Thread 718871048

whats the next big mmo

>>718871048 (OP)
tory cunt

>>718871048 (OP)
OSRS, WoW, and XIV. Those are your options. No other mmo will ever release that will overtake these 3 long term. You might get your temporary bubble mmos like Lost Ark a couple years back, but that ended up flopping hard as well.

New MMOs usually die in their first year. OSRS is currently "the next big MMO".

ROBLOX

>>718871048 (OP)
>mmo
its over old man let it go

>>718871048 (OP)
The literal only hope for the MMO genre's future is the Riot MMO, which may or may not be in permanent development hell.
Everything they make is a hit, they have almost two decades of lore and stories to anchor on to, incredible talent, and limitless funds.

Until then it's just the current titans, all older than the average gamer.
>OSRS (2004/2007/2013 (however the hell you want to classify it))
>WoW (2004)
>FFXIV (2010)
The ten other MMOs in development right now will all flop and be horrendous pieces of shit.

Guild Wars 3. From the brilliant developers who brought you Guild Wars 2!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTiwKvp348

>>718872625
Riot MMO is dead. Same with the fightan game.
Roblox\Gacha killed all MMOs.

>>718872750
>Riot MMO is dead.
Don't kill the slight glimmer of hope I still have for this godforsaken genre, please
Let me pretend there's a chance

MMOs gain popularity over time. The next big MMO already exists and you can play it right now.

>>718872750
When you consider the outcome for a typical MMO, it seems like the functional purpose of the mode MMO development team is not to deliver a game to market, but rather to convert investor funds into food, housing, and student debt repayment for software engineers and middle managers.

none that exist right now, and none currently on the known horizon.
OSRS may be a retirement MMO for many, but it's at the late-stage death-cycle of online games, so its "future" is asterisked.
Ashes is already DOA
SEA/chink MMOs have no real shelf-life outside their native regions.

>>718873727
>OSRS may be a retirement MMO for many, but it's at the late-stage death-cycle of online games
isn't it continuing to set player count records?

>>718873851
mostly bots

>>718873727
>>718873851
Yeah it's setting new playercount records every week, it's going through another renaissance for some reason. Mostly WoW streamers jumping onto the bandwagon (probably for a few months, cowards won't be grind out any real 99s).

Before it's said, yes, there's a shitload of bots. But there's still a notable player growth.

>>718871048 (OP)
>whats the next big mmo
A final fantasy one. I'm sure it will happen again, someday.

>>718871048 (OP)
PSST.... Hey OP
Fallout 77 is coming really soon as an update to Fallout 76 and you should buy it

>>718874127
I don't believe your lies

>>718873851
refugees and streamer FOMO set short-term records, yes. But anyone that plays OSRS knows it has fundamental problems.
>rampant botting that jagex is all but complicit to because of the profits
>sweatscape which means no one talks, so there's no real difference between bots and real players
>steady casualization of xp grinding
>end-game power/item creep / vertical progression
>hard end-game PvM/bossing focus + reaching the upper hard-limits of the combat system
>iron man playerbase fragmentation
Runescape survived despite the odds, but the odds have been getting substantially worse.

>>718874070
I genuinely hope so. It bums me out that the XIV was made for the fucking PS3 (literally ~2003 tech), it really shows in the lower level areas.
Like how every "zone" is separated by load screens, is tiny, and full of invisible walls.

Dunno. Probably OSRS right now in terms of weighted rating.
I personally have been getting into maplestory. It's... going alright. I'm honestly surprised since I expected a lot worse, but bosses are fun. Progressing to the next one or the next difficulty as a solo player gives a nice sense of accomplishment even without stupid rare boss items dropping.
I think my only major gripe is the need to grind mobs for hours and the skullfucking upgrade system they have in place. Cubing sucks, starforce sucks. I feel ashamed that I have to humor it and get a feeling of relief and dopamine when I get a good hit with gear upgrading.
Anyway, we'll likely never get a good new mmo. I think at this point the ever aging player bases just settle into whichever game they find most comfort in.

>>718872312
I've only lightly dabbled in WoW (always got to level cap and got bored); why is OSRS coming back?

ETERSPIRE , BABY!

>>718874270
>Like how every "zone" is separated by load screens, is tiny, and full of invisible walls.
what sucks is that the cities used to be fully open without loading screens back in 1.0
i'd love a patch that removes the loading screens from the starting cities. our machines and consoles can handle it.

>>718871048 (OP)
the next big MMO will be a VR game in the vein of .hack, SOA or Ready Player One

>>718871048 (OP)
Does anyone remember that year, i think it was between 2020 and 2025, where for no fucking apparent reason a bunch of corpos tried releassing fantasy MMOS just for all of them to die on the spot? It was weird as fuck because it was not even a trend like Hero Shooters or Battle Royale, companies like Amazon, D&D and several just "decided" that this was what people wanted

>>718874258
>playerbase fragmentation
>sweatscape which means no one talks
There's been massive efforts recently to improve socialization in this otherwise notoriously solitary "MMO"

>Royal Titans boss
>Yama boss
>raids
>group ironman
>forestry means that sharing trees for woodcutting is no longer griefing
>shooting stars, gem crab, other group activities
In regards to some of your other points, most new gear continues to be side-grades rather than straight upgrades (and upgrades require the previous gear to upgrade, rather than straight replacing it), and endgame content continues to get more challenging.

>>718874214
But anon...
You should believe everything I say
Especially since your steam account will be confiscated by yours truly

>>718874389
people remembered why it was good

>>718872625
Ashes of Creation is also in beta hell. Basically it's nigh impossible and ridic expensive to launch a new MMO by today's standars. There's an expectation it needs to have a shitton of content AND cater to a community AND be ready for constant new content AND look good.
All the ones you've mentioned started initially with very little and has built up over time. That can't happen nowadays because shareholders will be expecting big massive profit from the getgo.

>>718874580
New World, Lost Ark, and what else am I forgetting? Ashes of Creation? But that never launched.

>>718874580
People think they want new MMOs. They think they want that next big thing. WoW 2. FFXVII. Guild Wars 3. The companies responded to that. But what people really want is the same MMO, but magically revitalized. They want the old to feel new again without feeling like things have changed.

>>718874258
>sweatscape which means no one talks, so there's no real difference between bots and real players
thats actually why i can't play modern osrs anymore desu. i played original runescape (i guess it's called runescape classic now?) from like 2002 and played for years after and the most fun was just chatting shit with people and making friends while fishing or cutting yews or whatever
i don't blame the grand exchange cause it's a huge QOL feature but back then having to go to the forums to find people to trade with, or sit in varrock spamming til you found a buyer or seller, those were good times and created a community
real problem is modern gamers don't want to chat in MMOs which is sad but at least we had the good times back in the day to remember

>>718874680
FUCK YOU TODD
YOU CAIN'T DO SHIT

>>718874684
Ashes falls firmly in the "guaranteed to flop and be a piece of shit" territory

>look at a screenshot of this innovative upcoming MMO
>"Quest journal: Kill Goblins: 0/10"
Same old shit with a fancy coat of paint

>>718871048 (OP)
VRchat, SecondLife, and Roblox! See you there!

>>718874585
>most new gear continues to be side-grades rather than straight upgrades (and upgrades require the previous gear to upgrade, rather than straight replacing it), and endgame content continues to get more challenging
The problem is they keep releasing new BIS too frequently, and the next boss/raid always has to be "better", so the combined power creep from every aspect adds up to end-game just being completely FUBAR'd.
That's why every boss is now more of a tile-rhythm game than an actual fight.

>>718871048 (OP)
I randomly founs JSH 2 years ago. He makes some alright videos but God I wish he would quit working out while playing a game. The Dark Swoles series is unwatchable.

>>718871048 (OP)
Some sort of VR garbage you're forced to participate in. Like Ready Player 1, but somehow worse.

Dofus retro if you don't give a fuck about erp

>>718875118
Never seen a man become a self-fart sniffer so fast.

>AoC's first alpha was 8 years ago
>it's still not even in beta
paypigs are unreal

Maybe Monster & Memories? There's gonna be another stress test next month

>>718874896
>sit in varrock spamming til you found a buyer or seller, those were good times
People said this when OSRS came out, but they all very quickly realized that it's fucking SHIT in current year.

Nobody has time for that now, people don't want to spend 3 hours selling their lobsters and buying some more potions. They want to play the game. The playerbase unanimously went from "no GE, reee" to "maybe something like the GE?" (a marketboard that listed offers, so players could then contact eachother) to "full-blown fuckin GE again".
Then nostalgiafags slowly trickled back in, forgetting or unaware of how crap it was without the GE, talking about how good the game would be without it (proven wrong).

>>718871048 (OP)
How do we feel about this youtuber and his content?

>>718875359
>People said this when OSRS came out, but they all very quickly realized that it's fucking SHIT in current year.
i agree with you - GE is a huge QOL bonus. i was just making a point that back then it was fun not having the GE (because we didn't know any better) and i'm glad i got to experience it and that the game (community) will never be like that again.
and that's alright, it's just not for me.

>>718875359
>Nobody has time for that now, people don't want to spend 3 hours selling their lobsters and buying some more potions.
people really exaggerate this shit. nobody struggled to buy/sell common items unless you were a turbo-jew.
Sure the niche stuff sucked, but oh no, you actually have to play the game now, how terrible

>>718871048 (OP)
ff14 mobile
despite it being slop
the name and platform will carry it hard

>>718875538
Pretentious

>>718875538
passable totalbiscuit substitute

>>718871048 (OP)
mmos as a genre are dead
it's just osrs, wow, xiv and sometimes maybe gw2 fighting over the genre
that's it until they all close their doors and the genre is officially a graveyard

>>718875538
when I found out that he was formerly an english teacher it all made sense

>>718875538
josh is a good lad.
sometimes he falls into the usual video-game youtuber traps, but overall cares more than most.
The real problem is youtubers all becoming streamers, which is basically video making death and why youtube is so barren now, despite having more "creators" than ever.

The future of MMOs is actually making something akin to Second Life but with occasional gameplay slapped on top of it
i.e. a modernized FFXIV

There will never be "the next big MMO" OP, just give up already. MMOs are extremely expensive to develop and run and take years if not a decade to develop. All of this means you either need investors who are willing to have their money hanging for a decade or a stable company behind it that can lose millions on a project a year during the development without issue, and all of this gambles on the game not being a flop on release or run into a wall during development. You can't convince an investor or an executive to takes those risks.

>>718874389
Streamers astroturfing it.

>>718874684
Feels like AoC just kept adding stuff instead of just sticking to simple stuff

>>718874389
it never really died, its the only MMO that has been consistently growing in player count over the last ~10 years. The game has wide appeal due to the simplicity of the combat system (with a high skill ceiling and low floor, there's something in it for everyone), skilling systems, social features, good content creators, different game modes like ironman mode, actually active PvP scene, and most importantly a horizontal and vertical hybrid progression where gear from 5 years ago is still very good or even still BiS today.

>>718875647
>mobile mmos
>carrying anything
lol are you a chink? they are the only ones who like mobile mmos

Right now most people would say OSRS is the third most popular MMO after WoW and FF14.

>>718876094
>MMOs are extremely expensive to develop and run and take years if not a decade to develop
This is mostly a false-perception from the western AAA that refuse to try other approaches. Video games don't need 1000 people, all from california. Nor does every MMO have to be "AAA". Runescape proves this over and over again. You could develop a focused MMO with less than 50 people in a place with relatively sane cost of living.

>>718875538
Posh britbong. In his late 30 too.

>"I miss when MMOs were social" niggas when you tell them to begin the conversation
Protip: If you take the initiative, most of the time people will engage. Stop being voyeurs and take part in the socialization.

>>718875886
>why youtube is so barren now, despite having more "creators" than ever

I too would like an answer to this. It seemed like a lot of creators who used to drop content often now only do it so rarely now? Did something change youtube recently? There's like barely any videos of the essayist or josh strife hayes type being made anymore. It wasn't this bad like 9 months ago?

>>718874953
Your argument as to why it's bad is "you kill thing".

What, do you think the next big MMO will be Hello Kitty?

>>718871048 (OP)
I doubt Josh would know since he only spits out ultra safe normie takes

>>718876957
>I too would like an answer to this
They become streamers because youtube is fucked and too volatile / random.
Streaming is substantially less work for more stable income.

>>718871048 (OP)
Whichever takes the OSRS design philosophy and makes it appealing towards younger audiences. The moment a studio stops looking at WoW and realizes there were MMOs before it and MMOs can be things other than seasonal raiding simulators, there is a pit of endless profits waiting to be claimed.

>>718871048 (OP)
JSH is a generic MMO baby, no reason to ever take his takes seriously. If an MMO has any sort of difficulty he'll cry.

>>718877070
>Your argument as to why it's bad is "you kill thing".
his argument is it's strong evidence ashes is still firmly in the same paradigm of thinking that current stale MMOs are in.Which means it's very unlikely to actually push the genre forward and be the next big thing.

I think a VR MMO would work well and fix a lot of social problems, most people would use voice chat since is hard to write in VR and in a town it would be full of people just talking to each other instead of the barren desert that is any MMO today were everyone is just talking in private chats or AFK.
Also allowing UGC content would be dangerous but I think it would be cool, you could have a furry and anime girl and joe with his regular avatar all together doing dungeons, all uploaded by them or made in an in-game editor.

>>718874465
>Southpark fatass no-lifers playing vr MMOs
They might actually lose weight then

>>718877358
So you think the next big MMO won't have any sort of "kill things" stuff in it?

>>718877392
VR is very expensive to get into though, and nobody has managed to get it to work enough to make it better than a bunch of characters sliding around on the ground. I seriously doubt VR will be able to solve the MMO unless musk lets people play games on their neuralink.

>watch some of joshs videos
>horrible audio balancing when he goes in and out of the game
>plays cutscenes all the time for some reason
>refuses to explore the menus and buttons because the game should tell him everything ever
>if a game doesn't match his expectations then instead of adjusting he just seethes, like with UIncharted Waters. He thought it was going to be a rip-roaring pirate adventure, but it turned out to be a slow and comfy trading autism game, but he didn't adjust
>dude le wacky microphone in mug xD

>>718877479
"kill things" with an arbitrary count, as quests? Absolutely not.

>>718877913
VR is not that expensive, you can get it for 200-300 and it can last forever, I don't know why people keep saying that, it was expensive like 7 years ago, nowdays is cheaper than a phone that people change every years.
But I guess as long as people think it's expensive, things will stay that way.

>>718871048 (OP)
Why did he stop making videos

How is elder scrolls online. I'm thinking about subing to WoW, Fallout76, or elder scrolls

I picked up gw2 while I wait for the next promising thing. The new ragnarok didnt look bad but I heard the p2w is bad from the beta testers.

>>718879386
Streaming is less effort.

>>718874389
People with no taste growing up are in their 30's now with children in their 10-15s. So it's expected parents will try to force this sloppy shit down their kids throats.

>>718871048 (OP)
The chink only MMOs

>Ashes of creation
It's only known among us, no one outside of the mmo ecosystem cares. Riot mmo may work since riot got super normies to care about tactical shooters.

>>718880038
AMOGUS

>>718879734
I mean, it's alright. Nothing spectacular but perfectly playable. If you're into TES you should be fine.

>>718872312
>>718874389

First off, jagex sucks and always sides against the playerbase when they please. Remember how they kept adding gay pride shit into the game without a vote? Remember how they lowered the voting pass % from 75 to 70 to shove a skill into the game? sailing sucks balls and the devs didn't even try doing another poll for literally anything else. The people who played osrs in 2013 are hardly playing now. Game got overrun by reddit and newbies that vote based on their favorite youtubers

At this point Riot's MMO is the only one that I'm interested in. It's probably because we know nothing about it. Everything looks like a slop.

AI will allow Sword Art Online-type VR Deep Dive MMOs where the AI makes all the calculations necessary for you to interact with the world like it was real life

>>718871048 (OP)
Nothing. MMOs started to die when features that actually took out the social aspect of them became the norm. You know, shit like raid/duty/whatever finders and all that automated crap that goes completely against what made these games great back in the day. It's a genre that simply doesn't mesh well with the generation instant gratification of today, where everyone just wants to speedrun to the end and move on to the next thing.

Phantasy star Universe 2

>>718881151
by that logic 2b2t and minecraft servers would be a better mmo ( it kinda is )

>>718880396
>the company that copy+pastes other products surely will be the one to release a non-slop MMO

>>718872625
>Everything they make is a hit
lol
>incredible talent
oh you were just trolling
carry on

>>718882030
mmo may be the only genre to benefit from hype and high player counts. So yeah just riot managing an otherwise shitty wow clone may be the next big mmo.

>>718876957
being a streamer is simply more money for less effort if you can get any sort of audience there, editing videos takes time, sitting on your ass playing video games while racking in donations is nothing in comparison

>>718874258
Oh no! Vertical progression in my game about numbers going up what am I ever going to do about this such obvious flaw?

I don't want to play a new MMO, I want to play my favorite MMO again but with the classes, equipment and enemies changed enough to feel fresh and better balanced.

>>718882861
use a runelite plugin to fix it of course!

>>718871048 (OP)
There will never be another in your lifetime. It'll also require WoW to shut down permanently first.

>>718875538
He says the most basic and generic stuff, slowly drawn out, with a British accent. Always making sure to ride whichever fence he can find. This makes him a hyper uber super genius in my American ears.

>>718883430
if an over the hill graphical MUD can steal WoW players, any other game can.

>>718883430
WoW is legitimately no longer the threat. It's Fortnite, roblox, CS2, valorant, warzone. You'd need two or more of those to release their grip on the youth to even consider making a big new MMO.

Point me to a single good MMORPG where I can play a necromancer with multiple summons. No, Guild Wars doesn't count.

>>718871048 (OP)
Honkai MMO that Hoyo is working on.

>>718883961
I wish i could say Runescape 3, but there's too much other shit to wade through.
https://runescape.wiki/w/Necromancy

>>718884098
Since gatcha games have consumed majority of the mmo fanbase but forced them into single player it wouldn't surprise me if an actual gatcha mmo becomes the next big thing.... followed by 50 other copycats.

Unironically the only game in development right now that could save MMOs

>>718884384
star citizen and ashes need to link up and create the ultimate scam universe

>>718871186
>XIV
it doesn't even have OSRS numbers lmao

>>718884384
this, ashes, throne, new world, etc have no actual art direction it's all so fucking bland makes me wanna vomit. Even something shitty like a murloc from wow would work.

>>718875118
The rest of his videos are great, so I'll give him a pass.
The one where he enraged the whole population of a dead game (10 dudes) by making a video of it, and then made another review of the same game to appease them just to basically shit on them again was incredibly funny.

PvP sandbox MMOs are the future. Online games are all about PvP these days. Only WoW players want more WoW-clones.

>>718884992
>PVP
ngmi

>>718884992
PVP-focused MMOs die on announcement.
Literally just make Runescape 2:2 , with an incrementally better combat system.

Are there any MMOs that feel like playing a CRPG like classic Fallout or Baldur's Gate

>>718871048 (OP)
Chrono Odyssey has potential but will probably fail. Osrs or WoW are the last good mmos

>>718871048 (OP)
WoW 2 in 2034

>>718874416
still waiting for the PC release

>>718884992
pvp mmos are only streamer and youtube clickbait.

>>718884879
Sounds like you just want Disney cartoon art. Wildstar for me was the most ugly piece of shit MMO ever to exist solely because of its cartoony art style. Give me "realistic" art over cartoon any day of the week.

>>718871048 (OP)
I have a sliver of hope for the new Archeage game, it seems like they're really trying to make a next gen MMO with gameplay on par with singleplayer games. I really hope they succeed and don't make it pay to win.

>>718886510
i mean fromsoft games have art direction and they're not cartoon. Hell even fps and gta have enough art direction to feel unique from each other. I just want a non-generic money grab.

>>718886510
>hates wildstar
ngmi, ever. Will probably die in a ditch somewhere playing throne and liberty.

>>718886510
>Sounds like you just want Disney cartoon art.
nta but something based on any of the best eras of disney animation would be lovely.

I'm betting the Riot MMO with be the most bland purple Fortnite looking corporate shit artstyle you've ever seen

>>718886721
brighter shores made me realize just how lucky andrew was with rs. He stumbled into a golden idea, had no fucking clue what he was doing, and it still managed to make one of the most successful games.

>>718886834
I don't care as long as the girls are cute and fodder for blender animations.

>>718886834
I just need enough gen alpha kids to keep the player population stable enough for me to grind cosmetics for my teemo character

MapleStory Classic will dominate the market.

if he talks about it then you know that it's big enough. Most of the mmos here are just going to be played by the same 40s who have been playing mmos for the last 20 years. It needs new blood, not younger people but just people outside of the environment.

>>718887345
I remember being the 2nd youngest person in my guild a few years back when I was 25, I think. The only person younger than me was some girl in college. The oldest, that I knew of, was a 56 year old school teacher. mmo is a genre for geriatrics.

>>718875350
I want M&M to do well, but there's no chance of it becoming the next big MMO. It's far too intentionally-archaic to draw in a large modern audience.

>>718871048 (OP)
I wish this retarded faggot would just die

>>718887543
>mmo is a genre for geriatrics.
Roblox is literally the largest MMO with the youngest playerbase.
"MMO" is the problem term that needs to be rethought.

>>718874930
I would advise that you apologize now or I will drain your steam wallet and buy multiple months of Fallout 1st
I'm already outside your door

>>718871048 (OP)
This retarded manlet put WoW and XIV in the same tier lmao

>>718887624
>ROBLOX
you know what people mean when they say mmo
>um ackshually
no, nigger. shut the fuck up.

>>718887821
exactly, proving my point.
Please explain how Roblox isn't an MMO

>>718874258
Not to forget
>the worst gameplay of any game ever made

There won't be a successful mmo for decades.
The cost is too prohibitive to make without pandering to retarded investors/cutting corners.
The scope too large for passionate indie devs.

We have to wait until AI development reaches a point to have major affects on game development. And then adapt that for MMOs specifically. And then to actually make a MMO with those tools by someone who has the time and a genuinely good idea.

>>718876876
>Play Tera NA Classic
>500 players max
>Global chat is alive
>LFG chat is alive
>People are around while questing
>Even the matchmaking system put you in dungeons
>Game feels somehow more alive than FFXIV which used to have at least 40k players online

>>718888170
Valve is the one company that could be free of financial worries with making one, but their retarded stack ranking makes it impossible for anyone to even attempt it.

Ipad kids don't have the attention span required for MMOs, so if we ever get to se a popular MMO again it won't be the type of game you like.

>>718888278
what private server should I join? I heard that the mmo was shutdown

>>718888315
The real issue is that making such a large-scale game (a good one at least) requires a unified vision and Valve is the exact opposite of that.

>>718884992
PvP is legitimately the last fucking thing mmos should care about

>>718890543
PvP is how you get young players engaged with your game, young players don't give a shit about long term goals, minmaxing, grinding or raiding. They just wanna have fun killing each other.
Devs have to stop designing games for 40+ year old raid loggers, it's a stagnant playerbase. PvP is the only way forward for the genre.

>>718872750
>>718872875
I know of people currently working on the game. It’s in production still.

>>718891109
PvP in MMOs is absolute ass. The only good PvP games are battle royals and fighting games, and fighting games are awful at a meta level.

The further mmos step away from co-op gameplay, the worse they’ll get.

>>718880546
nah

>>718871048 (OP)
with how much the ps5 is struggling to run even the most basic fucking UE5 games, It's fair to say gta:o2 isn't going to be an mmo

>>718891306
That isn't true at all, there are plenty of great PvP games out there that don't fit those categories. Just because you don't like New World PvP for example doesn't mean it's bad, it's all about how deeply you want to engage with it. The fun of a PvP system isn't always apparent at a glance, you often have to spend a great deal of time interacting with it before it clicks.

>>718891916
The problem is that mmo combat is rooted in boss encounters, raids essentially.

The allure of PvP games is reaction timing and twitch gameplay. That’s why Fortnite and Apex and League and Siege are all the top PvP games.

There’s no point in making PvP modes in MMOs. It’s like making it in Sekiro or Ninja Gaiden, it doesn’t work.

All the MmO devs waste their time implementing PvP modes.

>>718892448
I'd say an MMO without PvP is a pretty hollow experience, the genre is all about interacting with other players. If you can't even kill them then you're leaving a lot of game on the table.
A fantasy world without any antagonists or ability to solve conflicts between players through violence is inorganic and dull. WoW is the largest MMO ever and it had a massive PvP scene, remember warcraft movies back in the early days? It was full of PvP videos with edgy metal music playing in the background, even Runescape was all about PvP during those days. When did we all turn into a bunch of hand-holding PvE faggots?

>>718883961
Guild Wars 2 :^)

>>718871048 (OP)
Seeing clips of fags in wheelchairs, ugly dykes, dyed haired freaks and second life tier “features.” made me realise just how much women and third world dregs killed not just mmos but gaming as a whole.

Wow used to be the perfect game. It was literally perfect. I should beat my girlfriend and hand out poisoned food to the homeless, fuck.

Kill any faggot using wings in mmos,

>>71889317
You have to remember that WoW was the Fortnite of 2004.

PvP works in MMOs when it’s done in a non traditional way: Faction wars, capturing outposts, bounties. But, the entire game has to based around it. You either have raids or an interlinked open world with PvP.

The idea though of having a 15 minute match against another group of people, whether tab targeting or action combat, is just awful. I’m not gonna rate the execution of something based on whether a 13 year old put Meteora in the background to it.

>>718893976
I agree that MMOs should strike a good balance between PvE and PvP, I also believe that segregating them is bad for the game. PvP should simply be a natural part of the world, not something to be stowed away in a walled off instance so it can't hurt the feefees of dragonslayers. The early days of Archeage is an example of PvP done right in an MMO, it was the lifeblood of that game. It made trade runs exciting, the naval battles were crazy, the criminal system was hilarious. I really wish we could have something like that again.

>>718871048 (OP)
FF18

>>718893176
I don't even bother playing MMOs without some form of open-world PvP. It adds massively to the feeling of the world. When it's just PvE mobs, the world feels boring and "safe", add PvP and it adds tension where the world feels more dangerous and alive. People always say "but then zergs just run around killing everyone", but that's such a rarity in my experience. It's a bad game, but when NW launched I constantly ran around with PvP on, and in the 2 months I played at launch I got attacked by more than 1 player twice. Once when I ran across a guild doing the PvP territory quests (so my bad), and the second time when I stumbled across 2 players from a random guild who I actually beat 1v2.

>>718895329
legit boss nigga shit will for real kill wow if released

>>718895951
Same, I don't get the appeal of killing mobs in these games. They're just slowly waddling towards you while spamming abilities on a cooldown. PvP is infinitely more complex, interesting and rewarding.

>>718872625
Amazon also had limitless funds, look what came of the New World. Riot are fucking retards, the Riot of today had nothing to do with who developed LoL originally, it was a Canadian company full of soul that got sold off to Chinks and began churning out slop.

>>718895329
Shouldn't it be FF17? Anyway, I don't trust japs at Square Enix to handle it considering Dawntrail. Sad that the slightly better alternative is either chink or gook microtransaction p2w slop.

Tera 2 when
i dont even care about the Elin really, if anything Castanic and Elves were pure sexo

>>718899228
They just started pre-production so maybe 5-8 years

>>718871048 (OP)
When the next GTA game comes out there will be people who make entire careers and lives out of streaming the multiplayer

>>718899458
yeah, me.

>>718875538
I liked his Otherland playthrough a lot. The video on Animyst was also cool.

>>718871048 (OP)
Probably whatever manages to really shake things up in a significant way. I doubt the next truly big MMO will look anything like current ones.

Resident Evil Online.

>>718872750
I'm still a little pissed about the fightan game
not because I like those games
fighting games are shit
but because they stole the devs from Stonehearth to make it
and Stonehearth could have been good

>>718871048 (OP)
Final Fantasy XIV-2.

We're just in the wrong timeline, they're both jewish prison planet timelines but one had the absolute retard easy understanding that "Maybe we should make the next iteration of our game after 12+ years" and made XIV-2 instead of trying to force another 10 years of expansions with DT.

We simply weren't born into that world. Frankly I'd prefer no XIV at all but with no jewish prison planet problems as well but that's just me.

EverQuest 3