Thread 718881096

>Thanks to Lossless Scaling we can play new Triple AAA titles from 2025 at 60fps or HIGHER on our Steam Deck with no drawbacks
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO

Literal black magic for emulation. Was worth the pirate

I'm not buying an obsolete handheld
Call me when 2 comes out

>>718881096 (OP)
The drawback is that you don't render real frames anymore
The epiphany was realizing that for most people and games this is acceptable

I tested it on Spider-Man and Elden Ring
Feels nice to play em at 60 on the 'eck

>>718881096 (OP)
>no drawbacks

>>718881176
>I'm not buying an obsolete handheld
But enough about the Switch 2...

>>718881317
I'm not a nintendo fan but buying a 2022(?) powered handheld that can't really run new titles isn't worth it, just get a portable monitor and mount it near your bed, we both know nobody carries the deck outside

>>718881316
There's literally no drawbacks
>b-b-bbut muh input delay
Yes, it increases input delay but the smoothness reduces your brain's input delay, nullifying it.

t. Unironically finding vidya easier after AIslopping them to 120FPS

>>718881316
I'm waiting good snoy sir
Are you mad that I'm playing your PS5 "EXclusive" on my deck at 60fps?
https://youtu.be/9xSvBJhP7g8

>>718881461
>That can't really run new titles
But it literally can though? That's the whole point of the thread

https://youtu.be/SsK1cd93H4U
FUCK
NOT REBIRTH RUNNING AT 60FPS TOO
SONYBROS THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR BIG EXCLUSIVE, FUCK

>>718881627
Can it run new aaa ue5 sloppa at 60fps?

>>718881854
Ooh that's a tough one, not even the best PCs can run UE slop well...
....good thing the Steam Deck is BETTER
https://youtu.be/_wV2X7ZNFoo

>>718881854
sure at 360p

>>718882075
Good marketing but I'm waiting for deck 2 in the next year anyway

>can emulate every known console and handheld to man
>Practically a handheld Linux PC too
>All your steam games in one comfy good OS
The only thing haters had on us was not being able to play at 60fps on titles past 2023, but thanks to Lossless we can go even higher up to 180fps!
This thing breathed new life into the 'Eck and killed the haters in one fell swoop.

>>718882234
Unfortunately for you....yeah no it probably will be late next year. Early 2027 at the latest. Best to wait for that.

So this would help Cyberpunk right? I've been thinking of getting it from gog

>>718882607
Yup
https://youtu.be/bDA9lUz2a1U
It helps with pretty much every triple A that had trouble hitting anything above 30fps on the Deck

>>718882706
yeah i actually love it, it has worked in every game I've tried so far. the only drawback o have found is that, after an hour or so of gameplay, the game turns unplayably slow. however, it only lasts about 30 secs, and goes back to normal after. will likely be fixed in a future update. other than that its been an amazing tool

>>718881096 (OP)
I rather just wait on the Steam Deck 2 where I won't need a mod with fake frames.

I used this and all it did was drastically increase the demands of games for very little gains.

>>718881096 (OP)
>Lossless Scaling
Did I miss something? What's this, a new feature?

there's no way thats true

>>718884000
Yes yes I believe you kid

I wonder if it works for Yuzu on Deck. I'd like to get Tears of the Kingdom above 24fps

>worse than the 1st generation of amd's frame generator
>input delay so high it feels your mouse's on an ice rink
hard pass. great for watching anime tho

>>718884253
Well shit, I just looked it up and it does
https://youtu.be/1KIcRbPbBMs
Neat

>>718881786
I may be retarded, but this looks like it's sped up instead of actually being silky smooth 60fps.

>>718881492
Based
People crying input delay like it'll help them be any less shit at the fighting games they keep trying to master but fail at

>>718884391
That reminds me. I need to see how Smooth Motion looks on TotK, since it's one of the few Switch games that goes above a 60 slideshow.

>>718881171
nigger it's $7 wtf is wrong with you

The only game it didn't do great at was Sonic Frontiers, it ran like shit on two islands but good everywhere else.
However I'm willing to chalk that up to shitty optimization

>>718884087
A plugin that interpolates frames between the game's actual frames, to increase framerate. Meant for lower-end hardware, but can be used for most any game included emulation. It can however, make things look very muddy, especially at higher fidelity. It also can create input lag issues at higher frame multipliers.

>>718881096 (OP)
Why would you use the shoddy version of frame gen when you can use Nvidia's? Are poorfag brains not operational?

>>718881176
Its ok anon, you can buy ANY other handheld and still give valve money for games! Steam wins no matter what lol

>>718881171
>>718884825
I pirated it at first and then bought it to support the devs after I realized how much it helps for my little toaster

>>718884937
>A plugin that interpolates frames between the game's actual frames
Modern TVs already do that.

>Meant for lower-end hardware
Oh, so for poorfag /v/irgins that still live in the early 2010s. Makes sense.

I dont care what you say I dont believe that I can download more fps

>>718885125
It's not downloading anything tho

>>718885121
>Modern TVs already do that.
It's supposedly unique in that it generates 2 frames for each inbetween as opposed to one.

>>718885248
>pay money
>dont download anything
>my fps is supposed to suddenly improve

I am not falling for this one again dude. Paying for that shaman to perform a pachikunti interpolation ritual on my GPU over zoom that did SHIT ALL was bad enough

>>718885406
then pirate it like the other nig you stupid monkey poojeet

>>718881096 (OP)
Okay, but are there any AAA games worth playing?

AAA games should rely first on amd/nvidia upscalers that take into account motion vectors and game ui
Lossless scaling works when you cant, but its inferior. For old games that are fps capped its going to significantly improve the experience. Then theres some stuttering 8 fps anime where it helps

>>718884105
>30 extra fake frames taking me from 90 to 120-130 average for a 15-20 degree increase in GPU temps
>Yeah bro you imagined it, it's free performance!

>>718884391
i do wanna revisit tears of the kingdom with this setup. never go x3 though, for me at least, the latency at x2 is next to none, i don't notice it at all of there's any, but at x3 it feels like playing at 200-300 ping

>>718881096 (OP)
Why didn't Gaben just pay gorillion dollars to this guy to implement Lossless Scaling natively on Steam OS?

>>718886832
i wish gaben was smart enough to do this. in reality he just doesn't care

>>718885515
Multiple

i don't get how this gets a pass when people kept complaining about dlss and fsr producing fake frames. i always saw the merit behind the tech but it was always shat on.

>>718887463
This one gets a pass because some games have atrocious dlss/fsr implementation leading to weird shadow effects and distortion like diablo 4. Other indie games run like shit and dont have framegen support at all. It also works on framerate limited cutscenes. Even if there are other game-specific mods/solutions for these issues, It's a great all-purpose tool that even a retard like me can use conveniently (just open and press hotkey to enable extra frames).

>>718881854
Hardly a knock on the Switch 2. Most modern hardware can't run the latest ue5 slop at 60fps.

>>718881096 (OP)
Hold on a second, this is for linux now? It only lists windows on the store page.

>>718887463
because it juzt werkz literally just click and it works for anything you want and it's price is only $7 nothing else. Meanwhile those are both proprietary shareholder marketing slop dictating how the tech gets pushed and up-charged

is this open source by any chance? would be cool to add to a godot project but i have no clue how it works.

>>718887463
Because this costs $7 and works twice as well as the $3000 NVida ones kek

>>718888523
Yeah I had to click on a link directly to it for it to show up for me, dunno why
https://store.steampowered.com/app/993090/Lossless_Scaling/

>>718889116
I still don't see the confirmation that it runs on linux, they need to fix that asap, a lot of people were waiting to buy this.

>>718889042
Imagine just lying on the internet for a $7 sale since you're the author shilling.

>>718887463
the reason, well, two reasons why it gets a pass for me is because with lossless i barely notice any ghosting when using it, and it also works on every game or basically anything you can run on your machine, including emulation. bonus reason, it's not fake a gay corpo garbage

>>718889465
>Lying
Multiple videos have been posted in this thread along with testimonies from others proving me right
Lemme guess, you're a Tendie that's pissed that S2 games are running worse than Deck games and now Lossless Scaling is another hard blow to your $500 console?

Yeah we won

>>718886832
because fake resolution is retarded and the real issue is devs relying on shitty crutches like that instead of doing their jobs right

>>718891953
I love how Valve and Nintendo reveal how shit devs are at optimization.

>>718881096 (OP)
I mean yes, except for that insane input lag. I wouldn't want to use it for any precise gaming.

>>718887463
Because it's less about the game having subpar optimization and more about allowing middle road specs to keep 60 in games that they can run at 30

>>718892335
but enough about DLSS

>>718881096 (OP)
I like using it for vlogs that are filmed at 30fps. It's unpleasant watching a low frame rate video where someone is swinging a camera around while walking.

Btw, has anyone tried this on Baldurs Gate 3? I have an LCD deck and I'm wondering if its actually playable
I have it on Gog

>>718892461
There was already SmoothVideo Project for that, which is free for linux. Also a bunch of other open source stuff which is not as nice to use.

>>718881096 (OP)
>With input delay so bad all you can play are turn based RPGs where frame rate doesn't matter anyway
LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

>>718893004
huh why's it free on linux?

>>718885121
>Modern TVs already do that.

They create input lag which is a no-go for emulators

>Oh, so for poorfag /v/irgins that still live in the early 2010s.

Some emulators literally cannot run games above 30fps, so no.

Are you missing the point here a little?

beware if your raw fps is low, the picture will look like the ai is hallucinating on shrooms. i still use it though because it is technically 60fps, and it still feels better than low fps. i cant really afford a 5090.

>>718892212
>Nintendo

>>718892335
>Insane
Lol

>>718893181
I guess they like linux

Board likes fake frames now?

>>718893478
For a handheld and for old games where it isn't possible to generate real frames why not?

>>718893292
Yes

>>718881171
>black magic
>just make up frames
Idiot.

>>718881096 (OP)
Looks like wobbly dog shit unless the base frame rate is at least 60 fps, which defeats the entire purpose.

>only cared about lossless scaling for upscaling filters for VNs
>dev and users stop caring about this and focus on fake frames
>replace it with magpie because it stays focused on filters
>switch to linux
>lossess scaling dev refuses to port to linux
>magpie dev refuses to port to linux
>valve explicitly refuses to add any advanced scaling filters to gamescope other than FSR, which looks like dogshit
>steam deck fans finally take matters into their own hands and port lossless scaling themselves
>they don't even bother with scaling filters and only port fake frames bullshit
I'm so sick of this

>>718881096 (OP)
I bought it for $4 and still feel like I got ripped off. I'm sure it's technically an accomplishment but it just doesn't work that well in most scenarios and the lag is very noticeable.

>>718893350
I tried to use it with Bloodborne and it added like an entire second of input delay.

>>718881492
>your brain's input delay
I think that's exclusive to your shitty brain

>>718893627
>where it isn't possible to generate real frames
What does that mean

>>718881096 (OP)
>/v/ spent months shitposting Nvidia's fake frames
So fake frames are okay when it's on the Deck lol

Buy an ad

>>718894006
Yeah when I bought a steam deck last year I used lossless scaling with Helldivers 2 and the lag was atrocious. It also didn't even improve the graphics that much and there was tons of smearing. I ended up returning the Deck a few weeks later. I'll just wait for a Deck 2 or Legion Go 2, whichever comes first.

>>718894084
Old games with fps caps

>>718881096 (OP)
Crazy that the deck just keeps getting better over time, both because of valve and the community.
Almost like this is what a gaming system should be, not a locked down, drm addled prison box designed just to take games hostage and fleece the shit out of its users.

>>718893921
whomst is this cute slut

I don't like that it makes the UI blurry when you move fast
May just be me being a retard setting it up tho, well it's only 7-8dollars wasted

>>718893665
switch 2 literally added DLSS support, you dumb sperg

>>718894006
>>718894259
Don't go beyond 50% frame gen, the input lag is not noticeable (probably because I'm boosting from 30-48 to 45-72 lol). Maybe if you can hit 60 native it's pointless (I never bother to use it in that case so I don't know).

Make games feel like you're playing underwater for an extra 10 frames!

Wow! Amazing!

>>718892212
>and Nintendo
?
Nintendo's games still look like the Wii U could run them and Bananza's fps still gets nuked to 30.

>no drawback
This has never been true for anything ever.

>>718881096 (OP)
>>718881270
Just normal FSR3 is better, only really useful for things like RTX Remixes, that refuse to support anything other than Nvidia tech, although now that we have XeSS frame gen available and I understand it supports Vulkan, it may be possible to just use that instead. Don't know if it's worth it to use lossless scaling frame gen beyond 2x, as I have not used it on a high refresh rate display but found myself just about tolerating 2x input-tagwise, not over.

>>718893921
It was ported to Linux a weak ago.

>>718894872
It's the input lag and washed out blurry frames. However, Deckbros have notoriously low standards so while the Switch and Nvidia gets castrated for this, it is celebrated in the Valve community.

>>718887463
1 Word. Linux.
AMD fags are also Linux fags who are also Deck fags at the same time, and they shitpost anything that is better on Nvidia cards or only available on Windows, including DLSS and FG, but whenever it gets even remotely usable on their machines, they switch the narrative and now it's a selling point for them, even if it still runs much worse.

>>718893901
I use it where there's nothing better from 30, it's better than nothing.

>>718895075
They only ported fake frames and none of the other features, which was the entire point of my post. The program is called lossless SCALING and they didn't port the SCALING part.

>>718894465
Got to future proof, man

>>718894680
Not the hardware's fault, probably a bug.

>>718894158
Yes they're fine when it's only $7 vs $4000

>>718895150
He mentioned FSR3G as well, you retard. Just take the L and avoid being buried alive.

>>718894465
And yet it still can't even run FF7 remake, a 2020 PS4 game, above 40fps looool

>>718894498
30 to 60 fps the lag was very noticeable in the games I tried unfortunately.

>>718894872
Unless someone wants to come at me with hard numbers, shit works like a dream.

>>718895150
But I use Nvidia on my Linux

so wait, if a game comes with framegen it's shit but framegen itself isn't shit? does that mean i shouldn't bother adding it to my game project?

>>718895449
you are probably the biggest retard ITT

>>718895508
Why?

>>718895180
I suggest you voice this complaint to Valve's support. There's no guarantee, but doesn't hurt to try and see if they grant a refund for an only partially-working program. That being said, I found magpie to be worse.

>>718895180
Oh! I forgot this part. Retroarch shaders were ported to Reshade a long time ago. You also have that option, just that it lacks stuff like Anime4k.

>>718895485
>adding it to my game project
?? I understand you're asking if LSG is better than other methods. It's the worst, but the only way to get more than 2x frame gen outside of Nvidia's 5000 series GPUs or AFMF, which looks worse but you might prefer the lower latency.

>>718881096 (OP)
I just use this to make TPHD and WWHD visually non-cancerous when I emulate them.

>>718881096 (OP)
A question: is there an equivalent for Wii?
Cause my Wii is fried and there are no stores that can repair it cause nobody has the pieces necessary so I either buy a new Wii or some sort of alternative. If there is some equivalent for it I'd like to check since I want to also leave it so my Dad can play its games like Wii Sports.

>>718894006
>and the lag is very noticeable.
This is something a lot of tards don't understand. Frame gen adds input lag and it's relative to your base frame rate. Playing at 30? Interpolating that to 60 or beyond is going to feel horrendous, you get 30 fps level input lag + frame gen added lag.

Frame gens best use case is simply filling out the "gap" on already high FPS games to reach your monitors baseline. Like if you had a 240hz monitor and you could get your game playing at ~120 average, use FG to boost that to 240. Any FPS below ~90 is going to feel horrible input wise with FG, and anyone who says otherwise is admitting they're so fucking bad at games they can't feel massive input lag.

>>718895209
>fake resolution is future-proofing
I get it you're trolling

>>718881492
>-bbut muh input delay
Not him but input delay is the thing I literally cannot compromise on. I will play a game on low/off everything just for it to feel reactive. How much does LS add?

>>718893181
They use a few open source libraries specific to linux that don't allow monetization within their specific license.

>>718881096 (OP)
Looked like shit when I tried Elden Ring, frame pacing was horrible and inconsistent.

>>718895150
>AMD
>blocks ur path

>>718896614
nta. but if you are playing on kb/m it's usually pretty bad, on controller it's fine depending on the game
It works great for games that are locked at 30fps, like older ones that you can emulate.

>>718889806
>lies about LSFG outperforming a PC GPU
>gets called on it
>I must be a tendie, then
Imagine lying, and then being too dumb to know you lied.

>>718895508
>>718895526
>no response
So it's just
>My stale maymays say ur dumb!
Cyberpunk and TW: Warhammer 3 benchmark the same on linux as on Windows 10 on my card and your old memes won't change that.

>>718897376
That makes sense as to why a lot of people say it's good on RPCS3, but weird they'd recommend it on a game like Elden Ring.

>>718881096 (OP)
its not really any different than fsr or nvidia frame generation. If you already have good performance it will help make things look smoother. If you have shit performance its going to make things potentially look smoother, but feel like ass becuase you're still only getting the same amount of input frames.

>>718884825
no family sharing or source code no buy

>>718897252
botnet cable, use dp

>>718882075
You and I both know there's input lag. And of all the games to choose you chose the one that required timing.

>>718888582
Hell it "just werks" better on Linux, because you don't need to play grab ass with jumping back in to your game before a timer goes off, you can even played windowed. It's literally plug and play.

>>718881096 (OP)
Does this just work on any game you run? Even games you manually add to steam?

>>718900461
You click on some settings to create a profile, then link the .exe to that profile. Then you run the game, then click "scale" and it operates.

But it also sounds like people are using it for non-vidya? Do they just do this too? or is it some fancy little trick?

Regardless, for any vidya, I know it should essentially work for any, since that's all you do to operate it.

>>718900461
Pretty much

>>718881096 (OP)
>steamies really believe this

>>718881096 (OP)
Why do people praise this but screech at Nvidia MFG?

>>718900461
You don't even need Steam, you can even run it on emulators. Just set it up properly, then hit a key combination in-game and enjoy your frames.
It works surprisingly well for games that are capped at 30 FPS, I'd say it's even better than 60 FPS patches because it doesn't risk fucking up their physics in case they're tied to FPS.

>>718900845
>Just set it up properly, then hit a key combination in-game and enjoy your frames.
Do you run this on linux?

>>718900885
No, on Windows. It's just that some games are kinda gay and don't get the framegen working automatically even if I use a long delay for it to start so I find it easier to do it manually.

>>718881096 (OP)
Damn, that's like
AAA
AAA
AAA

>>718884825
that's too much

>>718881096 (OP)
Doesn't Smooth Motion do the same thing? I haven't been home in a week so I haven't tested it on my 4xxx card but I'm excited to.

I hate how you have to launch and activate that program, I multitask too much for it to be comfy.

>>718900845
>It works surprisingly well for games that are capped at 30 FPS, I'd say it's even better than 60 FPS patches because it doesn't risk fucking up their physics in case they're tied to FPS.
Seconding this. I used it to play Bloodborne in the areas where the patch would crash the game and it made me feel retarded since it literally runs just as good but costs a LOT less hardware wise.

Bloodborne is a pretty good benchmark for this too since it's a kinda fast action game.

>>718895508
Nvidia supports linux now, dude. Because it's better for AI.

>>718897470
well ER runs really badly

>>718881096 (OP)
OK. I'll bite.

I have a steam deck. I play more games at low-medium. So list me the steps to play Crysis at 120FPS using this duck technology.

Someone post the god of war webm please

>>718902392
Undoable because the LCD Deck caps at 60 and the OLED at 90

>>718881096 (OP)
I have an old hdtv from 08 that has this in the settings, im not impressed by this at all.

any new developments on that dual gpu thing?

>>718904915
I saw 2 videos of people testing it and it didn't look like it was doing much. I don't know if they were doing it correctly.

>>718881854
a 4060 can’t even do that, even with dlss

>>718904954
i first heard about it running wukong (a gpu expensive unreal engine 5 game) 4k 200+ frames with two mid tier gpus. input lag be damned i'm interested in prolonging life of my rtx 3080.

>>718897376
>if you are playing on kb/m it's usually pretty bad
>on controller it's fine
kill all casuals

Framegen is acceptable for any game that doesn't use a first person perspective and requires fast, precise aiming.

>>718884391
>Black hands
>Incredibly deep nigga voice

>>718904954
Have you checked the guide?
https://sageinfinity.github.io/docs/Guides/DualGPUGuide

>>718896456
Emulate with dolphin then use LS to increase the frames. Works fine with PXS2 so I assume the same applies.

>>718881171
its free on linux dumb winjeet

>>718905368
Pc Masterrace everyone.

This program makes blurry sloppa outlines because it can't distinguish UI like the namebrand upscalers, but its very nice for 30fps locked games like Monster Hunter Frontier. Very fun tool.

>>718887463
because using them will be a requirement rather than a way to boost your FPS, developers always pump their games full of garbage shit and have it run at 30fps with massive stuttering problems, even indie devs who make low poly shit end up with games heavier than RDR2

>>718881096 (OP)
>no drawbacks
how retarded are you

>>718881096 (OP)
>calls itself "lossless scaling" even though it's the exact opposite of lossless
the average gaymer is so easy to scam nowadays

>>718902392
Well you can't because LCD has a 60hz screen and OLED a 90hz

>800p
well I should fucking hope so

>>718881096 (OP)
I love the deck so much it's unreal.

>>718907690
Same
It really is the perfect handheld

>n-now you can play triple a slop!!!
stupidest shit I heard in a while. you get a deck to play h-games not aaa slop

>>718908879
>deck for VN
You can just steam link to your phone for free, retard.

>>718908879
gnu is my pepper

>>718881096 (OP)
Yes, yes it's cool. BUT. Use it for watching hentai in 60 fps...

>>718882706
>https://youtu.be/bDA9lUz2a1U
tendies on suicide watch

>>718897470
I use it on elden ring/nightreign because I want 120fps while still being able to play online.

>>718910446
I should try this with BG3

>>718910428
>60fps hentai
why not add HDR and 4k ai upscale as well

>upscalers
>fake frames
We're STILL doing this stupid shit? I'd rather have lighting shimmering with no AA than deal with dogshit blurry mess and weird framegen artifacts.
I'm literally starting to wonder if gaming has regressed.

>>718910428
Eh anime with extra fps looked bad honestly doesn't look smooth and more jumpy per frame, movie looks great but a bit like your average soap opera / streaming if you use the framegen

>>718905826
and yet very informative and well-spoken, truly makes you think about how gamers are a family or some shit

>>718910810
Enlighten me on how to get more frames in ancient games without fucking up the physics or gamespeed then.

>>718910898
By binary patching the engine.

>>718908953
>playing literally anything on your phone

>>718910446
They're just going to dismiss that image as looking at the ground. You'd need a driving comparison. 80fps is still more than enough to make the point.

>>718910446
Need an elden ring version of this since that's what they're all currently coping over.

>>718881096 (OP)
>no drawbacks
I/O latency. To generate a frame you first have to delay the frame output. You're adding 33ms of input latency for no reason (at 2x frame gen). It's even worse if you generate more frames.
Don't get me wrong, most games are still perfectly playable this way, but it's often going to lead to frustration especially in games which require almost frame perfect movement.
It would be a lot better if they offered fractional frame generation so that the minimum wasn't 2x. If you could set it to 1.25x you'd basically nullify input delay (compared to 2x) while still getting stable 40fps or 60fps. Games which struggle on Steam Deck are usually hovering around 30-50fps, so a 1.25x framegen would make more sense. Games which perform worse than that would be unplayable even with framegen.
Also, framegen doesn't help games which are CPU starved (Deck has a very weak CPU). Those games will still run at under 100% speed. Sure, you can have "smooth frames", but it's like watching a 120fps movie at 0.5x speed (it's still slow as fuck).

>>718881176
>obsolete
What makes it obsolete? It didn't lose the ability to play any game it already could. It will never really become obsolete until every single new game is unplayable on it, which won't happen this decade or probably even next decade (unless 32bit becomes completely unsupported)

>>718910810
Fake frames are definitely bad, but there's nothing wrong with upscaling since it can be done without introducing any delay. It's basically like reducing LOD, but for the entire screen.

>>718910994
>pay $400 to mash A at Jpegs
>pay $30 to mash A at Jpegs

>>718911285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33FNkq-W8-o
Are there even any Elden Ring on Switch 2 benchmarks out yet?

>>718884825
I bought a while ago. I think it was 3-5 dollars at the time.
I've used it a bunch. Worth it. Keep my 1060 going.

>>718900461
It runs with anything you can run in a window. I usually just use it to upscale slightly, but frame gen is nice in done games, muddy in others. But it can net you 10-20 fps in some games just upscaling a tad. Depends on the game.

>>718906714
It's called lossless scaling because it's original use was to upscale pixel games properly. Which it still does.

I have a deck OLED
I find this stupid as shit
Isn't baseline supposed to be 60fps?
Cyberpunk feels like garbage even at 140fps with framegen on
This is superior to the Switch 2, don't get me wrong. But why would I wanna play like this

>>718911769
We only heard that it runs horribly from Gamescon

>>718912849
Well for starters, why are you playing at 140fps when OLED only has a 90hz screen

>>718913045
I'm talking about my experience on PC

>>718881096 (OP)
How does this shit work? Every time I use it I barely notice an improvement or it just makes the game run worse without it. I have a 3050 6GB laptop and FF7 Rebirth ran better without this on. Same with Expedition 33.
I feel like I wasted money.

>>718908879
Yeah playing serena's game on a portable is something the fuck else, although I doubt a deck is needed for fucking RPG maker games

>>718881096 (OP)
how do I even enable this on Steam Deck

All I know is this
Shitty touhou fangame struggles to maintain 60 dead on smooth fps and the framerate is locked. No matter what you have. you could have a fucking 5090 and the best fucking CPU there is, it doesn't matter.
Use lossless scaling and suddenly that shit is dead smooth and the input lag is imperceptible enough where it doesn't fucking matter because you're not dealing with awkward non-smooth shit and at worst all you see is a few artifacts around the UI. Game just outright becomes a lot more playable. I will shit on framegen sometimes because in some cases it's not worth it, but in some cases it outright is.

>>718894364
I like the part where the S2 just bricks itself if it thinks you're meddling with the internals. What a shameless piece of shit and a solid addition to the mountain of evergrowing e-waste.

>>718897641
https://github.com/PancakeTAS/lsfg-vk

>>718913335
You have to get the deck program along with the actual software. Look up guides

>>718883206
>where I won't need a mod with fake frames.
Yea it will most likely be already included in the OS.

>>718885486
Literally 0 reading comprehension.

I tried it with a game /v/ either loves or hates everytime there's a thread and basically it doesn't work. I have to remove the launch command for the game to start up.

>try it with helldivers 2
>OOPS GAMEGUARD HATES THAT SORRY
fucking hell

No way pctards are now defending a basic tv tier frame interpolation.
At least the frames shitted by multi gen are somewhat decent, at least on x2.

>>718906349
What in the actual fuck am I seeing?

>>718884825
probably a thirdie

Tried it on carol's game
Finally the game is playable at 60fps on medium settings
It doesn't look off, doesn't look smeary, and the input lag is basically like playing it on a normal console
If you have a deck you're basically an imbecile if you're not using this

>>718881096 (OP)
I can't deal with the input delay. Pretty cool though for slower games like rpgs

>>718887463
We're at this threshold of necessity because every modern game is so poorly optimized that we need the "fake frames", it's just shit input delay holding it back. DLSS and FSR wouldn't even be a problem if they weren't basically rigging the industry to be necessary.

>>718881096 (OP)
The generated frames look like shit though

>>718881854
Why the fuck do you want to play ue5 sloppa?

>>718881096 (OP)
You retards keep missing the bigger benefit of LS and its FrameGen, which is that you can now play 30 FPS at pseudo 60 FPS, which is a vast improvement.
I'm the only person who ever saw mentioning this, and I only ever say it in the Tales Of threads because of Symphonia.

>>718881096 (OP)
>>718916196
>play 30 FPS-capped games at pseudo 60 FPS
Ftfm.
It also isn't limited to native PC games, it works with stuff like Citra, Dolphin, Yuzu or Ryujinx too.

>>718887463
It doesnt get a pass, its usually worse in smear than the amd and njudea ones, this is a shill thread so nobody points it out

>>718916249
Honestly, early 3D console games in emulation really benefit from this stuff. It's not so detailed that frame smear is a super big deal, and being able to smooth out the inherent performance dips goes a long way even as something like the Steam Deck can keep a consistent framerate on the emulator itself without batting an eye usually.

>>718916249
Fuck That Feminine Mouth?

>>718913268
>FF7 Rebirth ran better without this on
frame gen needs overhead anon

>>718881096 (OP)
Lossless Scaling is a good way to recognize how easily swayed /v/ is by the underdog effect.

>upscaling and frame generation designed by big companies
>"this is so shit lmao, fake slop tricks"
>cheap knock-off upscaling and frame generation in downloadable app
>"OMG this is so good, real performance upgrades!"

>>718916926
the only reason anyone really appreciates it is the universal usage functionality instead of having to expect games to launch with framegen. we're still getting AAA games that simply don't have framegen, so there isn't much choice but to use the knock-off, and anyone that actually knows how it all works will tell you that if a game has it built-in, always use that first.

>>718916926
>big companies trying to sell a $1000 machine vs some college kids putting a $7 program on steam
Gee I wonder why /v/ mocks the big companies

>>718917067
>having to expect games to launch with framegen
no actually, you should expect games to be playable without framegen
youre a fuckin lobotomite

>>718916926
Also marketing tricks
There's nothing "lossless" about this so-called "scaling", it's just not called frame generation to avoid association with the big pharma

>>718886832
Because he is fighting the ocean pollution or something.

wouldn't this make the input lag fucking unbearable going from 30 real frames to 60 and above?

>>718884389
i always thought 60fps anime with svp looked really weird

>>718881552
>constant dips into the 40s

>>718881096 (OP)
Really wish I could get this working with openmw, but running it though zink breaks the graphics almost entirely.

>>718917529
I need it for the pans man.

>>718881096 (OP)
Got any examples

>>718881096 (OP)
https://github.com/xXJSONDeruloXx/decky-lossless-scaling-vk

Decky plugin for any deckCHADs ITT who want to give it a spin.

>>718916196
>>718916249
I'm the only other anon who understands this completely. /v/ is full of retards.

>>718918254
so says the AI slop consoomer

>>718918410
K old man

>>718913527
that's the compatibility layer, not the paid program

The diversion may fool an untrained eye, however, U WIRR NEVER BE REAL FPS
https://files.catbox.moe/pj2r58.mp4

>>718881096 (OP)
maybe i was doing something wrong but this shit had so much input delay i might as well played on
one of those remote cloud gaming pc shiet thing.
i seriously don't get the hype at all

>>718918819
>The diversion
Honestly isn't that what games are about?
webm looks fine to me

>>718919002
have you bothered disabling the framerate limiter?
Some people don't even know that the framerate limiter on the deck adds input lag. They don't even know that mangohud's fps limiter is noticeably better.

>>718919013
you cant be serious

>>718919087
don't have an 'eck was using it on pc

>>718919098
You're making me pause to be able to see that shit. I pity your highly responsive supertrained eyes.

>>718881263
so what is it? Framegen + upscale on top of whatever DLSS/FASS is doing?

oh nvm this is a shill thread, carry on

>>718919002
There's like 20 billion settings on pc
You can even mitigate a lot of that input lag by fucking around with things that are not related to lossless scaling. You can reduce a lot of that by using RTSS for instance. Some people even use a secondary spare GPU for that purpose, although that's a bit overkill.

>>718919536
how are you attacked personally if he is calling out shills
by admitting this youre admitting youre a shill

>>718881096 (OP)
Does this only work as a dlss injector with games that already have in game support for fsr? I'd love to see this on age of wonders 4 for deck

>>718881096 (OP)
It's cool and all, but setting things up for non-steam games (from heroic games launcher for example) is a pain.

>>718881171
Is it really or is anon full of shit? Im getting tired of tracking down 60fps mods

>>718920125
It is, but you need to accept you are using fake frames. It allows any hard locked 30 FPS game to run at 60 FPS with no issues since it's just fake frames.

>>718920125
I tried it with classic Tomb Raider and everything on the screen turned to jello.

>Steam Deck
>It supports Linux now
>The deck version is a decky loader plugin
So you don't even need to buy it for the deck, how does it work on regular linux?

>>718921295
I don't know what decky is but the first instruction on that github page says to purchase Lossless Scaling. I think this is what people are using to run it on desktop Linux, it is mentioned in the reviews on steam

https://github.com/PancakeTAS/lsfg-vk

>>718918819
But Zelda's doesn't use frame gen you retard

>>718921295
you need to own lossless scaling first because what you're doing is effectively running it through dxvk which translates dx11 to vulkan.

>>718881096 (OP)
>Triple AAA titles from 2025 at 60fps
I play games from the 90s in 4K upscaled from whatever DOS screen resolution was

>>718921756
the program in OP isn't frame gen

>>718881096 (OP)
>fake frames, nvidia/amd ;(
>fake frames, lossless scaling :0

>>718922893
Yes becuause our xistors worked on it

You see the problem is when you have brand spanking new GPU that's suppose to be "high tier" where devs urge their consumers to use frame gens to hit fps on new games with new GPU

While in the other side of the spectrum these fake frame gives a bit more mileage on aging or weaker GPU.

>lossless
when is someone going to sue for false advertising?

>>718917481
On FPS or games where you need fast response time yes. you can work with 2x I personally don't feel a huge lag but I get other people can be sensitive to that but when you bump it up to 3x or 4x it's terrible.

>>718923382
The project grew out of it's original scope. Now people recognize is as a frame generator application. I think Magpie still only does upscaling though I haven't kept up with their project.

>>718922893
>>fake frames, nvidia/amd ;(
Try to sell overprice GPU powered by upscale
>>fake frames, lossless scaling :0
7 buck boosting hardware You already own

Does this make Forza Horizon 5 run at 60 fps on the deck?

>>718924961
Yeah

>>718921295
it loads a .dll from the programs folder

>>718881171
Can someone explain how this shit works better than DLSS 3 AI framegen? With this turned on in witcher 3, there's no inventory lag like there is with dlss3 FG.

>>718926637
nvidia want you to buy their new overpriced GPU's and are leveraging their market position to pressure developers to adopt their proprietary tech that only works well on the latest cards to coerce you into buying said new cards

>>718926861
but i paid so much for it. how can a 7 dollar program be better???

>>718881096 (OP)
I still have a LCD... can I play new games?

>>718927209
the difference in performance is like 1fps

Nope. Not buying. Even more so now that I see it actively shilled. I am NOT buying. In fact, I will actively spend my time to tell other people NOT to buy it.

>>718881096 (OP)
Tried it on Marvel Rivals and it felt weird and off.

Should this be used with or without FSR on at the same time?

>>718896614
It's of course a no go for maximizing competitive games, but if your setup is already capable, frame-gen on top of it is actually acceptable in most cases.

I would not use it for a PvP Game, but I would not hesitate for anything like a building/management game, or even a third person shooter that's not ultra sweaty (Earth Defense Force 6 is the last one I tried).

Some games are already gimped in input delays from the get go, so the framegen in top of it is not noticeable if you're not already maxing your specs.

I think I even tried framegen the last EA WRC and it was acceptable as an enthusiast level.
Some other games are so artistically disgusting in motion framegen won't save them (Cyberpunk in my case).

I guess the formula is:
if (fast_motion_clarity_quality >= moderate && input_delay_target > low)
then framegen = OK

>>718920125
30>60 and even 60>120 can look like shit if you pay any attention to the image quality, but it is nice for smoothing things in motion and doesn't risk breaking game physics like mods do.
FPS capped games that don't fully utilize your GPU are the prime use case, either way.

>>718916926
I would use AMD FSR if it was not shit and a pain to activate through their software.

Losless Scaling is so easy to use it's baffling. My only problem is it sometimes crash when I alt tab.

My steamdeck OLED is for pixel and indie games and for that purpose it will last me a while. Still, if you want to play high end games on a deck, just borrow your PC's hardware and stream it to your deck (you do need good connection or it easily d/c). The only scenario where you'll need a beefy handheld is wanting to play a graphically demanding game away from your computer. It just doesn't make sense to buy any handheld other than a deck, unless what they say is true that new handhelds are able to use steam OS or whenever that feature releases. Still the deck has the best ergonomics and OLED screens.

>>718928061
>A pain to activate
You literally just have to set the game below your native resolution...

>>718929057
Nah. Depending on the game, you don't have FSR4, even when it's been made compatible.

So you have to open the laggy adrenalin software, and to weird fuckery their per game to activate FSR4, and then it should show in game, sometimes as a replacement of FSR3 I think.

But see I'm not a retarded person generally. All of this stuff is not made intuitive by AMD, and FSR prior to 4 fucking sucks.
I'd expect any game to detect if FSR4 exists, or maybe replace FSR3 if the game can't add settings.

And that's not speaking about games needing fucking optiscaler or something similar.

Loseless Scaling, you open it, set your FPS target, and press the shortcut in-game. Done.
Even works on Youtube, Movies, Emulation, Twitch... Everytime the same 8 seconds workflow.