Thread 718821739

Its funny how /v/ seethes at this game when there is really no other metroidvania game they can list thats better despite them yelling BABYS FIRST METROIDVANIA

Hollow Knight has challenge, good bosses, actual exploration that gives you choices on where to go instead of the illusion of exploration, secrets that reward fun content, amazing music/atmosphere, the path of pain and A FUCK TON OF CONTENT

/v/ will seethe and say super metroid and SOTN like normalfags but super metroid is painfully short/linear and SOTN is painfully easy and the reverse castle is padding to bring up the game time. /v/ will bringup ninesols but the only thing it has thats better is MUH STORY MUH STORY which…who fucking cares? I want a better game not a movie. The rest of metroidvanias do not even compare to the top ones

/v/ lost

>>718821739 (OP)
You realize 90% of the people bitching about a game on this board probably haven't even played it, right?

Opee falling for obvious shitposts, pathetic

>>718821739 (OP)
Mateo Lombardo

>>718821739 (OP)
>super metroid and SOTN like normalfags but super metroid is painfully short/linea

Super metroid isnt linear retard and why are you saying short as if its a bad thing? Hollowknight is painfully padded and 15 hours too fucking long.

>>718821739 (OP)
/v/ prefers call of duty and gacha

>>718822583
super metroid is extremely linear compared to hollow knight

long=/=padded. You cannot name any instances of downtime or filler that collectively takes up longer than 1 hour of playtime. Matter of fact is that it has more good exploration, much more bosses, much more combat playstyle variety (despite 1 moveset) and more secrets to uncover than 99.9% of the genre that isnt Rain World or Environmental Station Alpha

I don't play tranny slop

>>718821739 (OP)
Nine Sols has better combat, enemy design and boss fights and character design. Hollow Knight has more boss fights but it has a fair amount of bosses that kind of suck like 10 of them I'd argue I didn't like or cared about.

Also you can't just ignore story when HK gets lore videos from fans and you see people talk about the characters and story in this game,

>>718823792
Something I'll add though is unfortunately something I'd admit is that the badges/skill system for both HK and NS aren't really that diverse with what you'd use in both games in terms of meta. You have a lot of these skills/badges but you're typically going to stick with a select few, though at least with Nine Sols it isn't as obvious and clear cut the best badge to use as Hollow Knight is with Quick slash and weak strength for straight forward dps boost.

Castlevania games while still having options that are clearly the best ones to use, still allow the freedom to freely change what the player is using anytime that it doesn't feel as restricted with what you can use that you can still experiment with other shit more.

>>718824191
Fuck I also forget to mention this as well. Something that Castlevania also has over both games is that due to not having the skill point system that limit that amount of skills you can equip, Castlevania opens the freedom of playing around with whatever the player collects and finds without trouble. Meanwhile in HK and NS the skill point system reinforces the player to make builds which reinforces the problem of just sticking with the best skills instead of experimenting with other skills.

Also Castlevania music just kicks both the asses of Hollow Knight's and Nine Sols'

>>718821739 (OP)
>the path of pain
>fun

>>718821739 (OP)
So why are you hyped for this game? It's woke as hell

>>718825105
>100% optional DLC challange for experienced players where the only reward is a short lore cutscene
>bad
Wow, fuck giving players more options, right?

>>718825674
I clapped when Hornet put on her trans flag cape in the trailer.

>>718821739 (OP)
Hollow Knight is probably a decent game but I don't care to play it because of the tacky reddit artstyle

>>718821739 (OP)
That Pacman Metroidvania was really interesting. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would but what hurt the game is the pacman mazes being mandatory and that shit was hard towards the end with the final boss. I beat the game on hard and glad I did but I don't think I'll ever replay it. Game reminds me of HK in some ways but the Art in others reminds me of Astlibra. HK I loved but nothing will ever come close to Astlibra for me.

>>718823792
We get it, youre overly impressed by parryslop where positioning doesnt matter and bosses are all on a tape recorder that dont care about your actions
It just so happens we like hitboxes and creative enemy attacks instead of the entire challenge of the enemies being a simplified version of sekiro

Nine Sols is better in every way.
And this is coming from someone who loves Hollow Knight.

I actually started playing SotN for the first time a month ago, and holy shit is it boring. I don't understand how people can claim this is the pinnacle of the genre, when you have shit like 10 screen-wide corridors TWICE in the first two hours, completely brain dead bosses you kill in 10 seconds just using all of the consumables. The enemy placement comes down to a ranged nigga on a slope you can't hit easily without a consumable. I really don't understand how people are creaming themselves over this.

>>718821739 (OP)
/v/ seethes at every new release and loses every time

>>718826519
Except you literally need to position yourself correctly to parry and there are attacks that require different parry methods. And the way to deal back parry damage requires attacking at the right time to apply damage. On a tape recorder is how I’d describe Hollow Knight bosses. HK bosses aren’t more creative than NS’ and like I said HK has a fair amount stinkers for boss fights.

>>718821739 (OP)
I think Hollow Knight is great but the best Metroidvania currently in existence is Rabi-Ribi

>>718826571
If Nine Sols counts as a metroidvania, then so does Dark Souls.

>>718826994
>metroidvania
can you stop using this zoomer terms the vania part added fuck all. Its metroid-like

>>718821739 (OP)
I like Hollow Knight but I certainly think other games in the genre do a lot better
>Movement is stiff and bland (Silksong seems to have fixed this to an extent)
>You get very few meaningful upgrades over the course of the game. I crunched the numbers and you get around 1 every 4 hours, which means you spend a lot of time doing the same thing with little actual progression going on
>Exploration rewards are mostly just charms you won't use, or shit to hawk at a store for cash. Never feels worthwhile to see what's in that optional path
>Music is too atmospheric and ultimately ends up being forgettable
I still enjoy it, but I very rarely replay it. I hope Silksong fixes all my issues with it

>>718821739 (OP)
Circle of the moon was better than hollow knight and it's not even close. Metroid Fusion is better than both.

Watching video game journalists seethe from being denied special privileges is funny.

>>718827178
Are the game journalists in the room with us right now?

>>718827263
Yeah.

>>718826967
Also the way enemies and bosses fight in Nine Sols vs Hollow Knight are night and day. Most bosses and enemies in HK attack at a slow rate, rarely attacking in sequence in combos and you have Iframes after taking damage. Nine Sols however you have no iframes and it’s common to see enemies attack in combos. This leads to combat being more punishing and require more of your attention.

>>718827019
>zoomer term
Aria of Sorrow, and the term Metroidvania, came out long before any Zoomer would be playing it.
Think a little next time.

>>718827582
>rarely attacking in sequence in combos
Even including minibosses, the number of bosses in Hollow Knight that use combos outnumbers the ones in Nine Sols.
Just stating a fact.

Ori 2 and Ender magnolia because theres more than a single attack the player can do

Hollow knight wore out it's welcome by over a dozen hours. Restraint is a virtue and I fear Silksong is going to make the same mistakes.

>>718826967
you barely need to position yourself to parry, all that matters is that the attack is going to hit you in a game where enemies like to slide
Only unbound counter is interesting, otherwise theres no such thing as a different parry method. At most you have a dumbed down version of sekiros's sweep jump
You dont even need to aim at the attack tl parry it if youre midair
Attacking at the right time in 9S is extra trivial because the basic slash has near zero commital and theres a lot of options to make it easier to do talismans. But qi blast/full control is really cool

HK bosses actually parry and dynamically respond to your position so much more. 9S is literally copying the clashing clang clang game and doesnt have a SINGLE boss that defends from you
>>718827582
Most, but lategame bosses like Soul Tyrant and Pure Vessel and NKG and Sly can throw a lot really quick. And in this case it actually matters because HK is a game where hitboxes and positioning are real
In 9S it doesnt really matter. I dont care if i just parried 4 attacks or if i jump did a taichi kick over a green, the next attack to deflect is still an isolated one dimensional button press. Its so much easier to make faster enemies if the player defense is so much more one dimensional
you really should go play sekiro which you blatantly havent

>>718828065
Funny enough Ori 2 has 20% less atracks available for the player at any given time because of the shitty 3 slots limit. And one of them will be the braindead heal skill so its actually more like 40% less

>>718827917
Keep in mind HK has more bosses in total than NS. The bosses in HK that have combos aren't really the same realm of combos and level of barrage that you'd deal with in NS. And finally the lack of iframes reinforces the threat of the combo attacks as you have to react to each attack rather than just nullifying a combo entirely after getting hit once by tanking it with iframes.

>>718821739 (OP)
>better combat
Metroid Dread
>better atmosphere
Super Metroid
>better exploration
Animal Well
>better artstyle
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

>>718821739 (OP)
People WANT to dismiss anything that's popular, it's an instinct we have, and children especially are prone to it. It's the opposite side of the herd mentality, a drive that helps new generations of humans discard old ideas more easily to strive for new ones. However, if you indulge in this too much, you simply become a contrarian, and this has been /v/'s issue since its inception.
Extremely hyped for Silksong btw, it's unironically shaping up to be the best metroidvania in history.

>>718828579
>>better combat
>Metroid Dread
lmao

>>718828242
I mean I still prefer Nine Sols' combat, because honestly HK is still much easier than the experience I had playing Nine Sols. Even with the arguments you presented with hitboxes and positioning it still was an easier experience that didn't present as much challenge as NS did for me.

>>718828639
Did you ever stop and think that maybe you're a tasteless zoomer and your first foray into the genre isn't all that great?

>>718828393
They are literally in a higher realm because in HK you actually care about your specific situation for dealing with attacks
It literally doesnt matter what Eigong does. If its a white attack, i can press 1 button to deflect it unconditionally. If its her green attack, i can deflect it midair unconditionally. If its her red attack after the midair slashes, i can dash it unconditionally. If its her red ball after cancelling the talisman, theres almost no case in which i cant UC it (and even then just dash out if impossible)
In HK you actually need to deal with hitboxes and your responses may have to change. Closest 9S has to that is some DoT floor overlapping with attacks

Its literaly so much easier to make combo attacks in a game where your defense is
>press 1 button
than
>get out of the way of the attack OR dash through it with a significant cooldown

>>718821739 (OP)
Guacamelee 2 is better by every metric.

>>718828852
Except none of the bosses in HK are anywhere as hard as Eigong.

>>718828791
For the record i first tried half the bosses in nine sols and spent half an hour dying to NKG, absrad, failed champion etc

Its blatant you prefer nine sols' combat but you wanna discuss about muh combos and depth so you might as well not be completely wrong
To be blunt i think you find 9S harder just because youre not good at its one dimensional defense. And even then difficulty is quality either, its not like HK is focused on being a generically "haha im le hard" game for most of it and it has other goals
once again i really urge you to actually play sekiro, 9S has cooler attacks than sekiro, but defense&difficulty wise its literally just a babyfied sekiro

>>718828909
Thats because youre atrociously bad at playing eigongs' one dimensional reactive simon says. I died 2 times because of her dogshit hitboxes when i was trying to do something interesting, then i decided to play the simon says and i killed her in my third.

>>718828810
I don't even remember what my first metroidvania was. Probably Zero Mission, at least that was the first one I actually finished. And I played a fuckton of them since then, with GBA Castlevanias being the only exception.
Hollow Knight was great because it didn't try to wow the players with amazing new ideas or anything like that. Instead, it took the existing ideas and polished them to perfection. That polish is what made it great. And the fact that Silksong was being developed for 7 years with no drama or reboots tells me that these Aussies made something special, something bigger than Hollow Knight but just as refined. And if I'm right, it will easily take the crown.

>>718821739 (OP)
Both NIne Sols and Prince of Persia mog it to oblivion. HK is a shitty Soulsclone with the same non-story, cryptic dialogue, cringy NPCs, "oppresive" atmosphere and a general "go out there and kill shit because...erhm...reasons" gameplay

>>718828951
I mean the only bosses I'd consider hard in HK are Pure Vessel, NKG, and Absrad and maybe higher tier Zote. Failed champion isn't hard imo, he's just normal False Knight but faster, just use the same strategy but faster. Meanwhile a lot of the bosses in NS presented much more of a challenge to me because of the lack of iframes and attacks feeling more rapid generally.

>>718828985
I find it hard to believe you beat her that easily, but if you did, congrats I guess.

>>718829026
If by polish you mean remove, yes. The game is as barebones and basic as it can realistically get and on top of that it is longer than most. It's completely dreadful.

>>718829185
If you played sekiro you would have too
like jesus fuck brother go play sekiro

>>718823792
parry is shit tier gamedesign

>>718829195
Did you just break the seals, book it the Hollow Knight, and left thinking that was all the game has?

>>718826381
it has good art direction so i dont get this idiot complaint

>>718826571
eh, i played nine sols and the combat feels kinda weird, i dont know what's up with the main attack, nut it just feels of, not like you are using a sword. also it's missing all of the gloomy charm of hollow knight

HK is boring. Sorry not sorry.
The art and atmosphere are good but thats it.

>>718829185
Also HK having more bosses also meant it had much more bosses that I'd consider stinkers or bosses I just didn't enjoy fighting. Like a lot of the spirit mini bosses I didn't really care about and No Eyes is just annoying. Crystal guardian, collector, flukemarm, gruz mother, nosk, massive moss charger, soul warrior, traitor lord, vengefly, ummu were either annoying or just jokes of a fight.

>>718829219
No

>>718821739 (OP)
Hollow Knight is my 2nd favourite metroidvania after Ender Magnolia

Hollow Knight is carried by its art and atmosphere. I think Silk Song could be a big improvement and the gameplay might go from passable to boring. A long metroidvania does not equate to a good one. A difficult metroidvania doesnt equate to a good one either. It has better bosses than your average metroidvania, but bosses are not the pull of the genre. Aria of Sorrow has not a single boss worth talking about except for Julius but people still love that game because its well paced and fun to play

>>718821739 (OP)
Ninesols gets brought up every time and beats it in every category. HK is a amateurish platformer with bad combat and Silksong looks the same made by the same 2 man team. So i doubt it will be any better.

I don't think HK is the best Metroidvania but Nine Sols cucks are the most pretentious faggots on the face of the earth so I'm going to say HK is the best just to spite them.

>>718829596
I'd argue the fact that it has so much bosses that a good amount of them kind of suck like here >>718829346
that the actual average boss quality is on par with the rest of the genre. As good as PV and NKG are as boss fights, you still have to deal with the rest of the bosses the game throws at you.

Nigger Nine Sols isn't even a metroidvania. Why do you faggots keep bringing it up?

>>718822583
SM is absolutely linear, the closest thing to non linear it has is that you can enter Meridia through the pipe instead of the main entrance, though this would only likely happen if you were too retarded to find the main entrance like me. Anything else is not by design

Every Metroid game is never as good as Metroidfags pretend it is either through nostalgia goggles or pure Nintendo bias.

>>718821739 (OP)
>pretends people cant name a game
>seethes about said game that shits on it anyway
Ninesols blows it the fuck out of the water in art style, story, combat and just writing quality.

>>718829876
See>>718829762

>>718829924
You retarded or cant u see OP himself brought it up. Seething way too hard that people rank it as a better metroidvania, but i guess at some point you will grow from it.

>>718826994
>then so does Dark Souls.
NTA, but Dark Souls level design is basically metroidvania in 3d. Nine Sols is less of a metroidvania than Dark Souls IMO (I still love both and also love HK)

>>718829762
it's not?

I'm a huge Nine Sols fan and you cannot compare it to Hollow Knight. Not in terms of quality, but because the goals of both games are extremely different. One's an exploration heavy world that invites you to get lost in it, the other is a story heavy game that invites you to master its combat. No, Godhome does not invite you to master it, it's something you discover and willingly indulge in yourself if you so choose (I have Radiant every boss)

Also Sex with Heng and Liwen

>>718830037
Notice how you don't ever mention exploration, the single most important aspect to a metroidvania.

>>718830056
No, it's just a sidescrolling action game. It doesn't have anything that you could use to justify calling it a metroidvania. It's also just objectively not as good as Hollow Knight. You could only MAYBE argue the combat is better but I think HK has better combat personally.

>>718829727
Yeah bosses arent a selling point to me in a genre with historically shit bosses. Even classics like super metroid has trash bosses that arent ridley and phantoon

>>718830043
Dark Souls doesn't have power ups that allow you to explore more areas that MVs have. Like sure the level design will have shortcuts you can unlock and there's keys you can collect to unlock certain areas, but that's not really in the same spirit of MVs.

it must be hard being a 9sfag and having to live with such inferiority complex

>>718830091
what makes a metroidvania is basically the exploration part being tied to the abilities, right? it's been a year since i played NS and i stopped after a while because i'd rather wait for silksong than play both after each other, so silksongs gameplay loop remains more fresh.

i dont know, i also did not like how nine sols combat feels. the animation, the sword is like some kind of whip.

OP is a faggot

>>718830065
Based Xia Women enjoyer. NS is basically a Metroidvania's equivalent of a JRPG. It sacrifices the hands-off philosophy of its western peers and goes all in on a hand-crafted narrative for you to experience.

>>718830160
Honestly, I don't even care about this topic enough to argue. I think it would be more productive to post Heng

>>718821739 (OP)
While I did like HK, I prefer Blasphemous 1. Mostly because the spirit work was fire, I liked the setting of the game more. The Penitent One to me looks cooler than the Knight, and I found myself liking the combat more in B1 than HK. I enjoyed Nine Sols more, too, but this thread has already talked about it a lot.

>>718830091
Putting combat aside, I'd argue Nine Sols has better writing with its characters and story, better character designs, better enviroment art and better boss fights in general. Also spending currency is WAY less annoying in Nine Sols than HK as you just have one hub to spend everything at and can fast travel to it at a save spot.

>>718830227
Yeah, a Metroidvania is all about the progression of movement options through power ups that allow you to unlock more and more new areas through getting over roadblocks you previously couldn't get through with your limited moveset. I have no idea why Nine Sols fags focus so much on combat when there are Metroidvanias out there that literally don't even have any combat in the first place. Combat has never been important to this genre. Nobody would say SotN or Metroid had good combat cause they don't.

Why does simons says parry slop make normies lose their shit? It's like the gayest shit ever

>>718830317
I dropped Blasphemous before finishing it cause it felt like it was trying way too hard to be Dark Souls with some of the worst feeling movement I've played in the genre. Also not enough verticality.

>>718830091
HKs exploration is dogshit what u on about? Every part of an area is nearly indistinguishable from the last and most of it is filled with horrible gates every 2nd map, which completely kills any joy you would have. Not to mention it has no actual useful loot to find outside shitty geo which is worthless. Never even played Ninesols, but it cant be any worse than that turd.

>>718830403
Have a (you) for your bait

>>718828639
mindless contrarianism to me is below even sheeple. sheeple look at the media and decide what to think, they are slaves to the media.
contrarians look at sheeple and decide what to think, they are slaves to the sheeple.

>>718830324
what kind of metroidvanias? i guess this just makes those games more like puzzle platformers whereas HK is a metroidvania that has more of a focus on the fighting aspect. it makes sense, at the end of the day, both are sidescrollers, with a focus on combat, whereas HK also uses metroidvania design to focus more on exploration. that works really well with the whole premise of the abandoned kingdome you are exploring

>>718830324
Don't people suck off HK's combat a lot though too? And if you think about it you only really get three or four upgrades that unlock exploration via movement upgrades

>>718830227
>what makes a metroidvania is basically the exploration part being tied to the abilities, right?
i'd argue that a non-linear progression is somewhat required.
i really liked nine sols but it's very linear, and one of the most important aspects of the genre imo is getting lost, entering several new areas in a row and then getting those eureka moments where after several hours wandering about, you end up looping back to an earlier area

>>718821739 (OP)
>BABYS FIRST METROIDVANIA
I've literally never seen anyone type that before

>>718830547
it's dragonirian's latest schizoid target. he seems to hate every popular non tripleA games

>>718830392
Fair, the game does wear it's Dark Souls shirt to every meeting, and the movement of B1 is clucky to many. Though to me, that didn't ruin the game since I got used to them pretty quickly.

>>718830460
Yes but the issue is you get an apples and oranges situation with Nine Sols fags saying "obviously Nine Sols is better" when they're using the wrong metric to judge the game, saying HK is worse because it's not more like Nine Sols. They're different games. You can have preference for which you prefer but don't use the same measuring stick to judge them cause they're not even the same genre.

>>718830476
How many upgrades you get is irrelevant. The fact that it exists as a mechanic and the exploration aspect of going through levels finding where next to go is what's important. The constant feel of finding new undiscovered areas is the appeal of a Metroidvania. The upgrades are the means to that end, not the end itself. Which is why I'd consider them secondary to the exploration itself. It's why I'd kind of agree with that anon saying Dark Souls is kind of a 3D Metroidvania. Combat is supposed to be an obstacle to exploration, not the focus itself. I honestly hope Silksong doesn't focus too much on the combat cause that's not the appeal.

>>718821739 (OP)
i don't think you understand anon
i don't hate the game
i hate retards that overhype them and constantly spam the board and the internet for a whole month waiving praises or shitstorming, pure normgroid mentality

>>718830746
>being excited for a game out of merit rather than marketing budget is sheep mentality
Theres like 1-3 big name releases worth a damn every year and this one finally appeals to people who
a. care about gameplay and not any retarded shit
b. are sold by the gameplay and not because the developers have a marketing budget of of hundreds of thousands (they just spend like $100 on a trailer and call it a day, events beg for them to show up)
c. is an actually fresh sequel rather than the 20th entry of a franchise by a company with 100 other games
>>718830660
9s fanboys on /v/ literally have no brain dont bother

>>718830746
you are angry that silksong has like three threads on the catalog right now?
you are mad because people are happy that their game which has been developing for seven years, is going to be released?

>>718830660
>Yes but the issue is you get an apples and oranges situation with Nine Sols

fair enough, i dont take that thread seriously anyway. i mean, just look at a lot silksong threads acting like the game already released and they are judging the final product when it's not even out yet. but there is a need for people to talk about the game

>>718828684
>not an argument
Concession accepted.

>>718829272
Im not paying for a glorified ActionScript Flash player looking game and no amount of retarded zoomies is going to convince me otherwise. I'll pirate it, then toss into the pile like an actual full blooded gamer.

>>718830897
>9s fanboys on /v/ literally have no brain
Only because retards only ever reply to the ones that have no brain. The easiest way to shut down these people are to find ones of their ilk that don't share their flat and biased perspective (me, I'm just excited for Silksong)

>>718821739 (OP)
i played it, i liked it, i just don't get why people went so nuts for it. Probably a pedo thing

>>718821739 (OP)
I'd probably more hyped for the game if it wasn't like the 999th time it got delayed

>>718828684
You think HK is better than dread when it comes to combat? are you retarded? Samsus's moveset and kit is way better retard

Is there a mod for hollow knight that removes the vignette filter

>hurr it's not metroidvania
I don't ever see anyone arguing that Axiom Verge should not be considered metroidvania despite that game being as linear as a metroidvania can possibly get.

Is Silksong going to improve the balance of the charm system or is it just going to be "just equip the charms that improve melee damage and melee speed" just like with weak strength and quick slash all over again?

>>718831412
progressing past the first area

>>718831640
hollow knights' charm balance is unfortunate but people underestimate the ever living shit out of the utility/crutchy charms
i assure you not a soul would bitch about the 5th pantheon if everyone gave a chance to charms like quick focus and baldur shell

>>718831640
This is my biggest hope too. There wasn't enough actual customisation of your build for how important combat was.

>>718831691
>>718831640
i wouldnt be worried about costumisation

>>718831681
I thought basically everyone used quick focus? 90% of the time I die in HK it's from not having time to heal.

>>718831681
I mean yeah I also use quick focus a lot, it's just I also use that in conjuction with weak strength and quick slash as well typically when I have enough charm slots lol.

>>718830660
I feel like upgrades changing the way you play is what makes a metroidvania a metroidvania. Exploring a world can be done with keys, which is what RE and Dark Souls 1 does, and because of that I wouldn't consider them metroidvania. Hollow Knight has a few upgrades, but they rarely actually decide where you can go. There's more or less three pits that require the shitty crystal dash, and two places that require the double jump. The only upgrade that felt like a meaningful addition to your moveset was the wall jump

>>718831746
Do we know how crest works? I don't want the combat moveset to get TOO complicated cause the main reason I like HK combat is how simple and easy to get into it is. I suck at games like DMC or fighting games where you need to press buttons in conjunction with analogue stick movements that are hyper specific and easy to fuck up.

haters be mad we eating good

>>718831746
I think I would rather most if not all of those attacks available at once mapped to directional inputs or something instead of limiting them between equips

>>718831373
it never got delayed except when they decided to make it a full game instead of a simple character dlc
keep coping

>>718831863
I could never get used to the street fighter combos you need to do for some of the special moves in Castlevania reliably. It got pretty egregious in Bloodstained when it has all of those buttons, yet leaves a button unused yet still uses the button combos.

>>718832003
I would rather that not be the case.

i just found a charm after hitting every wall for 10 minutes that makes my character fart with every attack

>>718831863
its just a moveset switching equippable. i think it would be cool if there was a way to swap across moveset
>>718832003
that sounds like a nightmare for controls

>>718832117
>after hitting every wall for 10 minutes
All but one of the breakable walls in HK have visible cracks you dummy

>>718832163
that one wall you are talking about is the one leading to the bee kingdom, right?

>>718821739 (OP)
Personal taste and very different from "normal" metroidvanias but imo animal well is better
Might just be because I'm a puzzle lover though

>>718832127
>that sounds like a nightmare for controls
just looking at the pogos you could map all 4 easily
>just press attack for the dive
>hold up and press attack to get the bounce
>hold down and press attack to get the other bounce (these would probably be consolidated though)
>hold attack to get the shredder

>>718832293
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Chat, I am not crazy. What if... I figured out the solution to the puzzle while I was looking at unrelated things on my phone?

>>718824191
>I'd admit is that the badges/skill system for both HK and NS aren't really that diverse with what you'd use in both games in terms of meta
I don't think the point is to have a balanced meta but rather support a lot of different playstyles
Not every player will do the ball rushing bosses.

>>718829876
>horrible sonic oc tier character design
>blows anything the fuck out of water

>>718821739 (OP)
Well, I can't speak on Silksong considering it's not out yet, but Nine Sols and PoP: Lost Crown are both better than Hollow Knight.

>>718826571
I haven't played ns but from watching a buddy play it, it looks far less interesting
It honestly just feels like a chink ripoff even though it's likely not even chinese

>>718824191
they should've had different types of charm slots so trash like uh mushroom cloud could go on the circular miscellaneous slot while the attack augments would go in the triangle slot and something like quick heal goes in a square slot

>>718832498
I didn't like it because I wasn't interested in the story it kept shoving in my face but more importantly despite being a linear action game it still had half-assed metroidish area design. Like just make it a fast paced action game that I can blitz through instead of stopping and starting to level my skills and buff my healing and shit

>>718832459
How the fuck do the characters in Nine Sols look like Sonic OCs? I can make the argument that a lot of the character designs in HK look like stick figures with big heads

>>718832304
>>hold attack to get the shredder
theres already gonna be attacks about holding buttons
it would also not be fluid as a default moveset tool because the attacks are (thankfuly) instant on press and dont wait to check for a release, so you must swing and then wait a moment to pull out charge attacks which are special like nail arts

Legit had a dream that the price of silk song was $25, which means that is not the price

>>718832004
>it never got delayed
And I'm the pope, my son.

>>718832269
i think that one visible, just more subtle (and still hinted anyhow)
Path Of Pain is the one wall that is completely random and invisible

>>718832709
Anon he's right. I don't think you know what the word "delay" means. Them taking a long time to release it doesn't mean they delayed it. Delaying requires an initial point of reference for a release date that the devs changed and pushed back. They never actually said when Silksong would be out so objectively by definition it was never delayed.

>>718830160
Not unless you count glitches

>>718832684
well of course I would want the pogo to be instant so I would have the default pogo transition into the shredder rather than wait a release. That's a good point that holding the button is likely tied to charging nail arts. But regardless, its possible to map plenty of actions to a single button
again lookin at the dash attacks you have forward hold on hit, back hold on hit, up hold on attack, attack hold

I hope it runs well on steam deck.

>>718830160
>Dark Souls doesn't have power ups that allow you to explore more areas that MVs have.
yet it still has more route variety than nine sols in all entries except ds3

>>718833063
I mean okay, I don't know why you had to bring up Nine Sols here.

>>718833207
The start of the conversation was debating nine sols' metroidvania-ness
9S has a nice interconnected world which is good for making the setting more believable but it doesnt really have much of any favors outside of aesthetics. and its a little silly to say "it does everything hk does but better" when hk is literally THE game for route variety and nonlinear exploration while still having progression/powerups/sense of early game and lategame/etc

closest you can get is Rain World which is also an insanely good world but its very free-roamy

>>718833319
Nowhere did I say that Nine Sols was better than HK in regards to level design. I only think Nine Sols is better with its writing, art, boss fights and combat.

>Dash
>Wall Jump
>Double Jump
>Nothing else
Really?

>>718832709
ok pope, then send us proof it was delayed
if it got delayed as many times as you said it should be easy to show us any news of a delay

>>718833416
the reply chain literally started with someone saying
>Nine Sols is better in every way.

>>718833936
That wasn't me

>metroidvania with Bloodborne art and atmosphere,exploration with side quests and huge locations,cool as fuck magic and weapon variety and enemies that aren't bug variations and a protagonist who looks like a badass instead of a faceless bleach hollow
There's absolutely no way in fucking hell I can enjoy your shit game after playing something like this, it's just the way it is.I don't even think you play Castlevania games.

I'm losing my mind. How do I beat this cunt? Not my image

>>718833986
just say you're gay homie

>>718834941
Just keep dashing under him to get behind him whenever he jumps.

>>718835239
I know what I'm supposed to, I've just not got that dog in me anymore.

>>718834941
Hit him with your nail

>>718821739 (OP)
Is pale court good? I heard the bosses are harder than absolute radiance so maybe it's not for me

>>718833986
i've never heard of this game before and looking at the steam page its easy to see why
stop trying to do soulslop in 2D, you're never going to beat S&S because you won't commit

12 more days.

>>718835740
Wait does that picture mean they didn't fix the shitty map system?

>>718835740
>12 more days to beat this
shit

>>718835808
The map system is as it should be

>>718835808
lmfao shitter

>>718835824
I could put up with the map only filling in at save points or having to buy a partial map to start filling it in, but both at the same time sucked cock. It's just an obtuse way to handle existing systems for no real reason outside of being different

Between this and GTA, /v/ should know that they're completely fucking irrelevant and tiktok mogs their relevancy over 10000x. Both these games will make record profits while /v/ can only cope and seethe. Even the threads complaining about it here will simply just be ripoffs of viral twitter posts because that's how far 4chan has fallen

>>718835956
But I'm /v/ and I've always loved my Australian Bug Simulator

>>718834941
hammer him when he tries to heal
make more rocks fall from the ceiling
watch out for it's AI bug out and chain walljumps if you keep your freakout attack go for too long

>>718835956
gta is nearing fifa-tier, its too normalcore even for this place

>>718827178
>hollowtrannies unironically defending not being able to get some idea of the game upfront
you faggots need to rope
>lewl needing journofags to tell you what to like
I don’t give two shits about journofags’ opinions but I do want to be able to see what I’m getting via review videos and walkthroughs and the fact that TC refused to do it is very suspicious

>>718836074
>thinking GTA was ever not lowest of the low normalcore since fucking vice city.

>>718836120
you could just wait like a day until all the reviewers you love so much have a video up about it
the options here arent buy it on release or dont buy it at all, are you quite literally retarded lil boy

>>718836120
lmao seething normalnigger can't form his own opinions

>>718834941
If youre struggling, heres a cheesy strategy

>You can farm soul by dream nailing him while hes staggered. Slashing him once resets the timer. So you can slash him once, dream nail, slash, repeat until your soul is full
>deal only 1 less hit than necessary for him to leave that phase. Then do a cyclone slash to get him out of it
>Spam spells (preferably abyss shriek/howling wraiths) while he jumps to the center of the arena
>Reflect any falling projectiles into him
Then a tiny few more slashes should be enough to finish him off into the next stagger

>>718835928
hornet starts with her own map it seems

>>718836120
>not being able to get some idea of the game upfront
Thats what the demo is for
learn to form your own opinions

>>718821739 (OP)
>Best metroidvania
>Not out yet
Ok buddy, have a (you), it's on me.

>>718836793
That's not so bad then

>>718836884
Despite the OP image being Silksong it's very clear he's talking about the first game

Yeah okay but where my Quirrel or Zote campaigns?

>>718821739 (OP)
tellem xister!!!!
how far along are you in your tranxition

>>718836748
>Dream nail
>Hit
>Dream nail
>Hit
>Dream nail
>Hit
>Dream nail
>Hit
>Dream nail
>Cyclone
>Spam spell
>Whack boulders

>>718836748
Fuck me, I almost beat this cunt and then he animation cancels

>Metroidvania
Should we rename it to Silksongvania?

>>718837771
no, its called hollowmania

>>718837805
HOLLOWMANIA SPREAD ACROSS THE NATION

>>718837805
no its called hollowkino

After rewatching the trailer and all available footage, I think Silksong might look so much better than the original that I won't be able to go back to it

>>718838001
I love all the added mobility. Mantis just looks so much more fluid.

>>718821739 (OP)
A videogame should be judged on how you remember it and how you feel once you've finished it.
Hollow knight had no emotional impact, no story, a mediocre OST, many of the bosses were just "meh" and if people are calling it baby's first metroidvania it's because they know it will 100% trigger the zoomer tastelets who also love other garbage games such as undertale and ultrakill.

People only "seethe" at the game because you won't shut the fuck up about it, clog the internet up with it 24/7 and can't fathom that not everyone likes it

>>718838068
>see thread for thing you don't like
>enter it
>get mad
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO MEEEEEE~

>>718838068
>how dare the mainstream internet be excited for (literally the only mainstream thing happening)
also nobody minds the fact you dislike the game if you arent sounding like a whiny baby that hates it on principle just because it got popular

Metroid has better movement, level design and platforming. It does not need to stick one particular formula, just being the best exploration based 2D actionplatformer.

By Metroid I mean Super/Fusion/Zero Mission/Dread

Pretty hyped for Silksong

>>718839460
no game in this genre does exploration better than hollow knight, i wonder if even silksong will

>>718821739 (OP)
It's just malding tendies. They do this when a multiplat achieves GOAT, even if they can play it.

>>718821739 (OP)
isn't this like literally the most wishlisted game on Steam ever?

>>718821739 (OP)
Nine Sols has better combat
Aeterna Noctis has... well, maybe not better platforming, Path of Pain is fantastic, but it's not limited to one area. 40 hours of CBT platforming is kino

But yeah, HK is the overall GOAT

>>718839668
Arguably so. For me HK gets just too big and tedious.

Will silksong get updates in the future (all HK dlc was promised updates in crowdfunding) or will TC move on to something completely different?

>>718839832
They've already said they're going to do content update for years to come.

>>718830378
>normies
You mean normalfag?

It's all meme difficulty bullshit born out of Souls and Sucknblow (Sekiro).

>>718829421
nta, but you really should though. It's a cool game and if you like parryan and clankan, you're in for a treat.

>hurr durr my gaem is better than ur gaem even if they're same gaem
A whole lot of retards here.

>>718821739 (OP)
No one ever liked this Soulslop trash. Muh no story, muh cryptic dialogue and weird NPCS, my go out there and do whatever for zero reason. Only "le deep" plebbitors like this trash. Same people who watch 3 hour long Youtube videos about Elden Shit lore.

Metroidvanias are retarded. Why would you want to remember and revisit and backtrack areas all the time? You could do the exact same thing by not backtracking and by respecting the player's time.

The fact that people have come to idolize asset reuse due to convenience and budget limitations just shows how utterly retarded normgroids are

>>718821739 (OP)
It's true. I've played quite a few, and almost none of them stand out as great games. HK set itself apart in many ways.
Some good ones I'd pick out are Blasphemous, Salt & Sanctuary, Ori, Environmental Station Alpha. (I haven't played Cave Story or Nine Sols yet.) I put HK above all of those games because it's the most consistently good in every area. They are all missing something, whereas HK's biggest flaw is that it does too much.

>>718821739 (OP)
Silksong is going to be a fetch quest simulator like a Bethesda game.
>accept NPC quest in town
>complete it
>go back to town
>accept new quest
etc

What is the symbolic meaning behind beating metallic penis statues with your "needle" sword to make white "soul" juice come out?

>>718826967
Anyone remember og Nosk? He literally had two attacks.

>>718821815
>>718821739 (OP)
For some reason I only played it once after buying in 2018.
The announcement made me remember that I already have it and I started again yesterday.

How long does it take to beat it fully?

>>718821739 (OP)
tranny coded game

>>718844318
first playthrough maybe 20 hours, but you probably wont get the true ending. also the 20 hours doesnt include all the dlc content so bump that up to maybe 25

>>718844318
Casually the base ending should take about 15-20 hours. True ending makes it more like 25, and 100% should be around 40 hours.

>>718823792
>you can't just ignore story when HK gets lore videos from fans and you see people talk about the characters and story in this game
Yes I can.

>>718843569
You know what's even more lazy?
Just make the map upside down and claim it's a brand new level.

>>718843569
Most (good) metroidvanias don't have that much backtracking. If the idea of spending 5 minutes revisiting a zone with fresh upgrades from time to time seems awful to you, maybe the gameplay is shit in the first place.

>>718821739 (OP)
Aria
Dawn
Portrait
Castlevania
Super Castlevania IV
Metroid
Super Metroid
Zero mission
Fusion
Bloodstained
Symphony
Harmony

>>718826571
Catgirl thighs and exposed pussy claim another

>>718821739 (OP)
La-Mulana

>>718846171
It's so easy to just disregard anyone who mentions Bloodstained.

>>718835956
Doom Eternal proved that, assuming you remember the flop predictions.

>>718844318
I'm trying to play it for the first time and fight the Radiant? Radiance? I'm getting raped like 10 hours into the game

>>718846862
The key to beating the Radiance is to hit it with your attacks while not getting hit yourself.

>>718846908
Bro, I'm getting raped by the Failed Champion

>>718847028
Oh wow, have you tried getting a few hits in, then healing with the spirit you get from hitting him?

>>718847175
You get no charge from hitting him. Only whenever he goes down and you spam dream nail. I'll beat him later though. I can get to phase 3.

will the world design of Pharloom be kino enough to warrant video essays like these again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ITtPPE-pXE

>>718835603
Plays nothing like souls like and why would I care about completing soul and sanctuary?

>>718821739 (OP)
>has challenge, good bosses, actual exploration that gives you choices on where to go instead of the illusion of exploration, secrets that reward fun content, amazing music/atmosphere, the path of pain and A FUCK TON OF CONTENT
Sounds like Dark Souls 2 teebeeaych

>>718847224
Did you know: you can hit the boulders and send them at him?

>>718847501
Yeah, but they always take my focus away from the white cum waves

>>718826967
You don't need to position yourself in nine sols lmao, half the bosses teleport or rubberband to your position with every attack to force the parry. Directional parrying is not positioning. In terms of tape recorder bosses, when you can post footage of beating 40 bosses in under 20 minutes like you can in HK, I will accept that Nine Sols gives you comparable flexibility in combat to HK. But you'll never be able to do that because it can't be done. Nine Sols is all about standing there and taking your lumps until the boss gives you permission to respond.

>>718837085
Weren't reached as backer goals.

>>718821739 (OP)
>>/f/

>>718847991
Kill yourself, wannabe janny

>>718821739 (OP)
The Undertale/Deltarune fanbase of the metroidvania genre.

>>718821739 (OP)
>there is really no other metroidvania game they can list thats better
unironically pic related. I don't care what EOP normalfaggots think

>>718844318
a first playthrough to 100% is usually like 50-60 hours
Or just 40-45 for most of the main game ignoring the autismo boss rush DLC and anything too completionist

>everyone naming games that came after it
Lel

>>718848403
Why?

>>718826970
Why did the thread continue past this post?

>>718839802
>Nine Sols has better combat
Nine Sols combat is low IQ parryslop for ADHD zoomoids.
>Stand almost perfectly still, press block to parry whenever the boss does a movement, and wait for your designated turn to return damage
The moment you realize how passive, purely reactive, and boring this gameplay forces you to be, you realize how hard you're getting scammed by the parryslop genre. All these knockoff devs are copying Sekiro but forget the one thing Sekiro did to keep the gameplay fun: the bosses are the reactive ones in Sekiro; they will stand still and do literally nothing until you attack first, and so even as you mash block you're still ultimately the one dictating the pace of the fight. Nine Sols and basically everyone else imitating this approach forgets this part and makes a game that's just Digital Simon Says.

Hollow Knight is the opposite. There is no parryslop in Hollow Knight. The bosses have movesets that don't force parrying and waiting as your only practical countermeasures. They require you to learn how to position yourself around their moves and respond accordingly. You can, and will (with practice), literally dance circles around them vomiting nonstop damage into their bodies until they die. That is fun. That gives you options. You don't have options with parryslop. Parryslop is not fun, with basically the sole exception of Sekiro.

Hornet sex

>>718821739 (OP)
This game will steal the GOTY from Clair Obscur and Death Stranding 2.

Metroidvanias are fucking gay

Play a real action game

>>718851542
Go back to Nine Sols chink nigger

>>718821739 (OP)
Super Metroid and Castlevania are both better

>>718840090
I recall these guy saying they wanted to move on to something else, wonder what changed

Bros how the fuck do you do Pantheon 5 Markoth? This shit is kicking my ass more than NKG

>>718852001
>I recall
You can "recall" it, but can you provide sources, brother?

>>718821739 (OP)
reddit game

>>718852001
I've never seen them say they want to move onto something else after so I'm not sure.

>Fighting a boss
>Random shit just keeps spawning in
I thought we agreed this shit is fucking retarded? Why is it EVEYRWHERE in Hollow Knight?

>>718852563
Go back

>>718852272
Rely on nail arts in phase 1 for the increased range so you can assblast him from beyond the range of his shield. The moment he pulls out the second shield, just nuke him with spells. This means there's a hard limit to how many times you can heal or use spells in phase 1 because he doesn't actually have that much HP and you don't get a lot of sovl from the fight. Also, don't be afraid to let him win. His P5 arena is super gay and there are many places he can wander where it's simply not safe to attack him, and your best bet is to hang back and wait for him to move somewhere else. This is also good advice for handling AbsRad in her platforming phase.

>>718852702
They're there to give you free heals

>>718852816
Not every random bullshit enemy gives you heals

>>718852941
Filtered lmao

>>718828289
>And one of them will be the braindead heal skill
Only if you're bad and need to heal constantly. And even if you are you can just equip the shard that makes enemies drop more health.

>>718852984
You posted one reply and got your ass gaped harder than your fagdad kek

>2 weeks away and you're already seeing bitter anons trying to make up reasons to hate the game
lmao, being bitter and hating games really is the only thing /v/ plays now

What are we thinking bros? This map barely goes up yet.

>>718853570
Well it looks fucking huge that's for sure. I wonder how much of the full map this is.

>>718853570
As a comparison the Silksong map might be as big as this part of Hallownest.

/v/ seething at this thread

>>718853676
>>718853570
Fug forgot my image.

>>718853570
why you niggas spoiling the game for yourselves

>>718853761
I watched the trailer and couldn't help it.

>>718846537
I got stuck after the Guidance and Giants bosses

>>718853570

It seems huge
Lile I feel this is only a third or a quarter of the world
Especially since we havent even seen a couple of the other areas yet and the citadel itself

>>718821739 (OP)
>Hollow Knight has challenge
No just a tranny game

>>718853986
rent free

>>718826571
Nine Sols appeals to my furfaggotry so it's the better game

>>718821739 (OP)
>wow that game looks cool I wonder if anyone on 4chan is discussing it
>every single thread about it is reserved for scathing arguments about whether it's better then metroid and whether it's "reddit"

To this day I have never managed to complete the Pantheon of Hallownest

>>718821739 (OP)
Any metroidvania without souls-like elements is inherently better than either of these piece of shit games.

>>718854543
Silksong isnt a soulslike

>>718854516
I never even tried. But now I might cus after silksong, HK will probably feel very boring to play

>>718854575
Is it not? I might actually play it then. I'm not gonna lie, my ass is simply too old and too busy to be bothered with "lose all your shit on death and then run back to go get it" mechanics in video games anymore.

>>718854402
Yi left her to suffer for eternity instead of correcting her with his cat dick so nine sols is the WORST game

>>718854543
>>718854658
why do zoomers think a game mechanic popularised by diablo is "soulslike"

>>718854658
>"lose all your shit on death and then run back to go get it" mechanics in video games anymore.
You'll be doing that an awful lot in Hollow Knight...

>>718854591
I did the other 4 but honestly I don't like hyper autistic sweat lord, play for 30 minutes straight against hard shit without making a single mistake or have to restart type shit. I would have much preferred the game have check points between every boss but those bosses are hyper amped up so the one shot you and have like 10 times as much health or some shit like that so you could work on perfecting each boss one by one.

>>718853824
That's really early. You didn't read the forbidden tablet twice in the Mausoleum of the Giants, did you? It permanently enables hard mode.

>>718852702
That's the best sort of boss design. 1v1s are boring.

>>718854728
It's literally tagged as such on the Steam store, don't blame me for calling it what everyone else seems to think it is.

>>718854745
I know, it's why I stopped playing it. If Silksong is the same, I won't be bothering with it either.

>>718854839
Have you considered that you would have to retrace your steps to where you died anyway to make progress?

>>718854289
Dilate

>>718854745
Wait, how exactly does death work in Silksong? The souls mechanics made sense in HK with the void shade and all, but Hornet isn't void.

>>718854946
Hornet leaves a coccoon that has unsecured rosaries.

Nine Sols is on par in quality when you compare pros and cons of both games, too bad people don't want to play it or hate it because it looks Chinese and has furries.

>>718854946
I assume it works on "it's a video game, shut up"

>day 1 gamepass
why do these niggas hate money?
they could just charge it $40 and it will still sell like millions copies due to the hype

>>718821739 (OP)
>fags hyped the shit outta Hollow Knight when it came out
>play it
>most boring metroidvania ever, with an artstyle that just makes every enemy and background look the same
>a decade or so later fags start talking about this Silksong shit like its the second coming of Christ

Cant wait for a month to pass and nobody ever mention this overhyped garbage again.

>>718855020
I won't play it because it won't let me skip its shit cutscenes.

>>718854946
the knight left behind void upon death, hornet will leave behind some silk shit. literally doesnt matter about the void

>>718855094
They're not Jewish

>>718855094
I assume MS paid a shit ton for gamepass and TC knows it will sell gangbusters on other platforms anyway, so why not?

>>718855094
They already have a gorillion dollars, I don't think they care. They said they're only releasing Silksong because they have to

>>718855094
Bro its the most wishlisted game on steam lmao

>>718855020
What kind of people you think like HK? Probably those who value exploration the most, right? 9S is a great game but it's linear as shit and will therefore always be inferior

>>718821739 (OP)
Why does every game that comes out now have to be about a sexy woman with a sword?

>>718855020
I'd play it but for a game focused on parrying, every video I've seen makes it look as if weapons have zero weight. And if I want gookshit, I'll go back to my regularly scheduled xianxia.
The best metroidvania is Salt and Sanctuary

>>718855098
>I only like reddit approved games
Yeah we get it already stop seething

>>718855245
I will never not laugh at Meng Hao

>>718855098
hk got a thread at least daily before any silksong news lmao, how fucking mad are you right now :DD

>>718855303
Bai Xianchun (the MC of Er Gen's next novel after ISSTH) was even more comedic and shameless.

>>718855391
Xiaochun*

>>718853570
Why are there so few bonfires?

Bretta sexo

>>718821739 (OP)
Sibling incest

So bros, what do you think will be the first OH NO NO NO NO moment that will happen to silksong that /v/ will use to endlessly shitpost against it? Reviews? Glitches? Something woke?

>>718828639
bug pussy...

>>718855649
Is it on PlayStation day one?

>>718855649
Probably the length. Some speedtranny will beeline the ending in 6 hours and shitposters will pretend that's the norm.

>>718855649
More gay bugs like the first game.

HK is the only metroidvania I like.
I've tried SOTN, Metroid zero mission, Metroid fusion, Metroid prime and Bloodstained.

Of those, Fusion and HK are the only ones I could finish.

Of those, HK is the only one I really enjoyed.
My opinion is not informed enough to be able to explain why.

>>718855956
>play the best game in the genre by far that everyone fully agrees
>wonders why you enjoy it over the others

There hasnt been a genre in gaming where 95% of people agree that its the best the genre has to offer besides metroidvanias and silksong

>>718855956
>My opinion is not informed enough
Most self-aware HK fan.

>>718855245
I like that the only part of this that isn't 100% accurate is the end where he drops a one liner. Xianxia dudes can unmake the universe but they can't tell a joke

>>718855649
The first will definitely be dishonest game design.

>>718856220
Trvke nvke

>>718855649
They're making Hornet a lesbian

>>718856278
It depends on the protag. Meng Hao was not purposely written as a jokester/clown/funny guy but the next two webnovels' protags (Bai Xiaochun and Wang Baole) by the same author certainly are.

>>718856306
>more dimensions gooder
Porquoi?

why does no one mention music? Its literally half of the enjoyment in the game. Its just magical

>>718856306
I'm playing 1d (you)farmer. I'm not very good at it.

>>718856534
Have a point.

>>718856470
it's mid

>>718856470
>best song
>on the shortest fight
but why

it's the bees, of course

>>718856470
Didn't particularly care for it. Axiom Verge, SOTN, La-Mulana, Super Metroid all stuck out much more.

>>718856470
I think the OST is very atmospheric and background noise-ish but NKG's boss theme is one of my favourite video game OSTs ever.

Still no price? Really?

Favourite HK boss?

>>718857179
I've done everything except absolute radiance and pure hollow knight, because fuck those massive tournaments with no checkpoints

NKG

>>718857179
poopoo bug

>>718857179
Mantis Lords
>best music
>perfect choreography
>they acknowledge my victory and bow to me

>>718821739 (OP)
Still not buying this gay ass game lmao I’m seething so hard rn I’m “lol’ing” even

>>718856470
Because Silksong will have even more kino music

>>718830430
90% of the badges you find in HK are dogshit

>>718857235
>muh NKG! muh kino!!
This is every single HKfag ever. Defending the same terribly designed, dishonest boss. Over and over and over again.

>>718858006
It's the most fun.

>>718856220
nobody actually thinks HK is the best game ever. It's just "le most epic" because of the insufferable "git gud XD" mentality attached to it

>finally decide to do godhome
>breeze through P1
>get stuck on brooding mawlek but get the hang of it eventually
>breeze through again
>get curb stomped on oro and mato
Their attacks are bullshit, mid arena one of the fuckers would take the defensive position while the other ass rapes me from behind with no room for me to go to, and there is no way to differentiate them from each other so you cant focus the one with the lower health.

>>718857179
nightmare king, but i've heard if you actually do the boss challenges or whatever it can become tedious because it's a highly choreographed and predictable fight (almost like a dance? wew no way)
>>718858006
>buzzward galore
filtered lmao

>>718830160
>power ups that allow you to explore more areas
Aka forced backtracking, the worst part of Metroidvania. Just one more reason Dark Souls is better at everything

>>718821739 (OP)
Literally every single metroid or castlevania game is better than this pile of doodoo

>>718858195
>DUDDDDE ITS PERFECTLY FINE TO HAVE A BOSS THAT CONSTANTLY FILLS THE SCREEN WITH BULLSHIT THAT 2 SHOTS YOU AND YOU NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO HEAL OR RECOVER IF YOU MAKE A SINGLE MISTAKE AND ALSO YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO USE RANGED ATTACKS EVER JUST YOUR SHITTY MELEE THAT DOES NO DAMAGE AND IS SMALLER THEN A GOLDFISHES DICK LMAO

>>718858374
holy schizo getting filtered really buckbroke you huh

>>718858260
Dark Souls has backtracking out the ass, the hell are you talking about

>>718858374
Have you tried getting good?

>>718858442
>did nothing to disprove this terrible boss design
I accept your concession.

>>718858374
yes

>>718858505
whatever helps you sleep at night lil chuddie

>>718858374
Good rage. Bait or not, get my (You)

Remember how everyone on /v/ shat on Doom Eternal for "you can only use this one weapon type against this one boss in the way the devs wanted you to fight him" shit?
HK unironically, actually did just that and yet its the best game ever. Makes no sense to me.

>>718858374
Hilariously, I like this boss the most because it's the ONLY boss that does NOT feel like this (other than the fill the screen part).
NKG is the only one that feels like a really organised, well performed dance you can seamlessly smooth your way through.
Every other boss in the game is "random bullshit go".

>>718858636
I remember everyone loving Eternal while the few schizos like (You) still persist
Silksong won, Eternal won, it's time to seethe in peace

>>718858826
this is just terrible bait anon
also as good as the guy who once tried to tell me "noo man spells are great in HK especially against bosses just git gud lmao"

>>718858881
The world must seem like one giant bait to the terminally online schizoid heh

>>718858881
>noo man spells are great in HK especially against bosses just git gud lmao
watch a speedrun

>le edgy and grimdark metroidvania
Black souls + extra steps - porn

how would YOU write him into the game /v/? he can't just appear out of nowhere because of 'le epic throwback'

>>718859537
You know how in Disney's Fantasia the Night on Bald Mountain segment ends when the church bell starts ringing and it banishes the demon?
Silksong is like that, when Hornet reaches the top and stops the bell, Void Dude can get in because he's no longer kept at bay

>>718859198
>edgy

>>718857179
Pure KINO

Should I replay HK to prepare for Silksong? I want to but I'm worried I won't enough have enough time + I'll burn myself out.

>>718859537
It's simple.
The gods are greedy. Except for the forest Queen, she's happy with just her area left alone.

HK happens because the Wyrm decides to take over the Radiance's land.
The Radiance dies, but via power of dreams lives on in imagination and is able to spread her dream control in the real world.
The Wyrm can't kill her, so makes a hybrid creature of his own, the Queen's and the Void's power.
This gives the Void direct access to the Radiance, and he overpowers her.

That's the story, and it all occurs because both the Wyrm and the Radiance are greedy.
So just continue it. The Void is greedy, he's now obtained the Radiance's power of the mind, or even just gotten a taste for blood where before he was chilling in the deep below, and therefore he's spreading his influence.

>>718821739 (OP)
Can I get a QRD on this game and its notoriety?
Some big HABBENING just occurred, right?

>>718859752
I think this is literally the reason they dropped the trailer 2 weeks before release.
It's enough time for streamers and stuff with a million free time hours to replay HK, but not enough for a regular person to and burn out.
Cherry kinda forced us to have a fresh experience not a recently-played-HK experience, so just embrace it.

>>718859807
Huge hit years ago. Some false release dates, then radio silence. Announced to release in september after 7 years in the oven.

>>718859537
void is at the core and no matter where you are the deeper you go you’ll find void. Simple, shade lord can pop up at any place that has a path open to it

>>718859807
Sequel to highly regarded metroidvania. Been in development for so long it's become a meme. Now it's coming out in two weeks.

>>718859752
2 weeks is plenty of time, chief. No time like the present.

>>718859537
>>718859797
They're already hinting at void shit

>>718859807
>QRD on this game
It's just a fun game where you play as a little bug and fight other bugs and explore
>big HABBENING
Release date is September 4th

>>718859872
What are they doing beyind sticking to their threads?

>>718821739 (OP)
I got to 109% completion in hollow knight years ago, remember it was fun and charming, but was often a slog in parts, wish it was a bit more self contained.

Part of its design, but dread being like 4-6 hours actually made me replay it 4 times. And I never replayed games. I started a second run of hollow knight and petered out like 2 hours in.

>>718828684
Its true though

>>718859198
I like both

>>718821739 (OP)
I'm just going to casually enjoy the visuals and music.

>>718859537
I wouldn't be surprised if the cultist bugs that kidnap Hornet are worshiping the Void

>>718860807
oops, meant 106%

sorry about stollen valor

>>718821739 (OP)
God I can't wait for the sales reports and steam charts, I've been screen capping posts all week

>>718861593
Mmm, for what purpose?

>>718862731
to either prove anons right that it was a massive hit or a that more people hyped it up than actually played it, playing both sides of the isle

>>718862825
Some men just want to watch the world burn

>>718821739 (OP)
I never understood the hype of this game, why do normalfags worship it?
Same with Metroid and SOTN, why do they love metriodvanians so fucking much?

>>718863379
I can guarantee you went into them looking for good combat. Which is fine, the genre just isn't for you. The appeal of Metroidvania is the exploration and HK has some of the best exploration in the business.

>>718821739 (OP)
>Hollow Knight has challenge, good bosses, actual exploration that gives you choices on where to go instead of the illusion of exploration, secrets that reward fun content, amazing music/atmosphere, the path of pain and A FUCK TON OF CONTENT
Hollow Knight becomes easier as you obtain upgrades. Once you have obtained all the upgrades for the nail, the dash, and health, the game becomes easy. Additionally, you can only access areas once you have obtained certain upgrades; it's not like an open world where you can access any area in any order. Furthermore, the music is too ambient; there are several metroidvanias with better music, even older ones like Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.

Furthermore, it is quite stupid to compare a game like Hollow Knight with games like Super Metroid or Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, which were released about 30 years ago, where developers had more limitations in memory on compact disks and video game cartridges, and software to produce games as easily as today.

>>718863610
>exploration
You mean backtracking?

>>718863739
Case in point

>>718863627
>the music is too ambient
Faggot opinion

>>718821739 (OP)
never played holoknight
only gripe with silksong is that it was announced at least seven years too early
its like tes6 teaser level bad

>>718863739
How do you backtrack without first entering new areas to backtrack into?

>>718864004
>explore
It's nearly all small line tunnels, there's nothing to "explore"

>>718864085
You must be really fun at parties.

HKfags are the cyberpunk fans of metroidvanias

I've finally got to playing the endgame content I never got around to my first time
Pantheon 5 can gargle my ballsack, thanks.

Ayo, this gal lookin spooky. Here she is standing next to the corpse of a little nigga who looks like our little nigga. She really gonna be the next game's main character?

>>718864618
Don't talk that way about your sista from anotha motha

>>718855649
Probably spoiles. Also probably that the game will never live up to the hype that the fanbase has created around it and that it was not worth 7 years of work.

I am reminded of this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpxwviupGD0

>>718865147
Damn bitch, you fast travel like this?

>>718844318
40 hours to 100% the game and then another 20 or more for the fucking pantheon of hallownest

>>718865156
>live up to the hype that the fanbase has created around it
I don't think people are expecting something more than a sequel that is an overall improvement on HK.

>>718865156
The hype is literally just
>more Hollow Knight
Which is exactly what was promised and exactly what is being delivered

>>718865156
From what I've seen of the game so far, it looks like an improvement of the base game and otherwise just more Hollow Knight. Which is exactly what people wanted.

I'm 6 hours into Hollow Knight and it feels like if in Super Metroid Samus' beam did half damage and it took 2 hours to get the morph ball. Is it just artslop then?

>>718865579
>>718865750
>>718865954
I don't think the issue is gonna be with the playerbase who likes HK. Its gonna be with people thinking this game is the second coming of christ with all the never ever memes. Dragons Dogma 2 was the exact same and its issues were amplified by people going in with insane expectations.

>>718866283
If it didn't take over half a decade, it'd be less understandable.

>>718859537
The godseekers all share the same mindspace, the "Godhome". Just have a dead godseeker in a distant corner of the map, eyes leaking void, and have the Shade Lord come out when Hornet gets near. Easy peasy

>>718866283
>I think the issue is with trend chasing zombie retards who don't know shit about anything
Not an insightful statement

>>718858374
It's optional.

>>718856470
It's pretty mid. Castlevania kicks its ass.

>>718856470
yeah, the music in this one being fully orchestrated instead of 90% synths will be one of the greatest improvements over the original

I don't know why but I couldn't get into Hollow Knight.

>>718866242
It's just bloated as shit.
The highlight is actually the bosses, but to keep you going they make the map really really really big. And people praise it because it's really really big. Like, fucking open world metroidvania over there. I bet my ass Silksong will be twice as big and people will be praising for that, even if half the game looks like you're in the same fucking area.
I liked the game quite a bit but honestly the praise it gets for these things is just brutal. That along with the movement which feels kind of stiff here and there, which fans see as a plus. It's like they've never played a game like these before. Then games like Bloodstained and Nine Sols came out and they couldn't fucking understand some people liked them more than this.

>>718821739 (OP)
who fucking cares about you faggots having yet another melty
clearly the devs don't, they spent seven years completely ignoring their own fanbase, only thing better they could've done is shadowdrop the game out of nowhere so another Hi-Fi Rush would happen and the shitflingers all could get caught off guard because they couldn't coordinate in their discord

>>718836120
>but you don't understand I MUST buy it on launch day, I CANNOT wait a few days for reviews to come out, I HAVE to buy it at launch even though I'm skeptical

>>718855649
The price being $60

>>718867364
I'm usually all about gameplay but the OST and the art style is so fucking bland that I can't stand playing it

>>718866283
I thought Dragons Dogma 2's issue was that it was an overall disappointment even with the fans.

>>718855767
It is on everything day 1

>>718823792
I enjoyed Nine Sols, but most mini bosses were generic and a number of the main bosses were just alright.
It has better combat in theory, but the aerial mobility in Hollow Knight gives it another dimension in late game.
Also Nine Sols has barely any meaningful exploration.
it is a good game and more than just a Hollow Knight clone but it doesn't surpass it

>>718871520
What a quartet of lads

>>718821739 (OP)
I enjoyed ori more and other games like 9sols and biogun. 9sols is a much better game.

>>718821739 (OP)
>Its funny how /v/ seethes at this game when there is really no other metroidvania game they can list thats better
Literally every single Metroid and every single Castlevania is better than zoomzoom's first Metroidvania.
If Shallow Knight is your genre's premier example... maybe Metroidvania's are just garbage?

>>718871360
Dating is so hard in 2025 bros.

I want to fuck the girl (male) furry bug.

>>718871650
>Make a shitload of money so you can work on your dream game with your bros at your own pace without a jew publisher with stupid demands getting in the way of your vision
Based lads living the dream

>>718871360
lawl

>>718855649
There's going to be another purple mushroom incident where something obvious filters retards en mass.

>>718873849
Someone post the comic.

>>718866283
Why should I care about people who didn't even try out the original first? FOMO = opinion discarded.

>>718871360
Everyone (not me) on the left.

>>718866556
what did team cherry mean by this ?!?!

No one's bitching. It's just that no one actually cares about such an overrated series

>>718875501
>series
there is 1 game out currently

>>718865147
Wait. Is that a Red Hood reference in my Silksong fanart?
Cool.

>>718821739 (OP)
I have not played silksong but I have played the original.

I think Bloodstained is the better game. Exploration is better since each area is visually distinct. Enemy design is more varied. RPG mechanics including leveling, gearing, and crafting allow for each playthrough to be different. I especially like playing hard mode randomizer.
Bloodstained also has a better music score.

I do not care for the more "souls" ish aspects that Hollow Knight presents and I think the mapping system and world traversal are downright rubbish. I can commend Team Cherry for creating a good first attempt and a lengthy one. It took me much longer to play though HK as opposed to Bloodstained but the latter has more playtime do to replayability.

Neither are bad games but Bloodstained is the clear winner in terms of what it means to be a metroidvania. Hollow Knight is too metroid and doesn't strike a good balance.

>>718867364
I've tried many times and have roughly 10 hours in the game. I can never get beyond the first couple areas. I don't feel the drive. There's no mystery like Lamulana, the setting doesn't compare to metroid, and there's no rpg bait to lure me into finding new gear.
It's simply bland area with equally bland enemies while you have basic abilities.
It could be an issue that Hollow Knight just has an extremely shitty start and it gets better later, but I'm never going to get there to find out.

A “metroidvania” is just a linear hallway simulator except the hallway is a circle.

>>718821739 (OP)
how do you know its the best you havent even played it yet

God I fucking hope there's another half-dozen Paths of Pain in this.
I'm mad learning that Godhome was going to have one but it got cut, but at least it means they have the desire to keep making them.

>>718855649
Well, one of the devs trooned out in between these seven years, so it's pretty much guaranteed he'll leave at least one trans flag hidden somewhere or add a NPC that mentions gender transitioning, ramble around gender nonbinarism or something like that; /v/ will find whatever it is and rage about it while troons will pause their dilating to tell /v/ that Hollow Knight was ALWAYS a LGBTHIV+ game.

>>718821739 (OP)
>when there is really no other metroidvania game they can list thats better
Any Metroid
Any IGAvania
Rabi Ribi
La Mulana
Axiom Verge
Enviornmental station alpha
Ender Lilies
Phornotopia Awakening

>>718821739 (OP)
All it is is a shitty attempt at dark souls in 2D.
Fuck this derivative pile of shit.

>>718878002
Somebody never played La Mulana.

>>718877276
Didn't this game take like 5 years AFTER the release to be actually finished?

>>718875652
Hungry Knight is a part of the series

>>718821739 (OP)
>"there is really no other metroidvania game they can list that's better"

environmental station alpha
touhou luna nights
ori and the blind forest series
flipwitch: forbidden sex hex
axiom verge

those are just pure metroidvanias off the top of my head

>>718827019
>zoomer
Zoomers have never played metroid or castlevania stfu.

How 2 beat Pure Vessal?
The ground spikes against nightmare grimm were the hardest part of that fight but they’re way harder here.

>>718854402
>>718826571
i refused to play nine sols bc the game has respect for chinese

>>718882026
>environmental station alpha
>touhou luna nights
>ori and the blind forest series
>flipwitch: forbidden sex hex
>axiom verge
the who?
incel pedo ip???
gay flannel apple game?
literally porn??
the what??.???

Dude -- GUYS! Can't we all just GET ALONG?

Ori 1 and 2 are objectively better in every way.

>>718882872
we can't because all the other metroidvania cunts turned us into clowns.

>>718882390
flipwitch is honestly the best metroidvania i've ever played and im tired of pretending im sorry

>>718837218
>LOOK AT THIS RETARD WHO LIKES GOOD GAME
>DOESN'T THAT MAKE YOU HATE GOOD GAME?
Faggot.

>how /v/ seethes
I dont know if you've noticed by now but the vast majority of /v/ is actually willing to talk about videogames. Like every other board on this site, there's a very small percentage of mentally ill people who will witness something get a lot of attention and then spam threads against it non-stop for weeks, same fagging their own threads constantly

>>718882026
>ori and the blind forest series
The others in that list I've played I can agree with, but Ori is pure 'look how pretty I am' bait.
Hollow Knight is somewhat in that same arena but it cares about its gameplay significantly more.
If you're just talking about visuals and prefer Ori, then sure, that's reasonable, though personally I'd disagree. But gameplay you cannot be serious.

>>718821739 (OP)
I saw the trailer and unwishlisted it. it's just more hollow knight. maybe in another ten years I'll be in the mood. plus its gonna be free on gog

>>718883321
I like the movement in ori
it feels nice

>>718832843
>>718833816
The Xbox announcement where they gave a 2023 release was because Ari and William signed off on it thinking they were going to release it that year, so I'd call that a delay

>>718821739 (OP)
>Hollow Knight has challenge
you lost me

>>718881040
No the game was finished on release. All the stretch goals from the kikesharter are what took forever.

>>718832004
>it never got delayed

If your "metroidvania" lacks RPG mechanics it's just a metroid clone.
I'm sick of pretending otherwise.

>>718882026
Flipwitch sucked ass. Stop trying to trick people into playing that. It maintains that no porn game has good gameplay. Anyone that says otherwise is a coomer coping niggerfaggot.

>reddit spacing
>reddit image
>words words words words
kys fgt

>>718886009
I'm sorry I can't hear what you're saying over the dynamite OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_DAbCExTB8

how much do you think the price tag will be
my guess is 25 to 35 bucks

>>718883051
anon...get some standards or play a good game

>>718886142
Good music doesn't make a good game.
It never has and never will.
The gameplay aspect of Flipwitch is poor, the game will always be bad because of this.

Repurearia and its sequels are the best metroidvanias.

>>718886285
>"Good music doesn't make a good game"

Literally every Nintendo game made before 2008

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

>>718821739 (OP)
>Hollow Knight has challenge, good bosses, actual exploration
>A FUCK TON OF CONTENT
i beat hollow knight in 16 hours and basically had to force myself to beat it, it was so boring. ppl act like this is a hardcore game when it's so mid and just a forced game, like it tries to remind you its a game throughout the whole game

>>718886168
It's gonna beat gta6 to being then first $100 base game

>>718886729
I don't know what you're trying to say here. But I do know that it's wrong, gay, and retarded.

>>718880559
Which dev transitioned? What's his role?
The first game already had nonbinary and gay crap in it so I don't think he'll push further

>>718825105
some of the most fun i've had in video games, yes

>>718825105
Yep, I loved it. I also greatly enjoyed Super Meat Boy and Aeterna Noctis.

>>718888160
>>718888210
It's just a worse version of Cave Story's Hell.
Pale imitation of actual level design.

>>718821739 (OP)
There's only Hollow Knight and Dead Cells.
Hollow Knight peaks in a Artistic Sense
Dead Cells peaks in a Gameplay Sense
Everything else is fake and gay.

>>718889241
>Artistic Sense
so it's a shitty game

and dead cells is a roguelike not a metroidvania

>>718837218
tell me a game in your top 10 right now, i promise i won't make fun of you!

>>718889761
nta but tell me one in your top 10 or list multiple.
For me I will say
>Boktai 2
>Portrait of Ruin
>Noita
>Soul Sacrifice
>Astlibra

>>718821739 (OP)
SM isn't linear you retarded bugfaggot.

>>718829026
>Instead, it took the existing ideas and butchered every single one of them by not understanding what makes Metroidvanias tick.
Fixed that for you. Awful game.

>>718889241
both are mediocre, get some standards.

>>718821739 (OP)
>there is really no other metroidvania game they can list thats better
so? the entire genre is just 7/10 at best. Exploring enviroments in 2d is fundamentally flawed

>>718892019
I think noita does it well since nothing is handed to you.
la mulana as well

>>718892458
I remember when fags like you would get banned for browsing reddit

>>718892713
uh ohhh little contrarian faggot doesn't like when the mirror is held up

>>718893262
I don't even know what your little screenshot is trying to say. I don't use that website.
How does it relate to my post at all?