Thread 718831094

>check Delta Force page on Steam
>it has mixed ratings
>check negative reviews
>some about Kernel-level anti-cheat
>others complain about rampant hacking
So why does anti-cheat even exist? It seems hackers can get through it super easily.

>>718831094 (OP)
anti-cheats are worthless in current days. mouse-cheat, monitor-cheat, keyboard-cheat, chip-cheat..etc are undetectable because they are standalone hardwares and have nothing to do with window. Thats the highest level of cheat.

>>718831094 (OP)
Most people complaining about cheaters are not even good enough to discern between a good player and a cheater. These types of people will find scapegoats even in 1v1 games.

>>718831164
So it was a red queen race and the cheaters won?

>>718831379
the anti-cheats were never meant to win anyway.
Imagines a monitor with embedded AI/tracking that could detect enemies in 0.01 second and then send the input to your mechanically rigged mouse to move the cursor.
You just cant beat this shit, man, you just cant. Its likes a baby vs adult.

>>718831094 (OP)
>So why does anti-cheat even exist?
Anti-cheat is a waist high fence. Most people can still get over it if they exert the minimum amount of effort, but it's often enough that a lot won't put in that effort, and it will keep most dogs out.
They can do everything they can to reinforce the fence, but they can't make it any taller than it already is.

>>718831379
The cheaters didn't exactly "win", technically it's a draw, because all it takes to ban those devices is to ban their id's, but once the device gets banned after being detected, its ID can be easily spoofed to show itself as another device. Including scorched earth solutions like banning all PCI-E devices except for the GPU is just silly (and nothing stops the cheaters from just branding the cheat device as a second GPU), so the devs would not commit to that, besides there's ways to do it through other means too. It's a never-ending cat and mouse game that cannot be resolved by anything but heuristics analysis of collected data and in-person moderation. Anticheat solutions cannot be fully automated, the currently existing market of anticheat software is just a bunch of snake oil salesmen selling dumb boomers "Definitely working defenses".

The thing about anti-cheat is that it's complicated.

Anti-cheat is designed to DETECT cheaters.
Then they ban cheaters in delayed waves. Maybe once every few days. They don't ban them immediately because they want to obfuscate how the cheaters are being detected.
Kernel-level anticheat is used to detect cheats with far higher accuracy. But it is only as good as the detection algorithms, and again, the bans happen in waves.

There are some other factors. China has a HUGE population. They're doing HWID bans so banning hardware which is really essential for F2P games. But there's so many people that even if they ban a million people it's just barely putting a dent in it.

The studio is actively banning people. All these studios are. But anti-cheat is a constant battle.

Kinda pointless because modern cheaters use external process memory reader by "hacking in" to their own computer with an external device.
Impossible to catch because the cheating happens outside the computer.

>>718831836
Those devices, while not expensive, are still more costly than what most people would want to spend on cheating in videogames, and obtaining access to the programs specifically developed to run on them can cost you a sub fee comparable to most modern MMO's. I'd say that kernel anti cheats are successful at stopping low quality easily detectable hacks, but are helpless against what you have described, which is why personal moderation is still a necessity to combat cheating effectively.

>>718831836
>going all these hoops just to be able to cheat in games
What compels someone to do this? Were they diddled as kids?

>>718831094 (OP)
>>718831719
If they really cared they would region lock China and every other region that has a prevalence of cheaters from competing with westerners. That alone would fix 50% of the bad reviews minimum for a game like Delta Force

>>718832085
It's more like a hobby to some people. Some autists obsess over trains, others over MMO threads . Some autists obsess over automation and botting.

Games fun OP. I play on Mobile and console though.

>>718832085
This >>718832136
Then there's the value of griefing. I freely admit, I used lua script to aimbot in random Garry's Mod servers when I was like 9 years old. Reactions were gold, got banned from a few servers but not Vac since it's lua. Got bored after an hour or two cause there was no challenge so to speak. I certainly wasn't raped however.
There are people who cheat for the money. A guy I knew used to pay rents by doing RMT in Tarkov and Eve Online. Most of the digital goods he acquired are by cheating and botting.
Then there are the egotistical ones who pretend they are good while cheating. Would even go as far as stream all the shit while farming views.

>>718831094 (OP)
If there is no incentive to cheat then there are less cheaters. A lot of games unlock rewards or other shit so cheaters are encouraged. You will find very few of them in games that are just for fun and no shitty unlocks like Enemy Territory or old source mods. The ones who just do it to pubstomp are very few and easily taken out by server admins.

>>718832225
a fucking roach...

>>718831646
AI could maybe be used to distinguish from human movements vs automated ones.

>>718833000
It could be, but it'd be highly unreliable, because human beings can perform predictive actions, especially if coupled with map knowledge and training, they can produce movements that make it seem like their reflexes are faster than lightning. Quake 3 Arena pro footage would make it seem like they are machines playing and such an AI would most definitely flag them as cheaters basing on the hit probability and flicking, even though they have live recordings of them playing the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q76UNcuKSVY

>>718831094 (OP)
All this malware is just "anticheat" in name, for example: the one from EA/DICE needs to be manually removed, so the whole spiel relies on the laziness/oblivion of normiecattle, like any other subscription model or data sponge.

>>718831094 (OP)
Works on my machine.

>>718832085
Speedrunners and comp guys cheat all the fucking time and we've kind of come to understand that pretty much anyone that would aimtrain and clan it up to maximize their k/d for videogame ego will also cheat. People who're good at games cheat more, not less. They've already proved it means that much to them and they're willing to throw thousands of hours into it, it's not a big next step.

I'm just waiting for the big explosion of competitive players in some scene getting all busted at once and then the facade will fully drop around it.

>>718831379
Nobody ever wins. it's an arms race that never stops.

What's a containment cheaters only lobby like? Do they have fun?