Thread 718759934

Can you really rawdog gamedev like that?

>>718759934 (OP)
project management is a meme. all you need is a team with willpower and a discord server.

>>718759934 (OP)
this is how you know they actually work

jira is the biggest memecancer to ever infest software "engineering".

Why id gamedev the only thing you can't rawdog?
Have no formal training in art but you can pick up a paintbrush and smear paint till you learn, have no formal training in music but you can strum a guitar or sing like shit till you learn, have no formal training in cooking but just mix ingredients that taste good till you learn
Why is coding the only thing you can't pull out your ass by sitting in front of a computer and just fiddling with the code?

>>718759934 (OP)
Yes

t. my boss keeps trying to make us use Jira but no one does it

>>718759934 (OP)
trello exists with the sole purpose that project managers and secretaries can pretend that they're doing something so they don't feel about getting a paycheck that triples the developer's.

>>718759934 (OP)
Project Management is the worst meme to happen to software development, if your team is talented and focused you don't need a monkey to make everyone waste hours with PM humiliation rituals.

>>718759934 (OP)
Project management is the biggest meme invented by managers to harass their supervisors to harass their employees. I got a management position at my software development job and half of my job is sitting in meetings with people with 0 clue asking if we're hitting our "targets".

>>718760160
You 100% need project management, otherwise it becomes a spiralling disaster where no one knows wtf what they are actually doing.

But most “project management” systems and overviews are fully performative, and the actual management that needs to be done is done informally and not part of the offical systems.

i just accidentally deleted my entire project with git-filter-repo (thankfully I still had Visual Studio open so i could salvage everything except the shaders, fonts, and placeholder sprites)
fuck all this bloated project management shit. all you need is an IDE. they didn't have all this shit back in the 90s, it's not necessary.

>>718759934 (OP)
Jira is, at least, better then Hansoft.

i'm alone developing and even i use trello, useful

>management keeps creating new boards, splitting them up and merging them together again because they can't keep track of what everyone's doing
>stuck with a super board shared by all teams until they decide to split it up again

I'd like to know what kind of companies you guys work at that you're so allergic to Jira. I'm a software engineer in B2B software, I'm not gonna talk to hundreds of customers to collate all their requirements and shit, that's what consultants are for. And I'm certainly also not gonna keep track of hundreds of bug tickets manually

>>718761476
>I'm not gonna talk to hundreds of customers to collate all their requirements and shit
Yeah
About that
If you are in big corp, this will not happen.
The smaller the company gets, the more time you will be bothered with customer wrangling.

>>718761893
And you don't think it's better to tell the customer to open a ticket?

Jira fucking sucks. The goobers I work for have one Jira server configured one way due to customer limitations, and another configured another way due to other customer limitations, but the teams work on both projects, so we have to juggle TWO boards. And because bugs created on one need to be viewable by people on the other with only access to one, we have to duplicate all tickets. It's absolutely gay. I just want to write code. Thank you for reading my anonymous annual review.

>>718762084
>ticket system
What next? AI auto-response?
But seriously, I had to develop software for country wide transport of supplies between warehouses and it was tasked to a 3 people room.
Everything was dumped by company representatives straight to my mail.
Do not ask how or why, I just tried to dev while chips & sauce companies pester me about efficiency of my solutions.
Boss thought I can do it just fine so no need to add intermediaries.

jira is jeet coded. if your company is using it then it speaks volumes about your management team.

>>718759934 (OP)
you just need a fucking excel file to manage projects, also JIRA is a slow piece of shit

All you need is a pen and some paper.

All you need is a guy who gets paid double your salary telling you what to do and wasting half your day in meetings

All you need is a stick and some dirt

>>718759934 (OP)
Jira is necessary because if you don't use it your team of 10 jeets will all take it upon themselves to do 10 random senseless refactors that don't help anything and all conflict with each other
t. token cracker

Sure are a lot of self taught """professionals""" in here.

>>718760608
all you need is maybe Trello to keep track on whoìs working at what. Jira is an absolute piece of shit that most of the times slow down developing.

>>718760608
this

t. successful PM

cherry is two coders, an artist and a composer, the fuck do they need jira for?

>>718764174
Keeping track of bug reports.

I wonder by how much Larkin upped his contract price for Silksong compared to HK

>>718759934 (OP)
If you don't even know what Jira is and you live in the west, then you're probably not a good dev

You fags have never worked a real job and it shows
>bro jira is for losers, i raw dog my organization and code
Ok faggot, then refactor the whole repo and sleep everyday at 1am. Ill be here writing some dumb shit to handle a json file and stop working at 5 on the dot.

>>718765238
Yeah, you need to ride the agile waterfall and open fifteen problem cards which you can only understand if you paid to get the QLM certification and installed the flimbo crimblo management software to be able to code instead of just creating a fucking three-column spreadsheet with just "priority," "problem," and "other notes"

>>718759934 (OP)
>use teamwork at work
>99% of the company uses it by just making tasks, that's it
>show a project manager how to do some extremely basic shit like making recurring tasks or some simple automation or whatever, task templates, kanban board etc
>she's mindblown, says i changed her entire workflow
love working with other people, you literally have basic spreadsheed knowledge and you're a god to them. have tons of shit like that to tell

fuck jira
fuck altassian
fuck jeeethub
fuck crapple
fuck microshaft
fuck hr

>>718765414
Okay now imagine you actually have a job and there's more than one person working there

>>718765414
If you aren't even aware of standard industry tools (don't have to actually use them at your job!), then it's not a good sign of your competence. But it's possible that game devs don't use Atlassian tools much at all.

The only thing thats useful is standups, project management is a meme to create bullshit jobs for adult daycare

Jira is fucking dogshit

>>718763916
what are you doing here wagie? get back to your mandatory 30-minute DEI meeting

Jira is meant for really big teams. If your studio has 200 people or more you aren't going to know what everyone else is already working on.

>>718765518
based! also fuck my job, and specially fuck the chink that steps into every single one of my pull requests to leave comments about stupid shit. NIGGER

We use Jira at my work. It makes me want to kill myself. Scrum calls are a daily humiliation ritual.

>>718766092
my daily goal is making the bare minimum so the next day I can make it look like I'm making progress during the daily meeting.

Unless you're coordinating 100+ people on a single project, this shit is just busy work to give some manager something to do and to waste everyone else's time.

That jira shit is a waste of time. Just let me work.

>>718759934 (OP)
>Can you really rawdog gamedev like that?
I mean, if they have hundreds of post-its to keep track of progress, maybe it's possible, but at that point you're just doing exactly the same jira does but analogue.

scrum masters are faggots

>>718765409
I work a real job and we only use Jira to keep up appearances and I work maybe an hour a day if at all.

>>718760046
>why can't people learn algebra by just writing numbers and letters together?

Isn't jira just a bloated "enterprise java" issue tracking application that integrates with atlassian's other bloated shit? Or has it evolved into something else? I haven't used it in years.

>>718760046
There are many engines and tools that make game development easy, and modding is a great gateway for learning if you want to fiddle with something pre-existing instead of making something from scratch first. It can totally be rawdogged or else we wouldn't have so much shovelware.

It's 3 people, a fucking txt file would be good enough. But I suppose it's not real dev work unless you have to deal with a bloated piece of shit, putting every little thing into a task and talking about it for 30 minutes every day so some faggot "Scrum Master" can justify his job.

>not misusing salesforce and spending millions to get some consultants to turn it into jira
do you even project management??

>>718759990
Honestly this.
Team Cherry is quite a small and tight-knit team, so they don't raelly need to track how things are going, because everyone knows their systems very very well and they likely trust each other to get shit done and get it done well.
Project management is when you add lots of people to your team and you can't keep track of what everyone is doing.
Jira and project management tools can be extremely helpful, but all too often they're bastardised by actually retarded middle management who literally do nothing but harrass the team and peer over your shoulder like adult daycare instead of being an asset to the team.
Then it gets further bastardised into a KPI and you learn to hate it.
>>718760608
For real. Most "Project Management" is cushy boomer jobs that they get all worked up justifying their existence by harassing the team with bullshit Having a simple list of tasks that you've got to get done to not step on each others' toes figuratively is important. Sitting around assigning meaningless points or estimates to shit is pointless busy work to make retards feel important.

>>718761231
Why not just add a few tags and then encourage other teams to tag their/your tickets as they come across them or spend an hour or so assigning all the tickets you want to pick up for the week/month whatever and then just filter all their nonsense away?
Sounds like your management retards are very busy looking busy and getting in your way. Sorry to hear bro

>>718763669
Sucks you're the token guy who gets all the work done.
Thank you for doing the needful.

>>718763669
just ban them from being allowed to work in tech jobs

>>718765463
My grandma has a smartphone and she can use whatsapp and email perfectly, but doesn't get a lot of other shit on it. I visit them once or twice a week and she always has to ask me how to do stuff or things that need fixing. She always feels bad "I finish work, then come here and have to do more work" and I've had limited success trying to explain the difference between software engineering and clicking a few buttons to fix settings she's accidentally changed.
It's fun showing boomers and silent gens simple shit like voice assistants or satellite maps.
My grandpa also tells me about when jeets call their house and he either calls them something racist or just hangs up on them.
He's South African and has an opinion on anyone not white.

>>718765874
I think jira can actually be fine. At my work, one of our guys is in another country, so our stand ups are over slack huddle. I tune the fuck right out and either keep working or do my daily quizzes, give my update and then tune out again.
I just head to our releases, find the most current one, pick a ticket and work on it and rinse and repeat.
If it were up to me, I'd probably cancel stand up.

>>718766308
Literally a pointless job that could be done by 1 guy taking 10 - 15 minutes out of their day to do. It always turns into "team harasser" where they just come around and ask "how's this ticket doing?" "how much longer to get everythign ready for release?"
Shorter without you breathing down my neck, now fuck off back to your coffee and newspaper.

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>>718767856

Anons outing themselves as people who have never worked in an actual interdisciplinary environment.

>>718766598
Yes, Atlassian's products are huge and bloated and have so many foundational 'can't fix this bug or we collapse an entire part of the app' issues it's more like slapping patches on patches at this point.

>>718760608
>>718764095

These anons are correct.

I'm a project manager and scrum master in AAA dev and have worked on AA/A/indie projects. Someone in that role becomes necessary when your team gets above a dozen or so people because humans are inherently disorganized and will content themselves with working in their preferred silos (art/programming/audio) and not step out unless they have to. They need to be tard wrangled.

A good PM will keep everyone and the project on track without wasting everyone's time in pointless bureaucratic bullshit like needless meetings, email rituals, and all that. A good PM is the invisible hand.

Conversely, a shitty PM is the micromanging idiot that needs emails and double confirmations and endless meetings to feel self important. I can never blame anyone who has to suffer one of those types and then turns around to say 'project managers are shit.'

I'm an overpaid middle manager that runs a couple of security architecture / engineering teams. We use azure devops for light pm stuff. It's fairly straight forward. We just document everyone's initiatives and which overall thing they serve and once a week everyone gets together to discuss updates and shoot the shit. The trick to management / pm is to provide enough scaffolding to clarify work / priority and then not be a huge fucking faggot.

every company that pretends to use agile just picks and chooses which parts they like and ultimately it doesnt work

>>718770392
dude youre a project manager your job is fake shut the fuck up nigger you provide zero value to anyone you talentless faggot

WHERE IS JAH

>>718770392
>I'm a project manager and scrum master
Stopped reading right there. You're a worthless leech.

>>718773513
I love your naivety, anon. I sincerely hope you end up working on a project with 20+ people and weak management.

>>718760025
>this is how you know they actually work
This is how you know they churched up a bunch of bs because you make them waste time with micromanagement.