Thread 718906670

I think we should give Team Ninja a chance. Yeah the alpha was dogshit and the feedback responce basically confirmed that it's a destined to flop casualised slop in the making, but that doesn't mean they can't fix everything in dlcs and ng+ content if we support them with our wallets.

>SLOPPERDEFLOP
>FLOPPERDESLOP
I wish you people spoke like actual humans

I stopped at Nioh 1. It was boring.

>>718906670 (OP)
>have to buy the game AND the dlcs just for them to fix the game, months after release
just say you enjoy eating shit, pooferjeet.

The Alpha was good though.

>>718906670 (OP)
Nioh 3 killed the IP and franchise.
- boring time wasting OPEN-WORLD slop
- 50% of the weapons are locked to Ninja Style and Ninja Style doesn't have weapon stances.
- humanoid enemy AI are much more passive now when it is 2v1 or more, they don't properly attack you anymore.

And then came the alpha feedback report:

- Adjust gimmicks and enemies that were unreasonably difficult.
- Make the motions for using Elixirs faster.
- Make highly requested adjustments while maintaining the tension of encounters with formidable enemies. (they are lying here, highly requested means dumbing it down, tension won't be maintained, it will be reduced)
- Make adjustments to the performance of some overpowered enemies.
- Reduce the HP for some overpowered enemies.
- Reduce the target tracking abilities of enemies to make it possible to flee from them.
- Improve replayability by making it possible for players to fully recover from Life Corrosion when their Guardian Spirits return to their side.
- Make it possible to recover from Life Corrosion by using Elixirs via the effects of Jizo Blessings.
- Decrease the speed of Scampusses just after they have moved.

I am not buying this casualized abomination, Team Ninja sold out.

>>718906670 (OP)
Nobody even played the beta because nobody owns a PS5. I'm waiting for release to try the game out. If it's bad it's bad. But Nioh 2 was great so I'll try it out.

>I think we should give Team Ninja a chance.
Nioh 1 and 2 are both in my top ten. I'm more than willing to give them a chance. I'm a patient gamer I waited for the DLC to be out with 1 and 2, I'll do the same with 3.

>>718906670 (OP)
The biggest issue for Nioh 3 is that it has competition.

https://youtu.be/kwVgxmwgkfI

Not really feeling a bait thread today lads, go on without me.

>>718910956
Phantom Blade 0 is casual garbage, worse than Nioh 3.

>>718906670 (OP)
Why did they stop using the white man?

>>718910992
Rubbish.

>>718907806
>Yo but FromSoft did it and they sold 20MM+ copies! That means it will work for us too! It's science
t. some retard in a Koei Tecmo board room meeting.

>>718911046
>Phantom Blade 0 is casual garbage, worse than Nioh 3.
Oh, you're the 'Nioh 2 is better in every way' type of guy. Go and play that forever then while the rest of us move on.

>>718911264
When Nioh 1 was released, it ended up being Koei Tecmo's most successful selling IP in the west for them.

>>718911434
Is this parry slop? I'm so sick of that shit.

>>718911518
No, blocking.

>>718911615
Timed block slop is the same as parry slop.

>>718911650
Now you're just making shit up.

>>718911673
What is a parry if not a timed blocking of damage?

>>718907806
Open world is such a curse on gaming. Look at how boring Elden Ring is outside of the dungeons. A logical mind would say "why not something like Elden Ring, but with no fluff in the middle, just dungeons"?
But to the developers poisoned by reading Twitter posts of the most brain dead "gamers" they come to the conclusion that the real fun is in exploring some digital field full of nothing.
Nioh was already better than ER in that it had self contained stages for you to select and progress through without any faggy horse riding sections. TN is ALWAYS trend-chasing and learning the wrong lessons from other games in the industry. Nioh2 is the exception where they iterated on Nioh1 and made it better. All their other experiments were steps in the wrong direction trying to half-heartedly mimic what other souls games were doing.

>>718911481
That was a double edged sword. It put a point on their graph. Just do what From does and get more sales! It's science!

>>718911701
A timed block is still just a timed block. There are games that give you a benefit like zero guard damage, but that's it.

Try harder next time, your counter arguments are piss poor.

>>718911650
>slop slop slop
Are you pig? Jesus christ, dude

>>718911434
This looks so ass. Sick of chink souls garbage

The Nioh 3 alpha was so good that it made me finally play and platinum Nioh 2. I have half a mind to even try Stranger of Paradise, I'd certainly try that before I played Chinese or Korean Soulslop.

>>718911859
SoP is really good. You should play it yesterday.

>>718906670 (OP)
>I think we should give Team Ninja a chance
Don't fall for this, they said the same thing last time

>>718911839
Thanks for confirming it's just slop

>>718912052
You don't know what parry slop is. It has already been explained in detail in these threads. Nioh 2 is riddled with it.

>>718911928
fuck you wo long was good

Parryslop>Rollslop, I don't see the big deal.

>>718906670 (OP)
no thanks

>>718912191
>Parryslop>Rollslop, I don't see the big deal.
You forgot comboslop.

>>718911434
>all those unnecessary retarded ching chong wuxia movements
This webm killed any interest I had in this game.

>>718912191
Nioh 2 fanboys would rather it be "grind your armor / weapon set and then pre-buff / kill everything with confusion" slop.

>>718906748
They do not, which is why nobody listens to them insufferable on 4chan as much as they are in real life.

>>718912508
But enough about Nioh

>>718911928
Wo Long is great. Strangers Of Paradise is even greater. Objectively shit taste and shit opinions.

>>718912508
>This webm killed any interest I had in this game
You never knew about the game until that webm.

>>718912539
They think Stances = Depth which makes Stamina worse.

>>718912539
Call it comboslop.

>>718912191
This. Deflecting an enemy attack and countering with a big dick move is infinitely more satisfying than dodging out of the way and getting a hit in from behind. Only contrarian retards hate Parrykino. Probably becuase they know Sekiro mogs their favourite action game and they can't cope with this objective reality.

>>718912625
I'm fucking with you chill
Wo Long was parryslop, it wasn't the worst parryslop I've ever seen and I got some enjoyment out of it but that design direction is a dead end
SoP was pretty great desu

>>718911928
Hang pvpniggers

>>718912623
Nioh doesn't have ching chong wuxia retardation, 100x flipping 100x random flapping arm movements 100x spinning nonsense 100x retarded sword swings and stabs.

This ching chong wuxia retardation is so immersion breaking and cringe.

>>718912702
If you think the parry was the issue with Wo Long you're a brain damaged retard who has never in his entire life had a single organic thought, you get your opinions form /v/.

>>718912876
It objectively does in fact. Nioh's animations are retardedly over the top and flashy.

>>718912660
Stamina in Nioh literally only exists to punish people who don't press 3 extra buttons after every action so that players can imagine they're doing something impressive because their APM is a bit higher than other soulslikes

>>718912883
If you think Wo Long wasn't a game entirely ABOUT parrying then you didn't play Wo Long you disingenuous little shit, take a long walk off a short reddit pier

I do like NIoh but yeah I have to agree it's nowhere near as deep as Niohfags love pretending it is. Nioh is the poster child for complexity disguised as depth. You can't just add more and more mechanics and think it makes your games combat more deep. It doesn't work that way.

>>718912702
Can agree SoP needs to be in Nioh 3. If it can be like that, I will play thousands of hours.

>>718912993
And given how you are completely lacking in reading comprehension and argued against something I did not in fact say, I can only say thank you for proving my point that you are a brain damaged retard. You can't even read a simple sentence, you have no place talking about combat systems.

>>718913071
Since you didn't actually make any argument you will be pleased to know that I accept your concession

>>718912947
Japanese have a degree of realism and logic behind the "over the topness" and "flashyness", it makes sense, it doesn't break immerison.

ching chong "over the topness" is just utterly cringe and immersion breaking, because it is full of illogical energy wasting retarded movements, 100x unnecessary flips, 100x arms wildly flapping like some retarded bird, 100x spinning on every slash and stab attack. This wuxia retardation originates from the inferior ching chong chinese culture that is based on fakeness and scamming, kung fu is fake, tai chi is fake, wing chun is fake, that is why their masters get humiliated by amateur MMA fighters.

No proper human can enjoy chinese ching chong retardation and fakeness.

>>718913130
Why would I bother wasting my time making an argument for a retard who's too fucking stupid to actually be capable of comprehending it or even basically understanding it? I don't look for my dog for riveting discussions nor do I look for you.

>>718906748
You lost.

>>718913353
niohxisters... we heckin lost...

Idk man i really enjoyed the alpha. They released a list of changes they are going to make based on feedback and it seems to fix almost everything I had a problem with.

https://teamninja-studio.com/nioh3/us/feedback.html

Also they confirmed recently that the demo was only 10% of the game

>>718910956
>Chinese
No thanks.

>>718913190
>ching chong "over the topness" is just utterly cringe and immersion breaking, because it is full of illogical energy wasting retarded movements
Depends
The point of chink-fu is that it's fantasy martial arts, there's supposed to be a mysticism to it. That mysticism hinges on the idea that you can achieve inhuman feats through advanced esoteric technique beyond the comprehension of normal people. It's a romantic idea, you have to be able to vibe with it.

You're don't have to believe it's real IRL, you are missing the point. Elves aren't real either, but you can enjoy fantasy with elves through suspension of disbelief
Or do you complain about realism when Ryu throws a fireball?

>>718906670 (OP)
Looks great, you're a faggot

>>718911434
Looks like shit, thanks

>>718906670 (OP)
Why can't you try to have a normal discussion about a game? Why do you have to talk like a turbofaggot? Are you doing this on purpose? Is this some poisoning the well shit? Kill yourself and never make another thread again

>>718911701
>What is a parry
If you want to get accurate, it's supposed to be a counter attack, which also guards against the opponent's attack. That's the martial arts definition.
Soulslikes have never done it like that though, instead it is a timed block which allows you to take no damage and (usually) stuns the opponent.

These devs are fucking retarded

>>718914109
Nothing wrong with class specific weapons

>>718913774
That is what I am talking about, I don't mind fantasy, as long as it follows some form of logic that keeps my immersion. Throwing fireballs is not immersion breaking to me, but doing unnecessary spins on 80% of the sword swings/stabs, having your arms flap around like some weird bird etc. is just immersion breaking. Japanese over the topness is mostly based on speed, the majority of movements are not "waste of energy and unnecessary". I don't know how to better explain my point than this.

>>718913971
We had some great discussions when alpha dropped but since then everyone moved on and now you only have faggots like op who can't talk without inserting slop in their sentences. Also there's nothing to really discuss till we get more info.

>>718914109
Im going trust team ninja on this.

>>718914254
>nothing wrong with dumbing down the game and taking away 50% of builds and playstyle variety
>>718914374
>Team Ninja gave me really tasty meat to eat in the past, it smelled good and tasted good, this time they are serving dogshit which smells bad, but I am going to TRUST them on this and eat the dogshit anyway, maybe it won't taste bad.

>>718914109
Does it really matter when you can switch between Samurai and Ninja at any time?

>>718914487
>>nothing wrong with dumbing down the game
How is the game dumbed down lmao

>>718914524
It matters since ninja doesn't have stances or ki pulses, so one of the playstyles has way less options and depth.

>>718914487
>>Team Ninja gave me really tasty meat to eat in the past, it smelled good and tasted good, this time they are serving dogshit which smells bad, but I am going to TRUST them on this and eat the dogshit anyway, maybe it won't taste bad.
Nice fetish disguised as a food analogy. I'll be pre ordering.

>>718906670 (OP)
>Yeah the alpha was dogshit
What the hell are you smoking nigga, it was kino.

>>718906670 (OP)
I'll be buying. As always, op is a faggot.

>>718906670 (OP)
I 100% both Nioh games and I will not even pirate Nioh 3. So tired of soulshit, so tired of TN doing the same thing for over 10 years, they also went woke now we have body types instead of male and female.

>>718914524
>Does it really matter when you can switch between Samurai and Ninja at any time?
I don't give a shit about ki pulse being absent, but we already know that the kusarigama for ninja stance is going to be own unique moveset. That bums me out because I like the kusarigama moveset from the previous games.

>>718914784
>they also went woke now we have body types instead of male and female.
Yes you sound genuinely upset over this, definitely not manufactured faggotry

>>718914374
You should trust people not whole companies, the lead producer Kohei shibatas only two producer credits are the master collection and fucking yaiba, we don't even know whose directing it

>>718914791
>That bums me out because I like the kusarigama moveset from the previous games
I hope kusa isn't exclusive to ninja. The og movesets are so good, even with poor tracking of some skills

>sequel game introduces mechanic
>it's 10 times over represented into the flow of gameplay
>many such cases
Boy I can't wait to repeatedly switch between Samurai and Ninja over and over and OVER and OVER and OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER

>>718911434
>suck to target attacks
garbage """game"""

>>718914972
>Boy I can't wait to repeatedly switch between Samurai and Ninja over and over and OVER and OVER and OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER
This but unironically. Stranger of paradise is kino

>>718914972
this but SF6's drive system

Which will be better between the two?

>>718915292
I'll be buying both day 1. I bought a new pc specifically for nioh 3 but replaying ng trilogy recently got me very hyped for 4.

>>718906670 (OP)
Nope
After the flop that will be nioh3 and ng4 i think team ninja will finally shutdown for good this time

I wouldn't put it past TN to jeopardize Nioh 3 with some arbitray design decisions only they feel positive about, the ninja-samurai weapon split excuses reek of how they justified Wo Long gameplay on release being one-note because they "didn't want to overwhelm players". The game is still mashy but resembles fun, adding 4 more martial arts to weapons and more melee-based magic was pretty game-changing

Team Ninja ended with Stranger of Paradise. Everything after has been retarded. They're chasing a demographic that doesn't give a shit. Even if you do 50% of the complexity of Nioh 2, it's going to be too much for fans of Sekiro. Wo Long became tolerable after all the patching, but it's soulless. Rise of the Ronin is empty as shit AND panders to "u can pet the cat" retards. It's done, it's over, replay Nioh2/SoP/old TN games forever.

>>718915585
>the ninja-samurai weapon split excuses reek of how they justified Wo Long gameplay on release being one-note
It feels nothing like this though

>Nioh 1 in my life time
>Nioh 2 in my life time
>now Nioh 3 in my life time

It's a goddamn great time to be a living action enjoyer.

>>718915585
Yasuda talked about how they already accomplished everything they wanted to do in nioh2 so it makes sense every future change is just random bullshit.

>>718915647
I am not saying the situation is identical, only that TN is capable of mishandling innovation and being oblivious to it
>>718915756
Should at the very least do away with ninja mode weapon exlusivity, I'd understand if ninja didn't have all the weapons but there is no reason to deprive samurai of existing movesets. I hope it's not the case

>>718916038
>TN is capable of mishandling innovation and being oblivious to it
True. Though they're much more likely to kill their game by shitting the bed on release like they've done with everything since nioh 2. In this case it'll probably be shitty pc performance

>>718906670 (OP)
Alpha was kino and I allready know what I'm getting into.
>we
kill your absolute fucking self

Changing between ninja and samurai is effectively a kind of stance switching. Saying
>You can only use X weapon in ninja stance
Is like crying over not being able to use kusarigama with the odachi's moveset. One weapon plays one way, another plays another way. Now it's just the case that they wanted a completely different set of rules for certain weapon types.

>>718916187
>2 styles
>2 weapons for each style instantly accessible
The styling videos we'll see will be absurd

>>718915292
I am buying both day one

lol and fuck nioh these games are trash get a hobby if you consider this worth your time

>>718916187
There's no reason to not include the legacy movesets in samurai style, as it is right now it's a downgrade since ninja is worse to play than samurai

>>718916313
>not include the legacy movesets in samurai style
they don't? The weapons aren't exclusive to each mode, people found them in the alpha

>>718916294
>/v/ - video games

>>718916383
Read the latest interview it's confirmed only a few weapons are multi style

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/1mvvjrq/interview_with_shibata_by_shi%E5%92%AA_and_%E7%8B%BC%E5%92%A9%E5%AD%90_at/

>>718915426
literally me

What are the must have attack modifiers to put on armor in Nioh 1?
Also, is it me or are waistguards the worst piece of armor in terms of available modifiers? Seems like the best thing you can put on them is Tenacity, Shorten Recovery, Run Speed and a surrounded bonus.

>>718915585
Wo Long is a fantastic fun game bro you should give it a chance if you liked Nioh.

>>718911928
Wolong was based kys

>>718916415
doh

>>718916285
kek

>>718916285
You again

>>718916434
Just look up a build guide on youtube

>we perfected player progression with Nioh 2
>so we're gonna ignore that and fuck it up with our next titles
Wo Long and SoP were a fucking disappointment post ng.
Dunno about RotR, that one doesn't interest me because fighting only humans isn't fun for me.
And I'm waiting to see how they'll handle it in Nioh 3 before wasting my money on it.

>>718916664
? what you mean again bro I havent been in a team ninja thread in quiet a while bro but I am happy that you recognized me bro

>>718916756
>doesnt like Wo Long
>doesnt like Jacks game
I would expect nothing more from a /v nigger faggot lmao

>>718916771
I recognise your ronin kek. We haven't had enough TN threads

>>718916483
I have some 200 hours in it

>>718916868
read nigga, read

>>718916756
>SoP were a fucking disappointment post ng.
SoP had the best endgame with rifts, easily.

>>718906670 (OP)
Nioh was such slop that I will never trust team ninja fans again.

>>718916925
dont read to read the rest of your abysmally shit nigger faggot opinions bro

>>718916981
Filtered

>>718916756
SoP endgame is the most poorly thought out design choices I've seen in a long, long time. There's a breakpoint for your damage, whether physical or actual break damage, in which you suddenly do HUGE numbers to them. Let's say they have 250 defense against break damage (to simplify it), at 249 Agility, you do barely any damage, at 250 damage you do a lot of damage, and 251 agility you do insane damage, basically 3 shotting them, trivializing everything. It's terrible.

Just replay NG cycles if you want any semblance of challenge, but that gets old really fast.

i'm tired of difficult souls like games
i will only play new games that have an easy mode

Just started a "new"(continuing from my last dropped playthrough at chapter 2) playthrough of Nioh 2 with the intent to actually do the NG+ content this time. What weapon am I going to use?
Mostly used spears/tonfas/fist weapons so far previously

>>718917010
dont need* lol

>>718914109
Not a fan of them gutting the Kusa moveset, ngl

>>718917050
>souls
I play nioh because it doesn't feel like souls and is fun

>>718917068
switchglaive

>>718916953
rifts were fine but the rng on blessings were not, you can't target farm them like you can graces in nioh
also reaching the last difficulty was a slog for me despite using the perma chaos mode

>>718915292
Obviously Ninja Gaiden 4.

Team Ninja sold out with Nioh 3, open-world cancer slop.

>>718917114
I liked the extra moves for enemies on lufenian but they should have been introduced sooner. Also the other anon talking about damage break points is right. I love rifts but the actual stats in sop are all over the place

>>718915585
>adding 4 more martial arts to weapons
They did? You only having 2 skills per weapon was my biggest turn off

>>718917261
You get 6 total now but they're still randomised.

>>718917261
They made a lot of good changes, take a look through the changelogs. It makes the game much better, but still not even close to Nioh territory. The endgame 1,000 steps or whatever it was called still sucks, because they purposefully buff the mobs/bosses to make you play the simon says style. You can ignore a lot of the simon says gameplay up until that point with the martial arts system, and spells.

>>718917261
good stay out
Wo Long is too based for a faggot like you anyway.

>>718917335
Can't you select which martial arts you want on a weapon after you unlock that feature in higher difficulty?

>>718917068
>NG+ content this time
All of them

>>718910956
I fully intend on buying both. Onimusha too. And I'm gonna enjoy all of em. Competition my arse

>>718918116
based af
only games we avoid and stay away from
are chink and gook unreal engine slop. they all suck, every single one of them. soulless af.

>>718918197
>chink and gook unreal engine slop.
So wuchang and pbz? Way ahead of you

>>718918116
Based samurai enjoyer

>>718918116
They're releasing a new Onimusha?

>>718914791
>>718914905
Weapons being on Ninja style ultimately only means that the base moveset will be changed, which is at most one less string since Ninja gets both ground and air strings unlike Samurai which has very basic air options. Stances being replaced by aerial options and Ninjutsu leads to just as much depth in different areas and the weapons have always had several inputs still usable to fit most if not all options in. Kusarigama was in the Alpha and it had several of its old skills as well as new and adjusted ones like a new aerial gapcloser pull and air Reaper. Barely anyone in here has played the Alpha and even less people can read or think logically since they have only expanded on options even further while maintaining borderline everything even at an Alpha stage. But what more can you expect from a schizo thread which is founded on lies and denial of reality.

>>718914487
You never played the alpha so you wouldn't it was fun

>>718918518
>Barely anyone in here has played the Alpha
That's because they released it on the snoystation. I'm stuck speculating and with 2nd hand info because these nips can't code for pc to save their life. I dread to think how poorly nioh 3 will bomb if they repeat wo long simultaneous launch.

>>718917698
You can.

>>718918587
>I'm stuck speculating
Then what is it you want to know? I'll stick around for a few more minutes. To get some obvious ones out of the way, yes it's good, the open field is surprisingly small and densely populated with enemies which is a good thing and you can focus purely on using either Samurai or Ninja if you want to but I would consider that a coward move.

>>718918759
>To get some obvious ones out of the way, yes it's good, the open field is surprisingly small and densely populated
That's what I was hoping for, and have heard, because them announcing it as open world was a big red flag. I think all the other info I want isn't something anyone has access to. Things like how many weapons, which is locked to specific style etc. I'd love to see how they expand on ninja style too

>>718918905
The map hints at Ninja Style getting new movement abilities. There's spots that definitely feel made for Ryu style back to back wall jumps to climb

>>718918518
I see no reason as to why these aerial attacks can't just be apart of your normal kit, there's nothing about the system that actually justified it and it was way less fun to play than samurai

>>718919062
>back to back wall jumps to climb
Kino in the making. If team ninja somehow manage to merge nioh combat with ng combat in a way that doesn't trivialise every enemy it'll be peak.

>>718911264
You didn't play the alpha. Kill yourself.

I have no problem with timely guard in nioh 2, but I fear they will focus too much in deflect/parry like in wo long.

>>718906670 (OP)
OK
no memeing no bullshit this time
why are people mad about Nioh 3
before answering consider: I liked Nioh 2, I believe that the whole "you be ninja7samurai" is a gimmick but one that we'll only know if it works when the game is released and that Wo Schlong was so garbage I didnt even went through the first mission

>>718919134
>>718919062
Fuck it, just port dragon sword, 2kat, staff, kusa, claw and scythe movesets straight from razors edge to nioh 3

>>718906670 (OP)
So glad they are moving into the future i.e. open world games. Ideally all games should be open world seeing as narrow corridors are a silly remnant of a low memory soulless age. In an open world games can BREATHE and it feels great to just soak in the atmosphere of a rolling field at dusk. Beautiful.

>>718919134
It feels nothing like NG, don't know where you would get that idea

>>718911090
>irish
>white

Action games ravaged by the introduction of parry mechanics like Black communities ravaged by crack in the 80s
How long will games have to be shit before we slay this demon

>>718919373
>Action games ravaged by the introduction of parry mechanics
Yeah it's been downhill ever since onimusha introduced a parry in 2001

>>718917261
Yeah, you now also have multiple spirit bars you can charge so you no longer just always blow it on the spirit attack

>>718918905
The open world term was a mistranslation they actively chased after and removed. They've always described it as open field and made a point of discussing how they've focused on maintaining the balance and feel of Nioh levels, which came through in the area feeling like it was multiple Nioh levels stuck together. Main missions also come in separate areas you can replay at any shrine as well.
>how many weapons, which is locked to specific style etc.
I don't know if you've seen the out of bounds footage but from that and making some logical assumptions via the skill points it's extremely likely that the Ninja weapons will be Kusarigama, Tonfa, Hatchets and Splitstaff, all of which would be able to handle the swap very well. That would likely leave Samurai having Spear, Axe, Odachi and Switchglaive, and this is also disregarding any completely new weapons that might be added.
>>718919128
Because "you have some more attacks in the air" isn't nearly as big or interesting an addition as "you have a whole new style that adds a full extra moveset and gear set you can switch on the fly and combo between along with expansions to Ninjutsu". Ninja is adding vastly more than just that, it's just the most obvious comparison to make when people are concerned about losing number of attack options compared to Samurai.

>>718919516
Hatchets without stances sounds insanely retarded

>>718919516
Honestly the open world thing was my only concern. Beyond that I didn't like the feedback we saw regarding nerfing enemies because the footage I've watched of people playing, the human enemies already looked relatively passive and with the addition of ninja style the player is more mobile than ever

>>718919753
Human enemies were exactly as active as they've always been, the ones that were in the Alpha were largely the lower tier variants and revenants in both styles could be a menace if you gave them an inch. I think the feedback talking about nerfing enemies is retarded too but the downside of them taking feedback is that retards get a say. There were multiple new enemies that could still keep up with Ninja style just fine and the new things we have give me some hope they'll have to actively increase the challenge to keep up.

Only Nioh 1 was good
Bring back William or his son and get rid of customizable main character faggotry

>>718919491
They really did a lot to improve the game, guess I gotta get it now

>>718920078
I really hope they drop a beta to pc. For a wider range of feedback and to test performance on pc

>>718906670 (OP)
Obligatory.

>>718920282
But I want to play as my waifu

>>718919516
I honestly just don't see why can't all weapons be used in both styles, the samurai movesets already exist. The problem isn't that ninja mode exists, it's just the locked weapons

>>718920365
You need to know that this is all on NG+++, you need higher rarity weapons for more martial arts, and unfortunately higher NG+ cycles are DLC as usual with TN. I actually don't know how things are in base NG.

>>718910956
This game seems complete garbage in everything except for the combat SYSTEM. Honestly, seems it would get pretty boring pretty quickly. It's like Stranglehold to Max Payne.

>>718920365
They also added a vignette filter that you can't disable and it makes the game dark as fuck.
Get it only when it's under 20 bucks.

>>718920551
Actually, the music is pretty good, I'll give you that.

>>718907806
>>718911739
A nioh game with horseback riding for the purpose of clearing huge distances in a big open world full of nothing sounds like a nightmare conclusion. We're in the wrong timeline.

>>718920405
B-balan-sama...

>>718906670 (OP)
>Yeah the alpha was dogshit
You didn't even play the alpha.

It's funny that omega force another koei studio tried open world then immediately ditched it once it failed, but TN are still going full steam ahead on it even after ronin flopped

>>718914068
not even close, a parry just deflects the opponents attack, thats how its always been used, and this use predates the word "block." irl theres no attack portion to a parry, unless you count the karate thing of hurting the opponents limbs with your blocks etc

>>718911739
Is Nioh 3's open world even that empty? I thought they were going more for the DS1 kind of level design.

>>718920796
Nah, the open field thingy Nioh 3 has going is probably one of the better executions of a pseudo-open world since it's fairly densely packed. Though I'm still not sold on the need to move away from traditional levels. Seeing the huge red eye looming over the center of the map and slowly making your way towards it is cool I guess

>>718920796
It's not even an open world, just large areas to explore broken up by act. /v/ niggers are disingenuous as usual.
And there is plenty to find, the alpha was jam packed with things to discover.

>>718913012
There isn't anything in the combat that is unnecessary though.

>>718920953
It's got bandit camps it's still basically an open world

>>718919373
Man, "tougher" enemies chaining panic into 1 or two extra red attacks must be the gayest part of this shitty game. "Oh you thought the parryslop phase is over? Think again!"
Sadly it seems like it's over for this type of games. From removed the focus on parrying immediately after Sekiro but still ended up making Elden Boring and Armored Snore. I didn't play the latest chinese copycats, but they don't seem to improve anything, just more of the same.

>>718920381
I expect at the very least the last chance trial to be on there, I don't particularly trust the wider feedback range to do any good but they need to make sure performance is strong out of the gate.
>>718920474
It's because they'd have to make 11 full Ninja weapons which are still close enough in scale to Samurai weapons while being essentially all new even with them getting one or two skills from the Samurai one that it would be a huge undertaking. Living Artifact notably exists as well and has unique strings per style which reflect it, so that would need 22 different variants too, all on top of everything else new they're doing. Who knows if they're planning on making completely new weapons for one or both styles as well.

>>718921198
Everyone was CONQUERED the moment TN gutted Nioh 1 after the alpha

>>718921198
Nigger it was easy as fuck.

>>718921198
It was easier than the previous games and from the feedback the final game will be even easier lol

>>718921351
>>718921248
>>718921234
None of you played the Alpha.

>>718921404
I played the Alpha.

>>718921404
Keep coping xister.

>>718921404
I am the Alpha

The one thing I want to know is why oh why won't these Team Ninja faggots invest in a newer engine
I watched some Nioh 3 gameplay and I swear to god it looks just as dated and antiquated as Nioh 2, which looked as dated and antiquated as Nioh 1.
It wouldn't matter if the art style was good, but even in that department it always looks meh and uninspired, the big Yokai enemies too, with the ugly ass yellow crystals on their bodies
Rise of the Ronin looked just as shit, AND on top of that the game has some of the worst optimization known to man on PC
Like I'm not asking for UE5 slop levels of detail, but how about something slightly better, that doesn't make me feel like I'm playing an upscaled version of an ugly PS3 game?

>>718921404
Nigga, Ninja mode trivialises the game. Having a built in empowered ninjutsu that restores charges after slapping enemies around a bit enables for a lot of cheese. Most threatening thing in the Alpha was the big revenant yokai

>>718906670 (OP)
>bro just play the game for 300 hours to get to ng++++, that's when it gets good

>>718921053
>11 full Ninja weapons which are still close enough in scale to Samurai weapons while being essentially all new even with them getting one or two skills
Just port ninja gaiden and rise of the ronin moves. Ez

>>718921234
Yeah, weapon condition really defined nioh 1 alpha.

>>718921480
>>718921445
>>718921431
None of you played the Alpha
>>718921590
Woah, someone who might have played the Alpha...
>Nigga
Oh...probably didn't play the Alpha.

>>718921575
The engine isn't even the problem, DW origins came out this year and looks good and runs well, TN are just terrible coders

>>718921728
>>718921234
TN were just to TERRIFIED to try copying such a behemoth of gaming.

The Onryoki Kabuto is still peak fashion. Hope they put it in 3

>>718921798
The days before Parryschlop
The days when your position in 3D space meant something
Better days

>>718921992
Elden Ring has much more emphasis on positioning than any other Souls game, DS2 faggot

Why cant devs understand that we don't want open world, we want 3d metroidvania??

>>718921575
please understand
we are smallu company

>>718921731
I played the Alpha.

>>718921575
They did. You're just blind and ignorant.
>>718921672
On paper, but not in practice. They still have to decide what to port, if it works, what they need to do to make sure it fits, see what the best options would be between those or even Wo Long/SoP options, then make an actual Nioh moveset consisting of them and balance it. And they would only be able to do that for maybe 20% of some movesets anyway because retards and schizos would shit a river about them doing it at all.

>>718922067
>My CC boyfriend said this

>>718922067
Never played rollparryslop games so I wouldn't know.

>Team Ninja
>last bastion of genuinely good action games
>constantly shat on by /v/
>/v/ simultaneously praises and spams about chink slop
Why?

>>718920405
Balan-sama...

>>718922246
They didn't N3 is still on the katana engine

>>718922350
I love Team Ninja. I love Team China, too. Long live Long Sword!
I got tired halfway through Wo Long, though. The gameplay felt fine, but the rest of it looked like an Chinese action game made in Unity by a team of four alcoholics.

>>718922441
That is the new engine. They moved to it with Wo Long, after Nioh 2.

>>718922793
>but the rest of it looked like an Chinese action game made in Unity by a team of four alcoholics
Kino...

>>718921040
>Man, "tougher" enemies chaining panic into 1 or two extra red attacks must be the gayest part of this shitty game
Whole game is just a memory test. You can't see the followup attacks in the webm in time to parry them visually from animation, so you're forced to just memorise the timing through trial and error and the reward for getting parry is so high that this memory game is more important than anything else you do

>There are people in this thread, who's entire identity is either Nioh or Elden Ring, arguing over what is better

Are you lot even aware just how pathetic that looks to everyone else.

I love how this board has devolved into declaring games terrible which haven't even released yet.

>>718922818
Not really Katana engine is just a rebranded version of their old engine 'LTGL' which they've used since 2006

>>718921575
It's pointless, gaymers will buy anything as long as it's somewhat functional

>>718922067
It's part of why Elden Ring sales mogged Wo Slopong and Rise of the Parryslopper

>>718921575
I don't understand the hate for Ronin, it looks pretty good on a strong PC. Nioh 3 does look worse and yeah it sucks, but I don't play the games for the graphics.

>>718922091
GTA are the best selling games ever and they are not 3D metroidvania

>>718920767
The deflection is only part of the goal of a parry, it's meant to also offend (ideally exploiting an opening in the opponent's attack you're deflecting) or at least set-up your offence. Any purely defensive move is a block, not a parry.

>>718922975
If your personality is being a centrist cuckold then just don't post, we already know Anonymous #718922975 likes everything, you're not adding anything to the conversation.

>>718922993
We already know from the previous games that the Alpha gameplay will basically be what we get in the full game, just with more weapons and easier enemies. A lot of the Alpha feedback was about the enemies being too hard to deal with.

>>718917105
Great recommendation anon. Loving the flow of switchglaive so far.

>>718917068
what the hell do you mean what weapon are you going to use? you're supposed to switch between all of them constantly

>Team Ninja only added jumping back in their games after FromSoft did it first and said it was ok

Creatively bankrupt studio

>>718923273
Your entire identity being a video game is pathetic. The response you gave me is nothing more than reactionary nonsensical babble.

>>718920078
Idk, as someone who played the demo I did feel like the human enemies were less aggressive.

>>718921234
Fuck off nioh alpha tantrum kun

>>718923740
Fully modelled scampussy

>>718923620
>Added executions and ramped up the gore in NG2 after they saw how successful God of War was
>Decided NG3 should focus on story and have a ton of shitty QTEs like every other popular game at the time
They've just been trendchasers since 2005.

>>718922910
It wouldn't be that big of a problem if the counterspark wasn't the absolute best option (like give us a sligtly easier and weaker parry) and the enemies "played along" a bit instead of being unshakeable meat tanks that just power through your attacks. The game is about the swordfighting gymrats so lots of repetition is expected, it's just not fun to play.

>>718907806
People really say shit like this when Nioh 2 was one of the easiest souls-likes I played. The player's tool kit is so massive and most of it is completely unbalanced
>toyotomi clan + extraction talisman
>sloth + electrify + caltrops
>fists w/ reckless charge spam
>tonfas w/ heavenly chain spam
>odachi w/ moonlit snow redux spam
>ippon datara soul core pancakes every enemy and breaks theirs horns, can be spammed non-stop with some build adjustments
>purity weapon and ninja feathers for instant confusion, aka bosses take 50% more damage and can't enter dark realm
inb4 "dude it gets totally hard in NG+5 in the completely optional randomizer mode"

>>718924015
They redeemed 3 with RE unironically. It still filters fags.

>>718924061
Being able to play how you want is fun. Only people claiming nioh was hard are bad at games. Souls likes in general are piss easy and generally a garbage genre

>>718906670 (OP)
it's bound to be enjoyable enough but the ninja transformation shit alone tells me it will be a sidegrade compared to Nioh 2

>>718921575
There was a articlea while back that said theyre making improvements to their engine. No more details other than that.

Playing Nioh 1 right now, because I wanted a break from 2's NG+ stuff. How tf are you supposed to beat all those post-game dual boss missions? Eat amrita crystals in battle and spam LW? Do hit and runs with a spear? Both bosses are full aggression and don't give any breathers.

Honestly, 1 is not a bad game, but the enemy variety is awful (just skeletons and yokis the whole game) and some moments (esp in sub-missions) are giga cheap. Like there was that Gilded Deception sub-mission in DLC1 where you fight 3 revenants with 10x your hp and ki and they 2 tap you with any attacks, how tf do you win this? I tried everything until I realized they don't block flowing shadow, so I just spammed that won. But it didn't feel like I really beat it, it was unsatisfying.

>>718924502
>Flay the cat
>Rabbit body underneath
Deepest lore

>>718906670 (OP)
>flop slop slop flop slop slop flop
spoken like an animal

>>718924685
Found the psychopath that has flayed a cat

>>718924502
Meowch

>>718922350
this place is filled with chink bots who want the future of vidya to be nothing but chink coomer gatcha scams and unreal engine soulless slop

>>718922350
/v/

>>718924768
>>718911848
>>718906748
I have a "flop-slop hater" fatigue, not gonna learn different words for your sake.

>>718922350
>>Team Ninja
>>last bastion of genuinely good action games
Literally how? The only good game they made in last 15 years is Nioh 2. But after SOP, Wo Long and Ronin I doubt there will be many people willing to give Nioh 3 a try.

>>718925367
So not even Nioh 1 is good now?

>>718922350
If their games are getting worse over time instead of better then you should be criticising them for that

>>718925367
nta but they are one of the last bastions for good vidya as a whole along side Fromsoft and a couple other based Nippon developers. aside that its all pure trash. pure globohomo propaganda or mass produced slop made by yellow faggots who could give less of shit about making actual ART.

>>718925491
It's super barebones and oddly balanced compared to 2. It's currently sitting at 'mostly positive' on Steam for those reasons,

>>718923620
It's comical how everything they make now is a poor Fromsoft imitation. Nioh would've probably been canned if not for Dark Souls coming out since they had no idea what to do with it for a decade.

>>718925609
>oddly balanced
you niggers truly are bots just inputing chat gpt text arent you?

I could never nail the timing for ki pulse. These games showed me I'm growing old and I don't like it

>>718925720
youre mentally retarded
it happens bro

>>718925609
It's mostly the same mechanics, with 2 adding a fuckton more on top of it. Nioh 2 giving you so many ways to keep pressure on enemies with Yokai abilities shows how powerful the player is in 2 compared to 1.

>>718925720
The timing is when the blue particles gather around your waist area. But you don't need to perfect pulse because any ki pulse will purify in Nioh 2, they casualized the game because of retards like you.

>>718922350
>>Team Ninja
>>last bastion of genuinely good action games
mmmmm yes that's why they had to outsource their flagship IP to fucking Platinum

>>718925491
Did you miss the past several years of people telling you to skip to 2?

>playin nioh 2
>penor demands attention
>I must Obey
>photo mode
>Nure-Onna
>Zoom in
>done
>back to playin
Yeah im a gamer

>>718925685
Only aesthetically. Gameplay wise fromsoft is in the gutter

>>718926017
Wait until you see Yasha.

Niohfags whole personality is to be contrarian towards Fromsoft Souls games

>>718926009
Yeah, they were wrong

>>718925693
>rapes you with sword of execution flowing shadow and iai loops your mom's pussy
cool game

>>718926081
>Niohfags whole personality is to be contrarian towards Fromsoft Souls games
Exactly. They constantly argue over which does the best combatslop.

>>718926081
I call it the Niohfags inferiority complex syndrome

>>718906670 (OP)
>ninja can't jump or swim

>>718926218
>best combatslop
Slop is such a cancer term

>>718925956
Seeing how Bayonetta has only gotten worse since 1 God help us

>>718926391
Welcome to modernity. Where everything is slop or core or some other gay slang term created by inner city niggers.

We've allowed the dumbest people imaginable dictate culture and language.

>>718926514
I'm just waiting for someone to start using gameplayslop unironically

>>718926391
>Slop is such a cancer term
I agree, but it's the perfect trending word to use when you want to piss someone off.

>>718926391
>>718926514
kek we use slop a lot in the big twitch chats

>>718926391
>Slop is such a cancer term
Sloppyslop.

>>718927020
Dark Slops: Slopper of the first Slop

>>718927058
>Dark Slops
Kek.

Why is everyone in here so mad
I liked the alpha...

>>718911701
A parry can be whatever you want it to be because these are videogames
Dark Souls 1 parry looks nothing like Sekiro parry
Both are schlop but I digress

>>718925956
Because they are more focussed on Nioh. No one cares about Ninja Gaiden these days.

>>718925562
But they aren't getting worse. Nioh 3 will be their best game yet.

>>718927291
Sounds like a porno title.

>>718906670 (OP)
>responce
RIP KingCobraJFS

>>718927351
Sales wise this is true. Maybe ng4 will surprise everyone. I hope so

>>718926391
I started calling cat food "slop" when I feed my cat, like here's your slop buddy, enjoy.

>>718922350
I remember when I bought into /v/'s schizo ramblings and genuinely thought Ronin would BTFO Tsushima and win 20 awards lmao

>>718927798
best dressup game in recent memory.

>>718925134
>coomer gatcha scams and unreal engine soulless slop
if you didn't mention chinks then we wouldn't be able to tell if you're talking about Japan, Korea or China

>>718911434
>Yeah dude let me just chilling out there and watch my buddy and this edgy kungfuman with hat on blocking and flipping around like bunch of retards
Honestly the graphic look nice but the game look bored as fuck, another parry/block fest. Also the boss OST sound so cringe and stupid

>>718927671
Lmao, foodsloppa

>>718906670 (OP)
Actual Nioh fan here since the very first alpha for 1. The alpha for 3 was excellent and no, I don't see this flopping.

>>718928958
>I don't see this flopping
TN stans said the same about WL and Ronin, and yet here we are

>>718929913
Neither one of those were flops. Try harder.

>>718929913
>Ronin
Surprisingly was not a flop

>>718907806
>50% of the weapons are locked to Ninja Style
Is this fully confirmed? A bunch of weapon movesets from the first two games will just be completely gone?

>>718930449
yeah like dual swords is ninja only now so it's just one stance

>>718930449
We don't know
Weapons like 2kat still have their nioh 1 and 2 forms, so do fists but for something like Kusarigama/Tonfa/splitstaff it's up in the air if there's a samurai version
I think enough people have bitched about the locking of weapons behind each form that they'll listen but who knows with nips

>>718930449
Yes, read the interview, it is here to stay.

>>718911434
This looks like shit though, why is it so slow and janky

>>718911928
>using a pvp clip as an example

>>718913774
Is the webm from Nioh 3? Looks great, very nice animations

what's the consensus on rise of the ronin? i've played a few hours and i like it but the combat is less engaging than nioh.

>>718932462
It's fine. I enjoyed it despite it being open world. Combat doesn't really change much from start to finish, you just get more martial arts to mix into your strings. It's simplistic but honestly pretty fun

>>718932462
middling shovelware trash
notice how the game released like a wetfart and had no traction whatsoever
game was doomed from the start, the pc optimization is putrid shit (on top of looking like shit already)

>>718932656
well I liked it. its a really fun game.

>>718932920
The oxtail blade is crazy

>>718906748
Let Amerisheiße enjoy their made up buzzwords you cunt

>>718911928
Skill issue, go fuck yourself shiter

>>718919349
Mutt hooves typed this

>>718934080
The anime reaction pic was a dead giveaway

>>718910956
Unless they release within the same launch window, I don't think they'll be competing much. It's all the same audience, people will just buy both. I know that I'm getting both, that's for sure, but I'm not some tribalistic retard that limits myself to one game only.

>>718932214
no, this is from rise of the ronin

>>718924612
Biggest flaw off the game imo. The late game very rarely has anything between "easy if you pay attention" and "rage inducing cheese difficulty"
For me it was two in the shadow. There is no runback, no penalty for multiple tries, and yet the bosses were so fucking retarded with their agro spam that trying to fight them without cheese felt impossible. Sometimes i came close with a couple parries in a row on hanzo, but it was just not enough. Daiba waishi faggot

Didn't play the demo, is the fashion game any better?

>>718914109
>Kusarigama and Splistaff
>Ninja only
Fuck Team Ninja
Fuck Nioh 3
And fuck you too

>>718913018
A collab would work. It would sell gangbusters if they put Jack's Garland armor in.

>>718927351
>more focussed on Nioh
Lmao their president literally said he's done with Nioh, part 3 was given to a new zoomer director as an acceptable failure.

>>718914109
this is literally how nioh 1 and 2 works?! if you spec one and two weapons THEN YOU CANT USE THE MOVES OF OTHER WEAPONS are you guys fucking retarded??

>>718914109
Is this from a new interview? Either way, it just confirms what we already know. Most weapons that "make sense" in both modes will have a weapon for each style, while others like kusarigama will be ninja only. I'm actually okay with this though, they already said that they're giving more martial art inputs to ninja weapons so I think their movesets will be good.

>>718939137
For ninja they could just port ninja gaiden kusa moveset, do some light balancing and call it a day

>>718939620
I would be more than okay with Nioh 3 kusarigama taking some NG kusarigama actions since that's my favorite weapon in both 2 and 3RE.

>>718924061
>be meta gaming faggot
>look up guide on how to break game before even playing it
>OMG WTF THIS IS 2EAZY LUUULLZZZ
I hate this board. Fuck off.

>>718924061
Nioh 2 was never intended to be le epik hardcore difficult game. And yeah obviously it's going to be easy as fuck if you use all the tricks like Sloth, exploitable move spam, ippon datara etc.
Try to play a thematic build instead, it's way more fun.

>>718939725
I'd love claws that feel as powerful as they do in 2/RE.

>>718938813
I hope you are pretending

>>718940191
Another one of my favorite NG weapons. Claws in Nioh 2 did get that one NG move "white tiger fangs" or whatever it was called. The one where you do those moving slashes with blue afterimages. I could definitely see Nioh 3 talons taking more stuff from NG.