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Anonymous No.718848082 >>718848172 >>718848264 >>718848490 >>718848703 >>718848743 >>718848752 >>718848865 >>718850048 >>718850517 >>718851343 >>718852251 >>718852472 >>718854342 >>718854446 >>718857498
This is the ultimate case of ambition exceeding budget and ability, isn't it?
Anonymous No.718848172 >>718848295 >>718848640 >>718852472
>>718848082 (OP)
Xenogears is one of the few PS1 JRPGs I haven't tried out
Anonymous No.718848224 >>718848640
There's nothing ambitious about Xenogears, NES games have more complex mechanics than that piece of trash.
Anonymous No.718848264 >>718848640
>>718848082 (OP)
None of the xeno games are even remotely good
Anonymous No.718848295 >>718848640
>>718848172
it's pretty good but extremely uneven and abridged. you can tell it coulda been a masterpiece but ended up kind of a mess.
Anonymous No.718848418 >>718856606
Well, because of Disc2, they actually stuck the landing.
A of shittier games would have made Disc 1 into Game 1, get cancelled or fail to materialize game 3 or game 4 because gameplay isn't strong enough.
Anonymous No.718848490
>>718848082 (OP)
Proto-Okami
Anonymous No.718848640 >>718850219
>>718848224
>>718848264
Please shut the fuck up.
>>718848295
It's a masterpiece regardless. The main story is complete. It only misses some character arcs like Billy, Rico or Maria
>>718848172
It's a unique experience, the gameplay didn't age well, but the story is worth it
Anonymous No.718848703 >>718860971
>>718848082 (OP)
*blocks your path*
Anonymous No.718848743
>>718848082 (OP)
Disc 2 has nothing to do with ability or budget, it was only a time constraint
Anonymous No.718848752
>>718848082 (OP)
>games women would never undersrand
Anonymous No.718848865 >>718849018
>>718848082 (OP)
>dude it’s NGE but EVEN CRAZIER
>typical coming of age shonen slop for the first 40 hours
Anonymous No.718849018
>>718848865
>main character destroys his village and kills his friends in the first hour of the game
>coming of age shonen slop
Anonymous No.718850048 >>718850381 >>718857741
>>718848082 (OP)
It's not really that ambitious. It just borrows a lot of pop culture and the way the spread the plot across multiple life times(most of which are only briefly mentioned) creates an illusion of a it having a much larger scope than what it actually has. The core of the plot is very simple.

Besides it's easy to be "ambitious". That's not something to be celebrated on it's own. Anyone can make a wishlist with a bunch of crazy stuff. Delivering is a different matter.

And I'm talking about the plot. The gameplay is for braindead vegetables.
Anonymous No.718850082 >>718851934 >>718852302
No, this is.
Anonymous No.718850219 >>718850381 >>718851385
>>718848640
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE MY DOGSHIT, UNFINISHED DAICON 3 MOVIEGAME
>IT'S AMBITIOUS BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY!?
Again, there's nothing ambitious about Xenogears or really any Xeno game
Anonymous No.718850381 >>718850745
>>718850048
It’s an ambition fully realized, not just a bunch of things they wanted to put in. Xenogears combines all those elements in a coherent and smart way, and that’s no small feat. And the fact that some moments have less screentime doesn’t take away from their importance in the story, the reason for the limited time is Disc 2, and everyone knows that.
>>718850219
Great argument. Also everyone knows it's unfinished, and despite that it's better than most "finished" games.
Anonymous No.718850517
>>718848082 (OP)
I need to replay it again.
Anonymous No.718850745 >>718851103 >>718851440
>>718850381
>Xenogears combines all those elements in a coherent and smart way
If you're 12 maybe.
Xenogears is a set of crudely put together setpieces that exist merely to make references to other material without having a single original thought put into that work, it's a long line of "HEY REMEMBER THAT THING FROM "X" OR "Y"???" with no actual effort into either gameplay or overarching narrative, let alone any effort into finishing the fucking "game" anyway because certainly, making a shitty arcade minigame in Nortune was more important that making Rico an actual character or the entirety of Disc 2.
The references are also wholly superficial in really bad taste which adds insult to injury, the only thing Xenogears did right was having Masato Kato troll Mitsuda and mentally scar him until the day he dies with the Chu Chu VS Achtzehn fight
Anonymous No.718851103 >>718851209
>>718850745
>no effort

Is this your only criticism? Hardly a strong argument mate. There's a reason Xenogears is regularly cited as one of the best JRPGs of its time. Get used to it bud.
Anonymous No.718851209
>>718851103
No, I have way more than that but I don't tend to waste words on the terminally deluded.
>There's a reason Xenogears is regularly cited as one of the best JRPGs of its time.
By who exactly?
And why should I care about the ramblings of the uneducated anyway?
Anonymous No.718851343
>>718848082 (OP)
Game so good it made me want to run out into the streets and bludgeon Xenoblade fans with a hammer for playing an abortion of what it was supposed to be
Anonymous No.718851385 >>718851515 >>718851717 >>718852031 >>718852078 >>718852637 >>718854656
>>718850219
>there's nothing ambitious about a story spanning six episodes, two discs, sixty hours, over 30 minutes of animated cutscenes, a combat system with 9 characters and over 76 unique attack animations, a combo system, multiple hidden stats, a mecha system with entirely separate character progression mechanics - You seem to be a retard that is conflating ambition with quality. A thing can be ambitious without being good.

Unfortunately for brown NIGGERS like you Xenogears is both ambitious and good, even if it isn't complete. No, you know what? Fuck you and fuck the redditor plebeians who constantly regurgitate the "ermmm xenogears is unfinished disc 2 sucks actually it's a visual novel" mother fucker the incomplete status is part of WHY Xenogears is so fucking unique and awesome. I am not cowing to faggots anymore. You passionless, inept, anti-joy freakshit fuck. Morons deserve no space at the table, and morons with bad taste don't deserve a cogent argument. You're just shit. I will never reply to you again or read any of your posts. Fuck off forever - You have been banished, and your posts are cursed to only be seen by FAGGOTS for the rest of time. That is your cross to carry. May you crumple under its weight, you middling tit.
Anonymous No.718851440 >>718852637
>>718850745
You’re throwing out a bunch of subjective opinions without really backing anything up.
You just pointed out stuff everyone already knows, Disc 2 being unfinished, some side characters like Rico not developed, gameplay that doesn’t land for a lot of people, and Disc 1 having some filler.
But they couldn’t have known from the start that they’d run out of time, they were still writing the story while the game was being made, probably underestimating how long it would take to finish.
I haven’t seen a real explanation for why any of that makes the game not ambitious or valuable.
Cool story tho.
Anonymous No.718851515
>>718851385
TRVTHNVKE
Anonymous No.718851717
>>718851385
Easily one of the top ten posts in the last six months. People should stop pretending to give dipshit assposters the time of day and meet hostility with vitriolic rejection. It's all they deserve.
Anonymous No.718851795
I played it for the 1st time about 2 years ago and it was amazing
Anonymous No.718851934 >>718852976 >>718853736
>>718850082
>Really weird game with a unique atmosphere
>Make a sequel that's just Final Fantasy 7
Like what the fuck were they thinking
Anonymous No.718851937
It is usurped only by FFVersus. The game that could have changed the fate of the genre and the industry itself, yet Square dropped the ball on assisting Nomura to complete it.
Honorable mentions to the Shenmue series, FF12, and Mighty No.9.
Anonymous No.718852031
>>718851385
Based. Xenogears 'unfinished' is still more game than 99 percent of shit out there.
Anonymous No.718852078
>>718851385
Brilliant
Anonymous No.718852251
>>718848082 (OP)
It's a notable one, but the crown goes to Star Citizen right?
Anonymous No.718852302
>>718850082
That game at least concludes.
Anonymous No.718852409
Nice that XG’ flaws are so obvious no one can larp like pointing them out is some brave, unpopular opinion. Everyone gets it, fans included
Anonymous No.718852472
>>718848082 (OP)
just like the fake bankruptcy of Square the Xenogears directors said the game was always intended to be that way. it wasn't unfinished or rushed.

>>718848172
then do yourself a favor and never play it because once you get to the middle point and the game just stops and becomes a wall of text the disappointment will make your soul feel heavier.
Anonymous No.718852637 >>718852836 >>718853106 >>718853175 >>718854460
>>718851385
>a story spanning six episodes,
Of which they made barely half of one of those and then proceeded to make three equally unfinished and poorly made offbrands sequel with the Xenosaga games, what's good about this exactly? This is just poor management and planning.
>two discs
One and a half more like, why is having multiple discs, one of which is barely there really, somehow better than just one?
>sixty hours
50 of which are wasted on dogshit cutscenes and dialogues on rails, again, why is this good?
>over 30 minutes of animated cutscenes
None of which are anything to write home about, I play RPGs for the roleplaying, not the shitty anime cutscenes
>a combat system with 9 characters and over 76 unique attack animations
Which is somehow more rudimentary than a NES game, not to mention there's just two good characters out of 9, Fei and Citan, and Citan is monstrously unbalanced to the point of making everyone else irrelevant
>a combo system
There's no combo system, this isn't Valkyrie Profile, it's just overly long canned animations for basic attacks
>multiple hidden stats
None of which matter because the game is so poorly designed you just mash triangle until your PP gauge is full so you can unload your strongest Deathblow, who the fuck cares about things like your character weight?
You'd also whine about hidden mechanics if any other game did it.
>a mecha system with entirely separate character progression mechanics
What separated character progression mechanics? Your Ether skills are fully tied to the characters' basic levels and so are your mech deathblows.
Other than that you just buy the strongest mech parts available and call it a day without any thought on actual choices or possible builds, it's a straight line of linear upgrades that makes FF1 look like a masterpiece.
>>718851440
None of my criticism is subjective which is why Xenogears and Xeno as a whole are jokes.
Anonymous No.718852836 >>718853116
>>718852637
I accept your concession.
>Of which they made barely half of one of those
XG contains episode II, III, IV and V, we only miss I and VI, just saying
Anonymous No.718852976
>>718851934
I take it you haven't played it then since Overblood 2 isn't even an RPG. The first level provides the player the freedom of multiple options to reach the mission objective which was extremely ambitious at the time. Unfortunately after this flash of brilliance, they must heave realised they would never finish the game in time and the rest is mostly linear.
Anonymous No.718853106
>>718852637
you got washed, bro
Anonymous No.718853116
>>718852836
>t...that doesn't count
Good to see Xenogears fans are just as schizophrenic and in denial as their game's main character, at least you do walk the talk
Anonymous No.718853175 >>718853403
>>718852637
lmao immediately concedes the point about how he's arguing quality vs ambition when the original argument you were making was that xenogears isn't ambitious
Anonymous No.718853403 >>718853483
>>718853175
Making a shitty movie is with some extremely poorly and archaic battle system is ambitious now?
News to me, do you also believe Xenogears was special for having "hidden stats" when it was the norm for the time and even now?
Anonymous No.718853483 >>718854053
>>718853403
What's shitty about it? Genuine question
Anonymous No.718853736 >>718855346
>>718851934
>really weird game with unique atmosphere
Waking up in a semi-abandoned lab with memory loss and a bunch of experimental body modifications isn't unique.

Bioforge is especially similar to it.
Anonymous No.718854053
>>718853483
What's not shitty about it?
The combat is mash triangle to win, the character building is not there at all, the story is a collection of tropes, characters and moment from old anime with not a single original thought put into it, the game's a linear slog with zero player freedom or choices and to make it even worse it's also ridiculously unfinished despite being incredibly low effort on any front that isn't graphics.
Why should I play this when barely even one year before it games like Fallout or SaGa Frontier 1 came out? SaGa Frontier 1 even has mechs and way better mechanics tied to those, not to mention actual combos, an enormous cast of recruitable etc. FO1 might have boring combat but at least it gives me freedom and choices, and actual character building.
What does Xenogears offer to the average RPG fan that isn't a bunch of cheap ripoffs from mecha anime?
And even if I didn't care about the RPG part and were interested purely in the mecha niche in particular, you had Front Mission 2 and the first Armored Core one year earlier.
What does Xenogears give me, a mecha fan, that FM2 or Armored Core don't? Certainly not the gameplay quality of either of those, or the writing and characters of FM2.
Anonymous No.718854342 >>718854595
>>718848082 (OP)
It blows my mind that theres still not a single JRPG with the same story depth of Xenogears, and that somehow some people play it and apparently dont understand how peak the story is? Every time I see Suikoden 2 at the top of a best PS1 RPG list I feel like I am living in a simulation full of NPCs.
Anonymous No.718854446
>>718848082 (OP)
At least the game got made. Now Beyond Good and Evil 2 on the other hand...
Anonymous No.718854460 >>718854707
>>718852637
>"I play RPGs for the role playing"
>Manages character stats by buying the most face value crap without thinking about how the effect the battles and mashing Triangle through everything.

This is Sad
Anonymous No.718854595 >>718854940
>>718854342
most rpgs kinda suck at stories due to the fact that it's a videogame so the story needs to be built around the game factor. xenogears is basically a visual novel by the end of it so it gets away with it, people shit on disc 2 a lot for being unfinished but honestly the game is kind of better for it.
Anonymous No.718854656
>>718851385
>BTFO'd anon so hard even his book-length answer was clowned on
based
Anonymous No.718854707 >>718855323 >>718856016
>>718854460
You can't manage character stats in Xenogears so your argument is already invalidated.
Also there's no depth to the combat which is why mashing triangle is the only "strategy" there is to the game, especially since deathblows are, again, a linear ladder of upgrades and there's no reason to ever use anything but your newest, strongest deathblow.
Anonymous No.718854940 >>718855273
>>718854595
isn't that the main difference between Xenogears and Xenosaga? I haven't played XS yet, but from what I understand, in XG they cut the gameplay to preserve the story, while in XS they cut/changed the story to preserve the gameplay.
Anonymous No.718855273
>>718854940
Not really, it's more like Xenosaga was even more ambitious than Xenogears and nigga really thought he would get like 6 games to tell the story and so barely anything happens in the first two games, but after Xenosaga 2 didn't so hot, they realized they would not be getting 6 games and crammed everything of importance into XS3
Anonymous No.718855323 >>718855690
>>718854707
part of roleplay for piloting a mech is the dumbasses just buy the most expensive items and assume they understand everything already and wonder why the game is so tedius and the combat takes forever.

next time pay attention to what the equipment is actually doing
Anonymous No.718855346
>>718853736
Bioforge doesn't have Pipo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn9oDSakgfU
Anonymous No.718855690
>>718855323
Where exactly did I say the combat takes forever?
You think the select handful of fights that force you to use basic bitch gear with elemental resistence is big brain gameplay? Get real and take your meds.
Anonymous No.718856016
>>718854707
>Using your strongest ability over and over again in a JRPG
We must be living in a fantasy world
Anonymous No.718856169
Why does this hit so hard every time?
https://youtu.be/ewqzzCXgj6E
Anonymous No.718856606 >>718856774 >>718856883 >>718858102 >>718860249
>>718848418
Maybe I'm just a pussy but I'd never have the courage to buy a book with a cover like that. Especially if the cashier was a woman.
Anonymous No.718856774 >>718856921
>>718856606
But that's artistic nudity, not pornography
Anonymous No.718856883
>>718856606
Imagine caring what women think
Anonymous No.718856921
>>718856774
To outsiders, it looks like a naked anime lady with her tits out. Nobody is going to confuse it for Ingres or Rubens, that's for sure.
Anonymous No.718857371
Why do we have arrangement albums, an orchestral album and a concert for Xenogears but none of those for Xenoblade
Anonymous No.718857498 >>718857621
>>718848082 (OP)
Developpement got fucked by Square.
Anonymous No.718857621
>>718857498
But thinking about it, other studios probably wouldn’t have even funded it or given the team full creative freedom. Gotta give them credit for that
Anonymous No.718857741
>>718850048
>The gameplay is for braindead vegetables.
It is a JRPG, yeah.
Anonymous No.718858102
>>718856606
I buy books online and don't give a shit lol
Anonymous No.718860249
>>718856606
>Female cashier
Look her dead in the eyes and lick your lips to assert dominance
Anonymous No.718860971
>>718848703
Obsidian being a sack of shit company that never finishes their games was never worse than this