Thread 718882225

Genuinely how the fuck is SNK supposed to come back from this? Fatal Fury City of The Wolves was/is one of the biggest flops in Fighting Game history. Maybe in games in-general. They've already been putting out flops, and COTW was their worst one yet, despite having the most marketing any of their products had. They've burned basically all their good-will by now being associated with the Saudis, constantly putting out products with problems like the Online and not as good QOL, still not having a modern product with visuals comparable to the competition, and much, much more. Should they just move on from Fighting Games at this point?

>Fatal Fury City of The Wolves was/is one of the biggest flops in Fighting Game history.
hold my beer

ban steam charts threads

>>718882225 (OP)
So why did COTW fail? Why did it sell far less than the latest KoF?

>>718882354
>nigger on cover
there's your problem

>>718882676
I blame Cristiano Ronaldo. They thought adding a soccer celebrity would attract the soccerfag audience, instead the obvious mismatch just made everyone cringe.

>>718882676
Probably some dumbass saudi marketing team.

>>718882676
>Another SNK product looking mediocre and less visually-impressive than other Fighting Games. Visuals matters the most in Fighting Games more than any other genre
>Gameplay that is "archaic" and "old-school" to the new-blood of FG players that flooded in due to GG Strive and SF6
>The Quality of Life is almost non-existent, COTW doesn't even have the most simple things like a Random Stage Select option
>Not bringing back loved and wanted Fatal Fury characters, but instead, shoving real-life celebs in their game like a bunch of complete retards
>Barely even 0.5% of the fans of said real-life celebs even bought the game, so they angered and turned away their own fanbase for nothing
>SNK putting out games that continue to have problems like the Online being borked stopped some from bothering with their games

And more.

>>718882676
not fun + shitty guest characters + bad online

>>718882676
It was never going to be big. FF doesn't have an indentity. Ask anyone whats unique about Fatal Fury and they'll have no anwser for it.

>KOF XV doing well (for a SNK game)
>Street Fighter 6 completely dominating the technical, footsie-based 1v fighting game niche
>ALLAHU ACKBAR LET'S SLOW DOWN THEN STOP OUR SUPPORT TO KOF XV, AND MAKE A TECHNICAL FOOTSIE-BASED 1v1 GAME FEATURING CRISTIANO RONALDO AND SALVATORE PAGLIACCI, IF WE RUSH IT MAYBE WE CAN RELEASE IT DURING THE THIRD SEASON OF STREET FIGHTER 6 OY GEVALT
>ALSO DON'T FORGET TO MAKE ANDY AND JOE DLC CHARACTERS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE FANS ARE LOOKING FOR THEM

It wasn't the saudis. When KOF XV was released, everybody knew about the saudis and still sold fairly well for an SNK game. COTW failed because it wasn't appealing to the new generation of players gameplay-wise; it was a sequel to a game that was released 25 years ago, the graphics were outdated, and the FGC goodwill was killed when Ronaldo and the DJ were announced. It was basically a string of bad luck.

>>718883645
The game is just not that good

>>718883269
>>Gameplay that is "archaic" and "old-school" to the new-blood of FG players
they plagiarized the drive rush and drive impact. what the fuck are you talking about?

>>718883560
>Ask anyone whats unique about Fatal Fury and they'll have no anwser for it
Street fighter rip-off

>>718882676
>EpigOnlineSpyware.dll
>REQUIRED
>to boot into
By being literal malware.

>>718882225 (OP)
>how the fuck is SNK supposed to come back from this?
They could stop including malware .dll's, for starters...

>>718883645
>still sold fairly well for an SNK game
KOF 15 sold less than Samsho, a franchise they make way less than KOF and has way less exposure. It's also the worst selling modern SNK game only beating COTW.

>>718883120
>Cristiano Ronaldo

It’s a very good high skill ceiling fighting game. It does lack some serious basics like even the character select and the menus are very unintuitive - perhaps the worst I’ve ever seen. I have to say though the actual mechanics and old school gameplay is leagues above anything else in the fighting game space. Just watching it at Evo was much more exciting than every other game there.

>>718884028
>KOF 15 sold less than Samsho
proof?

>>718882676
>So why did COTW fail?
It looks ugly and outdated, it's gameplay contains just about everything wrong with modern fighting game design short of an install character, Soccer Queer and DJ Slavenstein turned off the hardcores and made the game seem like a joke, shitty small roster.

>>718882225 (OP)
the game just sucks sadly

>>718883269
>the Online being borked
The online was bad in one of the betas. The online actually works and functions properly so it's the one problem the game doesn't have.

>>718883279
this
simple as

>>718884538
do the saudis still have jeets running astroturfing or what

>>718884028
A big problem with SNK games is that they rely so much on monkey rushdown giant combo shit. You can't just jump into them and have fun, you have to learn the systems, you have to learn all the different jumps and movement options, you have to learn how to basically ape hop to apply constant pressure and learn how to convert every errant light into giant 45% damage combos and then you're playing mostly against people who have been playing some variation of this type of game going back to at least KoF13 (which is another problem, CotW is a 1v1 KoF game, not an actual Fatal Fury game) so the average newfag is going to start the game up, spend an hour getting stomped and being almost literally unable to do anything and give up in frustration.

SamSho sold well and it was the one game they've made in the last decade that avoided a lot of these traps: low skill floor but high skill ceiling, simple and slower gameplay less based around aggressive rushdown and big combos, etc. But of course they fucked the online up and didn't fix it until the game was dead.

>>718882676
Fatal Fury, and more importantly King of Fighters, has zero brand recognition these days. They basically have to start from scratch because the casual gamer has no clue what these two franchise are. You need the casual gamer audience if you ever want to convert some of them to the intermediate-hardcore crowd that keeps the game alive beyond release month. How to attract casuals you may ask? Hard to say but certainly not with Cristiano Ronaldo. ArcSys did it with immaculate visuals with DBFZ and Strive but I don't think it's as simple as making a good looking game. I personally think Strive fucking sucks yet it's also the most popular GG game ever.

>>718883874
That's World Heroes. FF used to have its two-lane system but Garou removed that.

>>718885475
Strive is weird because Xrd basicially did the same shit. New 3D artstyle with simpler gameplay. Yet Xrd flopped hard and Strive sold alot.
Im guessing they built alot of goodwill with DBZF and got those people ready for their next GG game.
If thats the case SNK need to make a license fighting game instead of using their stale IPs

>>718885475
For KoF they need to update the visuals (make them at least Persona quality to set it apart some from ArcSys but not going the ugly realism route of Capcom) and more importantly they need to completely overhaul the gameplay. Deemphasize the combos, make the movement and pressure more intuitive, allow for actual playstyles that aren't "run and hop around in the opponent's face as you fish for jump heavies or crouching lights" i.e. let zoners play like zoners and shit. The ugly visuals that look at least a generation behind and the legacy play style that appeals only to Mexicans are the biggest hurdles their games have.

Complete shit 3D engine that puts off normies because it looks like a mid-budget janky PS4 game.

2D was too expensive after KOF13, so they went 3D, but KOF didn't translate well with low budget and accompanying lack of talent.

Saudi's were hoodwinked or are genuine inbred dumbasses, they were apparently expecting massive sales.

>>718885475
>>718886018
>with simpler gameplay
Xrd still has weights, unique gatlings, unique backdashes, wakeup timings, face up/down wakeups, no blocking out of dash without FD, YRC eats your inputs, and that's just scraping the surface
I don't really see how Xrd is a lot more simple than XX, the only thing XX seems to have over Xrd is how fucked up FRCs can be to execute

Strive on the other hand didn't make just make it "easier" (eg. damage/character complexity), it's more streamlined
Weights are gone, dash blocking is easy, your oki's the same on everyone, backdashes don't go above 6F invuln
You just immediately start playing the game instead of dealing with a mountain of unique edge cases, most characters are easy to pick up and understand how to play against

>>718882225 (OP)
Who the hell plays fighting games on PC?

Perhaps it's time to bring their good series back.

>>718882676
When was the last FF game? KoF at least had consistency despite SNK's financial issues. I think its just that simple, its not a recognized IP and isn't doing the numbers of one. I don't understand why the hate for the game, its fine, but these guys would have you believe its the worst thing to happen to fighting games since MvCi.

As a fightanfag who was defending the game on release and thought it was okay at first, I'm so tired of the FGCnigs fellating it constantly saying it's "sooo deep"
When in reality it's
>ex move > ex move > ex move > super
slop
KOF had shitty ezbake combos too but COTW takes it to a whole new level and it's tiresome. Plus there's no excuse for Geese, Joe, Blue Mary and Kim not being there from the start. Geese is already fucking complete in game for fucks sake.

>>718886018
>>718887348
what made Strive way more successful was the netcode being better than ever than their previous games. no mystery really.

>>718887450
every time I bring this up as one of my favs to actual fighting game autists and tryhards I get laughed at.

>>718887782
rollback updates to Xrd/BBCF didn't bring in a significant number of players

>>718887697
3 of those weren't in Garou so it's not really a big stretch they weren't included.

>>718882225 (OP)
This is just normal for SNK. Their last 2 games didn't even have working online and people pretended to play them anyways.

>>718887697
It has its own shortcomings but it's just so far and away better than the contemporaries in that regard

>>718887969
When you can only compare a game to trash then, well, it's trash.

>>718888116
so you had a bone to pick with a vocal minority liking it because everything is trash?

>>718887891
Ronaldo and DJ Salvatore weren't in Garou either. Didn't stop SNK from putting them into COTW, launch-roster at that.

>enjoying the game
>only time /v/ brings it up is to shit on it for flopping it, calling it ugly or saying that the gameplay isn't good actually
>can't even bring it up in general fighting game threads without getting shit on

I do find it kind of funny though that /v/ is now saying that KOFXV was so much better because this place was doing the exact same thing with that game when it came out. Although that one was more understandable since that one had jacked up online functionality for over a year.

Don't fucking make a game and put two guest characters in the base roster that are 100 times worse than the guest characters that will be dlc. Also don't make it look mediocre either. Knew shit was fucked when I saw that Mai and b jenet were the two least played girls(of which there are only 4), and two of the least played overall characters next to vox and the 2 guest characters no one wanted.

>>718886097
>All they need to do is make KOF but overhaul the graphics and make it play nothing like KOF
You're not wrong, but I hate that this is the only remaining path for fighting games that want to make it "big".

Wouldn't shock me if KOF16 is made for the dumbest of motherfuckers and does better than anything previous. Then /v/ will do the thing where they pretend to be longtime KOF fans and grieve over another series being dumbed down for the modern audience.

>>718886018
I never understand how anyone can sincerely say Xrd failed when the company itself said it was a success. This was before the second boom of fighters. Of course it didn't do Strive numbers, because Strive numbers were STREER FIGHTER FOUR level of fucking numbers. That shit is RARE. If there was a fighting game at that time that did that, it would've had to've been god's gift to video games, or a fucking anime game. You people are so retarded.

>>718889506
/v/ loves to glorify the good old days of Third Strike and Bloody Roar, but neglect to mention that fighting games were actually on death's door at that point. There has never and will never be an audience for that "old school" shit. It's no surprise that SNK keeps failing when they still seem to mentally be stuck in the 90s, entire company needs a shake up so that they can properly reboot everything.

>>718883908
>>EpigOnlineSpyware.dll
>>REQUIRED
>>to boot into
>By being literal malware.
What the FUCK are you talking about?

>>718883642
>>Street Fighter 6 completely dominating the technical, footsie-based 1v fighting game niche
>technical, footsie-based
Absolutely fucking grim.

>>718890169
This board really hates CotW and keeps making shit up about it. Like the anons saying the online doesn't work when it's been good since day 1.

>>718890352
I hate the "ghetto" feel of SF6 but sadly, it is as it is.

>>718883642
>LET'S SLOW DOWN THEN STOP OUR SUPPORT TO KOF XV
>ALSO DON'T FORGET TO MAKE ANDY AND JOE DLC CHARACTERS
That was absolutely cruel from them. KOF XV was doing okay, we got denied of Shen Woo. Now KOF XV is death because all support was cut and COTW was born dead.
Joe and Andy were teased in one of the first COTW promotionals, but that was a cheap lie, SNK decided to keep those character locked behind DLC.
Screw them.

>>718890807
"Locked behind DLC" is very literally true, but it also sounds like you are forced to pay extra for them, which you don't.

>>718882676
I could explain it but I'm very tired.

They fired their CEO and almost certainly cancelled all the old IP revivals they were working on.

>>718887426
Even on consoles it flopped, Anon.

>>718882676
Nobody under 30 cares about fighting games. It's an incredibly niche genre. It's like point and click games in 2025 but few are willing to accept this.

>>718892395
>It's like point and click games in 2025 but few are willing to accept this.
I know communicating without using hyperbole is VERY difficult but please settle the fuck down.

>>718887886
Well, yeah: Those are old and weren't Day-0 Rollback. No shit nobody was going to play those.

>>718885328
God forbids anyone have a good opinion on the game at all.

>>718882225 (OP)
1. saudis basically bankroll SNK now so theyre allowed to operate at a loss
2. fatal fury/KOF main fanbase are mexicans, south americans, and chinese who play offline

>>718882676
Ronaldo and the DJ.

SNK fell so far from its glory days, all its talent moved on to other studios by this point. It's just a shadow of its former self trying desperately to hold on by releasing shovelware nostalgiabait cashgrabs now

>>718892430
Where's the lie? Go look up sales charts from the 90's? Point and click games topped every single PC sales chart monthly. It was THE genre on PC in the 90s. The 90s was also when fighting games were relevant. Nobody cares about them now except a very tiny niche community.

The only fighters still around are the 30 year legacy IP surviving purely on brand recognition. And you get a handful of incredibly popular licensed IP that have a strong enough fanbase even normies will dip their toes into for like 2 weeks. Like Dragonball. But Tekken and Street Fighter can only scrape about 4 million sales in 1-2 years and that's with the game being 50%+ off. That's actually pathetic in today's gaming market. These are the top fighting game IP of all time. They can BARELY sell 4 million copies. And 99% of those sales stop playing after 2 weeks.

You're fucking delusional if you think fighting games aren't an incredibly niche, underperforming, barely profitable genre. Normies don't care, zoomers don't care about the genre they see it as boomer shit.

>>718882676
Ronaldo.

That was the moment I decided I wouldn't buy it, and it was also the exact moment where /v/ who was hyping up the game until then, turned coat.
I speak by my own experience because I ain't playing a fightan to have fucking Ronaldo pop up against me online.

Fuck that.

>>718892798
I am not saying they are not niche you idiot, I am saying that claiming they are AS niche as point and click in fucking 2025 is retarded.

>>718882676
Ronaldo.

>>718882676
Ignore everyone else. It bombed because the game is a complete sausagefest, and the few female characters it does have are lame as shit. Mai is better in SF6, B. Jenet is better in KoFXV, Hotaru is bland and boring and Preecha is putrid dog shit. Fuck it, the roster overall is shit, Fatal Fury just has dog shit characters. Which is why the series was dead for decades and every semi-decent character found their way into KoF. I have no idea what SNK was thinking when they decided to revive a niche series when they're already a niche developer. The season pass is absolute trash too.

>>718889506
Modern KoF doesn't even play like KoF '98. There's always been pressure and rushdown but the modern style of constant continuous pressure fishing for big combos goes back to 13. There's no issue with slowing the game back down to '98 levels and deemphasizing the need for every random light to turn into a huge combo.

>>718892965
They absolutely are. Myst sold 6,000,000 copies back in the day on one platform, when only 30% of households even had a PC.

Street Fighter 6, the most popular fighting game IP has sold 5 million in 2 years at 50% off. On 4 platforms with a user base of 300,000,000+

>>718887697
The entire game is just using Hotaru/Hokuto to do pressure that's way too hard for 99% of people to counterplay (SNKfags will go HURR JUST LEARN HYPER DEFEND THAT NOT EVEN PROS CAN DO CONSISTENTLY IT AIN'T HARD) or Kaine who is effectively playing a different game from everyone else. Hell the big balance patch didn't actually seem to do anything but nerf Billy a couple of spots. Kaine/Hokuto/Hotaru are still busted.

>>718882676
i'll explain
-its garou 2
-it doesn't play like garou 1
-it doesn't have the good graphics of garou 1
-its missing 3 characters from garou 1, two of which WERE THE MOST PLAYED CHARACTERS IN GAROU 1
-salvatore ganacci was a duck king clone, and replaces duck king
-cristiano ronaldo was accused of rape, so the game took a heavy hit from normalfags. only soccer fans know him. soccer is gay to everyone else
-all the female designs took a hit. jenet's face got busted. mai was censored. kain has gay hair now.

idk its not the garou sequel anyone wanted.
we even have super old LEAKED GAROU 2 ASSETS and they didn't use any of it.

>>718892975
rip zina. gone but also forgotten.

>>718893787
OK, and how many copies are Point and Click games selling this decade?
Which ones are the most popular and how many copies have they sold in the past 5 years?

>>718882225 (OP)
reminder this is after it restored a peak of 1,000+ after goodwill from evo, meaning that many more people tried it or picked it back up, just to put it down again (I'm one of them)
>how the fuck is SNK supposed to come back from this?
a new KoF that actually builds off what Samsho had going on and doesn't look like shit

>>718894292
>builds off what Samsho had going on
>what Samsho had going on
What would that be?

>>718893339
>Mai is better in SF6
No one is better in SF6

>>718894376
Mai is the only exception.

>>718894336
actually looking pretty nice
I blame CotW's shitty backgrounds. the BGs make up a ton of what you're looking at in a fighting game. fatal fury looks way better on stages without the lego men, like Geese's tower.

>>718882225 (OP)
>dude what if custom combos but it's just doing EX into other EX over and over and you have access to all of it so there's hardly any variation in how it's applied in the context of a match
>huh? yeah sure, is it lunch yet

>>718893339
Nah, it was Ronaldo.

>>718892907
Reddit spacing. Kys resetera tranny

>>718882225 (OP)
>Should they just move on from Fighting Games at this point?
Nobody will give a shit about nu-SNK's output, fighting game or not. They are not the same company they once were in the 90s. All of the talented devs went to other studios, the current SNK is a washed up kusoge factory.

I bought it for Salvatore I'm not disappointed and that's all that matters

>>718892756
>all its talent moved on to other studios
If I recall a bunch of them straight up moved to arcsys as well after that bankruptcy lmao.

>>718887450
Based, but even more niche. And they'd fuck it up too; SF6 and Tekken have shown the world that 60fps, full quality animation - not artificially stilted and drawn-fx motion is required to be considered passable, and SNK has thus far shown it won't apply full effort.

>>718892395
>Evo 2025 sees 8,541 entrants signed up for the big event from 64 different countries.
1. Street Fighter 6 - 4,228
2. Tekken 8 - 2,521
3. Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves - 1,576
Not bad, but it looks like it needs some good marketing.
4. Guilty Gear Strive - 1,508
5. Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising - 936
6. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 - 570
7. Under Night In-Birth 2 - 547
8. Mortal Kombat 1 - 377

>>718886018
Ironic weebs are the reason Strive sold. It just came in the right time where anime popularity exploded due to covid, and it felt like The Anime GameTM which means it’s optimal to buy it.
Notice how most are actually character fans and not GG fans (Bridget makes my identity valid). Strive has no popularity in Japan for pro FG players, it’s only fans are troons.
Arcsys knows those people won’t come back for a new Guilty Gear because they don’t care about gameplay but aesthetics and Strive already checks all the boxes, which is why they’re not making a new one and decided to go with Marvel.

I've been in denial but it'd be a lie if I said my heart didn't sink when I first got my hands on CotW beta 1 expecting it to control as clean as MotW. I figured they HAD to know the importance of prioritizing that, but no, they said, "we have to imitate Street Fighter harder."

Also rev accel sucks my balls, Maybe if performing them actually took some finesse, had some speed to them, but you spend most of them just waiting for one move animation to play out to interrupt it with another then repeat. MAYBE if you didn't have full meter for them round start, so that there could be some decision making going with how you applied it, but no, another area where they said, "let's do what Street Fighter did."

I genuinely think it's better than SF6 and pretty fun at its best, but these are things that put me off from playing it.

>>718894553
The ugly UI with half the screen taken up by gauges and shit doesn't help either.

>>718883120
the only people it made cringe were the people who were paying too much attention in the first place
most normal people just looked at cotw and thought it was an ugly unfun looking game, and that's the harsh secret snk MARKS don't want you to understand
snk marks just want to believe the game was sabotaged by outside forces like ronaldinho or whatever, but that's only the nerds who reacted to him that way and nerds are too insignificant a portion to matter

>>718890726
Yeah nobody calls the nigger cock sucking in it.

(((realistic british female)))

>>718895039
based t.

>>718894457
Literally like comparing a ps2 game to a high end PC.
Anyone who says it’s anything other than graphics is retarded. Ronaldo fans didn’t buy it for Ronaldo, because he doesn’t look like Ronaldo.

The problem with fighting games is that you gotta devote all your time to one in order to get good at them. Nobody is gonna leave SF or Tekken to go to this game.

>>718895946
You never owned a PS2, please shut the fuck up.
SF6 looks like SHIT, Mai is -LITERALLY- the only good looking character in that piece of shit.
Retards and casuals will argue that it looks great because they fucking love the photo realism meme, but Capcom's attempt to combine realistic textures with anime characters looks uncanny and repulsive.
SOME characters in CotW also look like shit but as a whole the game is infinitely more appealing than Dix.

>>718895417
It sold because it was nice to play online compared to anything else with it's netcode and instant rematches, it's simple to learn and play(especially compared to the previous entry that was known and made fun of for how many secondaries it has because of it's difficulty) and looks good you retard not because of ironic weebs or whatever dumb shit. And strive is the 3rd most popular fighting game in Japan among pros right after Tekken, with many being pros that played Xrd along with the newblood pros it brought in/made.

cotw is what you get when you hire developers of PETZ https://www.mobygames.com/person/414257/shiho-kimata/

>>718895494
Oda is the man who made SF4, also FF was solely created to rival SF, albeit from the same creator, AoF was explicitly created to clone SF, to the point Capcom addressed SNK directly by creating Dan to mock AoF. SNK’s whole purpose is to copy Capcom.
Their only successful franchises were KoF and SamSho, because they didn’t try to copy SF. Yet they never learned from this.

>>718887450
Sex with Yuki and Akari

>>718896154
CotW is dead. You don't need to shill it anymore.

>>718896010
I am actually aware of people who left Tekken to come to this game

>>718896154
I owned a ps2 you underage faggot, but you probably only played kusoge on emulator which is why you think all the games looked blurry and ugly

>>718895779
Because that'd be like you and that other retard whining about sf3 being "nigger cock sucking".

>>718882225 (OP)
>>718882676
I was waiting for Mr. Karate, who will probably never come since its flopping, the few dlc characters we are getting are taking decades to come out.
>>718883279
Don't forget ugly as shit
>>about my shinkaro faithfulness
Exactly why it looks like trash

>>718896338
I am much more interested in stopping people from saying SF6 looks good than in saying positive things about CotW

I keep thinking Fatal Fury is that fighting game where you turn into animals but that's Bloody Roar.

>>718896338
>noooo what if we advertise at another wwe ple???? is there a big football event coming up???? let's put the fatal fury logo in the middle of the stadiumu!!!

>>718896396
>l-look! I posted a picture from a PS2 game and called you underage! that means I am totally not a zoomie
Nice try zoomie.

>>718896154
>but as a whole the game is infinitely more appealing
explains why the game sold like hotcaOH WAIT it sold like shit and only got more people to buy it after a discount LMAO

>>718882225 (OP)
Why didn't Hispanics like this game? I still see them play old ass KOF games (and they even make tournaments) but not this one

>>718896494
that would have been fatal furry

>>718896154
CotW looks better aesthetically than SF6, but it also looks far cheaper. Turns out people want expensive-looking games to complement their expensive new video game systems, to make them feel like they had a reason to buy it.

>>718896632
snk marks refuse to talk about that with all the narratives about how snk just isn't popular only in america and this game is totally being played in south america

>>718896574
Yeah, that's very cool and all but Dix still looks fucking repugnant.

>>718896165
Ironic weeb got mad.
YWNBAW

Alright, I don't feel so tired anymore, so let's see if I can't answer your question and someone can screencap it for future reference. >>718882676
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>>718883908
>>718884876
>>718892395
>>718893339
These are all wrong and retarded. Let's break it down.
I personally remember being ecstatic for a new Garou. Admittedly, I'm a bit of a poser; I played the first one pretty briefly all things considered. I'm a loner and no one I know likes fighters as much as me or sucks at them. You know how it is.
There was definitely some traction around it, and even with all the concerns surrounding the game living up to a 20+ year legacy, and retards frothing at the mouth over Mai's redesign, there was still some momentum for City. However, that all changed when Ronaldo was announced for the game.
Now let it be known that SNK's audience is memed to be mainly mexicans, and there's some legitimate proof behind this despite all the shitposting. Go look it up, that's another explanation I won't cover this time. But since SNK was now funded by a saudi prince who is a major fucking dork, either he thought this would be a good idea since spanish people also love soccer or he's just that much of a faggot for Ronaldo which would be weird. (Keep in mind this guy also created and owns Ronaldo's fan club. Yes really.)
But to most fightan players, yes it was ridiculous, but there was that funny side of "ahh mexican players will like this" and we didn't think TOO much of it.
But then Salvatore's trailer hit. Can you guess what connections he has? (Granted, Salvatore didn't explicitly ask to be in the game and is overall innocent.)
I remember feeling a mix of frustration and surprise when this dropped, and many felt the same. Hell, if you want proof, the Sal trailer has more dislikes than the Ronaldo one. Sure, you got a soccer player for the memes - but there's no excuses this shit. No one asked for this. Except for the one person who was funding the game with his blood money.

>>718894376
Faggot.

That said, Ken is kino, Joe and Chunner will be kino too.

>>718882676
Because they invested too much on marketing and le football man instead of investing in better graphics for their PS2 game.

>>718896909
How does she look ten times worse than in XV? She looks like a hag now, the nails aren't helping

>>718882225 (OP)
Calling garou 2 fatal fury: city of the wolves is such a shit marketing move. It's more shitty engrish naming sense, like releasing a new street fighter and calling it world warriors: street of the punching men.

>>718897240
All Fatal Fury are called Garou in Japan.

>>718897302
They're Garou Densetsu, with it being abbreviated for MotW to just "Garou" and sharing that with the West. And I agree with that guy, it's a better name.

>>718897210
pls, she's a (((realistic british female)))

>>718897348
>MotW
Shit game btw, RB and RB Special were both better.

>>718896632
1. Hispanics mostly only give a shit and kof
2. It was too expensive for them and most 3rd world countries
3. It doesn't look very good or interesting.
4. Snk has been losing ground in even South America recently. Younger people there mostly give more of a shit about mk, SF or even strive with how anime and good looking it is.

>>718897647
Nah, this has been the "le enlightened" take for a while now and I'm here to tell you to fuck off with it. MotW is good. Real Bout is good too.

>>718897736
Garou is a good street fighter game. RB and RB Special are good Fatal Fury games.

>>718897096
>>718882676
And after Sal got revealed all the wind out of this game got sucked right out of its sails. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the first beta came out before the trailer, and people were already kind of on edge about the game because it seemed very hard to approach in a not so good way. But having TWO guest characters, like two or so new characters who were expies of existing characters and looked like dog shit, not all of the characters from the first game returned, more and more people saw the writing on the wall and just dipped. Only the true hardcore fans and bored people stuck around. But by then the damage was done.
So now the game's released. There's at least gameplay footage to sell to casuals, but numbers kept dropping. Why is this?
To start, let's begin with how the game looks visually. Personally, I don't think the game looks BAD or mediocre like other anons here will tell you. They're being completely contrarian. The game objectively does not look bad. But it DOES look pretty uninteresting. It's hard to tell what exactly they wanted to do with the art direction, because some of it screams "stylized american comics", but the models were much more smooth and pretty but also trying to have some kind of realism to it. It's a visual crisis on all levels that wasn't present in a game like KOF15 or SamSho which have more distinct looks, and 15 is just a typical UE game if I recall. City doesn't look like "Garou" at all. Garou had a much more stylized, gritty, down to earth look. But there's nothing specifically that City does to stand out. It feels like an exec threw a dart on a board to find out what they thought would appeal to normies.

>>718897780
That much is fair. I guess it depends on how much you associate line sway with an identity for the series. For my time with RB2, it was just kind of there. I didn't hate it, but I didn't feel like it actually added anything too meaningful. Always made me wonder how Dominated Mind plays. I think I read somewhere White is like the only Fatal Fury character not so much as referenced anywhere in CotW?

>>718882676
Suadi idiocy and arrogance. Ronaldo and literally who were a mistake

>>718897806
>And after Sal got revealed all the wind out of this game got sucked right out of its sails.
yeah, the small wind it had remaining that is
there really wasn't much for sal to suck by the time the small snk penis had already blown its load

>>718897902
He and Freeman are the coolest and would’ve resonated with zoomers, yet are not in CotW. Shows how out of touch SNK is.

>>718897994
no they wouldn't
they would have still looked at the game and said the game looked dull af or ugly and dated like a ps2 game

I played the beta, and there were too many systems and mechanics, so I didn't buy it. I could just go back and play SF6 if I wanted a game like that.

>>718897994
Have zoomers seen A Clockwork Orange?

>>718896632
Hispanics never paid money for kof, they play 2002 on fightcade on dell workstations.

>>718898083
zoomers are on tiktok just clowning on each other while trying to flex themselves and look too cool for caring with their zoomer haircuts while the zoomer females talk about what's "ick" about guys they don't like and how all men must give them all their money just for being female on a first date

>>718898083
Yes but not as much as other classics that resurfaced

>>718897806
>>718897096
The next thing is the gameplay, which is not really that interesting to look at visually, and a lot harder to do physically. The game's mechanics feel very slapdashed but also really tight for the sake of difficulty, not for execution and reward. Not to mention the blatant mechanic stealing in Accel being their own version of Drive Rush. I still don't know why they thought that was a good idea. But the point is the game not only looks but comes across as very uninspired and lazy. At least Garou's saving grace was the beauty of the sprites. Now that it's gone, you have nothing but a wolf chasing the phantom of glory.
So, is there a chance for this game to be revived? Honestly, I don't know. SNK has never had popular games and it seems like they either don't know how to make it popular or are so stuck in their own design philosophies and are fine with the way things are. But with this much money being poured into them, I'd be concerned if they were complacent.
I feel like there's too much working against City to be successful for a wider audience and that having it be more noticed would require a bit of gameplay changes and definitely a visual change. But who knows, maybe fucking Chun Li coomers will come in and save the day or something...

snk spent more money on one game's marketing than they have ever made off sales in their nu-snk business lives
that's why they're now owned by an infinite money sowdey prince

get this, there were some people convinced that ken would bring people back to play the game, and i warned them that it would be all but a transient boost and go right back to equilibrium not too soon after

HATE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SAY (sike i love it)

>>718898517
TOLD YOU SO*

>>718897101
Seeing Juri side to side with Mai just highlights how bad the base roster of 6 looks.

>>718882676
>So why did COTW fail? Why did it sell far less than the latest KoF?
It doesn't look good. Style means a lot in fighting games, since you only have characters fighting so style has to be important. Too many characters look like weebs, or fags or like they don't belong in their own setting. One character is a nearly naked wrestler, an other character is an overly dressed fag with long hair and bright colors.
Theme and style is too mismatched, they don't look like they exist in the same world.

Why does every thread involving SNK in any way always have that one ESL that types in the same, easily-recognizable format, while posting the same pictures all the time?

>>718895417
>which is why they’re not making a new one and decided to go with Marvel.
They are not making a new one because they are releasing more strive characters, working on strive still, and making a new update to strive that they are releasing and working on the same year tokon comes out since strive is one of their two most successful games.

why are snk games' popularity always attributed to the esls in sudacaland, but when you criticize snk, you're all of a sudden an esl, which categorically places you with said snk's notorious fanbase, despite you shitting on snk, like suddenly snk is more popular in america now lmao

when something they previously criticized another game like street fighter for is done in an snk game, all of a sudden such an act is defensible in the minds of an snkfag, and it's now considered to them as a "business norm"

snk MARKS are such flipflops that lazy women wear them on the way to the grocery store

they switch their viewpoints on what's acceptable in fighting games more often than john kerry switched political perspectives

>>718898859
It’s 4 years old. Stop coping faggot tranny.

SNK is a dead company that literally has no fanbase.

The so called fanbase of SNK only plays their 90's games.

May as well ask where are the magnavox odysey and Atari fans as well.

>>718899234
how is it a cope to just make dlc
the small tiny snk fanbase WISHES kofxv had 4 years in it
but i guess when your series used to be the indie level madden of fighting games, you get yourself cinched in with impatient yearly expectations of a new game with recycled assets

>>718898890
>>718898759
>>718899115
>>718899283
Here's your (you)

>>718899813
thanks! i will cherish it with all my heart

>>718899234
Yeah 4 years old and it already has more characters than Xrd did 4 years after sign so what makes you think it won't last longer too?

>>718882225 (OP)
They don't. Fighting games just doesn't have room for more than one 2D slop and one 3D slop. There best chance was an SvC3 but if they put even a hint different styles or something that require more than 30 minutes of learning then it would fail too. Fighting game community does not want a game where you have to learn spacing or think or learn combos. Just give them all flash and no substance.

see what i mean
snkfags have a victim complex because their company just can't keep up, but somehow it's other companies' faults that their company sucks at developing and appealing to modern levels

>>718897096
>These are all wrong and retarded.
>Having Malware
>is wrong
LMAO. No, it has malware. Sorry you want Timmy Tencents dick in your ass on all your STEAM PURCHASED TITLES, but I DON'T.

And the very FACT that removing that .dll means the game won't boot means it's MALWARE.

Fuck off.

>>718899896
I genuinely don't understand HOW they fucked up with jenet like they did when the other girls have perfectly fine faces even if hotaru is clearly the one they put the most actual effort into. That and managing to make Mai and her as unpopular with the actual players. jenet is as unpopular as goddamn vox and Ronaldo what the fuck snk?

>>718882676
when street fighter succeeds, everyone else starves

>>718898101
It's just a technically correct label to say they're fans but useless from growing the business for SNK.

This is why I don't like people saying Central and South America are huge KOF fans. . . they're only fans of specific fightcade KOF's. They don't respond for Mitenkun and any other new characters because they don't know them well enough and never will.

If they don't spend any money, how can SNK possibly farm them. They're useless to them.

I would posit they literally cannot and will not spend money because they're already too poor and just emu play on their toasters. PS3/4 was $1000 USD in Brazil at one point. A mid graphics card + mid CPU to play their 3D kof's are out of their range too. There will never be enough people in that region to get enough traction for online play on steam/console. So it's a self-fulfilling cycle of not-buying modern hardware and they're stuck on Fightcade.

>>718896632
Beans only gave a shit about KoF 2002 machines that were modded to have infinite super meters so they could pretend they were playing DBZ with "badass" characters like Iori and K' and others that appeal to their macho bullshit.

>>718900739
They rushed the game so some characters look fucked up. Ronaldo only had his arcade mode recently

>>718901337
Something about Ronaldo just screams fake to me. I feel like dude has some serious skeletons in his closet.

>>718901406
they're so macho with their sticc arms kek

>>718897647
Yeah, instead of going for LE EPIC REAL GAMER TOURNAMENT GAME they should have made something closer to Real Bout 2. Very fun, very easy I think for a newer player to get into because it's not all that complicated, pretty well balanced to the point where you'll see even low tier characters like Tung get use. Also the playstyle would give it it's own identity. CotW just feels like a shitty, watered down blend of modern KoF and SF6.

>>718901337
>If they don't spend any money
it's funny that you bring that up, because when i criticized kofxv's dlc bullshit with recycled assets, i'm suddenly called a poorfag
but when an snk game isn't able to sell well in the TOTALLY AN SNK HOMELAND WHERE PEOPLE LOVE SNK TO DEATH AND AREN'T JUST PIRATING EVERY GAME BY THEM AND ONLY PLAYING THREE OF THEIR GAMES ON FC, it's because the price is too high thanks to some regional pricing issues
who's the poorfag, again?

>>718901337
>This is why I don't like people saying Central and South America are huge KOF fans. . . they're only fans of specific fightcade KOF's.
In fact, the LatAm fanbase should be ignored entirely. Price the games lower for them and that's it. LatAms pirate everything, they don't buy shit. They played KoF because the games were easy to find some pirated rom dumped in an arcade cab or download pirated roms to run on MAME or Kawaks or now Fightcade or whatever. They don't buy the games so stop trying to cater to them.

>>718882225 (OP)
Boy, its sure a good thing they wasted money on shill ass shit like the soccer and DJ fags being added as characters to help with sales and promote the game to retards who had no interest in buying the game in the first place.

Mai was wasted on Dix.
I wish she was the guest character in Granblue instead of 2B

>>718883560
Retard. Fatal Fury (not MotW) had a very strong identity of something akin to a classic 80s martial arts/action film. FF3 in particular straight up feels like Big Trouble in Little China. Its MotW that lacked an identity by trying to do a Street Fighter 3 next generation roster push, and CotW follows up on that. They should have done a full spiritual remake of one of the early games and fully embraced its 80s action movie inspiration.

>>718892907
This. Similar reasons why i skipped on Sonic Racing Transformed. I hate these types of corporate cocksucking cross brands so much.

So is cotw a shit game or not, because I keep hearing that it's the best modern fighter but this threads makes the game sound like shit.

>>718893339
The irl guest character shits should have been dlc and have the season pass nigs in the base games.

>>718902806
It doesn't matter how many times you post the exact same thing it will never be true. That would be a complete and utter waste putting any other guest characters in that boring, sub strive, baby piece of shit granblue. Same with Tekken 8.

>>718903415
>put Mai in Dix
>she is literally the only character that doesn't look like puke
>in order to play her, you would have to play Dix
Sounds like a waste to me.

>>718903108
The funny part about them wanting to make their own SF3 with MotW is that SF3 bombed and yet they still pursued it because by that point they were more concerned with trying to push the Neo Geo to its graphical limits. Honestly I think RBS/RB2 are way nicer looking games than MotW. Way better art direction, better colors, every character pops and stands out, infinitely better music too. I think those late era Noise Factory games like RotD, Sengoku 3 and Matrimelee look better than MotW too as does Last Blade. MotW is basically "l-look we can do SF3 animation too" but I find everything else about the game bad and that includes the gameplay. I guess it's fine if you want to play a knockoff SF3 but I don't.

>>718903980
>Honestly I think RBS/RB2 are way nicer looking games than MotW
Same, I am genuinely amazed by how well they hold up.

>>718903980
RBS/2 were great and had the same comic book look to them that the SF Alpha games had going for them.

>>718903674
Granblue is genuinely worse. 100 times more mind numbing, 10 times more sleep inducing. Shit is the game for people who thought strive was too complex and had too much to keep track of.

>>718882354
2xko wont be on steam, so you wont be able to use steam charts.

>>718904274
kek
Steam chart zoomies BTFO preemptively.

>>718904250
Whatever you say pal.

>>718894457
Listening to fat, old women and genital mutilators on reddit really brought in the sales.

>when the game gets brought up on /v/ it's lol dead game flop flop flop threads and players are laughed at
>when the game gets brought up anywhere else players are shamed for playing rapist felony fighter

It's cringe to admit, but the internet has successfully bullied me away from trying to talk about this game online.

>>718903108
>FF3 in particular straight up feels like Big Trouble in Little China.
that movie never crossed my mind at all with ff3
and that's hilarious because the one game that actually makes a big case for such a reference is mortal kombat and that's especially because of raiden

>>718904490
and need i forget, goro, and shang tsung

>>718904460
And that's a good thing.
You should feel like shit for wasting your time with a dead shitty fighting game.

>>718904274
i don't really care about 2XKO, but thank fucking God for this. of all the genres to play "who has the biggest player count" over, it's super annoying watching fighting game players argue which of their sub-25k player games is the most popular. motherfuckin' Roblox fighting games probably have higher player counts than Steam fighting games.

>>718904490
Yeah MK also certainly took influences from it. Most FF3 players never know about the far east mysticism plot going on with it until they reach the final leg of it.

>>718904460
That's retarded Anon.
Just ignore faggots like that other retard who replied to you and talk about whatever the fuck you want.

>>718904460
based internet

>>718904752
>Most FF3 players never know about the far east mysticism
why is that specific to big trouble thobeit
it has one guy in a ricehat who doesn't come off as a character inspired by any of the three lords in the movie
neither do the jin twins
i've once thought at some point that terry kind of had that rugged trucker look like jack but that's also fatal fury 1 and not specific to 3 and it is a very loose association
is it that all chinese rook arike

mortal kombat is very on the nose and the devs even admitted it straight up

like noone can deny that shang tsung is lopan and goro is that weird monster guy who rides jack's truck in the ending

It confuses me the way some people think Capcom made sf6 the way it is because women, trannies or whatever the fuck and not because they simply wanted to the same way they simply wanted to make sf3, sf4 and sf5 they were(good riddance to ono). Like this is one of the guys in charge he likes Kimberly the way Kimberly is and he like hip hop and shit. And they know many others do, so much like sf3 they just did what they felt would work, but unlike sf3 without being so retarded that they'd make the game like sf3 or get rid of the characters that actually matter like the world warriors so it worked.

I don't trust the fgc with playing good games because those niggers unironically play temu8 and soive (I haven't played sf6 but it looks hella mid too)

>>718905124
if only kim didn't have that elmyra duff ass face
not a fan of that hairstyle but they need some character uniqueness so i'm not going to dock points for it

>>718895417
this is hyper true unfortunately, /ggg/ is so dead because no one actually cares for the game

>schizo makes thread to say the same shit he is sperging for years in /neog/
>brings the same unfunny cringe memes he made it
>nobody gives him the attention. so he start to speak to himself
>returns to /neog/ to repeat the same process
funny way to spend the weekend for you, i guess

>>718903219
bro you think people on /v/ play fighting games?

>>718905124
Capcom very literally stated that they adhere to ESG guidelines, they made it a whole thing.
Pretending that had nothing to do with the current direction they are taking and the character designs in SF6 is just... being willfully delusional.
I know that's a core requisite for being a SF6 fan but come the fuck on.

>>718902806
I don't want Capcom or their characters anywhere near ArcSys.

>>718904250
I don't know, man. I've still got Granblue as my number 1 this gen because it has the best art style, the most generous monetization, a great soundtrack, and has the least offensive universal systems. Everybody else kinda crashed the fuck out. Tekken went too far with Heat and the S2 patch, SF went from 6 character seasons of characters you could buy with in-game currency in SFV to charging you like $39.99 for Premium Character Passes that only feature 4 characters + the RE Engine is hideous + the OST sucks + the Drive System is brain-addled Cocomelon tier low attention span nonsense + World Tour and Avatars are a waste of resources, Strive has a hideous user interface, and CotW crashed before takeoff by adding celebrities as playable characters.

When everybody else is shooting themselves in the foot, I've gotta stick with Granblue for the solid and consistent fundamentals it gets right.
Do I wish it had more sauce and flashy combos? Absolutely. But I wouldn't trade the art direction, 2 characters per Season, or exchange the universal mechanics for the Drive or Heat systems' to get those flashier combos.

>>718905342
that's funny because you're paying attention
on that note it's also pretty funny that i have plenty of (You)s here and there, one i will even cherish with all my heart

this gen of fighting games is so bad, literally nothing good

>>718905124
Hey dumb nigger. Capcom's on record to making the game different for mass appeal.
Your response?

>>718905342
being chronically present enough to even think you've spotted someone else ritualposting is a self-report. you don't really come out of this looking much better than the guy you're pointing at.

>>718905442
>I don't want Capcom or their characters anywhere near ArcSys.
OK?
What does that have to do with my post?

>>718905312
>ggg/ is so dead
But it isn't. That ranked/balance update completely revived it. Fucking wish Tekgen or neog was like that but season 2 fucked tekken and we haven't had a patch good enough to bring back the decent posters, non schizos and non Anna/lilli/Nina erp faggots back. And snk is snk so that's never happening there.

>>718882225 (OP)
Fighting games are supposed to push the boundaries of the genre. I remember playing SF2, Tekken 3, MvC, CvS2, SC2, DOA2, UNI, etc. for the first time. All of those are revolutionary in terms of style, music, atmosphere, cast, controls, and gameplay ideas.

COTW is not a bad game but it's bringing nothing new to the table. It feels like a PS3 era game. This isn't acceptable for something they advertised as a SF6 killer. I think SF6 is dogshit gameplay-wise, but the animations and style are boundary pushing, it looks very cool when someone gets shimmied and whiff punished.

COTW is aimless and not profound at all. It's like they just did the bare minimum to make a "not bad" fighting game. Why play COTW over fightcade classics or SF6/T8/GGST/GBVS/UNI2? Also the cast is dogshit.

>>718905751
next week bandwagoners will hop off and it'll stay dead again

>>718897902
>White
He was always non canon like Alfred.

>>718898083
Nope. They've only watched post 2010 movies.

>>718905594
Damn. This is a moment wherein I'm reminded that Mai joining SF6 has caused me to develop a Pavlovian negative reaction toward her. I forgot she's an SNK character and not a Capcom character for a moment when I was replying to you. My bad. lol

>>718906196
tbf she might as well be a Capcom character at this point given how much better Capcom treats her than SNK does.

>>718905953
>It feels like a PS3 era game
and looks like one too

>>718906196
>>718906267
Pixiv artists keep tagging artwork of her as "Street Fighter" so you are not alone on this one desu
Not just art of her SF6 exclusive costume mind you.

>>718902806
No one cares about granblue.

>>718905953
>COTW is not a bad game but it's bringing nothing new to the table
the game isn't total dogshit like every other modern fighting game

>>718906332
I care about Granblue.
You know what no one actually cares about?
(You)

>>718906371
cared enough to reply. u lose bruh

>>718906384
Damn...

Fighting games, the genre I ALWAYS pirate

>>718906478
so you're a sudaca

>piratefag LITERALLY unable to shut the fuck up about being a pirate even when it has absolutely nothing to do with anything
So what else is new

>>718897101
love the degenerate cum blasted looks on both their faces. Mai is waiting waiting for it while Juri is licking the cum post-blast.

>>718906371
I mean, i like Granblue but no one cares...wish Guilty Tranny and Granblue switched position in popularity, so at least we can have an anime fighter that is decent and not a shitshow ..but no, no one cares...and here we are with guilty tranime.

>>718906605
Rising is alive despite being a fighting game based on a gacha and with absolutely no old fighting games to fall back on in terms of renown.
I don't think you realize how genuinely impressive it is that Granblue Versus did not just fucking disappear entirely in a genre where brand name and loyalty are such fucking huge factors.

>>718882225 (OP)
mostly boring ass roster. they're still running the Rock Howard nepo baby thing.

>>718905124
shudve called it StreetFighter Blacked

>>718904274
>>718904307
>>718904672
That's a bad thing. Giving Riot the power to gaslight players over how active the game is will only serve to string people along until they prematurely kill the whole game.

>>718906605
>so at least we can have an anime fighter that is decent
Grannigger please rising is strive's younger and MORE retarded brother complete with a full two separate extra full retard modes. At best it's at the exact same level of shit as strive complete with the same annoying fruity ass faggot playerbase and a bunch of people that either switch back and forth between games or got their ass beat in strive then quit and ran to granblue.

>>718906947
I would never, ever play a game that required kernel level anti-cheat in the first place so that is literally not my problem.
These retarded faggot zoomies who keep bringing up "le numbers" into my video game discussion, now those are my problem.

it's funny how every time the fgc says that a game is going to save fighting games it turns out being trash, and every time the fgc hates on a game before release it turns out to be kino

Is it that bad? You'd think SF6 being the worst in the series would make people look inot other games.

>>718886018
Strive's success is coasting off the massive success of FighterZ

>>718882225 (OP)
>muh visuals
thread discarded, throw bricks at graphicwhores

>>718907007
It's always kinda funny seeing these kind of deranged, seething posts about Granblue kek
I sort of understand when people do it about whatever is dominating the market at the moment, but literally why seethe this hard about a modest game with a modest fan base?

>>718905064
>goro

liu kang and goro

>>718907113
Visuals are EXTREMELY important for video games.
SF6 being hideous as shit was the first reason I lost interest in it. In the end it turned out the gameplay was just as ugly as the characters so now I can just completely write it off, but saying that visuals are not important, especially in a fucking fighting game, is just silly.

>>718907130
You confuse anger with contempt. It doesn't matter how "modest" a game is I will call it shit and that is what rising is which is why others also make posts shit talking it. I do it with rising when someone has the audacity to praise or consider it above anything the same way I do with Tekken 8.

>>718905953
no they arent supposed to push the boundries. they were originally made to take your money at the arcades. that's how we got all the cheap SNK boss syndrome shit in these games.

>>718907326
>N-NO! do NOT say positive things about game I don't like!
kek
Get over yourself

>>718905124
literal chiggers lmao no wonder the black/"street culture" shit got pushed hard

>>718896632
the metality with Hispanics is that you paid for 3 fighters instead of 1 in KOF, that's why they liked it.

>>718898517
you warned them? who the fuck r u?

>>718901337
Ronaldo's face is fucked and creepy

>>718907754
are you from toys r us or aol chat

>>718907889
hhhehehe

>>718897994
Zooms dont play fighting games.

>>718907998
Anon, the fucking EVO champion for Dix is a zoomer. There are plenty of zoomers playing SF6, Strive and Granblue, there are very few zoomers playing SNK games, no idea about Tekken.

>>718903219
pirate it and findout

>>718907998
Dude they absolutely do. Sf6 and strive are the most popular with them. Along with sf2 apparently.

>>718882676
Saudi Arabian had the genuine idea to add the DJ and soccerman to CotW.

>>718907219
>SF6 is ugy
kys tranny

>>718908337
Why would I kill myself over a hideous, unpleasant game?
I'll just not play it.

>>718882676
I decided to not buy the game after the beta since the online was broken and the game itself wasn't very fun.

>>718908073
are they using the simple inputs on these games? I tried getting my nephews into fighting games but the would rather play smash/smash clones.

>>718902762
saudis got raped and gaped out of money.

There's nothing SNK can do in the short term to turn it around too, just coast along as third rate brand.

>>718882225 (OP)
Because the fgc is made of posers, this game's DLC is free, there's no battle pass, no micro transactions, the input lag has been reduced drastically on consoles to match the pc version, gameplay is great and actually takes skill and is not some random drive rush fest. But that doesn't matter because people genuinely don't care about the quality of the game, brand, graphics and purchasable content are the only things that matter

>>718908445
Tranny opinion, you will join the 42% club sooner or later anyway.

>>718882225 (OP)
I think I bought this from gray resellers because of Mai but never played because the game is ugly

>>718908558
Nta
strive is the only fighting game in the past 10 years without simple inputs, some do some don't in sf6 but most of the successful ones don't, no idea about granblue

>>718908337
SF6 is not ugly but the DEI characters ruin it for me

>>718908721
Yeah, that's real cool and all but SF6 is still fucking horrid and I'm still not gonna play it.

>>718908809
Meant 5 but yeah you get the point.

>>718908851
Who are the dei characters?

>>718908851
Personally I can't give a shit about the newcomers; I had no previous attachment to them so who cares if they are all bad?
What really kills it for me is seeing some of my favorite Street Fighter characters turned into grotesque, uncanny versions of themselves. It's very jarring, you know what character it's supposed to be but it looks like shit.

>>718882354
>biggest flops in Fighting Game history.
he will get the league buff but yeah i doubt a 2v2 will last long. if i wanted retarded team mates id just play league.

>>718882676
it wants to be capcom instead of modern game devs

>>718882225 (OP)
>Should they just move on from Fighting Games at this point?
Thats what theyre doing actually. We know they have two single player projects in development one is unknown and other is Samsho ARPG. Wouldnt be suprised at all if they have more single player games in works too.

>>718892395
Fighting games are getting more games both indie and big budget ones than racing games,stealth games and other genres. You're retarded as fuck.

>>718892215
Could you do it for me?

>>718910306
>the league buff
there iss no such thing, maybe you meant an arcane buff but that is already over and the new show is years away

I can consistently find matches in less than a minute, total fast-paced upgrade over Street Fighter snoozefest plus it stars a rapist, big recommend from me

>>718905216
The most unfortunate case of butter face in gaming.

>>718882676
Mark of the Wolves was just a meme game hyped up by cultist, but it wasnt really good.

SNK fell for the lie and made a sequel but brought in the old characters, effectively making it a KOF-lite game

>>718883120
just looked into fatal fury as i didnt know anything about it and seeing ronadlo there is the most jarring thing ever and just irritated me immediately.

people who are actually good at fighting games; am I right in feeling like this game relies more on combos / has lower neutral poke damage than other 2D fighters? and would you say that combos are harder to execute? Wasn't sure if I thought that just because I am bad.

>>718910864
>there iss no such thing
People play teamfight tactics. The game will get enough interest off of the league association.

>>718911140
There's a generous normal input buffer and an extended input buffer for the button hold trick (hold corresponding button when doing special moves, like Heavy Punch button if you're doing Heavy DP). There's some weird timings with feint cancels and cancelling Rev Arts into each other but I'd say combos are pretty easy and streamlined for the most part.

>>718882225 (OP)
They lost all their talent and shamble on as a corpse. How many same-looking 3D fighters have they made now, and they still need support from the saudies just to make payroll?

Everything about this game is completely retarded. It should have been sprite-based. They need some way to distinguish themselves, and quality spritework was it. All it had to be was a better version of MotW, with twenty years of game development lessons behind it. Great online, great performance no matter what you run it on, and a lot of single player story content to dig through. SNK fans actually do care about the autistic lore of that universe. It never had a chance of dethroning SF6, so start building the fanbase with a different direction.

Does anyone want to play blazblue? u feel like killing yourself

>>718894457
Pick your choice.

>>718897806
>it DOES look pretty uninteresting
Exactly. There's not much in terms of character designs (it's mostly guys which all look like John Fury's to casuals), there's not enough detail on characters and stages. Look at Cammy's butt skin texture or Nina's boob sweat. CotW just couldn't compete. I also think that CotW attacks don't feel as good and punchy as in other fightans but KoF15 also had that problem. At least characters looked cooler there, Vanessa has never been hotter.

>>718912132
Easiest choice ever.

>>718911809
i normally do but i'm taking time off from it

>>718912132
KoF XV for me
>extremely soft and squishy looking
>amazing tits
>thong
>fun to play even if not too strong
Best all around package.

>>718882225 (OP)
I don't play fighters so here's my uneducated take on the situation:
In my europoor country, people only care about SF6, Tekken 8 and Smash.
When asked about playing about another/a new fighter, the answers will almost always be:
>it look nice but I don't have the time for another game
>there's not enough people playing it so I don't care
>I don't like the characters/how it look
or just general apathy all around.

SNK just has too many fighters under their belt and the genre has pretty much become a duopoly where they were left out.
Their experience in making arcade games is biting them in the ass, the genres that were popular on those are all niche nowadays, see how shmup are essentially a dead genre and how roguelite supplanted roguelike. People are asking for a new Metal Slug but how many of those can actually 1CC the games? Not many and I believe that's the reason why there's still not a new one.
I would encourage them to try others genre but do they even have the experience for that?
They need to move on from their past, fighters are just too competitive of a genre now and you have 2 behemoths that dominate everything.
If they REALLY want to keep making fighters, they would need to focus on one serie (like KOF) and shift to a long term marketing strat and even then, I'm not sure it would save their ass because SF is just too ingrained in the mind of the audience as I remember SF5 having a catastrophic launch with many fuckups and they were still the dominating fighter in spite of that.

Even the music was shit btw, worst modern SNK soundtrack bar none. And that's not even mentioning the DJ collab shit. Normally I like SNK's OSTs so idk why they dropped the ball this hard
Half of the tracks have no melody at all other than guitar shredding, Vox's theme feels unfinished, Kain's theme sounds ear grating, Gato/Mai/Hotaru/Hokutomaru's themes have horribly flat sounding drums and synths. HUGE step down from XV's OST overall

>>718894457
left is better

>>718893339
its ugly af desu. The artstyle is gross looking.

>>718912519
I hate you and I hope you DIE

>>718882225 (OP)
Honestly the whole gannaci/Roberto thing killed my hype for the game. People were saying they were canceling their preorders and everyone acted like that was just fake or that they were a loud niche minority but I think the celeb fighters actually ruined the game worse than the bad beta test.

>>718882676
It was never going to be a big success. The brand has little weight, there are a number of hurdles that make it hard to convince people to pick up fighting games to begin with and the game is pretty ugly so it wasn't ever going to get too many people trying it purely on the basis that it looks cool.

It's fine that it was never going to be a big hit anyway though, I doubt any fighting game developers other than Capcom and Bamco have really high expectations for their game's playerbase and sales when it comes to fighting games, their biggest mistake with this game was just the moneysink that was its marketing. Even if the game execute well on what it was going for visually, and I think many would say it doesn't, there was absolutely no universe in which normalfags were going to look at this shit because it has Ronaldo and an embarrassing ad with some e-celebs. It was deeply misguided to try to get the people who play FIFA to try the game to begin with, and they put way too much marketing into that effort.

>>718907007
blud thinks because strive has dumbass 4 way mixups it's better and more hardcore

Shit cast

fighting games no longer cut it and need to evolve

>>718882225 (OP)
its remedial game for rogs

>>718916962
It's NOT fine it was going to fail because they put insane amounts of money into the marketing. The CEO of SNK had an entire IP revival phase planned for old games and the massive flop of the game costing probably in the high tens of millions in losses cost him his job. He's fired. And his plan of reviving classic IP is probably fucked too. They'll see Fatal Fury revival failure as proof the rest will fail too and they've already probably been CANCELLED. So yes it's a big fucking deal.

>>718908670
Found this out with a friendship group that came together to play dnf duel on release
Everyone initially loved it and played it every day for hours, despite the jank, despite the bullshit balancing, even when they improved to the point where matchups were a legit consideration and they werent just mashing it out in neutral
They played tourneys, went to locals, joined discords and learned tech, watched rooflemonger's beginner guides, all that shit
But as soon as influencers started dunking on the game and calling for players to move on, saying dnfd was irredeemable and patches were coming too slow, despite still actively enjoying it and investing more time per day than they did at launch, they immediately stopped playing
Their enthusiasm was legitimate, but the fucking MINUTE public discourse went negative they cut ties and ran to another fotm fg
Which happened to be strive since that was around the time season 2 dropped and the yoyo-spinning faggot of eternal discourse was making headlines

>>718918370
I'm not saying it's fine it was going to fail, I'm saying it would have been fine if they just accepted it wasn't going to be a massive hit. They far overestimated the interest in the game and tried appealing to people who never in a million years would even touch it. That's not fine, but I don't think it needs to reach the numbers they wanted to warrant its existence, it just needed those numbers to warrant its marketing.

>>718911248
people play it because its inside of league and people were starved for some new mode

>>718882225 (OP)
the EVO cotw top 8 was great though

>>718919949
ok unc

>>718918525
People are slaves, it’s in their nature. Everyone now does what streamers tell them to do. They “liberated” them from their parents, but they found another guardian.

>>718912132
>DoA5: chink mai
>DoA6: chink mai
>CoTW: literally who?!
>KoV XV: mai shiranui
>SF6: garbage RE Engine 3D slop goyim
F I X E D

>>718882225 (OP)
Instead of wasting time getting a soccer player and a DJ as a guest character, they should have collabed with a more popular game franchise instead.
They did it with ShamSho, why couldn't they do it with this one?

i think snk needs new management and probably needs to try to hire some better 3D artist,i also really feel like snk is constantly trying to keep a low budget for their games cause since kof 14 came out 9 years ago they've really only made slight jumps in each new game

>>718922181
anon ken is already in the game and chun-li is going to be out in a few months

>>718893339
Lol every DLC is someone that should have come with the game. Deviantart oc tier artist Jesus Chris an AI could do better

>>718919874
>he doesn't know

>>718882225 (OP)
For me, it won.

>>718887697
Isn't Geese dead by this time, which is why Terry had to raise Rock and Rock uses a mix of Terry & Geese moves?

Did Geese get better?

>>718923462
>barely beating out a 13 year old indie game is winning

>>718923572
In City of the Wolves? Dead as Dillinger, but he is in the game.

>>718882676
It was never going to be some insane success, but the game had built up a decent amount of hype among FG fans. That hype instantly died when SNK added Ronaldo and Salvatore. Obviously you can't really blame the failure of a game entirely on one thing, but you could actually feel any hype for the game die instantly once those guest characters got revealed.

>>718893339
Ronaldo is just a lol haha character, but I had my jaw on the floor when they announced Salvatore "Horse" Ganacci. That's so fucking absurd that I'd buy the game for that, if it weren't for the completely fucking shit art style, the billion effects obscuring actual gameplay, the gameplay looking like the KOF style "use power meter to break any move to do 556 hit juggles" instead of the more straightforward gameplay of MOTW. And yeah everyone just looking like shit.

If anything, Ronaldo and Horse are better new characters than Vox Reaper and random hipster anime chick #3424. Preecha can go fuck a cactus for all I care.

But yeah the art style is awful.

>>718893841
>only soccer fans know him. soccer is gay to everyone else
soccer is the #1 most popular sport on the planet everywhere outside of the USA. I don't give a shit about soccer but even I heard about Ronaldo, Zidane the Headbutter, Maradona, etc. Hell the only thing that confused me is that I didn't knew there was a new Ronaldo, there was also a famous one in the late 90s in the French team winning the world cup in 98. They also had a Ronaldinho who kind of looks like if Steve-O was black.

messi won

>>718882225 (OP)
List of clown decisions made by SNK since the return:
Before XIV:
>Sending police to Square Enix over their shit being in High-Score Girl, granted there seems to be no more bad blood, but SNK destroyed their own visibility during an extremely vulnerable point for no fucking good reason, and turned the series into SF, and MK dicksucking.
>After XIV:
>Dropping XIV support too soon
>Axing the XIV manga too soon
>SNK Heroines having missing characters, and weird choices for DLC
>SamSho launches with awful online with its playerbase killed by scamdemic
>SamSho then proceeds to fucking not get launched onto Steam, instead going to Stadia, and then EGS completely killing any future interest in the PC community and the game itself.
>Pussying out of the Horny on Main tweet
>MAKING A GODLY 120 FPS VERSION OF SAMSHO ONLY FOR THE XBOX SERIES X OF ALL THINGS
>Drops support of SamSho after releasing Baiken and never did a balance patch again
>KOFXV launches with broken matchmaking for over a year killing the retention rate
>KOFXV's visuals and lacking content is also criticized and people overlook the game
>Fucking releasing teams that reused content outside of 2 characters as DLC, and then having the nerve to drop team based DLCs for season 2
>SNK around this time fucking nukes a youtube channel that uploaded their music that had upwards of 1-2 million views, NUKING THEIR VISABILITY FOR NO GOOD FUCKING REASON AGAIN.
>SNK drops support for XV after releasing V&M and doesn't do a patch again
>SNK rolls out with marketing for CotW and then is quiet for so long until early 2025
>CotW has garbage regional pricing that mostly stuck around
>COTW 1st beta comes out as a trainwreck, a lot people wrote off the game after seeing XV's matchmaking and decided "nope"
>People also didn't like the awful UX
>Second beta comes out with significantly less numbers but Mm was admittedly fixed but too little too late
>Launch comes, and its downhill

>>718882225 (OP)
The marketing was great. It's a good step to do so with high profile ads.

However to do that yet present this SHIT to the public. This is negative reception. not a positive one. If a different game (ie tekken 8) was doing these ads. It'd be on 5m+ by now easily. maybe 8m even (especially if they had tifa as guest) .

You have unlimited budget yet you present PS2 tier graphics instead of better tekken tier graphics? or atleast arcsys stylized one?

>>718893339
>Fatal Fury was never a sausagefest

Do tell us more how much you've never played a fucking Fatal Fury game.The number of female characters in the entire Fatal Fury franchise can be counted on one hand. The only women left that they haven't added to the game are Blue Mary and Xiangfei FFS. Add Tsugumi from WA if anyone's feeling generous.

You'll have to overreach and start adding characters from AOF and that franchise also is not known for it's abundance of female characters. Yuri, King and Kasumi. That's it. Nobody cares about the other two literally who's from AOF3.

>all these walls of text
is the game fun tho
i don't really care about sales because MK1, T8 and SF6 are all the best selling fighting games at the moment and they all suck massive dick

>>718926819
post hours in cotw

>>718883120
I actually play FGs so I was considering buying the game but the soccerfag turned me off hard. The DJ was the killing blow. One of SF6's biggest problems is its roster and in current year those slots are at a premium. Wasting two of them on some bullshit stunt picks just seems like a giga retarded move.

>>718926819
It's not a bad game but there's no reason to play it over anything else, even KoF XV.

>>718926819
>is the game fun tho
Yes. Despite the 300+ posts shitting on the game, CotW is the best of the modern fighters even if that isn't much of an accomplishment considering the state of everything else.

>>718883764
What the fuck are YOU talking about?
Its "Drive Impact" was in Mark of the Wolves.
Its more rewarding "Parry" was in Mark of the Wolves.
The KOF series and later half of the Fatal Fury series have had a far more egregious equivalents to Drive Rush: absurdly high movement speeds across the cast, aggressive short hops into plus frames, feint/brake moves, and canceling specials into specials.

Fatal Fury has for a long fucking time had all of the "slop" your fags cry about, but with far worse implementation than how SF6 does it.
It's the same SNK shit it's been for the past 25+ years. A lot of dogshit mechanics that they continue to implement in their jank ass fashion which nobody likes.

There's a host of reasons but something I don't see too many people mention is that while not being "modern" enough for the modern FG audience, it isn't really old school and doesn't really resemble any of the main classic FF games beyond nominal inclusions of mechanics
>Special is a slow, ground-based game with highly committal jumps and crazy strong special moves
>RB2 is centered strongly around its chain combo system for combos and offense plus finally turning the lane system into an actual component rather than just a gimmick
>MOTW is largely about building meter and finding opportunities to spend it, of which there are generally many even for weak characters like Rock. The game also centers around oppressive offense and getting through it by using JD for block advantage or properly times invincible backdashes
>COTW is almost entirely centered around the new bar system that was lifted directly from SF6, and it's basically used for EX moves which weren't in any previous title. The game now mostly focuses on hitconfirmable neutral skips or finding a heavy into the same combo you do at any point in the match. Brakes and feints also are retooled to not really function like they did in MOTW beyond a surface level
It doesn't really feel like a proper sequel to anything which doesn't appeal to legacy fans and the modern crowd would just prefer to stick to SF6. It's a game for nobody.

>>718882225 (OP)
What did they expect? Fatal Fury and KOF are popular only with third worlders and spics.

>>718928918
Oh really? Which TOP attack was an armored neutral skip that was safe on block and caused a crumple state?

>>718882676
Demo filtered me with how retarded the multiplayer lobbies were.

I'm disappointed with fighting game in generals and I hate season passes. They have overdone it with so many dlc and the base roster sucks.

COTW was a miss, a truly mediocre game. Can we just skip to KOF16 and Nu Samurai Showdown 2?

>>718930463
>KOF16 and Nu Samurai Showdown 2
Both of those games are gonna flop too.

>>718896632
FF was never popular in LATAM and Asia. It was "popular" in the US.
and majority of its fan are larpers who only played terry and rock in CVS2, a capcom developed game

>>718922181
>instead of wasting their time with guest slop, they should've wasted their time with different guest slop!
genius. get this man a Saudi contract.

>>718883120
>attract the soccer audience
I'm pretty sure the Saudi investor just wanted to put him in as a flex. They are like that. OK people, but very vain and insecure in weird ways.

>>718897902
>For my time with RB2, it was just kind of there. I didn't hate it, but I didn't feel like it actually added anything too meaningful
Were you even aware that the game had chain combos?

-Most people who play games now are younger than Garou Mark of Wolves, let alone knowing about it in the first place.

-The art/animation is totally soulless compared to the original Garou, which took time and talent to produce.

-Gay football man and the shitty DJ guy just cheapen the feel of the world and game in general.

Gameplay is basically servicable, but why would anyone waste their money on a mid game when there are so many free to play games these days? They took and already niche market and cut it in half with the goofy cameo characters. Besides which fighting games are a dying genre which worked better in a world where people played together in the same room, be it an arcade or someones living room.

Guilty went from nothing to a major IP
Arcsys went from a literal who studio to a major beloved studio

SNK has a built in fanbase, a massive character fanbase and legacy. They can easily become a major studio if they think their actions through.
Currently its doing bad because the management and decisions suck ass

>>718932972
>SNK has a built in fanbase, a massive character fanbase and legacy
The vast majority of SNK fans are 30-40 y.o. who don't really have the time to play games anymore.

>>718932972
>Arcsys went from a literal who studio to a major beloved studio
Arcsys had been making games since the 80s. Even if we ignore GG and BB success in Japan prior to Strive. It did license games for Sailor Moon, HnK, Persona. And of course Dragon Ball which was its big money maker. As far as fighting games calling Arcsys a literal who is absolutely retarded since it has been making fighting games since 94 which is only 3 years after SNK was started making fighting games.

one factor not mentioned was that leftists (reddit and resetera) already hate saudi's for not being LGBTQ+ allies.

Ronaldo having rape accusation baggage was something they could latch onto as a proxy for their saudi hate. I like how queer Max Dood had to apologize and grovel at resetera for covering the game.

But I don't want to give them credit, because the game would have failed anyway. But all these little things add up and put normies off a purchase, which was an easy decision. CotW looks like a re-purposed KOF game that they already don't buy hhh.

>>718915536
why would you hate me, i'm lovable
>>718922181
probably would have actually been better
i don't hate guest characters but not knowing soccer or djshit didn't really help me enjoy the presence of ronald mcdonald and garfielducci or whatever, and it was like to me "who is this even for"
at least ronaldo has a cute gimmick with his ball, but you can't think that he'll stay and you'll need to replace him with an actual oc character later
>>718923462
punching down must really feel amazing after being yelled at by your parents or your boss at work
>>718883908
see, i got samsho for steam and the instant i saw the login screen for fucking epig services or whatever, i NOPE'd out of it and uninstalled real quick
the fuck do i need to do that for if i'm on fucking steam? does any other game that supposedly cooperates with epig do such a thing? because i genuinely don't know

>>718882225 (OP)
They just need a team that cares. Look at how much attention SNK characters get everytime they guest-star, unfortunately most of the old SNK devs who created these series are not there anymore so there's no real leadership. Hire more competent employees, use half of that marketing money into the games.

>>718937321
>does any other game that supposedly cooperates with epig do such a thing?
Nioh 2
EDF 6
Elden Ring
Space Marine 2
It was optionnal in Nioh 2 until recently, now you need to go through epic first and then switch to steam.
EDF6 forced you to install it even if you didn't want to play online, it's not the case anymore but you will still need epic shit if you want to play online.
Elden Ring got a pass because it was popular.
People bitched a bit at first for Space Marine 2 and then the protest died down, dunno how it is nowadays.

Maybe they should have used that massive Marketing budget for the game itself. People like spectacle, and showing some really outdated looking fighting game along side SF6 and Tekken 8 doesn't help get people exited.

>>718938085
>People bitched a bit at first for Space Marine 2 and then the protest died down, dunno how it is nowadays
sad
that shit isn't going on my machine
maybe if i get a steam deck later down the road, but i am still wondering if i want one to begin with

salvatore won

>>718937903
>so there's no real leadership. Hire more competent employees
the thing about that is, you won't be able to tell who to hire if the people in charge of hiring can't tell the difference themselves, and the lack of real leadership is a part of that problem

it doesn't sound like they do any performance evals or anything and god do i hate performance evals, but unfortunately, it seems like they really need it here, for both the employees and people above, and sadly, it takes someone who knows how things should work first to employ such a tactic

>>718889847
People fail to realize Strive's big numbers are partly owed to the fact there's just so many more fighting game players now, not to mention just more gamers in general. Strive being easy to learn helped and I assume how it sanded off all its heavy metal edge helped browns and trannies to like it more.

>>718882225 (OP)
WITH A FUCKING AFK GAME OF COURSE.

>>718882225 (OP)
Fatal Fury was never good nor popular. it released the same year as SF2 but at a later date. by the time it was out, SF2 was already a far better and more fun game.
SNK tried multiple times to force FF to become popular, from making it a SF clone, to making it a 1v1 KOF, to make a 3D game, MOTW tried to be a 3rd Strike clone.
all of them failed,
people will shout ronaldo, ganacci and shit, but the reality was that it was never a good IP, and 99% of the people who says they like the games never show up in real life or matter. Fatal Fury only has a presence on the internet
Garou was a horrendous garbage game with poor balance that everyone trash talked. People only started liking that game because Maximillina shilled the fuck out of Garou terry and Rock, who he only played in Capcom vs SNK2. Garou never sold well not was popular. in fact it was a flop.
Beta1 was fucking atrocious with bad netcode FOR THE FIFTH FUCKING TIME.
The hardcore SNK fanbase lost interest in them due how poorly they handled Samsho 2019 and KOFXV and went to SF6.
Can you believe that KOFXV is only 3 years old?
last year was KOF 30th anniversary and on EVO they only showed Mature and VIce's character arts, not even a trailer, they also announced the netcode would be fixed, but the damage was already done. they didn't even bothered to make a relaunch and add more single and multiplayer features for the game like capcom did for SFV.
It was clearly that SNK decided to treat KOF and SHamsho like trash to focus solely on COTW.
They fell for the Internet discourse of "muh garou was so gawdlike bro".
The marketing team also only focused in the US and completely ignored Asia and LATAM.
They wanted the american audience, Preecha's design was chosen to cater to the US and it is the reason she was shoved everywhere in the marketing campaing

>>718942191
But Ronaldo is a football star, and not the football Americans care about. How was this game marketed towards that market, when the biggest guest star didn't click with them?

>>718911071
Mark of the Wolves was hyped up by Street Fighter fans and journos who have never actually touched an SNK game because "it looks like Street Fighter 3".

there were no /v/ lobbies past 1st beta even virtua fighter 5 had like lobby threads for few days after release

>>718913624
>Normally I like SNK's OSTs so idk why they dropped the ball this hard
SNK doesn't have anyone to make good soundtracks for them anymore. SamSho is the only one of their newer games with a decent soundtrack but XIV, XV and CotW are all dog shit.

>>718936235
>Max Dood had to apologize and grovel at resetera for covering the game.
kek
I never heard about this but honestly, that's retarded enough to be real. Clown world.

>>718897806
>and people were already kind of on edge about the game because it seemed very hard to approach in a not so good way
The problem actually had to do with the netcode (still not fixed), matchmaking (fixed), and no training mode to actually figure the game out (fixed in the second beta). First impressions of the game were generally positive besides those three things.

>>718926231
>Drops support of SamSho after releasing Baiken and never did a balance patch again
Don't forget Baiken is busted because she's basically playing a different game than everyone else. The chink gacha bunny chick has the same problem. Devs need to stop putting in characters who play a totally different game than 99% of the cast because they are always broken and never fun to play against.

You also forgot the utter laziness of KoF XV's cast. Most of the characters are asset flips from XIV or SamSho. The first year of DLC was characters that were clearly intended for the base game (which is why they were teams with stories) and the other characters are all either from XIV or were being worked on for XIV DLC. There's maybe 7 genuinely new characters in the entire game and also the entire cast is just known characters with no obscure or oddball picks. CotW has the same problem in that it's just MotW + Billy but that's because SNK got fooled into believing MotW was more popular than it was so felt putting in the MotW cast at the expense of everyone else would be popular.

>>718897806
>They're being completely contrarian.
They are definitely not being contrarian, it would be more contrarian to say it looks good. I don't think it looks abysmal or anything, but it definitely does not stand up to its peers, and it's not even on the mark for the artstyle that would have the kind of appeal for who they were marketing it to. I imagine a lot more people looked it and were put off because they thought it looked like a PS3 game than there are people who thought it just looked uninspired.

>>718944204
All those recycled assets and they still didn't bring back the best character from XIV.

>>718929486
CotW isn't a Fatal Fury game. It's a modern KoF game without the teams and some added SF6 ripoff mechanics.

>>718922527
Good morning sir
Also the characters technically do come with the game: it is literally impossible to buy CotW and not get those characters, you are just getting them later on.
The whole situation is closer to an "Early Access" kind of deal than an actual season of DLC characters like in other games.

>>718932972
>a massive character fanbase and legacy
SNK has no confidence in any character that isn't Terry, Mai, Iori and other popular characters. Remember that modern SNK rejected characters like Jack and Crawley for XIV/XV because "they're too obscure" yet 13's popularity wasn't at all hampered by having fucking Hwa Jai or Mr. Karate in the game. They're basically obsessed with only having characters in the games now that youtube frauds like Max will recognize.

>>718936235
In general, modern SNK tries to appeal too much to this faggot and it's biting them in the ass because he does not like or care about SNK games, he is just gay for Rock because Rock was in CvS2.

It's remarkable how much SNK can get people to talk about their games without them saying anything good, lmao, and without it having any yield whatsoever on introducing people to them. SNK's got this reputation as an industry heel especially in the fighting game space ever since going bankrupt, and it's like they'll never shake that. It doubly sucks that people attribute their first bankruptcy to incompetence instead of their pouring money into areas like pixel art and arranged soundtracks which was actually based.

>>718895852
Sorry babe youre a fag if you stop staring at her giant tits.

>>718930463
cotw is the kof16 nigga

>>718944879
To be fair 90% of KoF's roster is filler no one cares for anyways. It's the exact same as Street Fighter where 3 nearly killed the franchise because only Ryu, Ken, and Chunners returned. And before you say 3 became a cult classic, only some characters did and only because the game itself became THE poser game of the FGC.

>>718944503
Not really, KOF is mostly characterized by the aggressive aerial play fostered by hyperhops and especially jCDs, meanwhile COTW is mostly ground-oriented with hops nerfed even from MOTW, approaching CVS2 levels of utility (not useless but not nearly as game-definingly strong as KOF). What about COTW is like KOF besides the EX move combos?
>>718944879
>13's popularity
Not sure that secondary non-players cocksucking the sprites and combo trial youtube videos really count toward "popularity," and I say this as a massive 13 fanboy. If 13 had any popularity worth speaking of then they wouldn't have had to have moved to 3D

>>718945487
Competing with Nintendo in the handheld space and trying to make a fucking amusement park is absolutely incompetence

>>718942191
>Preecha's design was chosen to cater to the US and it is the reason she was shoved everywhere in the marketing campaing
I dodged the game because her design screamed LGBT.

>>718946451
Neo Geo World opened in 1999 btw. The HNG64 flopped and the Neo Geo was turning nine.

>tfw i speculated the game would stabilize around 500 daily peak playerbase
>its deader then fucking uni2 and other abandonware anime games like blazblue and fighterZ
if i would be saudi prince i would had snk ceo beheaded

Is Ken out yet? I promise I will boot it up if he is

>>718946951
He was up since evo nigga

>>718946142
>To be fair 90% of KoF's roster is filler no one cares for anyways.
That's my point. KoF has a lot of recognizable characters but the large roster size meant you could slip in some more obscure or odd ball characters and it was fine. Old SNK or even Playmore era SNK didn't give a shit about obscurity as a reason for leaving out characters. Hell one of the more popular/widely remembered KoFs is XI and that's filled with shit like Duck King and Savage Reign and Buriki One characters. It's fun BECAUSE SNK has a deep well of characters to draw from and can even take what would be an otherwise obscure AOF character or something and make them interesting to play as.

But since coming back properly in the 2010s they've become obsessed with the idea that if people (especially faggots like Max) can't recognize all of the characters in their games then they won't buy them which leads to situations like XV's garbage roster.

>>718945954
xhe needs to be like faust and start wearing a bag over xer head then

Which guest character could have saved the game from getting such poor sales? And I mean at launch.

>>718947276
2b :-)

>>718947054
Do you think it's SNK internally or whether they're under pressure from their Saudi handlers to make moves like this? Bin Salman did say he wanted them to be like they were in the '90s.

>>718892395
This. Smash is the only relevant fighter. Everyone else is fighting for scraps. GG Strive dominates because it understands its trans audience.

>>718947276
Ken and Chun

it's still funny how the game's entire future dlc lineup was datamined on release

the PC doesnt have a real FGC

never has and never will

>>718947435
>on release
It was datamined in the beta. That's how we knew about Hokutomaru's new look before he was even officially announced.

>>718947054
what you tap onto is something i remarked about long ago to the point i made fun of the "all killer no filler" remarks by someone else ( https://x.com/walterfast/status/1428839539704045569 ) with my own phrase "cut the fat to wear a hat" to mock how ridiculous such a concept is in practice
not everybody needs to be main card draws, you need those mid and low carders to even better put over your main stars

>>718947054
>if people (especially faggots like Max) can't recognize all of the characters in their games then they won't buy them
I wonder if this is why they got Ronaldo in CotW. Maybe they reasoned if normies recognized Ronaldo, they will buy a fighting game?

>>718947536
some things were still in the dark like future guests and newcomers, we didn't get the release order until launch too

>>718947616
oda kind of said something like that in a roundabout fashion so yes, that was most likely the intent
the problem is it doesn't really work with americans because they don't know SOCCER too well besides the fake injury memes and i sure as hell didn't know who he was until this game, sudacas don't even spend money because they bootleg and steal all the time, japan wasn't even interested and would rather ichirou or something from BASEUBARRU if any sports figure, i don't even know what to say for china since athena is not in this game, and anyone who cares directly about sports probably isn't playing video games and would rather sit at a bar discussing sports with his buddies over some brewskies or make stupid tiktoks of them reacting to eating food

>>718947054
SNK was petrified of adding weirdos to the XV roster for some reason. The only character that could even partially fit that would be Duo Lon. Everyone else is either too simple or too popular.

the game is alive and well on consoles but for some reason PC vegans just dont play videogames

>>718942191
>Garou was a horrendous garbage game with poor balance that everyone trash talked. People only started liking that game because Maximillina shilled the fuck out of Garou terry and Rock, who he only played in Capcom vs SNK2. Garou never sold well not was popular. in fact it was a flop.

Nigger that game was one of the most liked and played SNK games for decades, which was why people were hyped for City until they played the Beta. Fuck off with your mouth sucking Maximillian already faggot.

>>718947952
its alive on all platforms because of crossplay

>>718947276
morrigan

>>718947952
>but for some reason PC vegans just dont play videogames
hilarious reach to compensate for lower numbers on this one game while other games in the same genre dwarf it and capcom even cites the pc market as one of their major sources of revenue

>>718947276
cm punk, but not to play the game, just people being cm punk merch whores
john cena would get players
raja jackson would get the dk crew to go bananas over the game

>>718947153
>10/10 succubus wearing bag over her head
Has this really never been done before?

>>718948103
>capcom even cites the pc market as one of their major sources of revenue
>get rewarded for that with abysmally shit ports and Enigma Protector
I fucking despise Capcom, you have no idea.

>>718948445
>I fucking despise Capcom, you have no idea.
no, you remind me a lot that you do, i have an pretty good idea

>>718948576
I do?

SNK games are just too unappealing
Every time I think about what they could've done when they release one of their flops I always come up with the same answer: don't even try in the first place

>>718948851
What fighting games are appealing?

fighting games are done. you can either have a casual casino mashfest that normies love, or a deep game nobody plays. you can't have a deep game that sells in 2025 after SF6 and STRIVE

>>718948292
i don't know who you're talking about, kevin nash, but i was talking about jenet with the manface

The games are ugly. Period. SNK knows only how to do 2D but they want to compete. They deserve to fail for moving to the realm of ugly 2.5D

>>718882225 (OP)
They pushed Terry in crossover games so much yet his game flopped hard as fuck

No major publisher is EVER going to go back to 2D sprites, please just fucking stop it with this meme already.

>>718950000
this, especially at the current technology's res of what, 4k now? hell naw, that'll be a 10 year development at shortest
goood NIGHT

>>718947342
>Do you think it's SNK internally or whether they're under pressure from their Saudi handlers to make moves like this?
Internally. The "we were going to use Jack Turner and John Crawley but decided not to because they were too obscure" was for XIV and that's when they were Chink owned.

>>718950284
I'm wondering if the absorption of SNK by its own president via Playmore was in the best interest of keeping people from losing their jobs, and if the changes to Chinese then Saudi leadership led to some major shakeups. KoF for instance at least had its own direction it was following until XII where it decided to drop the tag format, and deleted Adelheid when it seemed like he would be the next MC if not some major player.

>>718947581
Yeah, wanting only popular characters is retarded because that doesn't really affect sales so long as you have most of the staples there. SF5 sold perfectly fine and that's probably the most odd ball roster any SF game has ever had. Even the base roster had what were relatively obscure characters like Birdie, Mika and Karin and that's not getting into the DLC adding ones like Akira, Lucia, Zeku, or Abigail. Say whatever you want about the game but SF5 has a fun (and very KoF) roster entirely because there's a lot of unique and interesting characters between the staples/popular ones, obscure choices and brand new characters (XV only had 2 totally brand new characters and they both suck).

>>718950736
They probably don't want to risk invoking the shitfits thrown over Mai and K' not being in XII ever again.

>>718950827
distract them with a new toy or abandon them for others who are willing to engage with said new toy, it's their own damn fault for boxing themselves into that kind of corner

Part of the problem with Ronaldo and Salvatore is that they're actual IRL people. When people want guest characters, they mean guests from other games. IRL people is a step too far and going into Fortnite territory. If those two slots had to go to guests, they would have been better served adding someone like Makoto (popular SF character who isn't, and seemingly won't be, in SF6) or something.

>>718950827
That's something they've had to deal with any time a character is left out. I remember the tantrums that were thrown over King not being in '02 which led to a lot of crying about how May Lee stole her spot (since May Lee was on the Women's Team in that game).

i love scrolling through cotw failure threads to help me fall asleep

>>718949685
It is pretty funny isn't' it?
Terry was probably more popular than he has ever been, with his appearance in SF and SSB.
Maybe SNK thought this new popularity was going to push a game's sales, and was the only reason they greenlit COTW.

>>718926540
I never said it wasn't. There's a reason why Fatal Fury was dead for so long.

>>718951307
you are laughing snk is dying and you are laughing

>>718951646
Fatal Fury was always a game where they were trying to figure things out but you can look at Fatal Fury 3 through Real Bout 2 and see a pretty clear evolution and refinement in going towards a faster paced game based around chains (with special/super combo enders) and using the planes for movement/positioning and feint specials for recovery and stuff. Then they threw all that out with MotW and killed the series. CotW should have gone back to and been an evolution of the Real Bout style and they need to fucking hire competent 3D artists who can make the game not look like a PS3 game.

Okay, but im having a blast with KoF!

>>718952881
>Imagine we will never have a Capcom vs SNK 3 because CotW failed
Who's the one ass raped now?

>>718954732
>Capcom vs SNK 3
>made by current day Capcom
Yeah...
No thanks.

>>718955007
Faggot tranime nigger.
Sentence: kys.

>>718954690
damn.... look at all that scramble....

>>718955231
You will never fit in.

>>718954690
'98 is the last good KoF.

>>718954690
based E rank gameplay

>>718955464
Oh, fuck off.

>>718882225 (OP)
What SNK did to mah boi is even worse.

>>718955579
You know it's true, Paco. The more fighting games focus on BEEG COMBOS the shittier they become even if all that flashy shit lulls you into thinking you're watching DBZ or Saint Seiya or whatever.

>>718955759
OK retard.

>>718955371
kys tranime lover, you are the one who will never fit in, but feel free to keep posting so we can keep laugh at (You).

>>718882676
Looks ugly and has no brand recognition

>>718955835
Yeah that's nice and all but you are still a faggot tourist and current day Capcom is still incapable of making a good fighting game.

>>718955502
>based E rank gameplay
Uhh thanks, tough, is kinda hard to find combo trial videos for certain characters like Nikaido

>>718955971
Nah, you're the tranime tourist. Get gassed with your shitty Gulty Tr00n game.

>>718956068
Trying way, way too hard buddy.

>>718956118
Saddest part is you're a tranime fighting lover.
Very disguasting desudesu.

>>718955994
bro you arent playing some fucking anime fighter just linking 3 normals together and ending it with some special move is fine

>>718954690
SOVL

>>718956272
Crapcom caters more to trannies(mutts) than anime desu.

>>718893841
Didn't they get some greybeards to "finish" one of the Samsho titles in a recent collection? I can only assume Garou 2 was never that far along

SNK WILL be putting out all the stops for Chun-Li, right? After what Capcom was able to do with Mai, making her popular and loved(being good also helps), SNK just HAS to deliver quality in-return.

>>718957301
Not true and NOT kino, stay mad, lmao!

>>718947276
Not really a "guest", but more AoF nigs, like Yuri cosplaying as Ms. Karate. Maybe even work a few KoF characters into the FF canon.

>>718951143
This. I hope down the line they change the DJ to Duck and i guess the soccer boy can be reskinned to an original character since i kinda like the idea of the character in a nod to KoF US sports team and Laurence Blood.

>>718958519
I wonder what brakes she'll have

>>718959232
>This is the american official ambassador for crapcom
>ITS NOT TROO!!!
Cope

>>718958519
God, I wish Capcom had treated Chun-li as well as they treated Mai. Mai looks nice in SF6 but Chun-li got that botched, caricature-like face, retarded fighting stance, wrong proportions and choppy animations. What the FUCK were they thinking?

>>718958519
>the ugly sf6 costume
no

>>718960027
Ronaldo being Roberto instead would have actually been cool as far as guests go. Wouldn't be someone anyone would expect, is a cool niche pick from a cool niche game and hell given the timing it could have been a way of advertising CFC2.

>>718961141
Ken has both costumes, why wouldn't she? although Alpha is best

>>718961881
Also goddman I'd like to see the USA Sports Team back in KoF and use some fucking World Heroes characters too. Ryoko seems like such a no brainer as she's already a modern character (no need to bullshit why she's there), is cute and has big boobs and uses a fighting style that's really only represented in KoF by Daimon and her playstyle is way speedier and more aggressive so would fit well in KoF.

I'm ashamed to admit I used to mix up World Heroes with Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter. I bet casuals would eat up those latter two games nowadays though, they seem to want gimmicks to deviate from the standard SF mold. Makes me think CotW would've done better incorporating line sway as a default instead of confining it as an alternate version of a single stage. If it added DLC stages like RB1 with multiple lanes and ringouts, I'd probably pick it back up for a day or two.

>>718963347
I think most people would have cried if SNK added ring outs or multi-lanes to COTW. People wanted another MoTW, not another FF game.

>>718964216
Here in America, the vast majority had 0 frame of reference for what they wanted. At worst you might've had some hipsters crying that it 0% resembled the canceled MotW2 as opposed to the 10% that we got. It's not an invalid point you're making, though, as SNK fans do love to cry and throw fits online over their specific expectations not being met, regardless of how indicative those are of a market at large. I've already seen people say the game should've had lanes as the default instead of an extra.

>>718963347
>>718964216
I played and enjoyed Real Bout Special a LOT more than Mark of the Wolves so personally I would have fucking loved a Real Bout sequel instead of a Mark of the Wolves sequel, but I also have literally no idea what other people want.

>>718946348
kof13 had the veneer of popularity at first, but that soon waded quickly after the dust settled and it was revealed to be a touch-of-death comeback mechanic simulator.
Game didn't even receive a balance patch and nearly all the DLC chars were pay-to-win. SNK pivoted immediately from that gameplay in the next sequel.

The move to 3D excuse was the sprites were too expensive. The problem for them was their engine looks like mid-budget PS4 shovelware shit. Even mobile tier if you squint and the KOF gameplay doesdn't transition well to 3D. Looks janky in spots. I don't know what the saudis were thinking, how this i.p. is a seller when all metrics show it wasn't for the longest time.

Why is SNK bothering to buff Ronaldo, when it's apparent that he and the DJ aren't liked nor wanted at all? Did the massive backlash when they were revealed, the non-sales they bought to the game, and how they're the least played characters in the game somehow not clued SNK in on how hated they are yet?

>>718965782
I'm kind of surprised by the DJ.
I thought people warmed up to him on release do to his weird style of gameplay.

I hope down the line they release a better balanced, all DLC included, guest fags removed/altered version of the game. I dont want to not support a new FF game, but its current state is not appetizing at all. Sand nigs have no clue wtf they are doing.

>SamSho dead because SNK literally refuses to do good online
>SF6 coinflip rushdown simulator
>Tekken 8 coinflip rushdown simulator

I have no desire to play basically fucking anything.

>>718965871
They mostly warmed up to him but he's a pretty weak character once you get past his gimmicks.

>>718883120
This obsession over "CRINGE" in a fucking video game only exists in the minds of terminally online autists.

Most human beings don't take games as seriously as your retarded ass thinks they do. They're going to look at CR in a game and think it's either super cool or won't be convinced enough to buy it. But there is not a significant number of people actively avoiding a game entirely because of a fucking cameo who would otherwise be stoked about it.

The simple reasons this game failed were because a) it has subpar graphics, like PS3 tier, b) the Fatal Fury franchise is not popular or recognizable world wide, c) the beta revealed that the game mechanics were too difficult to learn for most players, the netcode, menu UI and other QoL were all shit.

Those are the REAL reasons why a niche game from an already niche genre fail.

>>718963347
A new Savage Reign leaning into like a grimy '80s/'90s OVA aesthetic i.e. looking like one of those sleazy Kawajiri movies that would play on Showtime and shit in the '90s with fast, flashy tag gameplay would be pretty good.

>>718965314
I don't even know if it's true that the sprites were more expensive, it's that their process for sprites in 12/13 was expensive because they would create 3D models and then trace over them so it took forever and you were essentially doing both 3D AND sprites just to get sprites in the first place. Like the idea that sprites are insanely expensive is retarded, otherwise you wouldn't be getting poverty doujin fighters and shit doing them.

>>718966443
Who the fuck do you think was going to buy this game? Normal nigs didn't even have it on their radar and the shill characters put off exactly the type of people they had to appeal to who wanted to buy a new FF game. You know what would have appealed more to their customer base? More actual SNK characters.

>>718966785
Doing sprites on that quality is expensive. Indie game sprites are at the fidelity of late 90s games at best.

>>718964908
Real Bout is good but I feel like its "chain combos" are overstated, the game is punch/kick/heavy with P/K both being like lights, so it mainly amounts to something like doing a light chain into command normal like KoF has, anyway. I liked RB2 a lot though, but this was back in '09.

I think a problem with CotW is that it's in this uncanny divide between the two. It has line sway but only one stage. It has chains but they're dumbed down and universal, and coexist with things like MotW guard cancels, which are also tuned to more match RB2 breakshots by costing meter. I remember Oda saying they DIDN'T just want to make Garou 2, they wanted it to encompass the whole series to some extent, and I think that's to the game's detriment in the end. Either go all-in on making a new Fatal Fury OR a new Garou, don't half-ass them both and tape it together.

>>718947998
no one played garou back in the the day you fucking retard. if it was that big of a success SNK wouldn't have filled for bankruptcy after it released
no one played garou back in the day. people didn't even knew that game existed. you are just another retarded faggot who believes that internet discourse = reality.
you probably believe that he N64 and sold more than PS1 because retards in the internet astroturf that console to hell and back

>>718966851
Yeah, I bet all those 50 angry SNK fans who only play mature video games for mature gamers sure would have made a difference if CR wasn't in the roster. Remind me again how other SNK games are doing, btw?

>>718967314
>Astroturf
Sony please. The N64 is talked about more because it has more memorable games and is better for multiplayer than the PS1. No one a really thinks it sold more.

>>718967565
64 is more talked about because its fans are unhinged. it is the worst nintendo console by far with 10 games worth playing.
>better for multiplayer
yeah, like running multiplayer at 5 fps even with the expansion pak. and if you don't that the mode doesn't even work

>>718966957
>Either go all-in on making a new Fatal Fury OR a new Garou, don't half-ass them both and tape it together.
Yeah... I honestly had not thought about it that way but unfortunately I agree, it does feel like the result would have been a lot cleaner if they had committed to either one.

>>718967565
Pro-N64-ness literally comes from A) millenials had one as a kid and B) emulation making the games a lot better. But in reality the console is not that good to go back to.

I had both a N64 and a PlayStation and I fucking loved them both. It is mind boggling seeing console war faggotry around them in 2025 kek

>>718967498
Those are 50 SNK fans willing to buy a new entry in a dead SNK franchise, as opposed to 0 sales from the vast majority they were trying so desperately to appeal to that don't even know what the fuck a SNK is.

Weren't CR and that other guy added literally just because the Saudis like them and they asked SNK to do it for the memes, and not as any kind of marketing strategy?

>>718968786
The point, you absolute retard, is that with or without CR, this game still would have been an abject failure because there are problems way more severe that turned off a larger number of people than a fucking cameo.

>>718882225 (OP)
>no shermie
>no buy
simple as

Sol Badguy alone is cooler than every single character in the fatal fury nevermind KOF franchise ever.
>uh uh SOIVER TRANNY LMAO
Soive just had a dogshit half season patch and had thrice the playerbase of launch COTW.
Biggest fucking scam in the history of fighting games is oldheads propagating the lie that SNK's charadesigns were ever good at any point in time. These games were popular in the 90s because Arcade was still everywhere in japan in the 90s and still sf2 were and remained far far bigger because even Blanka's ugly ass is 50 times more interesting than Iori's faggot looking hair.
There isn't a single good looking SNK character, not even angel, not even shermie stop lying to yourself, even Terry is a terrible design.
>fat balding 50yo fighting game """""veterans"""""" seethe
That's the harsh fucking truth and you need to accept it before trying to come up with whatever conspiracy onto why people under 25 (more like under 30) wont play those shitty fucking games.

>>718971051
Sol is cool
You are still a gigantic faggot, please keep your dogshit opinions to yourself next time.

>>718957792
>Didn't they get some greybeards to "finish" one of the Samsho titles in a recent collection?
They gave unfinished v perfect to guys from exArcadia
https://youtu.be/PoVlwtdIxj8?si=fz9mxjB-ROUrLUfP

>>718882225 (OP)
a shame honestly
I hate to see SNK like this

KOF is their main battle horse and lacked the foresight to properly develop content for it
KOF 15 is a great fucking game, but could have reach greater heights

at this point I just want CVS3, the only thing that can bring back snk into the picture

>>718882676
1. Because CoTW didn’t have the name brand recognition of KoF
2. Last Garou game came out over 25 years ago
3. The last Garou was lean and this one just feels like KoF-lite
4. Despite all the attempts at attracting zoomies this was a much harder and less accessible game than SF6
5. Despite SNK games looking better every time a new one drops it’s still always leagues behind its contemporaries which turns people off
6. SNK characters are unironically more popular being Capcom’d than the other way around. That’s why Mai and Terry have high usage rates in SF6.
7. Allot of people were turned off by the usage of real world people as guest characters

I’m sure there’s more reasons but yeah SNK will never be top dawg in this genre.