this semantics hill.
When I bought a boxed game I owned it, because I could sell it. What you call the mechanics underneath and whether you're correct or not makes no difference.
Legally the case was clear.
Anonymous No.718765824 >>718766921
Glad they came out with the Deck, they deserved the humbling.
Anonymous No.718765962
>>718759397 (OP)
You called them evil, yet you posted a title that says "unintentionally". You sure would be a shit lawyer.
Anonymous No.718765968 >>718766254 >>718766426 >>718766774
people seem to think that if x company hadn't started "thing", then "thing" wouldn't exist today. how stupid can you be? "thing" would've just been invented by someone else. anything that is a direct result of its times will exist. someone will make it.
Anonymous No.718766121 >>718766389 >>718766783
>>718763172
> apple takes 30% royality
greedy fucks
> steam takes the same
WOW GABEN SO COOL!
Anonymous No.718766203
>>718764978
>Anything else, sar?
Yeah we don't sign our posts here sukdeep
Anonymous No.718766254 >>718766774
>>718765968
It's not even about inventing it, they just popularized a bunch of gay shit.
Anonymous No.718766279 >>718766526
>>718765625
>You really are determined to die on this semantics hill.
Yes, in this discussion about definitions in which I know what I'm talking about and you don't, I am definitely the one dying on a semantics hill.
>When I bought a boxed game I owned it, because I could sell it.
Yes, you can sell your license. You can sell digital licenses as well.
>Legally the case was clear.
It actually wasn't. The console manufacturers tried to block consumers from being able to resell their games by arguing that the licenses were attached to the purchasers rather than the games themselves. They had to be sued for it to become legal.
Anonymous No.718766305 >>718766489
>>718763092
the worst DRM (like starforce) was only ever used in europe. US publishers knew better than to fuck with their customers like that. euros ruined the PC industry for everyone.
Anonymous No.718766370
>>718759397 (OP)
Valve isn't responsible for consoles being DRM addled prison boxes that suck fat cock. I have full control over my games on PC.
People who think plastic disc/cartridge = game ownership are 80 IQ retards.
Anonymous No.718766389
>>718766121
Wait till you find out how much brick and mortar stores take, how hard it is to get on their shelves, and how much walled garden platforms cost to access.
Steam could be better, but it won because everything else before it was so much worse.
Anonymous No.718766426 >>718766562 >>718766879 >>718767024
>>718765968
DRM would have still been created but it wouldn't have launched off the way it did.
Anonymous No.718766489 >>718768780
>>718766305
It wasn't DRM but wasn't there a game that uninstalled your OS if you ran the uninstaller because the people that programmed it were retarded? I think that was in the US.
Anonymous No.718766526 >>718766580
>>718766279
>You can sell digital licenses as well.
No you can't.

>They had to be sued for it to become legal.
Yeah and then the case became legally clear.
Anonymous No.718766543
>>718759397 (OP)
>created this system in the first place
>blames vavle
Anonymous No.718766562 >>718766867
>>718766426
You're right, it would have been way worse.
Anonymous No.718766563
>>718763092
It's just desperate fudposting consolefags. Which is ironic because they don't even own their hardware anymore.
Anonymous No.718766569
>>718764196
*Does not apply in Europe
They'll still fucking try.
Anonymous No.718766578
Wokists really REALLY hate steam for some reason and work tirelessly to try to turn gamers against it. They've identified steam as a locus of chuddidity and place of refuge from their propaganda
Anonymous No.718766580 >>718767040
>>718766526
>No you can't.
Yes you can. What do you think a CD key is?
>Yeah and then the case became legally clear.
Yes, which is to say that it wasn't legally clear until then.
Anonymous No.718766684 >>718766780
Why doesn't Nexon ever get any blame? They literally take pride in the fact that they revolutionized monetization in video games.
Anonymous No.718766774
>>718765968
>>718766254
Tablets existed years before the iPad but it would have remained a niche item if Apple didn't attach their brand appeal to it. Someone else could very well have very well come up with Steam and hats before Valve, but Valve used their good (s)will in the PC gaming market to normalize it in a way that a EA or a Ubisoft wouldn't have been able to, even if they made something functionally identical.
Anonymous No.718766780
>>718766684
Because /v/ is too horny to blame Koreans for selling bikinis and other coomer shit
sage No.718766783 >>718767407
>>718766121
>calling apple greedy fucks over an industry standard
>ignores all the EU regulations that have forced Apple to let people buy any charging cable or accessories they want instead of being forced into the Apple ecosystem
Yes its because of their 30% app store fee that everyone thinks Apple is a greedy company. Nice strawman faggot
Anonymous No.718766867
>>718766562
And that would have been a good thing because it'd have received more pushback.
Anonymous No.718766879 >>718767642
>>718766426
Lol? Steam's DRM provided zero disavantages to publishers. They would flock to any option they could except making it DRM free. Look at how much of a wild west PC Gaming was from 2005-2011 with its dozen of storefronts and copy protections.
Anonymous No.718766895 >>718767006
>>718759732
But also fuck leftoids and their wokeshit. Fuck trannies, and fuck you, for pushing the left away from being about freedom and free speech.
Anonymous No.718766921
>>718765824
I love that the deck lives so rent free in every tendie's empty head.
Anonymous No.718767006 >>718768193
>>718766895
But above all those, fuck Project 2025 and fuck the Heritage Foundation, fuck Trump and fuck the rightoids.
Anonymous No.718767024
>>718766426
DRM existed long before Steam and was way worse.
Anonymous No.718767040 >>718767582
>>718766580
Cd-key is just an authentication method. It's not a license in itself.
You buy a cd-key, you're not able to play the game. You need to exchange it for an actual license on a service like Steam, or use it to authenticate your physical copy.
Anonymous No.718767334 >>718768701
>>718761187
It’s not their linux it’s someone’s else’s operating systems. Valve put Proprietary Software, they refused to make it open source. Forced you to use Steam Client. Make you sign a contract waving away class action lawsuits. Lied about everything in Australia court to stop refunds.

They are not the good guys, they’re a corporate and they care about money.
Anonymous No.718767407 >>718776894
>>718766783
>ignores all the EU regulations that have forced Apple to let people buy any charging cable or accessories they want instead of being forced into the Apple ecosystem
I don't think you know what being in the ecosystem means because it's not charging cables. Being in an ecosystem is spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on Steam, PSN, Xbox LIVE, the eShop etc and everything you bought is locked to that company's products and/or storefront which dissuades you from leaving the brand. Video games are worse than anything else on the planet for locking you into an ecosystem.
Anonymous No.718767464
>>718759492
He had a cool interview over here that explains the term.

Amazon doesnt sell a lot, almost everything you buy is from someone else but people pay amazon to sell. So amazon is nothing more then a techno landlord in the same way steam kind of works.
Capitalism means you make shit and sell shit, but 90%+ of amazons profit is from someone else using their "land". So a lot of giant companies take all the profit by adding no value themselfs.
Anonymous No.718767582
>>718767040
>Cd-key is just an authentication method. It's not a license in itself.
Sure, but so is a cartridge and a disc. However, the licenses are attached to them and when you sell one you're effectively selling your license.
Anonymous No.718767642
>>718766879
people legit forgot about direct2drive and tages
Anonymous No.718767921
>>718759397 (OP)
100% the internet and people's addiction to convenience. Valve had fuck all to do with it, it was inevitable.
And the only problem with digital is on consoles and subscription bullshit. It's a non-issue on PC.
Anonymous No.718767931 >>718768195 >>718768498 >>718773648
>Want to install old game from disc
>CD key lost
>DRM doesn't work on newer systems
>DRM works but may brick your PC

>Install game on Steam
>Devs are free to make it DRM free if they want so you can run it without being logged in

B-BUT GABE IS LE EVIL!!!
Anonymous No.718767987 >>718768092
>>718762653
Anonymous No.718768092 >>718768290
>>718767987
Nintendo is the only one without an all digital SKU.
Anonymous No.718768102
>people convinced themselves it's worth paying full retail price for a bunch of bytes that you don't even get to keep

The greatest swindle since the holocaust.
Anonymous No.718768193
>>718767006
Death to America, simple as.
Anonymous No.718768195
>>718767931
β‚Ή0.02 have been deposited to your steam wallet SIR
Anonymous No.718768219 >>718768850 >>718769775
>>718759614
They didn't though, what they gave was the path of least resistance. Their DRM was slightly less invasive, but all the same they walled a bunch of shit behind their storefront that people begrudgingly put up with. Even then, it's only really because almost everyone else was so much worse, and because they gradually worked towards getting the bulk of the market behind one storefront so you didn't have to deal with a random assortment of bullshit, that it became a lesser evil that gamers accepted out of convenience. Should also add that they used to have really "generous" sales as a "boiling frog" kind of tactic, which really helped them with both shitting on their competitors and with knee-capping the thriving piracy culture.
Anonymous No.718768290
>>718768092
So? You don't even own the console anymore and all the games are at the mercy of Nintendo's whims, arrogance and greed. It's basically a rental service hidden behind a physical sale.
Anonymous No.718768387
>>718759767
>>718760945
CSGO wasn't popular until they added microtransactions.
Anonymous No.718768498 >>718768850 >>718768936 >>718769162 >>718769313
>>718767931
>Consoles install games from discs that you own and are more secure than digital files
>IMPOSSIBLE ON PC
>WE MUST SELL DIGITAL DOWNLOADS ONLY FOR EXACTLY THE SAME PRICE
Anonymous No.718768579 >>718768715
im under the impression that most people have no concept of finances if the money is not physical.
Anonymous No.718768651
>>718759397 (OP)
>"I have an opinion" says retarded expert
Anonymous No.718768701 >>718774370
>>718767334
>they refused to make it open source.
All the most important parts of the GNU/Linux gaming stack that Valve contributes to are 100% open source.
Epic, GoG, or other companies operating game stores could easily adopt the work that Valve has done as their own and offer similar competing products. They haven't done it.

>It’s not their linux it’s someone’s else’s operating systems.
Do you understand what GNU/Linux is? That's the point. Even with SteamOS itself, Valve has far less control than Microsoft has over their OS.
Anonymous No.718768715
>>718768579
That's why (((they))) want a cashless society.
Anonymous No.718768743
>>718759397 (OP)
I'm sure Valve is somehow responsible for Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo selling you a DRM box and making you pay a second time to allow it to access the internet.
Anonymous No.718768780 >>718769235
>>718766489
Myth 2 by Bungie. It deleted your entire root directory if you placed the game there and ran the uninstaller. Thankfully, Bungie actually recalled all of the OG copies and fixed that bug when they found it. Still a fucking wild error to actually make in the first place.
Anonymous No.718768804
nah valve and steam is great, I hope they stay private forever
Anonymous No.718768850 >>718768917 >>718769335
>>718768498
Consoles don't install shit from discs today and they cost the same as digital on the same platform, retard.
>>718768219
>Make games affordable
>Piracy reduces
NO FUCKING WAY HOW CAN GAYBEN BE SO EVIL?
Anonymous No.718768917
>>718768850
>Consoles don't install shit from discs today
Yes they do.
> they cost the same as digital on the same platform
Don't care, just don't buy digital.
Anonymous No.718768936 >>718769112 >>718769116
>>718768498
>Only companies able to afford printing discs and putting them in brick and mortar stores are AAA developers
>Indie scene never grows
>This is somehow a better future than what we have now.

Here's the part where you say all indies are shit to justify your retarded position.
Anonymous No.718768993
>>718764131
You mean during the time when people like Tim Sweeney said that every video game dev needs to stop selling games on the PC market because it all gets pirated?
Anonymous No.718769112
>>718768936
No, here's the part where I ask you where I said that digital games should not be available?
Anonymous No.718769116
>>718768936
heres the 5 updoots from all 5 physical game collectors remaining
Anonymous No.718769162 >>718769354
>>718768498
>>Consoles install games from discs that you own and are more secure than digital files
Bullshit. You could lose your entire console collection overnight in an accident or just over time. On PC you can freely backup and transfer your games.
Anonymous No.718769189
>>718759397 (OP)
>game industry circa 2004:
>hey, stop making games for PC, there's no DRM and any kid with a CD burner can steal your games
>make games for console which are protected by proprietary formats and hardware by default
>you even get to charge them for online access twice and you can overcharge them for additional storage mediums
Anonymous No.718769235 >>718784067
>>718768780
Must have been a Windows-only bug, I don't recall having that issue with the native version for GNU/Linux based OSes.
Bungie before the Microsoft take-over was mostly known as a MacOS and GNU/Linux game developer. It wouldn't surprise me they would have an issue on a poorly designed platform like Microsoft Windows.
Anonymous No.718769313 >>718769542
>>718768498
>FOR EXACTLY THE SAME PRICE
lol lmao I haven't spent more than $5 for a video game in about a decade thanks to how cheap everything is on PC. I'd pity consoleplebs if they weren't so dumb and uppity.
Anonymous No.718769335 >>718769737 >>718770246
>>718768850
Their sales are shit now, and you're delusional if you think the current release prices for digital games are even remotely acceptable. You've got shit going for $80. $80 for fucking data, and even if it goes on sale for 50% off (which is considered a good sale these days), $40 is still a rip-off for fucking DATA. I'll accept paying that much for physical copies with resale value that doesn't rely on a server to verify the license, but I'm not paying double that for a fucking digital serial code with a temporary licensing agreement.
Anonymous No.718769354
>>718769162
I'm talking about piracy. An argument for PC being all digital was that they had a million DRM methods with physical games because piracy.
Anonymous No.718769542 >>718769863
>>718769313
No one asked you for your purchasing habits.
>Consoles don't have sales
lol
Anonymous No.718769586 >>718770686
>>718762772
Maplestory already did that years before, with random lootboxes to boot.
Anonymous No.718769737
>>718769335
Correct. Also one thing zoomers don't understand was that everything on Steam used to launch $10 cheaper than the console counterparts until they realized they could charge identical prices for a lesser product.
Anonymous No.718769775
>>718768219
>slightly less invasive
Way fucking less invasive and piss easy to crack. What valve's drm did was convince publishers who want drm to bring all their games to pc, something gog could never do.
>they walled a bunch of shit behind their storefront that people begrudgingly put up with
Like what? All the features people actually like steam for?
Anonymous No.718769801
>>718764068
>hyperimperialist stance
>>like having no formal empire
I understand you want to be dramatic but you're trying to say someone else is an idiot here
Anonymous No.718769863
>>718769542
>intentionally missing the point this hard
Whatever, shlomo
Anonymous No.718769968 >>718780176 >>718782251 >>718789363
>>718763172
No the koreans invented and popularized mtx in live service games and they did it through selling lootboxes to kids
Anonymous No.718770246
>>718769335
And all this data is dead once you stop using Steam, you cannot bequeath your account to a family member.
Anonymous No.718770273
>Death to America, simple as.
Anonymous No.718770325
Gaben haters get the rope
This is a valve neighborhood
Kill yourself
Anonymous No.718770467
>>718759397 (OP)
No corporation is anyone's friend, but in this industry Valve is by fucking far one of the best.
Anonymous No.718770686
>>718769586
The problem with horse armor is that Oblivion was a full priced game,
Anonymous No.718770807
>>718759492
Platform capitalism (30-40%+ of the fruit of one's labor belongs to the landlord by default), a concept of 'ownership' that means absolutely nothing even when when a transaction is supposedly a 'purchase', and the mediation of all complaints by an arbitration body picked by the company, not a real court of law.
Anonymous No.718771254
>>718759397 (OP)
Steam also brought down game shops, no need to buy physical games when you can just download them from steam.
And now you want to play that violent game? Hand over your personal information.
Anonymous No.718771415
>>718759492
It means you own nothing that you buy as tech companies can disable or revoke services. Another thing is that they're all into AI now and thar guzzles up copious amount of elecrcicity. The cost of tbe grid being stressed is passed onto people who want to have nothing to do with thar shit. You are paying tithes to fund them whether you want to or not
Anonymous No.718771628
>>718759397 (OP)
Had to make an account for my HTC Vive but never gave them a cent.
I am ancient; I am used to own what I buy, fat fuck Gaben.
Anonymous No.718771703
Guy is a total fucking leftoid hack and his policies almost collapsed Greece.
Anonymous No.718771720
>>718761332
Im not sure I remember well enough to say what role Yannis played in the crisis, but I do know that our financial shitshow goes way back. It was years of mismanagement from pasok and new democracy before he ever came into power

t. greek
Son of Eric !FugqPIgcrQ No.718771835
>>718759492
Because they cannot say the Z word.
Anonymous No.718772037 >>718772569 >>718774729
>>718759803
Software licensing was always the standard since it was on floppy discs you fucking retard. You NEVER owned it. Shit being always online is what cemented it.
Anonymous No.718772569 >>718773846
>>718772037
>You NEVER owned it
You did, they wanted to make you think you didn't but it was unenforceable until digital distribution.
Anonymous No.718773648
>>718767931
>Lose access to Steam account
>Lose all games
See how stupid you sound
Anonymous No.718773846
>>718772569
I have a few digital copy of games in my HDDs, as well as CDs and cartridges and even floppy disks!

Now come and take them from me.

I, own them.
Get it?
Anonymous No.718774370 >>718776041 >>718776301
>>718768701
>Proton is controlled by Valve employees, as you can see in their GitHub repository. Proton is not entirely open sourced as Valve refuses to give up the client requirement to run Proton. Linux community wants access to fix problems Valve refuses to fix, Valve doesn’t allow anyone to alter the code. Main code has yet to be updated in years, only changing the settings can one play certain games.

Proton is not open source.

SteamOS is not open source, they instead locked it down

Steam Client is not open source

SFM is not open source

Source Engine is not open source

All Valve corporation games are not open source.

Stop trying to convince us with lies. We know Valve Corporation will never release anything to the public. GNU/linux laws are being broken and you’re letting them get away with it.
Anonymous No.718774729
>>718772037
Supporting companies that do licensing isn’t going to fix anything. You’re part of the problem.
Anonymous No.718775061
>>718759397 (OP)
Lol they made dota 2 so I can overlook all the bs they did and yes valve has done a lot of bs currently they got the biggest money laundering operation going with cs2 but none of my business
Anonymous No.718775885
>>718764270
>the c word
cringe?
Anonymous No.718776028
>>718759397 (OP)
The fucking former Finance Minister of Greece was an "Economist in Residence" at Valve???? What the fuck
Anonymous No.718776041 >>718785165
>>718774370
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/blob/proton_10.0/LICENSE.proton
Anonymous No.718776240 >>718779626
>>718759706
oh so suddenly his word means nothing? why quote him then?
Anonymous No.718776301 >>718785165
>>718774370
Big retared take here. Proton is wide open. Downloads the src and do whatever you want with it. SteamOS is just fucking Arch but I wouldn't expect someone like you to know what the fuck to do with that. The Steam Client is a WebUI frontend to a CDN, what the hell do you want from that? Source has been leaked multiple times over the last 20 years and if you look around you can find a spanshot and learn from it. Yeah, it's not free as in beer, but again if you can't be bothered to look into the Proton source I doubt you could do anything with Source. Yeah, the games are not open source. What's the last major open source game you can think of? Doom 3 from 2006??
sage No.718776894 >>718783227
>>718767407
>Being in an ecosystem is spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on
How much is an iPhone? How much is a MacBook? How much is a Macintosh? An Apple Watch? How much is appleTV?
All these things are only usable withing apple hardware and won't work with other Unix-based operating systems. Can I use an Apple Watch with my android or will it force me to spend thousands on an apple product in order to keep using the product I bought.


Or maybe I'm just a retard who doesn't like having specific cables for stuff and not the fact that I cant use an apple product on a non apple product
Anonymous No.718777012
>>718759397 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF6IIp6YMjo
Do you feel in charge?
Anonymous No.718777040
>>718759516
I want to go back to the days before DRM and even CD keys.
Anonymous No.718778894
I would like to inform your majesty Mastercard that I will be indulging in big tit mods some time later today. The identification I will use is again my driver license even though I am too poor to own a car. Please to not confiscate my butter knives, I need one of the two to spread Bill Gates human waste butter on a ration of bread I paid $12.54 for eight weeks ago.
Anonymous No.718779001
>>718759397 (OP)
>t-tf2 hats!
sure, nevermind nexon and its ilk
or microsoft and xbox live
or bethesda and horse armor
valve may have done irreparable damage to game ownership, but don't lay all the blame at their feet
Anonymous No.718779029
>>718759397 (OP)
Some creep said something about vydia. Everyone panicked
Anonymous No.718779096
>>718762462
so you're saying that out of 10000 gamers only 1 is an anti-semite? that ratio is still too high, you bigot!
Anonymous No.718779278
Reminder that OP runs Windows 2000 and feels Valve forces people to upgrade their PCs to prohibitively expensive $150 models.
Anonymous No.718779626
>>718776240
Because we're in a paid anti-valve thread
Anonymous No.718779735
Yanis has been coming out with some proper shit takes since the left wing establishment ate shit and are looking for a new flag to rally behind.

Same as that Zizek cunt. The pipeline from outsider to mainstream grifter is real.
Anonymous No.718780176 >>718782251
>>718769968
FUCKING
THIS
IM TIRED OF KOREA'S AND NEXON'S ROLE IN MT BEING ERASED FROM HISTORY.
IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T SEEN HOW MAPLESTORY DOES TEMPORARY COSMETICS THAT EXPIRE, THEY HAVE NO POSITION TO SPEAK ON THIS.
Anonymous No.718782251 >>718783450
>>718769968
>>718780176
are you forgetting about jap gachapon?
how about the chink mu online and its cash shop? box of kundun? chaos machine RNG? etc.
Anonymous No.718782346
SAAR USE EPIC GAMNES
Anonymous No.718782512
>>718763431
fkin kek
Anonymous No.718782763
>fund elon musk neuralink brain chips, self driving mobile computer teslas
>blame Steam
lel
Anonymous No.718783227
>>718776894
Are you being stupid on purpose? Why would you isolate half a sentence that explains something you clearly still don't understand?
Anonymous No.718783301
>>718759397 (OP)
he might be right but he's also a commie. never trust commie.
Anonymous No.718783450
>>718782251
i concede you're more educated on this than me. I just hate it when people pretend Steam was GROUND ZERO for this shit.
Anonymous No.718783451 >>718783562
how did this commie gobbledygook even end up at valve?
Anonymous No.718783458
>>718759614
lol no

>>718762891
he's right, everyone hated steam when it came out. It was absolute garbage
Anonymous No.718783552
>>718763172
I love how stupid this board is
Anonymous No.718783562
>>718783451
theres a reason why it says former
Anonymous No.718783572
>>718763431
same thing
Anonymous No.718783648
>we accidentally released loot boxes, always online DRM, social media shit into gaming, promise ;)
Valve's fans are a literal cult.
Anonymous No.718783664
>>718760735
I believe he quit to be an economist for greece when the country went bankrupt
Anonymous No.718783801
Oh look, valve's competition still pays pajeets to spam this drivel there.
Go suck EA's cock somewhere else.
Anonymous No.718783959
>>718759961
go chew your remote Tim
Anonymous No.718784027
>>718759961
Eager to loudly shout what threads like this are really about, huh?
Anonymous No.718784029
>>718763882
this. It's socialism if you're rich, powreful, and connected. That's when you get massive government subsidies, contracts, and kickbacks.

If a poor person tried to do any of that they would be arrested and scolded by society/gov for being a very bad man.

I've completely lost faith in government and now take a "get whatever you can" atitude towards them. All legal loopholes in order to pay the least possible taxes, lying whever possible to gain government benefits, etc.

If they're going to forcefully extract my labor to pay for their corruption schemes I'm going to fight back and take as much as I can back.
Anonymous No.718784046 >>718786375
>>718759397 (OP)
Bethesda started it, and David Brevik wanted to do it with Diablo for that.
>>718759492
>I'm a fucking retard so everybody are incel

It describes contemporary society bisected into a global class of pensioners and speculators that live off of rent, tax and government subsidies allotted by crony capitalists funded by perpetual wage slaves that can't afford rent or mortgages while working 40-60 hour weeks competing with poop eating Indians being imported to undercut wages in high col metros.
Anonymous No.718784067
>>718769235
The Linux version was a port made by a different company. Obviously they would fix that bug by then. Said company also went bankrupt because turns out making Linux ports is not a viable business strategy lmao
Anonymous No.718784191 >>718784912
and yes, what we have today is socialism for the rich pensioners/financiers/jewish money changers/ speculators and rugged communism fuck you and die for the proles. It won't stop until a violent, global coordinated revolt that systemically assassinates the lords of Capital. That's pretty much the only way trickle down economics actually works when the entire world is competing in an open market.
Anonymous No.718784912 >>718785617
>>718784191
>It won't stop until a violent, global coordinated revolt that systemically assassinates the lords of Capital.

Either that, or the boomers finally croak just as the third worlds overpopulation finally runs out, multiplicating the value of labour and pulling the rug out under the whole thing.
Anonymous No.718785032
>>718763951
>Gecko has never been as easy to separate out and use for embedded applications compared to KHTML.
Not necessarily true (the separation part). Mozilla made XUL for this exact use case (and with that programs like Thunderbird or Zotero were born). Problem is that Mozilla is actually awful at making software and it was hard to use.
Anonymous No.718785078
>>718759397 (OP)
>someone invents axe for cutting trees
>is their fault for others using it to kill ppl
Anonymous No.718785165 >>718786771
>>718776041
>>718776301
>Doesnt understand how open source mean
You can’t and are not allowed to remove the Client only requirement. People had talked about this on reddit and Linux. Valve doesn’t allow it:

>Proton is a tool for use with the Steam client - Valve Corp

>Using Proton outside of Steam is unsupported and discouraged by both Valve and GloriousEggroll

https://github.com/Cesareuh/Proton-GE-without-steam

>Using Proton outside Steam is not recommended because Proton runs in a container and does use this specific environment and its libraries which are shipped with Steam.

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/11v0nf9/is_there_anyway_to_have_proton_working_without/

It’s not open source if it still requires Steam related content that isn’t available to the public.
Anonymous No.718785327
>>718761187
>They invented software licensing in a world where shared freeware had previously been the norm
anon the great software debacle started with a Xerox printer driver. they paid the programmer of that driver extra to withhold the source code a man known as richard stallman went personally to ask the dude for it and he refused.
this incident led to the founding of the free software movement because stallman was pissy that he couldn't reprogram the driver to send alerts to the lab's computers when a print job was stuck (actually a great feature)
tl;dr software went to shit thanks to printer companies
Anonymous No.718785617
>>718784912
That alone won't solve it.
The problem is that pensioners/speculators earning passive income or people rich on paper working a digital job remotely can relocate anywhere in theory, particularly any region or country with a cheap currency and low col. They have a high standard of living and high quality of life.

Labor working physical jobs with constrained finances are restricted to working and living in the region of their physical job and so are forced to reckon with that region's cost of living and their safety net being contingent on their employer, at least in America.

Even if that weren't the case, wage slaves are often restricted from moving due to finances and if not, countries with cheap currency and low col well below the mean often will protect their citizens and domestic market by restricting foreign immigration and citizenship unlike Jewish captured America, Canada and Europe.
The perverted thing is that when called upon by these poorer, desirable countries, the coalition will use government to enforce those restrictions in contradiction to their own markets.

The money that could be used to maintain a higher standard of living for a theoretical middle class is going to Zionist Jews and Christians for a doomsday pet project that requires the genocide of little kids and babies as acceptable collateral while they keep invoking the hall of cost and we maintain dependence with the other aggressors like the House of Saud for private kickbacks.
Anonymous No.718785773
>>718759397 (OP)
>unintentionally spread the adoption of online drm
>unintentionally invented lootboxes and season passes
>unintentionally spread the total digitalization of games
gaben and valve are the trailblazers of the new world
that's why he was made so rich
Anonymous No.718785907
I don't have all the answers but unfortunately I think the bare minimum to solving the problem requires an isolationist stance at some point, likely after requiring the complete dissolution of the global financial system based on the us dollar and a fake economy made on possibly the largest asset bubble in written history if not Human history.
Anonymous No.718786127 >>718786464
>>718759492
>technofeudalism
it's the retarded term the media invented for not owning anything
>walled gardens and denial of admin rights
>applications and your operating system keeps your data hostage. no backups allowed (see android requiring you to root to back up application data locally without (((the cloud))))
>the death of locally run software. services as a software substitute (saass)
>locked down media formats (e.g. ebook readers and books locked to one device)
>media (games, movies, series, etc.) delisting
>terms of service and codes of conduct that give companies discretion to ban you anytime
>automated bans from reports (a horde of morons can mass report you and get you banned)
>no means to appeal bans. no phone numbers or contact email addresses either. and no opportunities to migrate your data either
>deplatforming and debanking
>forced updates and reboots
>"enshittification" (i.e. patches that remove functionality and content, performance degradation, etc.)
>the internet of things (aka your sink is connected to the internet and joins a chinese botnet. alternatively, your sink is shut down when it goes EOL)
>(((remote attestation))) and other nefarious anti-consumer DRM schemes
>invasive permissions and spyware you're not allowed to turn off
all that shit and more
>>718761187
>the only viable Free platform remaining
you taking the piss retard? valve's proton is non-free. I bet they'll create their own walled garden in due time, forcing a massive row between freetards and pajeetdows rapefugees
Anonymous No.718786375
>>718784046
>with Diablo BEFORE for that.
is what I meant. If his account was accurate. He had the same idea in his head for Diablo expansions but given the primitive state of the digital economy, Blizzard told him it was stupid at the time.
Anonymous No.718786464
>>718786127
oh yeah and
>inability to repair your car or tractor without the blessing of the manufacturer. you must use their repair services or you're a filthy pirate thief!
captcha 2WNTR
Anonymous No.718786581 >>718790689
if it wasn't valve it would have been someone else
as long as consumers were willing to throw billions at these schemes, someone was going to come take their money
Anonymous No.718786639
>we have to update steam even though it's been working fine for years with no issues because.... we just have to okay?????
Steam should still be a green launcher that runs GAMES and that's it. It should also be able to run on Windows XP.
Anonymous No.718786703
>>718762249
the Socrates of our generation
Anonymous No.718786771
>>718785165
You absolutely can run Proton without Steam. Valve can't "allow" anything the fucking source is right in that other anon's link. DYK how to compile source code?
Anonymous No.718786826
>>718759961
>Support the good guys like Epic Games.
Anonymous No.718787334
People are shitting on Yannis because of the financial crisis but that was already rolling when he was Minister. He did a great job getting Greece the best deal he could given that the whole country was a financial shitshow, and he did it by making absurd, incredulous claims and forcing unearned concesssions from creditors. He's like a nigger mama that stands up in court when her nigger son is on trial and starts to cry to get him an easiest sentance. Yeah, maybe the tears are fake but they were effective.
Anonymous No.718789363
>>718769968
It was in the early 2000s, gacha (in virtual games) barely had a presence back then, even in asia.
Anonymous No.718790689
>>718786581
>yes goy it would have been someone else so it doesn't matter
it does matter and you're a kike