Thread 718833658

>FoxEngine at their disposal
>even on lowest settings MGSV looks impressive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tveoBgpUfPg
>they go for fucking ue5
>100gb space requirement
yeah not buying

>>718833658 (OP)
performance fags need to die, kill yourself

>>718833868
It literally looks like the kind of shit you see on pachinko machines. Soulless crap. I'm still not buying remade Kojima's game konamidrone

>>718833658 (OP)
>foxengine
>the same engine that made every blade of grass look like shit
>the same engine that couldn't render more than 10 guards on screen
uhuh

>>718833921
no one gives a shit what you buy

>>718833868
>I WANT MY GAMES TO RUN LIKE SHIT AND LOOK 0.000000000000000001% BETTER THAN GAMES FROM 10 YEARS AGO

>>718833868
>performance fags
you enjoy poor performing software despite having latest hardware? what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>718833868
mentally ill troonfag hang yourself by the ballsack

>>718836896
>>718836905
>>718837027
poor fags who can't afford decent hardware seething

>>718837112
if youre bored just say so

>>718835419
>>the same engine that couldn't render more than 10 guards on screen
This is completely false. The only reason TPP was held back, is because it still had to run on a ps3 despite ps4 already being out. It has been a real detriment to the game. I'm playing TPP in 4k with infinite heaven sending in fucktons of soldiers at the same time and the engine handles it great at 100FPS (engine hardlock) with an ultra graphics mod running on top of that to fix the LOD's and shit. The engine is amazing, looks great and is stable as fuck. I don't even know what you are on about with the grass, it looks fine for it's age.
I never really stopped playing for long and I've seen mods evolve and making the most out of it over the years.

>>718833658 (OP)
>Everyone hypes fox engine
>Play MGS 5
>Everything looks like shit

Why do people keep sucking this thing's dick?

>>718833658 (OP)
>fox engine
wasnt this piece of shit hard to work with cus kojimbo kept telling his engineers to add features to it, generating high costs for konami

probably why they dont use it, was retardedly custom made for kojimbos core team which is gone now

>>718833658 (OP)
>even on lowest settings MGSV looks impressive
it really doesn't

>>718838150
Show me a better looking 10 year old game of somewhat the same scope.

>>718838202
NTA, but Rage 2. Game is shit, but looks miles better.

>>718838262
wait, rage 2 was 2019, my bad

>>718838312
For being released 4 years later it doesn't even look all that much better neither. Certainly looks fine with a decent artstyle but TPP really isn't far behind.

>>718833658 (OP)
>Fox Engine
>10 years old
>Only around 2 dozen Japanese employees over at Konami that were trained to use it. Most either left Konami or retired
>Why didn't they use it?
We've got an intellectual over here

>>718837901
Looks great

>>718838464
There's literally nothing special about it, fucking Snake's thumb was polygonal when he was looking at his tablet

>>718838624
Then why can't Delta look this good?

>>718838679
Delta does look good, it just runs like shit

>>718837112
There's no such thing as "decent" hardware when you're talking about UE5.

>>718838756
Looks extremely cheap

>>718838908
Delta is inline with Shinkawa designs. Sorry but MGSV always looked cringe with the forced realistic characters.

Unreal engine always looks cheap. Always performance issues too.

>>718839040
>Shinkawa designs
oh you're delusional

Fox Engine looks really great, and plays really well too. It, like Source, struggles with expansive stuff and is ideal for small crafted set pieces. Source having this "problem" is why Half Life 2, in some opinions, "egregiously" involves stretches of traveling through narrow hallways to new encounters rather than being open world. This isn't a problem, that's exactly how the Source engine should be used. Meanwhile, MGSV was forced to try copying Skyrim by execs despite Fox Engine being perfect for crafted encounters (like those you see in Ground Zeroes). Unfortunately we were stuck with horse riding and the occasional enemy tank to bridge the gaps because Fox Engine wasn't really designed for large scale stuff, or scoping scenarios from afar beforehand because the open-world design was forced upon an unsuitable engine. MGSV was shoehorned into it.

Death Stranding was a clever adaptation of this issue, where setpieces were designed around the Fox Engine but in between those set pieces you actually had traversal mechanics instead of just riding your horse and occasionally hiding on the side of it or allowing it to take a shit to make a vehicle spin-out. I'm not saying it was a great solution, because even on hard you could just traverse while holding L2 and R2. There was at least some passion here on Kojima's part to make an engine designed for sneaking into bases, and still make the transition to forced open-worlds interesting as you move between the bases.

I honestly think that even if you hate all stealth games and all of Kojima's work, you should respect the man for designing an engine built for infiltrating bases, adapting it to an open world format by force, and then creating an IP where the open world shit is a mechanic rather than a roadblock to his original vision.

>>718839040
Yeah GOD forbid that a game actually looks good, gives me the ICK every time when it's not a soulless UE5 models that look like plastic.

>>718836896
t. poorlack

>>718838908
Cool cherry pick, this was just some random shitty PS5 footage i found really quick. I'm certain PC looks even better

>>718833658 (OP)
Well you see, game development is handled 99% by humans using AI now.

AI has no idea how an in-house engine, like "Fox Engine" works.

AI however, has a large resource on the internet for how to use and program for Unreal Engine 5.

This just makes a development process in the current age much simpler.

>>718839136
Yes anon they owe his designs.

>>718833658 (OP)
>even on lowest settings MGSV looks impressive
wrong, it aged like milk especially during daytime

>>718838202
Witcher 3

do you think they will make use of their new power to render more than 12 npcs?

>>718839428
no because 12 people on screen is done for balancing purposes
if all enemies were rendered at the same time the average player would complain about being spotted from the edge of the base by guard 24

>>718833658 (OP)
>FoxEngine at their disposal
With not enough devs knowing how to use it.
>they go for fucking ue5
Because everybody knows how to use UE5
>100gb space requirement
Mgs v being released today on the fox engine would take the same mount. Modern consoles requires absurdly large textures.
>yeah not buying
Poorfags can't buy the game or pc/console anyway.

>>718839509
>complain about having to be stealthy in a stealth game

yeah i can see people get upset about it

>>718833658 (OP)
Realistically Delta has the opposite problem. It actually looks too good. Some of the goofier bosses give off a strange uncanny vibe that struggles with the duality of looking real but also acting so fucking cartoonish.

>>718839412
I can get behind that but release state w3 doesn't exactly blow it out of the water neither.

>>718839143
You do realize DS uses the Decima engine, right? And considering you can fill up TPP's lacklustre open world with infinite heaven patrol, vehicles and generally a lot more activity around the map, Fox engine really doesn't struggle with any of it at all.

>>718838624
It ran on fucking ps3 and 360 and ran like a dream on PC

>>718840042
I was not aware that DS was using Decima so I do concede defeat. I am still interesting in the topic overall though

Delta Volgin looks so fucking dumb

>>718838084
They managed to get Survive, PT and PES 2014-2021 out of it so it couldn't have been that bad

>>718835419
you dont know shit about game development.
The game doesnt render more than 10 guards because they programmed the game to be that way. It's not an engine limitation.

>>718840795
we went from Jack (Tekken) to Paul (Tekken)..

>>718840795
He literally looks like what I imagine one of the 28 U.S. Marines pulling up to ram ranch in black ford raptor trucks looks like

^^^^^ Imagine imagining that ^^^^^
Super duper gay faggot shit

why couldnt they just liscense the Decima engine used on horizon dawn if they dont wanna upgrade inhouse

>>718842358
newfag

^^^^^ super duper gay faggot ^^^^^

>100gb install
literally only because it packs in 4k texture assets with every install, even with the most inefficient engine out there if they had a reasonable download selection it wouldn't be a problem.

>>718842714
>t. one of the assualties of the US MARINE invasion

>>718838436
4chan treats engines like sports teams
my favourite is the best and always will be and will never become washed up

Still thinking about gay dudes... Sheeeeeeeeeesh

>>718843128
that nigga is literally gay though. The movie is extremely fruity as well.

I imagine this game will make the steam deck explode when launched.

MGS3 Delta isn't a game that runs like shit on 700$ Hardware. It's a game that runs like shit on 300$ Hardware sold for double what it's worth.

>>718839040
Yoji Shinkawa designed MGSV you retarded nigger

>>718845972
nigga the game has a 60fps lock
batman arkham knight got universally panned for having this same 60fps lock for ue3

>>718846845
Arkham Knights lock is 90 though SEAmonkey

why do UE5 devs refuse to pre-bake lighting even when the game is set in static environment?

do they genuinely believe that people are fine with extreme shimmering and ghosting artifacts?

>>718847916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXXucYt3YM

>>718847916
Underaged

>>718848903
and yet the graphics option is there, try not stealing games broke nigger

>>718840795
just goes to show you that effective artistic expression is not correlated to newer technology, new volgin is soulless

>>718849080
You ESL?

>>718849080
You're a stupid jit. Arkham launched with 60fps cap. It didn't get removed until much later. Like how Dark Souls launched with 30fps cap. it got memory holed because dsfix is shipped with steam/later versions.

>>718849080
RETARDED FAGGOT

i am so mad at konami for shelving the fox engine

fucking hell

>>718833868
Imagine being this fucking brown

>game I played 20 times is now exactly the same except 70 dollars and with ugly Unreal Engine graphics
WOOOOW OH MY GOD

Fox Engine is showing its age, I remember even when I first played TPP on release, small foliage looked pretty bad like grass or the small plants in the Africa map. Even in GZ, a lot of people noted that once it wasn't dark and rainy, it sometimes looked ugly. Character models were like a whole generation ahead though and even with those flaws, it was downright shocking how well the game ran on low hardware.
But it could have been developed into an incredible engine like what Rockstar did with Rage. Ugly ass brown GTA4 with the WORST blobby trees in video game history eventually developed into a graphical benchmark for RDR2 which is also now an old game.
Fox Engine could have been Konami's Rage. A good running, good looking, versatile game engine that Capcom can't even dream of with RE Engine.

>>718849761
Who cares it runs like a dream and looks good for what it is

>>718839040
true,kojmai s a loser and has a to big ego

>>718839040
>this UE5 remake is more faithful to Shinkawa than the game Shinkawa actually worked on
Retard

>>718833658 (OP)
MGSV runs on a fucking 360. Let that sink in.

>>718840236
>ugly game was able to run on shit hardware
WOW!

>>718851330
>ugly
actual retard

>>718839463
Brutal mog. How is a decade year old game that good looking?

>>718851762
MGSV played it smart.
It's a generally low poly count game, but it puts a lot of detail where it matters most, like faces or uniforms.

>>718833658 (OP)
The pachinko was more legitimate

>his voice actor is Brian Cummings
what the fuck?

>>718839463
>runs on ps3
>barely runs on ps5
The present state of game engineering in a nutshell.