Thread 718851585

>$80 mil budget
>less content than MG2

You’re supposed to be entertained by playing the same scripted missions repeatedly

rescuing prisoner number 32994 and extract container #8 are my favorite metal gear missions of all time. Truly iconic.

crybaby

80 mil is actually incredibly modest for such a big game, especially since they were making a game engine alongside it, GTAV was like 250 mil at least

>>718851585 (OP)
This is the MG game with the highest daily player count. No one has a problem with the amount of content that it has compared to other games in the series.

MGSV is the perfect hylic test. Soulless husks will bitch and moan that the game doesn't have enough set pieces or cool cutscenes or plot twists while real pneumatics know that a game with good systems/gameplay and little content is always infinitely more fun than the opposite. I pity you people, really.

>less content
???
Where's the extra content from mgs2?

>Fulton
>Fulton
>Fulton
I AM SPORTS ENTERTAINED!

>>718852153
Don't forget the critical acclaimed mine clearing missions all 10 of them

no other game lets me run around kidnapping russians with Quiet humming in one ear while Invincible plays in the other.
Best game in the series.

>>718852432
I'd guess he's only played* a Substance version and doesn't know.

*More likely watched a YouTube video about

>>718851585 (OP)
They made a game engine and MGSV for 80mil? That's impressive. Most games are 200mil and far worse.

>>718852560
I hate the fulton system so much, but not nearly as much as the "wait 5 hours or pay $5 USD to speed up base development!" mobile game shit the game had.
The Phantom Pain is a travesty from start to finish.

>>718851585 (OP)
>MG2
The NES game? Bullshit.

>>718851585 (OP)
>kojima is told he can spend his 40 million or whatever on his waifu but can't be involved with the game after mission 2 but can write the story
>the game is the only fucking video game in the MGS series and not a movie
>MGS 'video game' fans bitch it's not a movie

So often this happens. It's the only game he ever made

>>718855636
A game with no gameplay and no story isn't anything at all.
"Make your own fun!" is not an acceptable way to make a game.

>>718855835
>Implying the vast majority of the most popular games of all time aren't sandbox games
Retard

>>718855835
MGSV actually has the most gameplay out of all the movies he tried to make, anon

>>718856196
It’s crazy that it has the same amount of cutscenes as the OG trilogy but more gameplay than all of them combined

>>718856196
It’s not good. TPP gameplay has no depth to it. AI is horrible, the light sources don’t matter and the environment lacks interactivity. I went back and played both versions of MG2 on NES/MSX and the FIRST fucking thing i notice is they have spotlights and there actually is a consequence to being caught. And then when you walk on sand or metallic surfaces it creates noise that alerts enemies. In MGSV spotlights dont even matter and sound doesn’t matter. All that matters is that you are at an X amount of distance away from the enemy so he doesn’t see you. And there’s a severe lack of barricades to hide beneath, which is ridiculous because Ground Zeroes had a ton of it.

>>718851585 (OP)
>>less content than MG2
Metal Gear 2 literally lasts less than MGSV's first mission, retard

>>718857145
Furthermore the ONLY explanation to why the game feels so hollow is because it was Kojima’s intention with the “phantom pain” theme. Yes, he intentionally made the game worse on purpose to prove a point.

>>718852403
sorry the game fucking sucks, plenty of fun things in the game but I dont like monster hunter xp grinding that was in portable ops/peace walker and I dont like it here. Also the bosses are fucking boring if you can call any of them "bosses"

The game can have all the interesting mechanics but if the gameplay loop itself is fucking shit then why bother playing the game

>>718857265
In MG2 the security cameras actually mattered. V, it doesn’t.

>>718851585 (OP)
Sounds like a (You) problem.
Personally I'm a blast haver, best MGS by far

>>718856196
>most gameplay
game mechanics =/= gameplay

MGSV is the only good MGS, the rest are all shitty movies with terrible plots written by someone who has no clue about how military life works.

>>718857542
I kneel
I did everything for the 100% on the main menu, but I didn't feel like dipping my toes into invading actual player bases for the research since it'd open me up for retaliation

>>718857906
Try mods, Infinite Heaven and the Camp Omega one are pretty good.

>>718851585 (OP)
>less content
You children are genuinely retarded.

>>718853636
You can only pay for overpowered online shit you don't need.

>>718858136
Is that Raiden?

>>718858207
Nope, just some random female recruit

>>718858324
...can I squeeze her hog?

>>718852403
>this is the kind of people that love bloated shit like roguelike and open world ""radiant quest"" slop because of muh unlimited replayability
I wish faggots with subhuman tastes like yours would die out already.

>>718852403
Who you callin' pneumatic?

>>718858615
why would that matter to you? you "play" games on youtube

>>718851585 (OP)
>MG2
but does it have this? i don't think so

>>718859176
It has ROB SCHNEIDER

Blame kojima who defrauded half the game budget to meet with celebrities.

>>718853636
mod the game

>>718852560
>tranq+fulton fag
>WHY AM I NOT ENTERTAINED?????

>>718859794
This. Always go lethal. Never fulton anybody.
That's the real way to play MGSV.

>>718859794
>tranq+fulton fag
i had fun doing that, kidnappin one by one until the outpost is empty, even better if no one notices it

But next time im doing lethal one, saw videos of those on youtube and you can do crazy shit in this game

>>718859835
Lethal guns just feel better to shoot, only stun shotgun compares because it's a shotgun.

Do mods actually add more content to the game or is it cosmetic bullshit.

new missions? new story stuff? if not, its superficial.
MGSV looks great already, what it needs is substance...

for gods sake, create a MG1/2 mod, recreate the MSX games, new locations, a sex mod... Add some meat to this pathetic nothing burger of empty deserts

>>718860282
go and make one then

>>718860282
>sex mod
sex with kaz

>>718860453
who's gonna tell him

>>718851585 (OP)
how fucking cheap is konami that they fired kojima over 80 million when most similarly large games were double that lol

>>718860615
It was the most expensive japo game in 2015, he killed the pm to make death stranding

>>718860229
Nah, most of the time when I go lethal I just use the starting AK because of the cheap 70 GMP deployment cost
Even customized as much as possible it still feels like ass because of the shaky iron sights

Oldheads will know that kojima planned on including a level/mission creation suite inside the game that allowed users to share missions, this would have at least increased replay value quite a bit.

The core mechanics of MGSV are so good that if Konami has anyone competent enough to work with it, that they could just release drip-fed mission packs.

>>718858583
no

>>718860849
Yeah, he planned a bunch of other things. Such as more missions, customizable Mother Base, etc. Hmm, I wonder what happened. The final product actually has less features than what they showed off in videos.

>>718860615
what if they didn't fire him and he left on his own for reasons we will probably never know

>>718861007
That's basically what Hitman did, even though they've moved on to their next project they're still putting out new missions DLC every six months ago for a game that for all intents and purposes came out 10 years ago

Objectively false. Neck yourself.

>>718861007
>if Konami has anyone competent enough to work with it,
Given the 3 remake is in UE5 I think they gave up on the whole engine.

>>718859449
The only bad thing about MG2 is mandating you push two different inputs to crawl. I understand why that is, but it's very annoying.

>>718861176
>features get cut during development
you're blowing my mind anon, stop

>>718861176
Also playable Battle Gear.

>>718861301
>13 hours
10 of those are calls and cutscenes btw

>>718861176
You mean development gets cut. It's not a secret the game is unfinished, everything about it feels barebones.

>>718861176
It was severely limited by the fact that it was on the 360/PS3.

>>718861445
Considering several Kojipro members, including Kojima, said the Battle Gear was cut due to being too OP, I think it was a victom of the PS360 ports.
Having to run on 7th gen meant they couldn't populate the world too much, meaning no convoys, and as such no worthy threats for the BG which apparently it was, not just the fastest vehicle in the game, but the railgun could one-shot tanks.

>>718861451
No, it's not Death Stranding. MGS2 is the greatest video game of all time.

>>718861753
DS has like 2 hours of cutscenes at the start and the end, it's really dry in the middle like when you go round and round on big shell deliveri- defusing bombs

>>718851585 (OP)
>80 million budget
>lasts about 40 hours
>came with a brand new engine that could have saved a lot of costs if Konami didn't skip the 8th gen

>meanwhile Bioshock Infinite
>12 hours long
>linear FPS
>uses a licensed engine
>150 million budget

I'll never understand why people go on sbout MGSV's budget as if it was high.
MGS4 cost just 10 million less almost a decade prior and that game fizzled out after Act 2, not to mention most of it was cutscenes.

>>718861445
It was weird how they still left the cutscene hyping up the battle gear
all that excitement-building just for a wet fart of a feature

>>718862149
You get to use it in dispatch missions like zeke in piss walker

>>718862104
At least compare it to a game that came out the same year
>runs on a proprietary engine
>can cartwheel for 400 hours and have secks

>>718862282
Yeah and in PW you could fully customize and fight against your own Zeke despite it being a fucking PSP game
TPP was a such a let down

>>718862282
You get to use it in literally one dispatch mission and cannot use it again after that

>>718852403
Wish it had more unique structures to sneak around. it was a good dlc oprotunity. unironically sell shit like the base from ground zeros or the last mission base. those were the funnest places to screw around in.
>>718852153
I liked watching a minute of helicopter into whenever you dropped anywhere.
>>718851585 (OP)
Action stealth was a kino way to play, unfortunately kojimbob penalizes you for playing anything but total stealth sleep everyone core. Put a claymore 20 paces away get all the gaurds over there when it activates, and place a dummie somewhere else, that kind of shit.

>>718862493
You can't fight it because you're not a metal gear, dummy. But PW also didn't let me nuke russia, china and america so zeke was a fluke

>>718862608
>it was a good dlc oprotunity.
AFRICAN ORPHINAGE DLC (airstrikes disabled for this mission)

The fact is that he spent several months and a portion of the game's budget to make PT behind the backs of Konami's leads was what lead to content to be cut to make the 2015 deadline and prompting his demotion into a contract worker.
Scream all you want but the signs and clues are there. The guy got bored of Metal Gear during development and because of his prior position he thought he could get away with wasting resources from V then got a rude awakening when the rest of the company wasn't on board after coming back from their annual fiscal report in april.

>>718863024
Konami published PT. They knew all about it and greenlit it.
Stop spreading this lie. They fired Kojima because he was an egotistical ass who's hard to work with.

>>718863337
>They knew all about it and greenlit it.
Yeah no shit, and then changed their minds when they learned how PT came to be and how much Kojima was willing to spend on the development (could have been around that of Death Stranding since that game is basically PT without the Silent Hill licence). At the time the rest of Konami were trying to push away from expensive video games and more live service mobile slop so the fiscal year report for 2014 not looking that great (especially with Ground Zeroes not selling as much as Konami would have hoped), Kojima not only having spent so much on TPP and planning on doing it again for Silent Hills it's pretty easy to see why they fired him and canned the project.

>>718863024
>>718863337
>>718863745
Why the fuck does /v/ keep making shit up when the reason they fired him is the same they fired most of Kojipro: Konami wanted to focus on phone games and Kojima disagreed.
I swear the past decade of MGSfags in /v/ has been nothing but projecting what they think of Kojima on Konami.
I just have no idea what MGS has to cause this kind of psychotic fanaticism. Its a series of games with shit gameplay and even worse story that stood out in no way beyond graphics.

>>718863745
And this is when I ask for a source and you stop replying, like pretty much every claim /v/ makes about MGSV's budget.

You are just asshurt that MGSV wasn't a gameplay-less movie about Big Boss killing kids.

>>718864534
Metal Gearfags are a bunch of mentally ill millennial schizophrenics who took Kojima as their father figure, and then he betrayed by doing the worst thing you can do to millennial "gamers": putting emphasis on gameplay ahead of plot.
These are the same people who spam Deltarune threads.

>>718864631
>And this is when I ask for a source and
Show me the post you schizo

>>718863337
>remnants of Kojipro at Konami said that working with him again would be a dream come true
>changed the ending of MGS4 on the demand of his staff
>has an idea box for people who are afraid to speak up
>said he enjoys Shinkawa challenging him creatively and outright ignoring his orders
>watches movies with his staff to be on the same wave-length creatively
>the director of Fox Engine said that he has impressive technical knowledge and accurately predicts what the game will look like before anyone else
>was humble enough to be saved by his fans after getting fired, even going as far as taking a loan from one of them
>Guerilla gave him their engine and staff to help. They refuse to do that for anyone else.
>Recognized his own failure with MGR and handed it off to Platinum. Had nothing but praise for the final product.
>Everyone says that he’s very chill to work with and that he’s a nice guy. Carpenter who could have destroyed his career refused to do so after speaking to him.

Kojima is a good person. People who spoke off him negatively like Agness Kaku just come off as jealous assholes.

>>718864853
What post? Its the same shit in every MGS thread for a decade now.
You fags have spent an entire fucking decade seething because MGSV wasn't a movie.
There's a reason this entire franchise has been forgotten aside from MGSV and MGR.

>>718851585 (OP)
god the fucking 2013 trailer made it seem like you were about to go on a massive journey across Afghanistan on horseback. It really became mission menu slop by the end of the game. So much wasted potential.

>>718866442
Go back to your movie game, horsefucker

>>718851585 (OP)
it was 110 retard

>>718851585 (OP)
MG2 is a 6 hour MSX2 game. MGSV is a 45 hour game with over 100 hours of content, even longer if we count Ground Zeroes

>>718868117
>even longer if we count Ground Zeroes
101 hours?

>>718868656
GZ had at least 30 hours of content.

>>718868998
It takes literally less than 30 minutes to 100%. It's a complete scam.

>>718869335
>he found all the XOF badges and did all the hidden side mission in thirty minutes

>>718869467
I don't give a fuck about that shit. I completed the demo mission in under 30 minutes. Anything else is extra.

>>718869335
It has 7 missions, rankings, several weapons, collectibles, skins, and trials to complete. It isn't taking 30 minutes

>>718859835
only way to play mgsv is with a non silenced pistol and as little kills as possible

>>718852403
A game still needs good set pieces to make use of all its mechanics. It you can't create set pieces which encourage their use you've simply failed as a game dev.

>>718860282
i remember a mod that added the camp omega from ground zeroes to the phantom pain, although it was pretty janky, it's been a few years so maybe it's better now.

>>718869707
you control the buttons that you press

>>718860282
It's impossible. The Fox Engine cannot be modded like that.
Just wait for the UE8 Remake in 20 more years.

>>718869892
Yeah and running around in Asscreeds loading screens isn't as fun as using its mechanics in an environment meant for them. That's what MGS V is, lots of boring emptiness.

>>718866442
it was like that for me. MGSV was such a fucking experience, it has an air around it i cannot explain. It made me feel like a kid again, planning every attack, counting enemies, avoiding certain places. God that shit was so cool. I pirated it then bought it and 100% it again multiple times

>>718852403
This is correct, but MGS is a game that the worst kind of consolekiddie millennials grew up on and they deify shitty railroaded "cinematic experiences" over actual video games.

>>718860282
can't
no one knows how to work the fox engine and afaik every community attempt to decrypt files and unpack the game has ended in failure
best you can do is edit memory addresses and point to different assets in scripts
its not impossible, no game is impossible to mod
its just enough of a colassal pain in the the ass that no one who puts value to their time wants to
it'd take years yet as a solo project just to get something like the game to agree to ATTEMPT to load something like a new map

>>718868998
Make it double

>>718870347
The game just appeals to certain people

>>718870140
No MGS:Favela for you, cabron

>>718862638
holy ESL

I am him
and he is me

>>718869551
so that's not 100%

>>718860849
There is so much shit that could have been included to increase replay value. Level creation, a randomizer, the return of Portable Ops Infinity Mission mode

>>718871571
It just needed hard mode like in GZ, they had some with those challenges but there's not enough of them. randomizers are for trannies.

>>718851585 (OP)
Konami fired him too late, honestly.

>>718871840
>It just needed hard mode like in GZ
unironically there's remaining code for a subsistence modifier on every mission, not just for two

>>718852403
trVke
it's actually incredible how many of these people fail a test done in game by design. Prey and MGSV were the last good AAA games desu

game could have had more heterosexual anal sex

>>718873060
>Prey
My nigga!

>>718857548
Mechanics that the game lets you use are gameplay. Scripted setpieces are not gameplay.

>>718870347
I'm replaying it again this year with no HUD just for maximum immersion.

>>718876043
i want to touch you