Thread 718797996

>Journos are starting to seethe over the lack of review copies for Silksong
geeeeeeeeeg I love Team Cherry now

>>718797996 (OP)
Free ride is over, the devs tasted that sweet sweet 3 way 15 million copies sold split

Um, how will I spam shill threads if there are no pre-review scores?

>>718797996 (OP)
Since when did people give a shit about reviewers getting early review copies?

>>718798361
It started with Bethesda not doing it.

>Will you still buy Silksong if it has no reviews before launch?
What kind of idiotic question is that? The primary audience of Silksong is people who played Hollow Knight. They going to buy Silksong no matter what.

they fucking love having access to these indie bangers before the consumers can, discussing all about secrets and solving puzzles in a shared journo discord

>>718797996 (OP)
If this was an AAA game, people would say that they're trying to hide something

Hello ananoymous. I am game journalist. And I must tell you how IMPORTANT it is for me to spoil the final boss the second the game releases at 14 UTC

>>718798361
I've never seen an actual human being get upset about those poor hard working game journalists not getting free copies of the game while they still have to pay $20-$80 for it. at the absolute most they might be apprehensive about the game's quality since "not screened for critics" is usually a red flag, but with game journos being what they are these days more and more people are willing to assume it's not a case of that and more a case of "well fuck those guys."

>>718798740
>Day before launch
>All Hollow Knight: Silksong Boss Fights (with the final boss on the thumbnail)

>>718797996 (OP)
>gaymes journalists
well fuck those guys. I was duped. I thought it was 2026 from the thread yesterday lol. two weeks is nuts when I thought it would literally never come out in a million years. watch the world end before then

>lack of first day review
Gaming is healing, even if by a little.

I'm looking forward to the 24/7 comfy discovery threads almost as much as I am the game itself. Hopefully we get a good couple weeks at least.

NOOOO LET ME REVIEW I GOTTA REVIEWWWW. I NEED DAY 1 VIEWS TO MAKE MONEY AHHHHHHHHHHH

>>718798906
or if its a puzzle game
>how to solve the secret puzzle/ARG

based

>>718798361
to me its just a sign of the game not being as good as the audience expects

>>718798963
Gaming will heal by a little when retards like you will perish in hell

>>718798504
And it makes sense. If you dont get review copies from companies like EA, Betheseda, Ubisoft, etc, The game definitely has problems and is probably shit.
Everyone knows Silksong is going to be just like Hollow Knight so only journalists are seething that they can shill their useless review and make money.

>>718798361
Devs a few years ago started to take notice that "professional reviews" didn't actually help a game and still a majority of people choose to use word of mouth

Game journalists defend UE5, that's evident enough they aren't worth listening to.

what is more likely, they are hiding the game is shit or they are hiding some big ass map/new game mechanic

>>718799193
thats true if its aaa sloppa
team cherry is different. they literally dont give a shit and have no reason to give a shit. its called standards and dignity

theres no fucking reason to fellate retarded ""journalists"" and ""critics"" which are a literal waste of air

>>718799193
Yeah it’s not like you’re getting the game sooner if reviewers don’t get early copies, yet I see a lot dickriders for TC defend this as a good thing for some reason.

>>718799290
Why are there game journos on /v/? Go away. Shoo.

>>718799313
Game journos also said concord was the next big thing and that the newest dragon age was "back to series form". They have zero credibility

>>718797996 (OP)
I mean, not having early access incentivizes shitting out the most surface level article possible to be the first review.

>>718798769
redditors are seething about it, and incidentally providing justification for Team Cherry going radio silent for years, in one fell swoop
>an actual human being
ah, nevermind.

>>718799414
They just don't want the whole game spoiled and leaked before it even comes out.

>>718799292
>>718799436
There’s no reason fellate Team Cherry here.

"Game journalist" is not a real job.

Isn't it just because they didn't want journos playing before their backers? Seems based to me.

>>718799492
Why would that not happen in the case that all major journo companies get a copy of the game at the same time before release?

>>718797996 (OP)
Why would I care about the opinions of people who are bad at games?

sharty lost btw

>>718799414
unironically? game reviews are worthless, if they want to get eyes on their new title they'd be giving free keys out to streamers.

>>718799605
You’re not going to play the game earlier if reviewers don’t get early copies. Caring about journalists getting early copies makes no sense here. TC is doing to the equivalent of dangling keys in front of you and you’re lapping the shit up.

>people get early keys
>Go on youtube
>FINAL BOSS NO HIT HIDDEN ENDING
Sounds reasonble to me

>>718799593
ditto for game journos. their entire raison d'etre is to provide spin and control a narrative. why justify giving them a head start on that, especially for a game most people already know if they're interested in it or not?

>>718799865
You literally don’t know if the game is good or not. It hasn’t been released yet. For all we know it could be shit.

>>718799593
Actually there is. Based team cherry and fuck gaming journalists.

>Gifting free game early to journos who have been habitually writing how you are slow vaporware devs for years
oh yeah sure

Are there people who buy games based on ""professional"" reviews?

>>718799958
Who cares? The people who are buying it already know what to expect. You are seething right now. Take a step away from the keyboard.

>>718799852
I like that everyone will be starting on the same page launch day rather than the game already being dissected and solved.

>>718799919
>Lemme just give a blow job to these game journos for every move they make

>>718800042
You mean the hype blinded fanboys? Sure, but that doesn't mean everyone already wants to buy Silksong. There are people that are unsure.

>>718800038
a certain type of person

>>718799958
Team Cherry has never made a bad game. They get the benefit of the doubt.

>>718800069
You can just avoid spoilers by yourself unless you're a retard.

>>718800113
>Fanboys
Wrong. Customers who have have already played HK or are interested in Silksong.

Once again. I reiterate. You are seething. You are most likely either a retard or an "Game Journalist" (or both) take a step away from the keyboard.

>>718800189
They literally only made ONE other game.

>>718797996 (OP)
>geeeeeeeeeg
so what new zoomer brainrot lingo is this one supposed to be?

>>718799862
>>people get early keys
>>Go on youtube
>MAIN CHARACTER DEATH SCENE

>>718800191
You can just write your review after the game releases.

>>718800094
>Lemme just deep throat the game journalist when they say my favorite game is a modern classic masterpiece

people would buy silksong even if it got 5/10 across the board
1 million CCU on release
screenshot this post

>>718800247
I'm not either you retard, I played and liked HK, but I'm skeptical over Silksong. I have not much good reason to be hyped over this game after the long wait and many delays.

>>718800309
>noooo but I need muh early click traffic
journalists are leeches

>>718800325
>Starts talking about something completely unrelated
Did you post in the wrong thread or something? Are you demented?

>>718799958
1. We have a pretty good idea of what a game that started off life as an expansion pack for Hollow Knight is going to be like. Odds are you already know if that appeals to you or not.
2. "I need to wait for people who review games for a living to tell me if this game is good or not" is sheep mentality. Someone with that mindset is in no position to accuse others of "fellating".
3. If you're that concerned about throwing your money away, just wait a week for the reviews to come out. No one is telling you to buy Silksong on Day 1.

gayming journos make themselves too obvious itt

Pre-release reviews are useless anyway.
> Game is good trust me sibling, as good as Dustborn and Bing Bing Wahoo.

>>718799958
>You literally don’t know if the game is good or not
Just play the first one.
It's already out!

>>718800346
Sure you are that's why your arguments are out of the playbook of a journalist.

>>718799958
And you seriously trust the opinion of fuckin journos??? You might actually have brain damage if you do

>>718797996 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHA
A game that is fucking HYPE and journos get ZERO crumbs out of it. How fucking based is THAT?

>>718800386
It being a sequel or expansion, doesn't mean it's going to be good. Do you think every sequel that is made is automatically going to be good?

I'm not saying you have to rely on reviews, I'm saying it makes no sense to care about reviewers getting early copies when that's not going to change anything with how soon you get the game.

>>718800346
It's on GOG so you can pirate it Day 1. You don't need Kotaku to tell you if it's good

>>718799958
why would you even consider buying it day1 if you were unsure? let others buy it and see what they say.
pre-launch reviews are pointless, especially with how untrustworthy vidya journos are

>>718800504
>Citing the fact that TC went through many troubles in development is somehow me doing arguments similiar to a journalist
Get TC's dick out of your mouth.

>>718800625
Projection.

>>718798361
Uhm Sweaty, those brave professional games journalists normally not only get their review copies, but also a swag bag, all their Sushsi comped and several blow jobs. All to make sur ethey can really really focus on making a review that does the game justice.
Not even giving them the game for free is a gross breach of games journalism Ethics.

Listen chud, do you have any idea how this will impact gaming journalists. THEY COULD LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOODS, HOW CAN TEAM CHERRY DO THIS? NOT LETTING THEM REVIEW THE MOST ANITCIPATED GAME OF THE YEAR BEFORE IT COMES OUT. THEY NEED THE CLICKS.
I think we should all boycott silksong unless team cherry decides to give out free copies to every journalist and issue an apology to us.

>>718800665
You're literally the one who projected that I was a game journalist, you retard.

>>718800548
HK2 won't be on GOG

>>718800385
Dementia is the only thing you will get when hollow knight is around

>>718800761
No, I called you either a retard OR a game journalist. But considering you seem to have taken it personally. You are actually a game journalist. KWAB

why even hand em out desu? Game's gonna sell anyway.
Why risk journos sabotaging your game by saying it needs an easy faggot mode?

>>718800762
https://www.gog.com/en/game/hollow_knight_silksong

>>718800762
Oh so they just have a big GOG logo on their official site for no reason

>>718800762
Anon-kun...

>>718800543
please name me a sequel under these following conditions
>made by three-five independent autists that dont give a shit
>a sequel to a game that is bigger and better than 99% of the competing genre
>infinite budget
>no deadline
>no worries
>they just shut up and make the game instead of constantly promising shit
that has ever went poorly

>>718798514
I played Hollow Knight, but it's not a forgone conclusion that Silksong will be good. Especially since the devs have trooned out.

>>718800762
https://www.gog.com/en/news/hollow_knight_silksong_will_be_available_on_september_4th

Sorry I will be getting my free copy :)

>>718800860
You're just making no arguments here besides projecting. "Calling me or a journalist, is still projecting that I'm a journalist". You retard.

>>718800543
>I'm saying it makes no sense to care about reviewers getting early copies
I care about it because they are retarded worthless faggots that deserve no respect and need to stop getting fellated
based TC for not giving muh ecelebs and muh critics any special treatment

>>718797996 (OP)
Who the fuck still cares about reviews from IGN type of websites? They're bad at playing games. They don't even finish the games they review. Most of them don't even like games in the first place and just fell back onto gaming "journalism" because they failed real, actual journalism. Hell it's been proven several times that nearly all of them collude together in secret so that they can all push a single, coordinated narrative for their reviews and features so you're only getting one fucking opinion piece that's been approved by committee.
If you actually care about those websites you're either a child who hasn't realized their bullshit yet or a complete fucking retard.

>>718800543
>I'm saying it makes no sense to care about reviewers getting early copies when that's not going to change anything with how soon you get the game
The only people it's apparently going to affect the timing of buying it for are people who insist that they can't buy it without the Professional Reviewer's Stamp of Approval. Those people can afford to wait, and the reviewers can afford to have their opinions compete with the average players' opinions in real time. See above comment about spin and narrative.

>>718800979
My argument is simple. You don't need Karen bitch mc gee to tell you if a game is good just because she didn't get an early copy

>>718800929
None of those factors automatically mean the game will be good, also what you mean by constantly promising shit? They were scope creeping the shit when they were developing the game.

audio?

>>718801073
No where did I say you need to rely on a reviews to get information on the game, I'm only saying caring about this shit is stupid shit, TC is not doing any favours to the players themselves here.

>>718801103
Scope creep so only bad when your on a budget or have a deadline.
They have neither and are able to develop the game extremely cheaply.

>>718801225
Scopecreep means the game's scope is constantly changing and it's possible for the game being "bigger" to mean more bloated.

>>718801114
>sound, especially when recorded, transmitted, or reproduced.
Hope that helps

>>718801103
if you use your brain, you realise they do
>They were scope creeping the shit when they were developing the game.
"game big = scope creep" is a retarded definition. it doesnt mean its negatively big

This complaint literally makes no sense. Companies with millions of budget and hundreds of developers will usually take three to seven years to make a game with 1/3 as much content as hollow knight. They took 4 years to make hollow knight that was way more ambitious than 99.9% the genre (gameplay wise) and it went perfectly well even though they had to stop early because they ran out of money. They no longer had to worry about rushing for money in the sequel, they are not in a hurry, they can be as perfectionist as they want, and they decided to take 7~ years instead. Its perfectly equivalent

>>718801206
>TC is not doing any favours to the players themselves here.
That's wrong. Because we've seen what happens to games that get early copies sent

>Youtube
>Streaming leaks
>Already uploaded to pirate sites
>Game is now compromised
TC is just covering their bases, making everyone start from nothing is the most based thing you can do as a dev.

>>718798504
Rockstar did it way before Bethesda, journos knew that everyone who tangentially knows anything about video games would've laughed them out of town, that's why they don't mention it.

>>718801048
>the reviewers can afford to have their opinions compete with the average players' opinions in real time
And if they can't, then fuck them. Nothing about gaming journalism has inspired confidence over the years, and it's perfectly legitimate to question their privileged position of getting to release their evaluation of a game simultaneously with the game's release. Especially if the developers have nothing to gain from giving them that chance.

>>718801206
No anon, you don't understand. We have to emphasize how based and influential this indie team is in everything they do regardless of if it's good, bad or straight up useless

Do people actually use "professional" reviews to decide whether to buy a game?

>>718799593
Fuck j*urnalists

>>718797996 (OP)
What about e-celebs? If they get the game early none of this matters.

>>718801516
Nobody is getting it early, not E-celebs, not reviewers, not the backers

>>718799958
It's literally Hollow Knight 2.0. I already like HK. I will obviously like HK 2.0. Reminder this started as an expansion for 1 that simply grew too big.
Literally everyone knows what the game will be like.

>>718798361
Since they all started uploading the entire game to youtube before release.

>>718800705
>>718800676
Brad shoemaker when he still was on giantbomb gave a game 5/5. I forget which one it was, but he loved it and praised it to high heavens and he said in a podcast that one of the other guys had the review copy and he wanted to play it again and annoyed one of his co-workers about it: "c'mon man, give it back"
That's when I knew that his review are worthless. He doesn't even buy it even if he thinks it's 5/5. That's how much of a retard he is.
I think Davis was even alive back then.

>>718801365
Okay at the start of the project it was going to be a dlc campaign and then they changed it to be a whole ass sequel. That by definition is scope creep, because now it's no longer dlc campaign or a playable Hornet or whatever the fuck was promised in the kickstarter.

In an article interviewing them they literally admit an example of scope creep.

“I remember at some point I just had to stop sketching,” Gibson said. “Because I went, ‘Everything I’m drawing here has to end up in the game. That’s a cool idea, that’s in. That’s a cool idea, that’s in.’ You realize, ‘If I don’t stop drawing, this is going to take 15 years to finish.’”

They also made a trailer of the game and left the entire community in dead silence after many delays

>>718801576
I'll believe it when it comes out. I have no horse in this race either I've never played the 1st game.

>>718798504
>It started with Bethesda not doing it.
That's because Kotaku decided to be complete niggers and use their early review copy of Fallout 4 to spoil the entire main questline. And because all of those gaming websites are in on it together it wound up being echoed throughout their network. FO4 might have a really shitty main quest, but no game deserves to have its plot spoiled by a bunch of limp-wristed columnists who got a copy for free. Not even the first time or last time Kotaku did that type of thing either, and they're not the only website that's spoiled a game to begin with.

>>718801516
E-celeb are the only ones allowed to make professional reviews

If this were any other dev, you homosexuals would be saying they're just avoiding release day reviews because they know the game is shit, you've all done it before.

>>718800705
It's a strange thing
>you wouldn't defend it
I would the only time I wouldn't is if there is a preorder discount. If the price is the same at launch then yeah I defend it. Fuck review fags. Normal people can wait a fucking day to see if the game is good.
You want to review the game fucking buy it.

>>718801772
EXACTLY, DONT THEY UNDERSTAND THE GAMING JOURNALISTS ESSENTIAL TO OUR HOBBY. HOW WILL I KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TO BUY THE GAME DAY 1. I NEED IT DAY 1. I WANT IT DAY 1

DAY 1

>>718801772
>you've all done it before.
And the same argument applies just wait. Why can't you wait?

>>718801649
>left the entire community in dead silence
>Ignoring the blog posts
>the interviews
>the demos
>the args teasing new npcs
>the pr guy keeping everyone in the know
Team Cherry's silence is one of the biggest gaslights in history. We had plenty of communication, but it went the same every time
>A short amount fo time passes
>"Team Cherry's been too quiet! Just tell us you're even working on the game, we want a sign of life!"
>Get confirmation through some news source, the pr guy, or even chance meetings with the devs themselves out in public, all confirming they are working on the game
>Relief
>A short amount of time passes
>"Team Cherry has been too quiet!"

>>718801772
Nope. Never.

>>718801915
Okay now post the timeline of those things.

>>718801915
You've been on xitter too long they thrive of this shit. Nobody else gives a fuck except blue tick faggots trying to grift cents from your ad views.

>>718801772
Yes, because a bigger studio making a game with a strict deadline would have a lot of reasons to hide the cracks in their game, which is the result of bad working environments. Team Cherry has been developing Silksong completely freely until they were satisfied with the game.

People have spent so goddamn long waiting for this game it would be a real dick move to let some people have it early.

>>718799290
Gaming journalism is not a real job, kill yourself.

>>718801772
It's almost like context matters

>>718800705
i mean yeah but I like Team Cherry

>>718797996 (OP)
It's not coming out.

>>718801983
What answer would satisfy you?
>There were 6 month gaps of silence sometimes
>The longest gap of silence was a year, which was just last year anyway
Oh but because there was a period of silence, suddenly it's a bad thing. They weren't giving weekly reports of saying they were working on the game so they were practically neglecting the fans? Get real, you're just trying to stir shit.

>>718802135
what context? either you have faith in your game, or you don't.

>>718802198
Two more weeks, trust the plan

>>718802091
Do you understand that the only thing that allowed them to procrastinate so long is because their first game became an extremely popular meme?
No studios can work on a game freely without deadlines because every developer needs a financial support. This is a lightning in a bottle scenario.

>>718802228
I mean what exactly were they saying in those updates?

>>718801772
TRVTH NVKE

Silksong will be my first 100% no questions asked Day 1 buy ever.
It hits all the boxes to be so.
-Not $50 or greater
-No need to worry whether steam deck verified
-No need to even wait for reviews to worry whether it will be good (even for Elden Ring I didnt buy it till an entire year later, despite fromsoft producing my number 1 game ever, because every subsequent game theyve released thats not bloodborne, proves ds1 was a fluke.)
-Its one of those sequels that can only really be better than the first game because not only was the first game unfinished. But it was also incredibly one dimensional (As my tastes ive developed ive grown tired of the "ACTION ACTION COMBAT COMBAT EVERYTHING" game. I value much more now, strong adventure aspects, meaning: Puzzles/Problem Solving, Traversal/Platforming, Navigation/Exploration (although retards think exploration = open world garbage) these are what I consider the cores of adventure. INTERACTIVE OBJECTIVE adventure not "feels like adventure" where retarded games with zero interactivity beyond a menu (ff7, ff9) can feel like adventure to retards) and the sequel seems to be expanding movement options and focusing more on level specific platforming "gimmicks" to vary and engage more traversal mechanics. And while HK technically meets one of those criteria with Navigation, I realized a fatal flaw with its world design when cleaning up some side stuff on a revisit of the game. So I think it needs a tiny bit more than that.

What reason do i have to not Day 1 buy?

>>718801772
Eat shit and die.

>>718802349
>Not $50 or greater
I dont know about that one.
I could easily see it being 50-60 dollars

>>718799919
>trusting g-journolits
>ever

>>718802302
>Do you understand that the only thing that allowed them to procrastinate so long is because their first game became an extremely popular meme?
What the fuck are you even talking about? They never "procrastinated", let alone because their first game was a "meme". They had all the time in the world to make Silksong because they simply never set a deadline for themselves, and kept developing until they had the game they always wanted.

>>718802364
you know I'm right.
the only reason you're not shitting on team cherry is because you like team cherry and their game. it's okay to admit it. context matters after all.

>>718802549
Eat shit and die.

>>718802303
>The blogposts were showing off npcs, areas, and mechanics.
>The interviews were talking about their development process, not much about the game being likely the fault of the interviewers being shit at their jobs
>The PR guy very much was the goto guy for getting confirmation that they were working on the game. And when asked why they weren't doing blogposts anymore, he said it was to avoid spoiling the game too much. People always forget this.
>And despite saying this, they still went ahead with some ARG puzzles that revealed gifs of Hornet interacting with NPCs not viewable in the trailers
>Not to mention the playable demo revealing two whole areas with their own boss fights and NPCs

>>718802481
TC probably knows they'd get backlash if Silksong costs more than double the price of HK. I don't think it'll cost more than $30

>>718802481

>most likely
40
>possible
>30
>less likely
50 or more. 25 or less

These are my estimates

>>718802581
thou knowest I am correcteth

>>718802481
I'll take a guess and say they wouldn't charge more than $30

>>718802651
Eat shit and die.

>>718799593
Yes there is, they made a good game. What have journalists made?

>>718802242
1. Indie studio with infinite money who very clearly care about putting out a quality game. They aren't beholden to anyone. If they were worried the game was shit, they wouldn't be releasing it.

2. Their provided explanation is entirely believable and in line with their ethos.
>Our fans and especially our backers have been waiting to play our game for so long we don't want anyone playing it before them.

>>718802302
No, youre retarded. The reason why they were able to do this is because they had 3 people on an actually yearly payroll and they literally would live off of scraps just to get Hollow Knight released, a game that raised 50k on kickstarter.

HK sold like 3 mill from 2017 to 2019, which is amazing for an indie dev, but would kill other devs. Its all relative because its not about sheer number of sales. Hollow Knight even if it only sold like 500k would have been enough money for them to make a second game, bigger than HK. Because of how cheaply one of the devs lives, and how little it cost to make HK because they didnt have a team of hundreds of retards to pay, and werent wasting their time on stupid shit like translating for hundreds of languages that requires hiring a dozen people.

Ive seen so many retarded indie devs that legit think they need this shit to succeed (in the modern day they might actually because of how many retarded steam reviews ive seen for indie games not having perfect accessibility options).

But when Hollow Knight released it didnt even have map markers at first, that needed to be added later because they had no money. Among other shit like ports which had to come later too.

In a sense, yes they were very fortunate, but they also released the game within their means for the most part, and thats important, if not for retarded gamers who expect everything on a silver platter, then it was important for them not giving up on videogames.

>>718802615
>TC probably knows they'd get backlash
nta but I promise you they could price the game at $70 and their dicksuckers would defend it.

>>718802651
Go back.

>>718802735
I wouldnt care if they price it at 100 dollars. I dont pay for games anyway. Let the paypigs give Team Cherry more money so they can make another game.

>>718802707
>>718802747
correct, you know I am.

>>718802607
Okay well I guess I'll look into some of that stuff, because I read the bloomberg article and they raised arguments for the general silence like avoiding spoilers, when you don't have to spoil anything to reassure your community that development is still fine and working.

Regardless it doesn't change they revealed a trailer with the said demo you're talking about many years ago, but then delayed and delayed the game after that, nor that it doesn't change that scopecreep was still rife within the game's development.

>>718797996 (OP)
how does this effect me personally?

>>718801114
>audio?
It literally means "I hear". It's latin. It's first form singular. It is derived from the verb "audire".

>>718802809
Eat shit and die.

>>718798361
journiggers are real upset about getting their payola cut

>>718802549
>the only reason you're not shitting on oranges is because you like oranges

so why did a 2D game in the easiest genre to make take 7 years again?

>>718798361
Let me just tell you, there are a LOT. And I mean a LOT of subhumans.

>>718801771
It's time to do almost always the opposite of what video game journalists tell you

/v/ hates game journos, but listens to kikemonGOLD for game advice. Kekw !

>>718802964
Yeah, it's fine to say it's okay for TC to do it because you like them.

>>718801772
Yes, but this is literally different.
Silksong will be a 10/10 and journos can eat my ass.

>718802972
Because it’s made by three people and is obviously much larger with more intricate mechanics based on the trailers alone.
No (You) for you btw, I know you’re baiting.

>>718797996 (OP)
I can see why "journalists" are peeved about it, but with their reputation, I don't really care about their opinions. It's better to watch youtubers with similar gaming tastes and standards to your own anyways. There's so many out there, you're bound to find one. At that point, why depend on "journalists" who always put a cultural slant on everything?

>>718798674
A good point.

>>718802543
And do you think every developer is allowed to do that?
Do you really think the industry of videogames or literally anything else is based on working indefinitely on something for free?
Even the original hollow knight was released on a deadline and was a piece of shit half backed crap because they didn't had the financial freedom to keep working on it.

>>718802724
Yeah so we just give infinite money to 3 fags who will make a fucking flash game in a decade and never expand their business or horizons.

You fags are living in a dystopian reality just like the trannies who actually believes their gender is a life choice.

>>718801114
[Spanish accent] Sigh, bapahnadah

>>718802870
kek

>>718803165
Oh you’re back. Can you skip this part and go back to screeching about newfags

>>718802972
Small indie dev and uncontrolled scope creep

>>718797996 (OP)
that's based af ngl

>>718802870
Best reply so far

>>718803120
don't worry, I got you.
>>718802972

>>718802972
long vacations

how hard do you work with millions in the bank?

>>718797996 (OP)
based as fuck

>>718798906
I had this happen with Octopath but I just wanted to listen to the OST and some asshole was putting the super mega secret boss into the thumbnail.

>>718803165
>And do you think every developer is allowed to do that?
I'm literally fucking telling you that the reason why Team Cherry is not giving out review copies can't possibly be because they're hiding that the game is shit. You're talking about something completely fucking different

This is actually pretty bad. Like it are not gaming journalists work fairly hard to try and inform customers about the pros and cons of a game. Taking away the view traffic that you get from reviewing a big game like this is actively harmful after we try so hard to make sure consumers have the most information that they can.

>>718803120
>they're le heckin wholesome small indie dev and their game is deeper than any other game around right now
less likely
>>718803247
more likely
>>718803351
also likely

I mean, if the interviews are to be believed they really enjoy their work.

>>718803394
kys jason

>>718803394
Why not just wait a day if you care that much

>>718803165
>and never expand their business or horizons.
You might not know this because youre actually AI, but the world does not exist for businesses to produce endless growth for themselves, masquerading "progress" as just giving us more shit we dont really need or value.

But instead classically people produced and provided things they personally wanted and/or valued

>>718802870
Tell that every screeching faggot itt, who seem to be very personally affected by this.
>effect
retard

>>718803418
>the game took so long because we had fun xD
Impale these niggers on a pike, ass first

>>718803406
…but they are a small indie team. That’s a fact lol

>>718802870
E-Mail them that

>>718798906
>>718799167
>>718803386
You guys look up videos on how to find secrets and beat bosses before you play the game? Cringe. I play the game and when I'm done then I'll look at shit on kiketube for it.

>>718803418
making a video game in an indie studio with no financial pressure is probably pretty fun

>>718803387
I'm not saying they did it because the game will be shit either. I'm just saying that this whole fuss about it is just irrelevant and we're just talking about it because it's the hk devs.

>uhhhh we're not giving out review copies because it would be unfair to backers... yeah.
lol
Let me tell you the real reason
>we're not giving out review copies because hollow knight is already a hotly anticipated title, we don't have to buy exposure

>>718803418
>>718803351

>>718798361
because team cherry knows no journalist knows how to play a game, it's gonna be a cuphead tutorial again

>>718802870
It doesn't. You weren't even prompted to talk about how it affects you personally, so I'm not sure where this retarded post is coming from.

>>718803394
>Taking away the view traffic that you get from reviewing a big game like this is actively harmfu
And that's why it's based.

Gaming journalists don't have to be your audience, gamers.

>Devs mad that a couple of people made a game selling more than their billion dollar company
>Journalists mad that the devs are self sufficient and dont have to pay for good reviews like most companies
Fucking Based

>>718803616
He’s asking a question calm down. Are you OP?

>>718797996 (OP)
This makes me more likely to buy it because gaming "journalists" are a fucking cancer that needs to die.

>>718803585
>we're just talking about it because it's the hk devs
nta but we'd still be talking about it if it were another dev, the only difference is the post would be mocking them and calling the game shit.

>>718803661
I'm answering the question. Are you faggot?

I like Team Cherry AND I hate games journalists so this is just pure epic win xd

>>718803726
> You weren't even prompted to talk about how it affects you personally, so I'm not sure where this retarded post is coming from
It’s not normal to seethe this hard at a valid question, but I guess if you were well adjusted you would be ITT railing against team cherry for not delivering their game to you faster

>>718803780
Based and unironically true.

>>718797996 (OP)
Well, they'd shit on the game regardless of that. The combat is complex, there's no handholding leading you to wherever you must go, there aren't any explicitly black-coded characters and there's only one troon in the development team, and his troon name isn't Sophie nor Lilith.

>>718803780
This but unironically

>>718803418
The people not believing this baffle me. As an artist I come across other fellow artists that just hate the process of drawing or think its tedious. Do people think hobbies are unable to be fun or something?

>>718803824
Has he even changed his name?

>>718803568
They show up as recommendations, anon. Like if you watched a trailer months before or something.

>>718803445
>But instead classically people produced and provided things they personally wanted and/or valued
Some people like me valued progress. Faggots like you value regression. It depends on points of view.

>>718803418
I roll my eyes whenever I see people say they were in "developer hell" when they literally admit to scope creep and how they released a trailer many years ago and kept delaying the game.

>>718803842
Where do you think you are? Everyone is a cynic and no one is sincere ever

>>718803806
>Look at me and how I'm not seething. Why are you seething so much?
I'm starting to think you're just a little slow in the head, but that's all right. You can read >>718803616 and >>718803661 as many times as you need until it finally hits you.

>>718803915
>developer hell
Meant to say "developer heaven"

>>718803965
>>718803234

>>718804009
>you can skip this part
Skip what part? Are you retarded?
see >>718803965

>>718803982
They get to add all the new cool features they think of without worrying about any timelimit
Sounds like Developer Heaven to me.

>>718803842
You have to understand the modern person literally does understand why an artist would take joy in their work. It's always has to be about money or a grift rather than just enjoying the craft for its own sake

>>718803835
I was being sincere but I was scared if I posted "epic win" without a hint of irony people would tell me to go back.

>>718803896
>people making things they want not for a corporations profits is regression
lmao

>>718804093
Scopecreep is still project mismanagment. Why release a trailer when you're just going to keep delaying a game?

>>718804060
You talk and green text exactly like this guy who was shitting his pants in a silksong thread earlier today

>>718804095
*not

>>718797996 (OP)
more game devs should do that

>>718804142
it's only mismanagement if the increased scope doesn't pay off the additional investment

>>718804142
They didn’t think they were going to delay it at the time. Pretty simple.

>>718803824
>there's only one troon in the development team
wait, what? since when?

also, gaymen jurnos wouldn't dare shit on ss for any of the reasons you said. they pretended they liked the souls games because they knew the reputation demon's souls had. Same shit here. hollow knight is already an indie darling.

>>718804151
You have a really shitty sense of stylometry, anon. Are you autistic? Why would you give that away?
Also see >>718803965

>>718797996 (OP)
>wait a few hours after release
>skim through one of the hundred freshly uploaded videos/streams to see if the game appeals to you before buying
thank goodness we have game journalists to spare us of this awful fate
i can't believe team cherry expects us not to outsource our opinions, those selfish fucking bastards

>>718803520
I just did. They hated it.

Do people even care about reviews to read them? I'm sure if it's a negative review then that gets posted everywhere but I think most people check out their favorite streamer to see if they like the game or not nowadays.

>>718804320
Quoting your post at me 10 more times will make silksong flop

>>718804184
That's only if you're looking at it from a business perspective. I'm talking about scope creep in a general sense for project management.

>>718804217
Proceeding to expand the scope of the project despite making a trailer like that, is still scope creep.

>>718804353
I care about steam reviews, and only the ones that are concise, not those retards larping as game journo essayists.

>>718804138
You're just a retard. Someone who took the concept of anti consumer and misinterpreted it. Made it a general problem. Do you choose to be against something that you don't even understand. You just have a very distorted and childish view of reality that only bring stagnation.

>>718799290
Gaming will heal when journo kikes die out.

>>718804359
(You)ing any of my posts at any time will kill your mom in her sleep tonight. This was already into effect since the beginning of the thread.

>>718804217
and then they had to delay it because the scope grew. hence, scopecreep

>>718804407
by your definition making good calls is bad

>>718804435
Keep on listening and repeating whatever
your favorite faggot celeb said like a retard

>>718804184
Technically in a literal sense it's only mismanagement if people stop doing their work properly before deadline, and you've ultimately wasted more money than you can ever expect to make bacn completely, so you have to start deliberately cutting losses.

Hard to have that situation when you have 3 people to pay more than once and are already sitting on more money than you could ever spend on a 2D game.

>>718804502
Making a trailer and then proceeding to delay the game because the scope kept increasing, is bad, yes.

>>718804435
gaming journos are already dead, homie. The new target is influencers.

I miss Totalbuiscuit. At least you could get a reasonable first impression out of his videos, and his commentary was honest and on point; and he had credibility he fought for even if he liked the smell of his own farts sometimes. RIP TB. May he play good games with FOV sliders in heaven.

>>718804475
Sorry bud, I've been blessed by immunity dog. Your matricidal curses are for naught.

game journalism is a relict of the past and shouldn't exist anymore
it was merely a vehicle to preview games in an era where the internet didn't exist and all you had was game magazines to see what new games came out
nowdays there's fucking YT and social media where you can upload countless of hours of select game footage to sell your game
fuck even game demos are better than video game journalism

>>718804562
Maybe stop using buzzwords and say why its bad?

>>718804637
how come we still haven't got a replacement? it's been 7 fucking years holy shit

I don't understand how it happens, but there's apparently a huge controversy where devs "send out review keys" for games, which they decide to give out by the hundreds/thousands and they all end up on CD Key websites. Call me naive, but if I were sending out a key for my game review. I'd be sending "one" key to each of the really big journalist corpos AT THE VERY MOST. Even then, like many of you, I don't care about the big publications. I hear about games by word-of-mouth and what I see on storefronts.

>>718804643
Now videogames journalism is in the hands of random faggots making shitty and misleading videos on YouTube

>>718804647
Okay because you turn off and lose any hype generated from the trailer you made if you just keep delaying the game with no release date or deadline in near sight. Like what was the point of it if you're going to delay the game? Just don't announce anything if you're going to delay it. Also delaying a game forever without boundaries is not going to get you anywhere. I posted it before and I'll post it again but they admit experiencing scope creep and realizing the potential problems it presents.

“I remember at some point I just had to stop sketching,” Gibson said. “Because I went, ‘Everything I’m drawing here has to end up in the game. That’s a cool idea, that’s in. That’s a cool idea, that’s in.’ You realize, ‘If I don’t stop drawing, this is going to take 15 years to finish.’”

There's also how making the game bigger doesn't necessarily automatically mean it'll be better.

>>718798361
>be me, game journo retard
>Get given Silksong review copy before the games announced
>Either roach out, leak everything, or be good goy.

alternatively
>be me, gaming cockroach, don't even know what Hollow Knight or Silksong are
>get review copy after announcement
>tfw I have two weeks to play AND write a review
>Its day 7, still haven't even gotten halfway through
>Panic, give bad review from incomplete gameplay, dictated to Chat GPT to write review for me on last day before release

>>718798361
It's the latest culture war bait to keep the masses distracted from the epstein list cover up.

>>718804878
as if game reviews didn't already do that
literally the same shit
just look at the garbage ign reviews

>>718802837
In that very same article they said that the only thing they would say in hypothetical updates would be "yes, we're still working on the game." There's absolutely no reason to be assmad they didn't get on their blog and post just that singular sentence every fucking week. There was no more information to be shared other than "we're alive" and they really shouldn't have to remind you of that over and over again

>>718804836
I unironically get most of my game recommendations from wishlist/upcoming indie games threads on /v/.

>>718804903
>Okay because you turn off and lose any hype generated from the trailer you made
But it didnt. Every year it doesnt come out the hype just increases. It literally became a meme to post about silksong every game show. Good marketing DESU

>>718804639
This is evil Barry (63). He wards off any protective talismans or blessings against matricidal curses.

>>718801772
>, you've all done it before.
Show 5 examples

>>718804998
There where good and bad review sources. The audience used to choose based on the most professional and reliable information outlets.
Now everything is chosen by the popularity and trashiness.

>>718804748
A lot of people took his place when he left a void, it's just that none of them are good, poignant, credable, honest, non-biast or worth while in any way. But you'll see a lot of "influencers" filling the void he left and taking all the views and subs he once had.

>>718805125
Where's your data to back that up? Only thing we have is that the recent trailer had great ratings. Also this could be a case of TC being lucky. Where's the "meme campaign" for other games without release dates?

Also conversely the way TC was doing this raised some level of resentment before they finally released the release date.

>>718804903
They also said they've spent the last couple years just polishing, so evidently the "scope creep" ended a while ago.

>>718805125
I bet most milktoast normal gamers had no idea of silksong until they saw it being spammed every year during things like the game awards and shows. Now everyone knows about it.

Kill TORtaniggers. Behead TORtaniggers. Roundhouse kick a TORtaniggers into the concrete. Slam dunk a TORtaniggers into the trashcan. Crucify filthy TORtaniggers. Defecate in a TORtaniggers food. Launch TORtaniggers into the Purple Sun. Stir fry TORtaniggers in a wok. Toss TORtaniggers into active volcanoes. Urinate on TORtaniggers warp stone. Judo throw TORtaniggers into a wood chipper. Twist TORtaniggers heads off. Report TORtaniggers to the Witch hunters. Karate chop TORtaniggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant TORtaniggers. Trap TORtaniggers in quicksand. Crush TORtaniggers in the trash compactor. Liquefy TORtaniggers in a vat of acid. EAT TORtaniggers. Dissect TORtaniggers. Exterminate TORtaniggers in the gas chamber. Stomp TORtaniggers skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate TORtaniggers in the oven. Lobotomize TORtaniggers. Mandatory abortions for TORtaniggers. Grind TORtaniggers fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown TORtaniggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize TORtaniggers with the Sunmaker rocket battery. Kick old TORtaniggers down the stairs. Feed TORtaniggers to kroxigors. Slice TORtaniggers with a axe.

>>718805372
>doesn't name a single one

>>718801103
but they never promised anything except "it'll be bigger than HK"

>>718805054
"Yes were still working on the game" isn't as specific as saying we're experiencing no issues.

i never buy anything on release

>>718801772
Holy trvke

>>718805404
That just means they had like 6 or so years of scope creep. And they wouldn't have to spend as much time polishing the game if it wasn't for scopecreep.

>>718802735
if it's more than 30 i'll pirate it

>will you buy silksong if-
its silksong, people are going to buy it even if team cherry posted about hating niggers and troons on their twitter for a week

>>718801772
They’re doing it ITT RN

>>718797996 (OP)
>what do you mean you won't give me a game for free that I will drop forever after reaching the minimum playtime stipulated in my contract?!?!

>>718805645
I won't be buying it, but that's the one thing that WOULD get me to buy it

>windows 10+ only
This game is gonna be dead on arrival. Way to backstab all the fans that bought and play it on windows 7.

>>718805645
I'm already buying it, marketer. No need to shill

Yeah I boycotted Doom Eternal when they didn't release it for DOS.

>>718805802
I'm pretty sure it will just work on 7

>>718805559
based
especially when they straight up said they'll be adding content for years
let them beta test this shit for waitchads

>>718805645
They probably wouldn't care if they shat on troons since gender politics are still mostly seen as "controversial". Racism however is firmly looked down upon in modern society, at least in the west. That might be harder to skoot under the rug.

>>718805802
kys boomer retard

>>718805502
And lo and behold they had no issues. If they had them, they would've said something. There was nothing to report, so they didn't. Why is this so hard for you tards to grasp

>>718800258
Two, actually

>>718801772
>if the situation was different, you'd be treating it differently!

>>718805502
i dunno why you are trying so hard with the "they had problem" angle. they made a game it took 7 years, we don't know what happened, so trying to say something secretly went bad just sound like a very weak attempt at concern trolling

>>718806301
this. People have been doing this nonstop since the reveal because they want the game to flop.

>>718806418
>they want the game to flop.
it ain't flopping and everybody knows it
they keep baiting and you keep replying, congrats

>>718802870
Vidya Journo seethe is good for your heart.

>>718806418
it's likely one schizo, probably dragonirian again

>>718805475
>doesn't name a single one
I don't watch youtube gaming anymore, but last time I checked, there was a surge of influencers that for sure lured the TB crowd with playthroughs and quick takes by making themselves seem genuine and honest and based with silky smooth voices, talking in a serious manner, while abusing the algorithm to get popular. No, I can't give an example, and won't go looking for some of them to give as one for a 4chan debate, take it as you will. The influencers are ruling the opinions of their sheep followers while getting the vip treatment from sponsors and game companies; and you'll find one for every niche, including the TB type reviewers/let's players (just with less credibility or good points or worthwhile, unbiast opinions, but they mimic him well enough to get traction).

>>718800705
This made me check what the retards on that site are saying and naturally they're comparing this decision to a rise in global fascism and are calling it grossly anti-consumer

>>718806681
>still no names
tl;dr faggot

>you're either okay with this, in which case you are sucking off team cherry according to mindbroken antis
>or you [pretend to] have a problem with it, in which case you [pretend to] forget that games journalists have lost all integrity and their opinions are worthless
which way, gamer man?

>>718797996 (OP)
Do we even know how much it is? Steam doesn't say.

>>718806817
Yoshi!

>>718797996 (OP)
I wasn't going to buy it anyway but i'll call them based for telling journos to fuck off

>>718806848
The superior third option.

>>718806843
it's literally doesn't matter
people will buy it even for $100

>>718802870
>effect

>>718806701
There's some real gems in that thread.
>Btw since I've seen it be mentioned; just because Silksong will likely be a really good game doesn't mean that it's fair for this to be acceptable. The team preached about not wanting to crunch and taking their time with the game but refused to do the same to the reviewers that will now be forced to crunch even more than they already do to get the review up as soon as possible. It's kinda hypocritical

>>718806843
24.99 in USD, unfortunately Team Cherry became greedy and instead of honestly pricing at a round number like with Hollow Knight they've finally decided to do the psychological 99 cent trick bullshit

>>718799593
anon, prepare to see a never-ending GLAZE of team cherry even if HK was average as fuck

>>718807126
Stop seething journo. Nobody cares about you

>>718802972
One day you'll realize that working hard is for suckers, and you fell for your corporate overlord propaganda to grind til you die.
They worked on it as they felt like it. Probably had a great time doing it. Chilling every other day.

Someone post the webm of the dumb fucker that couldn't even use the mushrooms for jumping

I'm cautiously optimistic. Movement-wise it looks like it has fixed most if not all of my problems with the first game, even if the dash itself looks pretty boring. I'm just hoping the game has tight enough pacing for me to not feel like the extra runtime is a massive slog

I don't even understand what sort of goy cattle NPC would care about media reviews. Form your own opinion.

>>718807126
it's all just a goof anyway. shitposters invented the "rabid Hollow Knight fan" as a bogeyman to justify calling the game overrated in flame threads, and the wave is now coming back the other way. yin and yang, perfectly balanced as all things should be, etc. just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

>>718807468
Second this. I need a good laff

The delusion some of you faggots have about your time being super valuable and you couldn't possibly waste some of it playing an IGN 7.4/10 video game, while posting on 4chan on a friday night, is pretty fucking funny to me.

>>718797996 (OP)
Good on Team Cherry.

I backed that POS Eiyuden Chronicle, and it pissed me off that Journalists and Influencers were able to play the game before backers were, and when we finally were allowed to play the game, it was a shitty press demo masquerading as a beta.

>>718806715
Go on the youtube hellscape yourself and find influencers that send the same vibe as TB did, you'll find some eventually, with good numbers too, I promise you. Where do you think all his viewers went to? The closest thing that smelled the same. Being a "genuine" "based" game reviewer is a gimmick nowdays, played for the memes and nostalgia of a better reviewer and it's not hard to see if you have more than one braincell. If you really want an example to take with a big pinch of salt, look at how Jesse Cox pivoted to gaming news shorts for a while, trying to be an objective industry interpreter with 5 minute videos. But I like Jesse Cox's older and newer content, so I have no bad feelings about this period of his channel's life. Just avoided the "industry hot takes" he did and moved on. He still has a crumb of credibility and artistic vision in him, so not the best example, but one I had on-hand for you retard. Look for the young and hot new "honest" game reviewers and you'll find plenty, I'm sure.
Good, you got me seething. Hope you're happy.

>>718807558
>t. the aforementioned “rabid hollow knight fan” false flagging as something other than the tremendous faggot he is

Hollow Knight was very bland and upgrading the weapon causing enemies to take more hits to kill still pisses me off.
This is going to be game of the year anyway as there has been fuck all this whole year.

>>718797996 (OP)
this should be the standard, insiders have ruined the industry like no other, most of the time the people curating your games are subhuman iq morons who cant play a game to begin with.

>>718808024
>upgrading the weapon causing enemies to take more hits to kill
I don't think this was a thing, really?

>>718808024
GOTY is ran like the Oscars where a jury that hasn't doesn't actually have to play all of the games they have to judge run the show so something like Death Stranding 2 will probably win.

>>718808024
>>718808225
>take more hits to kill
deboonked a long time ago
select bosses got HP scaling from nail upgrades but they would still take less hits to kill

>>718808024
E33 is gonna sweep the awards. Silksong might win best indie.

Hey can journalists do their fucking job and find out what the price is going to be? I'm not paying $80 for a game, I swear on my old principal. It just goes against my principles.

>>718808430
Allegedly 24.99 according to some humble bundle guy, which is weird because the first game was 15$ on the dot so you think it would be 25$

>>718805372
verily much saar

>>718798361
give a copy to 10 youtubers
gets out more

>>718808225
It was most apparent on the boss that was 5 of that same enemy, so each of them took an extra hit.

>>718799593
its both the game is most likely a 7 but also these niggers add nothing to nothing

>shitposters will have no material until the exact point that everyone's already playing the game and won't see their shit

kek

>>718797996 (OP)
Now all they have to do is give out a few copies on release on /v/ and they'd be based for all eternity.

>>718803597
Cmon, these are keys that cost them nothing. It's exposure for free.

>>718797996 (OP)
It won't even have a journo mode for them, so they'll hate it.

>>718798906
I want to strangle these retarded jewtubers.

>>718797996 (OP)
I have 0 interest in Hollow Knight, but I hate journalist, and anything that makes them seethe is funny. Hopefully more companies tell journalist to fuck off.

>>718809094
People die of exposure anon

>>718809094
Eat shit, journo

>>718797996 (OP)
Journos so mad they can't publish "silksong 5 endings explained" before the game comes out

I can’t beat pure vessel

>>718797996 (OP)
Not having review copies out before launch stopped mattering well over a decade ago because of how bought the "reviewers" are. Giving your game to reviewers might as well be the red flag instead these days

>game journalists will be forced to crunch and work 18 hour days to get a Silksong review out ASAP
This is NOT okay. Has Team Cherry no decency?

>>718809489
I don't know what that is but crystal shitting hornets are clowning me

>>718809656
It’s the buffed up version of the pre-final boss who is hollow in the real game but this is his true strength and you gotta beat him after a boss rush

Devs taking that long is sort of concerning, it doesn't really matter how people spin it. But I figured they gave up and the game was vaporware, guess we'll see how hard they actually worked on things. I did like hollow knight, more of the same would be nice but wouldn't exactly be earth shattering.

>>718798361
I need to know if the game says something deep about capitalism and Trump's deportations.

>>718797996 (OP)
I honestly don't get the hype. HK was just alright for me, is it because this game was the baby first metroid for a lot of people?

>>718809760
Wasn't it the opposite? HK wasn't actually hollow because PK showed him five seconds of compassion which made him an imperfect vessel. Pure Vessel is his ideal actually hollow form.

>>718808731
You're not wanting to give the needful?

>>718809965
Pharloom will not survive without refugees from Hallownest

>>718808531
Are you implying I'm Indian or something? What about my comment suggested that? And yeah, I'm esl shame on me knowing more then one language ig.

>>718810246
he can smell you

>>718810246
Can confirm. You smell.

>>718798361
vidya media companies care because that's their bread and butter, holding game success hostage on the basis of providing a good review in time for release day
social media does their job well enough these days

>>718809965
There were apparently gay bugs in the first game and I never noticed, the double edged blade of these games doing the zanzibart soulsbourne style of story telling, I never read the item descriptions so there might as well not be a story.

>>718797996 (OP)
that's based as long as they're not saying "streamers" are a different category and giving it to them

>>718804978
upvoted

>>718810129
You might be right. I kinda have no idea what the godhome even is and I haven’t played the game in years. All I remember about the story is the plague, dreams, and kin

>>718807092
>the psychological 99 cent trick bullshit
those monsters!

>>718810116
it's a solid game that had a shit ton of content for a quarter of a typical game's price, plus multiple free DLCs after that, so it was easy to recommend and won over a lot of fans. i'm not sure that it's "baby's first" anything, but along with Salt and Sanctuary it was among the first to introduce Soulslike elements to Metroidvanias, kind of a breath of fresh air after the Igavanias had turned the genre kind of stale.
insert obligatory "it's not for everyone" disclaimer here

Any anon got that twitter screencap of gmanshills crying over not getting a review copy of mgs3remake and then some random who telling him lifes hard when you feel entitled to everything and then gman shills responds butthurt?

shit killed me, seriously FUCK game journalists and "reviewers"

play the fucking game yourself OR watching gameplay and make up your own fucking minds

>>718809491
>Giving your game to reviewers might as well be the red flag instead these days
Kek this

>>718810394
>he can smell you
I just showered yesterday in my plumbed bathroom with a functioning toilet in it, and last time I looked in the mirror I wasn't fucking brown. Wtaf?
>>718810434
>Can confirm. You smell
Your sense of smell is wrong since I'm not fucking Indian for fuck sake. And shower regularly and use deodorant probably unlike you, vermin. Also, I don't shit in the streets or harass women online for bob and vagan. I'm the least Indian person alive fr fr no cap on god.
Retards, the both of you clowns.

>>718811274
>I've built a career on talking about video games!
>now gimme dat fo free or I can't do my job

>>718811772
free code isn't the point obviously, it's riding the early review hype

>>718798361
if the game can't be previewed by experts it shows there's something wrong with it. might have viruses. might have problematic content. either way, I shan't be buying

>>718811276
I put that into SD and gave her a pussy.. so hot

>>718811202
Any credibility he had evaporated after the Starfield review
>comments closed
What a pathetic faggot kek

>>718812094
>experts
XD

>>718812014
it's embarrassing on multiple fronts. he's talking about his career and his love for the series in one breath, and then saying that he will maybe play/cover the game eventually because he didn't get a free copy.

>>718809965
First game is fairly apolitical outside of having a small amount of gay characters. If its story was leftist propaganda I didn't notice at all.

>>718811070
Alright reasonable

>>718798361
Usually it means the company is trying to hide the state of the game. Not saying that's the case here. Just that if the company thinks reviews will hurt sells, the reason is generally nefarious.

>>718800189
idk have you played the game jam game hollow knight was based on? Hungry knight is not great, even for a flash game.

>>718800191
You really can't if you're posting on 4chan. I've already seen all the new mega evolutions for the next pokemon game and I wasn't even looking for them

>>718798906
One of those guys that does this type of videos, Gellot i think, once nearly got killed because someone fired a gun at his house. I still wonder if the person who did this was mad that they got spoiled of a game?

>>718797996 (OP)
>parryslop 33's faggot devs went on a media tour to get jerked off by retarded jew faggots with no taste like jacob geller the moment the game came out
>a fucking 92 opencritic game is getting fifty "documentaries" from the kinda of tasteless youtubers who would worship bioshock infinite for being a legendary political treatise and a literary masterpiece
>all because it was made by some french jew faggot with muh 30 devs and a doggerino
>all over a game that looks like shit, with a story that's paced like shit, gameplay that has "innovation" that's less imaginative that adding lootboxes and is rife with unimaginative encounters that play less like turn based games and more like soulsborne shit

>team cherry doesn't give any early codes to reviewer jews
>don't give a fuck about anyone other than their backers, who deserve to play the game first
>is literally just two guys with one or two helpers who made the game not for vanity, not for GOTY, not to go on a faggoty press tour on youtube friend simulator channels, but because they enjoy making their game
>know they can get away with anything
>the fags that want constant social media updates to feel like their life has meaning are melting down because team cherry didn't care about any of that extraneous communal fake hype bullshit and instead just focused on the game
>makes every jew in journalism, on social media, and on trannyera melt down because they're not playing along with the faggot jew media circus
>they're gonna sell millions of copies and have more kids while journo jews and that french faggot gather at Keighley's TGAs to validate their insincere, forced, new-age access media circlejerk
words cannot describe how based these guys are

>>718799313
>midwit hating on UE5 because reddit told him to do so

>>718814503
>>the fags that want constant social media updates to feel like their life has meaning are melting down because team cherry didn't care about any of that extraneous communal fake hype bullshit and instead just focused on the game
This is by far the best part of all this. I love seeing the "book club" types raging because their watercooler conversation didn't get fed by this game the way they'd hoped.

>>718800705
I like team cherry because they tell guys like this to pound sand THOUGH

>>718800276
you're ngmi

>>718814503
As much as I'd like to see it this is why Silksong has no chance of GOTY. Team Cherry does not give a single fuck about sucking journalist dick, hell I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even turn up because Ari is too busy autistically sketching more bug porn.

>>718797996 (OP)
Never gave a shit, never will give a shit, will laugh when they are all homeless

>>718811062
kys

>>718801641
>That's when I knew that his review are worthless. He doesn't even buy it even if he thinks it's 5/5. That's how much of a retard he is.

I've pirated games and then bought them when I thought they were good. I would buy a game over multiple times if I thought it was fantastic. This really puts things into perspective.

Journalists sacrifice a lot of time and energy helping gamers make informed purchases and it's a pretty big red flag when a studio chooses to not send out review codes. Seems like TC has something to hide.

>>718815915
you first, retard.

>>718815237
>As much as I'd like to see it this is why Silksong has no chance of GOTY. Team Cherry does not give a single fuck about sucking journalist dick
They'll still get awards out the ass cause people will go fucking apeshit if they don't.

>>718817068
>Journalists sacrifice a lot of time and energy helping gamers make informed purchases
Anyone remember Cyberpunk 2077

>>718817068
I'm sure everyone will feel very cheated and regret cheering this move by Team Cherry

>>718815237
remember when they invited the pizza tower devs to the TGAs, made a point of saying they were there, showed them in the audience, and then gave the award they were nominated for to dave the diver?
i fully expect another high level snub like that

>>718817068
Thank you for the laff.

>>718797996 (OP)
If anything I wish all games would just shadow drop

Whatever happens with journo melties, I WILL impregnate this pretty girl (male) whilst Hornet watches.

>>718815237
>because Ari is too busy autistically sketching more bug porn
Based

The fact that these "reviewers" still have any sort of credibility is fucking insane

>>718799593
I think HK was ass, but will fellate Team Cherry for this decision.

>>718814503
>extraneous communal fake hype bullshit
but your post is actually full of the same sort of shit but just chud-coded. there are multiple points that you make that the average gamer or even /v/ poster would have no idea about. You are just are guilty in participating in the communal bullshit as everyone you complain about. It is clear you are a frequent consumer of ragebait and you are simply promulgating the things you claim to hate here via greentext. nigger.

>>718819419
Nah you're just a brown person that likes expedition 33 because you have no taste and no life :)

>>718819419
fuck off back to twitter, you ape

>>718809489
Same anon here. I gave up for now, Grimm took me several tries but daaaaaaaamn this guy is nutty.

>>718819419
You talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded. Dilate you journocock sucking freak

>>718797996 (OP)
Modern indies are such chuds, getting on their knees for another game. The scene really did die after 2017.

>>718801114
>Português do Brasil
Kek
I wonder if bongs get as mad as portuguese fags when they see shit like this.

>>718819778
how hard is it to save a picture at its default resolution?

>>718797996 (OP)
>Journos give it 10/10
I buy
>journos give it 5/10
I buy anyway
>journos give it 1/10
I BUY TWO COPIES

>>718814503
>he's still seething because of sony leaving the hardware market

>>718804903
>Just don't announce anything if you're going to delay it
I know a lot of people on this board have never had jobs before but unforseen, unpredictable complications arise in the workplace all the time that delay the job

>>718798361
no one actually does, journos are delusional

>>718797996 (OP)
>partly
I would assume that's the entirety of the reason.

>>718822556
Complications yes. Unforeseen? Eh, maybe sometimes.

More companies should follow in Team Cherry's footsteps. The more unemployed journalists, the better.

>>718811070
You're mostly right but it absolutely is baby's first metroidvania. More specifically it brought in a bunch of dark souls fans who've never played metroidvania before that, and many haven't played another since

>>718822786
It's literally universal in the workplace, you didn't realize you needed something you didn't have, someone fucked something up that now has to be redone, someone integral to your project gets sick or has a family emergency or an injury that puts them out of commission, it's just something that happens unpredictably and you have to work around it. "If you were going to delay it, why did you even announce it" is a retarded statement that comes from the perspective of someone whi's never had to actually work, especially with a small group of people where there's way less possibility of someone substituting for someone else

>>718798906
>implying journos could beat the game

>>718798361
Parasocials getting assmad on behalf of their favorite internet friend. As if you'd want a fucking game journo for a friend.

>>718798674
if the game had wheels it would be a bicycle

Watching video game journalists losing influence and legitimacy turns me on.

I genuinely love how journos can't ride off the coattails of one of the biggest releases of the year.

Bro one of the lead devs had the time to have THREE FUCKING KIDS during the development of Silksong.

That's not a result of dev hell.

free bump

so does hornet have actual lines of dialogue or did they turn her into a silent protagonist?

>>718797996 (OP)
Based beyond measure.

>>718830234
She speaks and even insults people.

>>718830234
she has some small lines and she frequently grunts and yells during combat/actions
you can turn it off in the menu

>>718799193
AAA games give out review copies as part of a marketing blitz. They want their name out there as much as possible, because they rely on hype to obfuscate the fact the game is a broken mess on release. Journalists are corrupt parasites that won’t mention this, so it’s all free marketing unless someone breaks ranks and manages to go viral.
AA and Indies give review copies because they genuinely need the exposure.

Silksong doesn’t need hype in the slightest. They have no reason to kowtow to journos, because the spineless wretches will keep their heads down and follow the herd once they realise where the wind is blowing.

>>718797996 (OP)
That's what companies do when the game is shit, anon. It's a major red flag.

>>718819705
>complains about them but does nothing
Daily reminder that YOU WON'T DO SHIT.

>>718831220
but its essentially free money
plenty of people have heard of silksong but aren't that interested in buying it
but would easily be swayed by their favorite eceleb or propaganda service recommending it to them

I just want to know if it's getting a physical release anytime soon

>>718831516
Three spergs set for life don’t need the money, and they don’t want some faggot spoiling the game when their backers haven’t played it yet.

>>718831516
Bro HK sold 15M units. If even just a quarter of those buy Silksong day one, that's bigger than most AAA releases.

>>718798517
>game ''journalists''
>solving puzzles or discovering secrets
lel

>>718831516
>how are people going to find out about things without influencers talking about the trends everyone is already aware of? please pay us to shill

>>718831618
sure there are extenuating circumstances for this game which i understand
but in general the practice is just win win for everyone
ecelebs get more attention
game gets more attention
players get a better picture of your game's quality

>>718803185
Mega jej

>>718802364
I agree with the title of the article, unfortunately gaming journalism like the main branch it comes out of is not the same thing it was when it was invented. Now its just follow the thread until you see who holds the bag to see what interests they promote. Youtubers are even worse because the line is invisible. I have my own issues with Team Cherry and how hostile they are to their own community and i played Hollow Knight on release. Its a really really fun game but it didn't need a 6 years later sequel marketed as the second coming of Christ.

>>718798906
I remember that happening with Super Mario Odyssey, the Bowser capture was plastered in every other day 1 walkthrough video.

>>718797996 (OP)
lol so its guaranteed to be shit

>>718797996 (OP)
Sounds like you'd fit in with Reddit or tranny discord servers then

>>718830797
>and she frequently grunts and yells during combat/actions
good, it would feel wrong if she wasn't constantly shouting random gibberish like in the first game

>>718814503
I see a lot of Hollow Knight fans going "oh Silksong's going to be great but E33 is something else man!" It's funny how many babies first metroidvania players are also players of the babies first 'JRPG' game...

>>718814503
>>718833749
These kinds of retarded takes is why sometimes i don't want to talk about the things i don't like about some developers. Some retard seething that people are having fun with E33 but also putting TC on a pedestal because based devs stringing everybody along with their shitty memes for years just to release a game that people would have enjoyed the same as a dlc or as a full release game but not 6 years later. The game will be fine but 6 years have been wasted on it. Also you can seethe as much as you want and E33 will still be something that pushes more studios towards trying to be better.

>>718799502
Lets not fucking equate reviewers/journos being faggots to justifying this shit. Even Nintendo has better messaging on not ghosting for shit like Prime. It felt like I was following the fucking Omori development

>>718797996 (OP)
I think their justification is actually really cool. I respect that a lot. If the people who funded the game in the first place can't play it yet, why would anyone else? You think journalists get to play the new Final Fantasy before Shinji Hashimoto?
If you think reviews are important you can just wait for the reviews, break free from the shitty ass FOMO culture pushing so much garbage in videogames. Win-win.
There is literally not a single bad thing about this.

have they said what the price is? kinda annoying that it's not shown already...

>>718836909
It's free, it's coming out on GOG day one. Just download it, check it yourself, see if it's worth whatever they're asking.

>>718835152
Tbf it'd be better for everyone if you just never talked at all because you seem to be a catty faggot that sounds like a vindictive woman.

>>718835152
>because based devs stringing everybody along with their shitty memes for years just to release a game that people would have enjoyed the same as a dlc or as a full release game but not 6 years later
you should seethe less and take meds for your MC syndrome instead. and expedition 33 is going to be as much of a positive influence on gaming as bioshock infinite was. if you weren't a chimpanzee you wouldn't be seething after reading that.

>>718797996 (OP)
The only thing early reviews and scores are used for is shitposting and consolewarring.

>>718798906
If that shit appears in your algo, its because you searched for it, entirely your fault

>>718806817
I don't give a shit either way. It's their game, they can do whatever they want with it.

Fuck journos.

>>718814374
Nah, he just lives in America

>>718814503
Expedition 33 still living rent free in your head lmao, keep suffering, the game will win goty and you will cope

>>718797996 (OP)
i might just buy the game just for this, hope it becomes a common thing

>>718839451
Nobody cared about Bioshit, expedition 33 sold 5 millions copies, cope

>>718800705
Yes, this will impact smaller reviewers and media outlets, but I do not USE reviewers or media outlets. Why should anyone have an obligation to support an industry they don't use?

>>718801771
>It's Time To Start Trusting Strangers Offering Candy From White Vans

>>718797996 (OP)
It will be nice to actually be able to play the game at launch without the entire game having been spoiled because some journo hack fraud leaked the game prior to release and or spoiled way too much shit in their pre-release review of the game.
Fuck them.

And if you desperately want a review before buying a game? Wait a week and read a post-launch review then.
But even then I don't know why you'd do that instead of skimming through an actual playthrough from someone.

Pre-release review copies -are not necessary- and they often do more harm than good.

>>718798361
I only care if majority of reviewers give the game a huge negative score. If it was so bad they couldn't buy the journalists then it has my attention. Otherwise I just watch clips on YouTube and decide from gameplay videos if I want it or not

>>718804353
I used to like reviews of games I had legit never heard of before, but nowadays those tend to get buried under endless reviews of games everyone knows about, or the journalists using their site to cry about things they don't like.

>>718799958
I won't know either if journos get early copies because who in their right man trust the opinion of journos? So if I had to chose, I like it more if journos suffer on top of me not knowing if a game is good at launch.

>>718819705
>anti-weedfag falls for weedfag's bait and engages with him instead of just ignoring him and removing the fucking weeds

>>718839451
Bioshock Infinite was a positive influence?

>>718797996 (OP)
I'll be getting it and don't need faggot reviewers to tell me why they do or don't like it.
Why don't we have a price yet though? Only two weeks away.

>>718797996 (OP)
I have a feeling the game will be bad and they are hiding it. I doubt they have continually worked on it for 7 years even if they are a small team. I’m sure they have gotten so much money through the years through purchases of HN because of the silksong meme. I think that’s the real reason for the wait. Similar to how Bethesda has milked Skyrim and artificially delayed the next elderscrolls title.
I’m not a fan of this series but I will be feeling bad for everyone who is excited for it. Hoping you guys don’t go through the starfield type of disappointment.

>>718797996 (OP)
Normally, this would be a sign of devs being unsure of their game, but I can trust in Team Cherry. They know that people have been waiting for 7 years, and they don't want the entire game laid out on every walkthrough website before it's even out, which is what would've happened if review copies were floating around. It's not like anyone needs journos in this case anyway, it's a sequel to fucking Hollow Knight, what do you need a review for?

>>718842294
oh god damn it lmao

>>718843156
>jillions lined up to play this

>>718797996 (OP)
Why is this game such a big deal?
I never heard of this series before this week.

>>718843401
Also found a cosplayer

>"NOO THE JORNOS NEED FREE EARLY ACCESS COPIES!"
>/v/'s seething hatred of hollow knight is so strong they are siding with journos

>>718799465
>>718802118
>>718804435

Your statement reveals a profound ignorance of the gaming landscape. The fact that you think journalists 'don’t deserve' pre-release copies highlights a disturbing assumption – that we should simply accept games without critical evaluation. We do deserve them because their work directly impacts sales, developer reputation, and industry standards. Your comment is not just an insult to journalists; it’s an attack on the very idea of informed consumerism. Perhaps you should consider why your opinion seems so consistently rooted in negativity and a desire to tear down established institutions.

>>718843543
imagine pushing them over and watching them fall on their face since they can't properly move their arms

>>718831516
People can still talk about a game after it comes out.

>>718797996 (OP)
>No reviews
>This piece of shit is the first time in history that it is a good thing
You retards are subhumans
It will have no review copies because its the EXACT SAME FUCKING GAME
>>718843506
It really isn't Hollow Knight has 20k peak players POST gigashilling, it had 10k before that, and the DLC is not even in top wishlisted

>>718824670
The implication is that "credentials" for gaming "journalism" are incredibly arbitrary so any troll with enough determination could get a review copy just for day one spoilers.

>>718843543
>Wrong! This man is deceased!

>>718800094
>>718842294
If there's a machine gun turret then you can throw all the stones you want.

>>718798361
When there are no review copies its usually because the game is fucking dogshit (which is very much the case here)

>>718799590
keep coping buddy. its gonna be overhyped slop

so is there any actual gameplay aside from the clip that just looks identical to the first hollow knight?

>>718843897
>It really isn't Hollow Knight has 20k peak players POST gigashilling, it had 10k before that, and the DLC is not even in top wishlisted

HK never had a massive player peak because it was a literal who for years before word of mouth made it massive. Meaning there is not a single time where a huge portion of players would be playing at the same time but a pronounced constant wave of new players buying it.

Also Silksong is still the most wishlisted game on Steam btw.

>>718844147
Anon there's demos available at gamescom. Not hard to find footage of people playing it.

>>718844208
yes thats what looks identical to hollow knight. anon.

>>718844245
sure, buddy.

>>718844272
okay anon. any gameplay that looks like a sequel, anon?

>>718844316
Yeah, lots. Check out some of the gamescom footage

>>718844316
The part where you're playing as Hornet in a different kingdom.

>>718798361
The only fun thing about games is posting about their scores

>>718844525
Numbernigs are cancer

>>718844525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNm-t9eWSvA

>>718843969
The vast majority of games release without reviews.

>>718843729
Game journos are no different from youtube reaction fags who leech off the work of others while putting zero effeort on their part. Fuck them, and fuck them doubly for demanding special treatment while claiming to be some righteous defenders of consumer rights.

>>718845219
They're worse. At least youtubers haven't spent years attacking their audience.

>>718799593
they are based
fuck game journos

>>718798361
when it's a shitty developer it might be concerning because the game might suck. otherwise, like this case, nobody cares

>>718839787
If you have anything tangentially related to it prior, even months in advance, it'll show up. Which is why I have all watch/like history cleared and disabled and I mainly follow cooking and guntubers.

>>718801772
have you ever thought that's because it was with other developers? what reasons does anyone have to not trust silksong?

>>718845219
They also believe that film directors are more important than software engineers that have mastered algebra. You can see evolution working backwards in real time.